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Jim K
Oct 22, 2013, 8:41:21 AM10/22/13
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been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to let light in to internal corridor).
Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
Glass area will be about 29 inches wide by 18 inches tall...
To retain it I was thinking 2 "frames" of quadrant bead nailed on to the newly formed opening, and glass in between with putty/glazing tape?
Constructive comments welcome as always
TIA
Jim K
Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
Glass area will be about 29 inches wide by 18 inches tall...
To retain it I was thinking 2 "frames" of quadrant bead nailed on to the newly formed opening, and glass in between with putty/glazing tape?
Constructive comments welcome as always
TIA
Jim K
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Oct 22, 2013, 10:05:42 AM10/22/13
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Jim K wrote:
> been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to let light in to internal corridor).
> Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
There are Regs for internal and partitiion glazing.
> been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to let light in to internal corridor).
> Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
I'd consider using a pane on the outside and inside of the room, so they appear more similar, avoids a dust-gathering shelf on the side without a pane, and improves sound insulation between the room and the passage.
Owain
Phil L
Oct 22, 2013, 2:55:23 PM10/22/13
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Jim K wrote:
> been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to
> let light in to internal corridor).
>
> Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be
> put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
>
> Glass area will be about 29 inches wide by 18 inches tall...
>
> To retain it I was thinking 2 "frames" of quadrant bead nailed on to
> the newly formed opening, and glass in between with putty/glazing
> tape?
It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as minimum
> been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to
> let light in to internal corridor).
>
> Stud wall so seems plain sailing - only - how thick glass should be
> put in? apparently there are no regs so "anything" is ok - 4mm?
>
> Glass area will be about 29 inches wide by 18 inches tall...
>
> To retain it I was thinking 2 "frames" of quadrant bead nailed on to
> the newly formed opening, and glass in between with putty/glazing
> tape?
as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a door (or even
within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that said, the house I'm in
now has all fanlights above upstairs internal doors and they've been in 70
years, as all other houses aqround here.
I don't think I've ever seen one of them broken, but again, I'm not sure of
the glass thickness.
I'd go with 6mm to be on the safe side, but laminated is preferred as it
could break when slammed, and being above head height, well, you can work
the rest out for yourself
Hugo Nebula
Oct 22, 2013, 3:45:35 PM10/22/13
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chimpanzee, Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>, randomly hit the keyboard and
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>been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to let light in to internal corridor).
If a flat, is the door a lobby to the stair, without a separate lobby
between the stairs and the flat entrance? If a flat is it above the
first floor, or is the travel distance to the front door more than 9m?
If the answer to any of the above is yes, then the glazing and frame
may need to be fire resisting.
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chimpanzee, Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>, randomly hit the keyboard and
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>been asked to help out with a new fanlight (window above a door to let light in to internal corridor).
>Constructive comments welcome as always
Is it a house or a flat? If a house, are there more than two storeys?
If a flat, is the door a lobby to the stair, without a separate lobby
between the stairs and the flat entrance? If a flat is it above the
first floor, or is the travel distance to the front door more than 9m?
If the answer to any of the above is yes, then the glazing and frame
may need to be fire resisting.
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Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have I strayed"?
Jim K
Oct 22, 2013, 4:54:43 PM10/22/13
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Hi Hugo,
2 storey house.
Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
TIA
Jim K
2 storey house.
Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
TIA
Jim K
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Oct 22, 2013, 5:09:57 PM10/22/13
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Jim K wrote:
> Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
Part N in England and Wales
> Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulations/approveddocuments/partn/
Owain
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Andy Burns
Oct 23, 2013, 1:48:17 AM10/23/13
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Jim K wrote:
> You'd think there would be regs if it was that likely....
Any chance of quoting some context in your posts?
> You'd think there would be regs if it was that likely....
Any chance of quoting some context in your posts?
Jim K
Oct 23, 2013, 2:03:29 AM10/23/13
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Good ole mobile google;-)
Jim K
Jim K
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 23, 2013, 4:59:34 AM10/23/13
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In article <bSz9u.21899$eW3....@fx14.am4>,
fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old by
the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others in the
street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken, despite many
years of the door being slammed.
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Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as
> minimum as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a
> door (or even within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that
> said, the house I'm in now has all fanlights above upstairs internal
> doors and they've been in 70 years, as all other houses aqround here. I
> don't think I've ever seen one of them broken, but again, I'm not sure
> of the glass thickness. I'd go with 6mm to be on the safe side, but
> laminated is preferred as it could break when slammed, and being above
> head height, well, you can work the rest out for yourself
I can see the need for 'special' glass where it can be bashed - but a
> It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as
> minimum as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a
> door (or even within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that
> said, the house I'm in now has all fanlights above upstairs internal
> doors and they've been in 70 years, as all other houses aqround here. I
> don't think I've ever seen one of them broken, but again, I'm not sure
> of the glass thickness. I'd go with 6mm to be on the safe side, but
> laminated is preferred as it could break when slammed, and being above
> head height, well, you can work the rest out for yourself
fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old by
the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others in the
street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken, despite many
years of the door being slammed.
--
*Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool*
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 23, 2013, 5:01:49 AM10/23/13
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In article <e84584f1-d4ec-44fa...@googlegroups.com>,
I'd use as thick glass as possible to reduce noise.
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Jim K
Oct 23, 2013, 5:09:17 AM10/23/13
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and no mention of fanlights or domestic "over door" glass.
Phil L
>It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as minimum
>as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a door (or even
>within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that said
Where's that stated?
>as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a door (or even
>within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that said
You'd think there would be regs if it was that likely to happen....
Hence the post...
Jim K
charles
Oct 23, 2013, 5:21:44 AM10/23/13
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In article <539f0da...@davenoise.co.uk>,
gained by smashing the fanlight over the front door. Perhaps toughened or
laminated glasss would have made access more difficult?
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <bSz9u.21899$eW3....@fx14.am4>,
> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as
> > minimum as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a
> > door (or even within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that
> > said, the house I'm in now has all fanlights above upstairs internal
> > doors and they've been in 70 years, as all other houses aqround here. I
> > don't think I've ever seen one of them broken, but again, I'm not sure
> > of the glass thickness. I'd go with 6mm to be on the safe side, but
> > laminated is preferred as it could break when slammed, and being above
> > head height, well, you can work the rest out for yourself
> I can see the need for 'special' glass where it can be bashed - but a
> fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old by
> the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others in the
> street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken, despite many
> years of the door being slammed.
son of a friend of mine suffered a burglary when access to the flat was
> In article <bSz9u.21899$eW3....@fx14.am4>,
> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It should be laminated in a fanlight, or failaing that, toughened as
> > minimum as should any glass in a door, or in any frame connected to a
> > door (or even within 300mm of it as pointed out last week) but that
> > said, the house I'm in now has all fanlights above upstairs internal
> > doors and they've been in 70 years, as all other houses aqround here. I
> > don't think I've ever seen one of them broken, but again, I'm not sure
> > of the glass thickness. I'd go with 6mm to be on the safe side, but
> > laminated is preferred as it could break when slammed, and being above
> > head height, well, you can work the rest out for yourself
> I can see the need for 'special' glass where it can be bashed - but a
> fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old by
> the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others in the
> street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken, despite many
> years of the door being slammed.
gained by smashing the fanlight over the front door. Perhaps toughened or
laminated glasss would have made access more difficult?
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Jim K
Oct 23, 2013, 5:33:12 AM10/23/13
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Jim K
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 23, 2013, 6:26:56 AM10/23/13
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In article <539f0fad...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
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charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I can see the need for 'special' glass where it can be bashed - but a
> > fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old
> > by the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others
> > in the street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken,
> > despite many years of the door being slammed.
> son of a friend of mine suffered a burglary when access to the flat was
> gained by smashing the fanlight over the front door. Perhaps toughened
> or laminated glasss would have made access more difficult?
Might well have done. Not that they seem to stop cars being broken into.
> > I can see the need for 'special' glass where it can be bashed - but a
> > fanlight? There's one above my front door which I'd guess is very old
> > by the house number painted on it (which looks the same as some others
> > in the street) so may even be Victorian, and that hasn't broken,
> > despite many years of the door being slammed.
> son of a friend of mine suffered a burglary when access to the flat was
> gained by smashing the fanlight over the front door. Perhaps toughened
> or laminated glasss would have made access more difficult?
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alan
Oct 23, 2013, 7:01:51 PM10/23/13
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I have patterned acrylic sheet above two internal doors to let light
into a stair well. I used the quadrant bead both sides to fix - no putty.
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Hugo Nebula
Oct 25, 2013, 2:40:21 PM10/25/13
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[Default] On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT), a certain
(fan lights are clearly above this height).
>2 storey house.
>
>Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
Not for glass more than 1500mm above the floor in doors or side panels
>
>Are there any requirements for glass thickness or toughened/laminated as some posters seem to think?
(fan lights are clearly above this height).
Hugo Nebula
Oct 25, 2013, 2:46:17 PM10/25/13
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[Default] On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT), a certain
chimpanzee, spuorg...@gowanhill.com, randomly hit the keyboard and
wrote:
Part N has been subsumed into a revised Part K (IIRC, earlier this
year or maybe even last year [as an old geezer, time, and the entropy
of my back, are accelerating at an inverse relationship to my memory
storage capacity]). Virtually the same guidance, though.
chimpanzee, spuorg...@gowanhill.com, randomly hit the keyboard and
wrote:
year or maybe even last year [as an old geezer, time, and the entropy
of my back, are accelerating at an inverse relationship to my memory
storage capacity]). Virtually the same guidance, though.
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