Wood burning stove - anyone any experience of Country Kiln?

[David WE Roberts]

http://www.woodburningstoveslimited.com/index.php?action=cms.details&itemid=219

The Country Kiln cast iron stove at £299 + £35 delivery seems amazingly
cheap for an 8kW stove.

A 2 door 8kW Stovax Stockton (which we know to be a good brand) is around
£800 including delivery which is a lot more.

However saving over £450 is not worthwhile if the product is crap.

So does anyone have any experience of Country Kiln stoves?

Cheers

Dave R

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[The Natural Philosopher]

David WE Roberts wrote:
> http://www.woodburningstoveslimited.com/index.php?action=cms.details&itemid=219
>
>
> The Country Kiln cast iron stove at £299 + £35 delivery seems amazingly
> cheap for an 8kW stove.
>
> A 2 door 8kW Stovax Stockton (which we know to be a good brand) is
> around £800 including delivery which is a lot more.
>
> However saving over £450 is not worthwhile if the product is crap.
>
> So does anyone have any experience of Country Kiln stoves?
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
>

The expensive part of a woodburner is installing a suitable flue.

Thats this year.

Next year it will be finding the wood.

[Davey]

Yep. Quotes for installing the required flue and parts for our thatched
house varied from £1100 to £4000, and that was without the stove. The
flue is still legal for an open fire, however.
Ouch!
Instead, we now have a Chimney Balloon up there, which provides no
heat, but stops the cold air coming down. It also quietens the noise of
the doves sitting on top.
--
Davey.

[David WE Roberts]

"Davey" <da...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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..errrr....O.K. - assume that I have some idea of the cost of installing a
flue, and also that the cost will be roughly the same which ever stove I
buy.

Do you have any experience of Country Kiln stoves?

[Leaky]

On Feb 8, 6:52 pm, "David WE Roberts" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Davey" <da...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:39:57 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>
>
>
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> > David WE Roberts wrote:

> > >http://www.woodburningstoveslimited.com/index.php?action=cms.details&...

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Hi, a friend of mine has had one for a couple of years now, fantastic
and no problems.

I am ordering one from them soon(ish).

For £4000 you can have a chimney built!!

Kevin

[David WE Roberts]

"Leaky" <in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks - good to know someone has had a good experience with them.
They do seem amazingly cheap and there also seems to be a sale on.
Will talk to them tomorrow.

We will be having a stainless steel flue up through the roof - concealed
where it passes through the upstairs bathroom - and hopefully costing nearer
to £1,000.
Takes up less space than a chimney and is more flexible with the routing
between floors.
This work we are planning will remove the remains of our chimney along with
lots more internal walls and stuff.

Cheers

Dave R

[The Natural Philosopher]

There is not a lot TO a wood burning stove really.

I've never found one that was UNfit for purpose.

If you like the style, go for it.

[Jim K]

seems odd they claim to manufacture? and so many different models ?
ask to see the foundry? which from google maps doesn;t exist at the
address given...

also they say you don;t need to line a non leaking flue, but fail to
discuss the merits of lining, whilst selling lining kits......

road trip?

Jim K

[Howard Neil]

I think we may have the sellers of this stove and maybe a competitor
posting. In other words this thread may be an advertising campaign.
Anybody thinking of buying one would be well advised to visit the
company first as well as making a call to the local Trading Standards to
see what they know.



--
Howard Neil

[Jim K]

Precisely why I had a look myself to see what all the fratching was
about.

> Anybody thinking of buying one would be well advised to visit the
> company first as well as making a call to the local Trading Standards to
> see what they know.

ISTR TS will not tell you anything for fear of being prosecuted by
allegedly shady operators?

Jim K

[Howard Neil]

But they would be able to tell you if they have no complaints made about
the company. Declining information would indicate that complaints have
been made. I suppose, though, that it all depends on who you speak to
and whether to their face or over the phone.

I have always found them most helpful but that may be because of my
former occupation.

Just remember what the CE mark really stands for: Caveat emptor. ;-)

--
Howard Neil

[Jim K]

or just one?

> I have always found them most helpful but that may be because of my
> former occupation.

spooky....

Jim K

[mogga]

I'd assume there's no rules about what can be used ...
Unless the people who make them from old gas bottle things and sell
them on ebay comply with regs (I should probably go and read a listing
to see what it says...)

Am too easily distracted by how to make one though
http://www.ludlowsurvivors.com/stove.html

:)
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

[David WE Roberts]

"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2012-02-09, Only me 2 <Only.me....@diybanter.com> wrote:
>>
>> 'David WE Roberts[_4_ Wrote:
>>> ;2800771']'WOOD BURNING STOVES COUNTRY KILN 6 SOLID FUEL & WOODBURNER'

>
>>> So does anyone have any experience of Country Kiln stoves?
>

>> AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!!
>>
>> THE STOVES ARE CHEAP & NASTY CHINESE IMPORTS WHICH ARE LOW QUALITY!
>
> Did they break your shift key, too?


Posting in all capitals via DIY Banter doesn't add any credibility to this
rather strange tale.

However this is unlikely to be a competitor for my rather shabby favours
because the other firms I deal with are both long established and reputable
(as far as I can tell).
So probably this is just some sad person local to the supplier with a
grudge.

[Howard Neil]

On 09/02/2012 11:04, David WE Roberts wrote:

> However this is unlikely to be a competitor for my rather shabby favours
> because the other firms I deal with are both long established and
> reputable (as far as I can tell).

So, it seems, after all, you are the seller pretending to be a potential
customer.


--
Howard Neil

[David WE Roberts]

"Howard Neil" <inv...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message
news:M5idnakXdPzbC67S...@brightview.co.uk...

> On 09/02/2012 09:37, Jim K wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 10:30 pm, "David WE Roberts"<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> "Leaky"<in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message

<snip>

>
> I think we may have the sellers of this stove and maybe a competitor
> posting. In other words this thread may be an advertising campaign.
> Anybody thinking of buying one would be well advised to visit the company
> first as well as making a call to the local Trading Standards to see what
> they know.

I asume you mean 'Leaky' when referring to the possible seller.
Could you tell me how you reached that conclusion?

Thanks

Dave R

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:02:47 +0000, Howard Neil wrote:

> Just remember what the CE mark really stands for: Caveat emptor. ;-)

He he sits quite nicely with the other definition over in the dodgey
plug thread: "China Export"

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Howard Neil]

On 09/02/2012 11:08, David WE Roberts wrote:
>
> "Howard Neil" <inv...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:M5idnakXdPzbC67S...@brightview.co.uk...
>> On 09/02/2012 09:37, Jim K wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 10:30 pm, "David WE Roberts"<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> "Leaky"<in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message
> <snip>
>>
>> I think we may have the sellers of this stove and maybe a competitor
>> posting. In other words this thread may be an advertising campaign.
>> Anybody thinking of buying one would be well advised to visit the
>> company first as well as making a call to the local Trading Standards
>> to see what they know.
>
> I asume you mean 'Leaky' when referring to the possible seller.
> Could you tell me how you reached that conclusion?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave R

The language used and the way the postings have run. I have seen it
before, frequently. Start a thread pretending to ask for advice and
later have a posting made pretending to be from a very satisfied customer.

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Howard Neil

[David WE Roberts]

"Howard Neil" <inv...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

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Ah - now I understand the misunderstanding.
I think.

If you check back, I have been posting to this NG for many years (decades?)
and have shown no inclination to advertise or sell cast iron stoves from
somewhere in Scotland.

From my discussion and pictures of the construction of the Mother of All
Sheds it is also probably evident that I am not located in Scotland.

And yes I am (as recent posts) having the back of my house remodelled.

So quite how you conclude that I am a stove retailer in disguise is beyond
me.
More research required, perhaps?

The other firms I deal with for solid fuel stoves are:
(1) A stove place up the A12 past Yoxford whose name I keep forgetting but
we bought a Tortoise style iron box on its side log burner ages ago for our
previous house.
(2) Fires Online, from whom we bought a Stovax Stockton 4 some years ago for
our property in Thatcham. This was (and still is) a very good stove but is
too small for the new room. I have discussed installing it in the MOALS in
the past in this NG.

We were going to order a larger Stovax Stockton but I came across another
online firm which was advertising amazingly cheap stoves.
Possibly too cheap, as nearly everything seemed to be either £250 or £299
regardless of size or shape.

Which was why I posted a question here as AFAIK there are quite a few
members of this NG with solid fuel appliances.

The cost of stoves has gone up a lot since I last bought one.
In December 2006 our Stockton 4 multifuel cost £410 including VAT and
delivery.
Prices are now around the £600 mark.
I presume this is due to the escalating price of iron and steel.

Cheers

Dave R

[Tim Downie]

"Howard Neil" <inv...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

news:DIidnTu-2_kRMK7S...@brightview.co.uk...

To be fair, that happens quite a lot with legitimate queries and replies so
I don't think you can pin too much on it.

Tim

[Howard Neil]

It is enough to be suspicious and to tread carefully.

--
Howard Neil

[Tim Downie]

From a new poster to the group maybe. Not when it's by a newsgroup regular.

Tim

[Howard Neil]

Good point. My apologies to David. However, Leaky does not seem to have
a track record in this newsgroup.

--
Howard Neil

[Leaky]

On Feb 9, 11:08 am, "David WE Roberts" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

Just to put things straight, I am not the seller, I am from
Halifax,its the house without the chimney...which is a whole new
topic!!

Kevin

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yeah..

Frankly the cost of the stove itself is the least part of the total cost
of stove installation.

I am fully prepared to accept that those stoves are cast in Indian or
chinese foundries and are not that great BUT so what?

As long as they don't crack in use, they are, after all, just pots to
burn wood in. The much more important thing is to have a well installed
and firesafe flue, proper ventilation, and fireproof material
surrounding the hearth - and a proper hearth to meet all the very sane
regulations surrounding solid fuel heating.

The if the cheap stove cracks - well get yer money back and install
another one.

[Onetap]

Are there any regulations? There are some pretty fancy looking amended
gas bottles on Youtube and E-bay.
Country Kiln aren't listed in the Hetas guide, but then only 3
manufacturers of stoves are; I'm not sure what that tells you.
Most of the wood-stoves I've seen are mock-Victorian cast iron jobs,
which I find deeply strange. The Victorians used grey cast iron
because it was cheapest for them and they had thousands of foundries
doing sand casting and belching black smoke. It is not much used now
because it is as brittle glass and there is better stuff available for
those who know what they're buying; ductile cast iron (requires a half-
modern foundry) and welded steel. Most of these things seem to be sand-
cast iron from some Chinese or Indian foundry.

This is DIY; gas bottle, angle-grinder, arc welder.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Agreed. My Villager stove seems part cast and part steel welded.

For sure I have had cast iron firebacks crack on me.

But again, its always been conventional to line stoves with firebricks -
at least the ones I have seen do that.

[David WE Roberts]

"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:jh0gna$oh2$1...@news.albasani.net...

> Leaky wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 11:08 am, "David WE Roberts" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:M5idnakXdPzbC67S...@brightview.co.uk...
>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2012 09:37, Jim K wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 10:30 pm, "David WE Roberts"<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Leaky"<in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I think we may have the sellers of this stove and maybe a competitor
>>>> posting. In other words this thread may be an advertising campaign.
>>>> Anybody thinking of buying one would be well advised to visit the
>>>> company
>>>> first as well as making a call to the local Trading Standards to see
>>>> what
>>>> they know.
>>> I asume you mean 'Leaky' when referring to the possible seller.
>>> Could you tell me how you reached that conclusion?

>> Just to put things straight, I am not the seller, I am from
>> Halifax,its the house without the chimney...which is a whole new
>> topic!!
>>
>> Kevin
> Yeah..
>
> Frankly the cost of the stove itself is the least part of the total cost
> of stove installation.
>
> I am fully prepared to accept that those stoves are cast in Indian or
> chinese foundries and are not that great BUT so what?
>
> As long as they don't crack in use, they are, after all, just pots to burn
> wood in. The much more important thing is to have a well installed and
> firesafe flue, proper ventilation, and fireproof material surrounding the
> hearth - and a proper hearth to meet all the very sane regulations
> surrounding solid fuel heating.
>
> The if the cheap stove cracks - well get yer money back and install
> another one.

This is another thing that makes the all caps rant from diybanter less than
credible.
Whatever the stove, I find it very hard to believe that you get no heat from
it unless you have the door open.
Does not compute.

The main things about a stove are long term structural integrity - probably
better with a good stove made from steel plate - burning efficiency and
airwash efficiency to keep the glass clean.
A good slow burn ability to stay in overnight is also good.
Leaking around the joints into the room is bad.

One good thing - we may be getting all our statues, war memorials and drain
covers back ;-)

Next time I see Chas I'll ask him how he likes the stove.

Cheers

[David WE Roberts]

"Howard Neil" <inv...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

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Thanks Howard - accepted :-)

I had a look at Leaky's email domain (which may be completely false) which
has possible associations with the Glasgow area.
However I would expect to find users of these stoves to be around that area
because they would be fairly local.
I note he has come back and affirmed he is not a sock puppet for the
company.

The main warning bells are the cheapness.

[Jim K]

On Feb 9, 1:29 pm, "David WE Roberts" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

>
> news:sLidnWfs-oyfJa7S...@brightview.co.uk...
>
>
>
> > On 09/02/2012 11:57, Tim Downie wrote:
> >> Howard Neil wrote:
> >>> On 09/02/2012 11:29, Tim Downie wrote:
>

> >>>> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

> >>>>news:DIidnTu-2_kRMK7S...@brightview.co.uk...
> >>>>> On 09/02/2012 11:08, David WE Roberts wrote:
>

> >>>>>> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

well that's "all ok" then
- although you seem to overlook that "he" simultaneously claims to be
from Halifax....which is er... nowhere near Scotland..

Jim K

[Leaky]

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Stainland near Halifax to be more precise. I admit I have not posted
for a while but am a daily watcher of the group,mainly plumbing and
electrical, The domain came from 123 reg had it for 7 years now.

Kevin

[Tim Downie]

David WE Roberts wrote:
> This is another thing that makes the all caps rant from diybanter
> less than credible.
> Whatever the stove, I find it very hard to believe that you get no
> heat from it unless you have the door open.
> Does not compute.

Also, the diybanter ranter has only ever posted once on diybanter (using
that ID). Now either he's a diybanter regular reader who never normally
posts, OR, more likely, he has a google alert set up to notify him if the
url http://www.woodburningstoveslimited.com/ ever comes up in a discussion
group for the purposes of rubbishing a competitor. (I've just tested it and
it does work).

I doubt he'll ever come up with any corroborating information.

Tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

Leaky wrote:

>
> Stainland near Halifax to be more precise. I admit I have not posted
> for a while but am a daily watcher of the group,mainly plumbing and
> electrical, The domain came from 123 reg had it for 7 years now.
>
> Kevin

The only reliable ish info says that you are on Opalnet DSL..

[David WE Roberts]

"Tim Downie" <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jh0l5d$gop$1...@dont-email.me...

I forwarded his rant to the email contact at the web site so they know (if
they didn't already) that they have a cyberstalker.

Yeah - be nice to see some photographs, a police incident number,
correspondence with Trading Standards and HETAS (I assume both apply in
Scotland) and any other supporting information, including a copy of the
invoice for the stove and the installation.

I won't be holding my breath.

[David WE Roberts]

"Leaky" <in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message

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*Stainland near Halifax to be more precise. I admit I have not posted
*for a while but am a daily watcher of the group,mainly plumbing and
*electrical, The domain came from 123 reg had it for 7 years now.

*Kevin

Hello Kevin Scrimshaw :-)
[Of no disclosed address according to Whois.]
Must look up my domains and see which (if any) address they show in Whois.
{Looks up....yes, I also show as a non trading individual of no declared
address.}
Why no website?
Not that my place holders are anything special ;-)

Back to the original subject:

Which model does your friend have and how often does he use it?

Which model are you going to order?

The price is still tempting me but I am a little concerned over the long
term reliability.
As TNP says if it fails quite soon you can ask for your money back, but
there will be hassle involved in trying to prove that the fault is in the
manufacture and not cause by improper installation or use, and also the pain
of being without the stove - especially if it is during the winter when you
want to be using it.
Then you have the cost of installing the new stove - the dimensions are
almost sure to be slightly different.
So I am tending towards a more expensive welded steel stove where I know the
manufacturer and model.
£500 is a significant price difference, but £50 a year over 10 years is
probably worth paying for general peace of mind.
If I was buying a few stoves to kit out a larger space/several rooms I would
be much more tempted

Cheers

Dave R

[David WE Roberts]

"Leaky" <in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message

news:0da6fe9a-7b84-4979...@i2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 6:52 pm, "David WE Roberts" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
<snip>

*Hi, a friend of mine has had one for a couple of years now, fantastic
*and no problems.

*I am ordering one from them soon(ish).

*For £4000 you can have a chimney built!!

*Kevin

Kevin, this may be getting a bit wierd, but I had a quick nosy Google (just
wondering how much information there is out there) and have found a Facebook
account for someone of your name, who went to Anglia Rushkin Universtiy.

Now this is probably not you, but if it is I think we have an aquaintance in
common.

Am I about to hit the six degrees of separation?

[Leaky]

Hi Dave, I think it is COUNTRY KILN 5 WOOD BURNING STOVES AND MULTI
FUEL STOVES £299.00

Its only smallish but it was chuffing heavy!! We do live in the
pennines and he has about 50 steps up to his front door.

The biggest prob he has is trying to keep it going on a slowish burn
all day long, too much air and its like a jet engine and too little
and it goes out. I think he solved it by putting a few bit of coal
around the log. He does use it every weekend and a few days in the
week and does overnight burns with it too.

I am looking at a bigger one but am still in the "do I build a chimney
or Selkirk pipe" I would ideally like to have it not encroaching into
the room but as always money will be the deciding factor and
obviousley we will have to decorate and have new carpet and sofas
apparently.

I am really only going by his experience and have some cash from Xmas
left so Iwas going to buy one and do the hard bit later.

I am on facebook but went to Heath Grammar school which I wasted.

Regards
Kevin

I will get him to either send me a pic to put up or ask him to post it
himself, he is a watcher too :-)

[David WE Roberts]

"Leaky" <in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message

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**************************

Thanks - very useful.

The Facebook page was not you then - it would have been beyond wierd if we
knew the same people :-)

[gri...@gmail.com]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:23:04 -0000, "David WE Roberts"
<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Whatever the stove, I find it very hard to believe that you get no heat from
>it unless you have the door open.

I've got one of them - utter crap, it is.

[David WE Roberts]

<gri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Which model?

[gri...@gmail.com]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:31:35 -0000, "David WE Roberts"

<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>>>Whatever the stove, I find it very hard to believe that you get no heat
>>>from
>>>it unless you have the door open.
>>
>> I've got one of them - utter crap, it is.
>
>Which model?

Not one of the Country Kiln or whatever, but one that exhibits the
behaviour complained about. There's a grudging heat thrown out, but
more than four feet from it, you'd never know it was on. Otoh, it does
heat the back boiler quite well and even runs three smallish rads and
the hot cyl to a tolerable degree.
Tis the kind of stove that, even though it's likely forty years old,
is perfectly suited to a modern well-insulated house. I bet the
designers never knew they were being so prescient.

[Jim K]

ah the old "built in boiler sucking all the heat out" problem unless
you stoke it to F... all day/night....

would be stovees would do well to take note...

Jim K

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:18:08 -0800 (PST), Jim K wrote:

>> There's a grudging heat thrown out, but more than four feet from
it,
>> you'd never know it was on.

Stoves don't heat by radiation very much it's mostly convection.

> ah the old "built in boiler sucking all the heat out" problem unless
> you stoke it to F... all day/night....
>
> would be stovees would do well to take note...

Deliberate choice with our stove (Stovax Stockton 11) a normal sized
living room doesn't need more than a few of kW to keep it warm so we
choose a stove with 3kW to room and 7kW to water. Seems to give about
the right amount of heat to the room and a goodly amount to the
thermal store for CH and DHW.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Jim K]

On Feb 10, 2:15 pm, "Dave Liquorice"

at least that's something to offset against the OTT cost of your flue
I spose ;>)

Jim K

[CountryKiln]

On Feb 9, 11:57 am, "Tim Downie" <timdownie2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Howard Neil wrote:
> > On 09/02/2012 11:29, Tim Downie wrote:
>

> >> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

> >>news:DIidnTu-2_kRMK7S...@brightview.co.uk...
> >>> On 09/02/2012 11:08, David WE Roberts wrote:
>

> >>>> "Howard Neil" <inva...@invalid.co.uk> wrote in message

> >>>>news:M5idnakXdPzbC67S...@brightview.co.uk...
> >>>>> On 09/02/2012 09:37, Jim K wrote:
> >>>>>> On Feb 8, 10:30 pm, "David WE Roberts"<nos...@btinternet.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Leaky"<in...@thescrimshaws.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>> <snip>
>
> >>>>> I think we may have the sellers of this stove and maybe a
> >>>>> competitor posting. In other words this thread may be an
> >>>>> advertising campaign. Anybody thinking of buying one would be
> >>>>> well advised to visit the company first as well as making a call
> >>>>> to the local Trading Standards to see what they know.
>
> >>>> I asume you mean 'Leaky' when referring to the possible seller.
> >>>> Could you tell me how you reached that conclusion?
>
> >>>> Thanks
>
> >>>> Dave R
>
> >>> The language used and the way the postings have run. I have seen it
> >>> before, frequently. Start a thread pretending to ask for advice and
> >>> later have a posting made pretending to be from a very satisfied
> >>> customer.
>
> >> To be fair, that happens quite a lot with legitimate queries and
> >> replies so I don't think you can pin too much on it.
>
> >> Tim
>
> > It is enough to be suspicious and to tread carefully.
>
> From a new poster to the group maybe.  Not when it's by a newsgroup regular.
>

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You ask why the Country Kiln 6 is £299 and find this suspicious. I am
Sue, a design engineer with Country Kiln and very political. A few
years back, when the recession hit, I was hearing a lot of pain coming
over the phone. Men not working, installers, sweeps, couriers. So my
solution to that, being as I am responsible for keeping people in
employment in the UK, because I had the capability and foresight and
didn`t like the suffering I was hearing was, to drop the price to rock
bottom, not for profit in my business but so all the businesses linked
with mine, the couriers, sweeps, installers get a spin off, keep
working in the bad season, the season where everyone has overspent.
It`s a model I like poltically and economically. So yes the stove is
at rock bottom, but it isn`t suspicious. It`s because there are people
kept employed in the background, off the back of these "advertised
deals".

Others in thisw forum seem to think one of our customers is writing on
our behalf which isn`t the case. It is someone real and happy with
their stove.

An author of a defamatory and totally illegal and outrageous email
writes regarding the installation of his stove "They cut a hole" "they
did this and they did that" as if we, at Country Kiln go out and
install which we don`t, we have lists of installers nationwide who
work self employed. We pass installers numbers on and customers are
aware even from the website these guys are self employed. We give ball
park quotes which the installers then meet. We don`t become involved
in financial transactions between fitters and stove customers. Shops
who do take £1000 on top of the fitters wage for the introduction.

Our only involvement was to sell this man a stove and give him 3 phone
numbers to local installers to see which one wanted the work.

This bloke also lays into me for my appearance. I don`t actually
possess a pair of jogging bottoms, nor have I actually been working
for the past 4 months for health reasons so I would suggest I should
be able to pop in and out the office which is next to my home dressed
casually if I so choose. However, we are based on a working farm and I
am an engineer expected to get dirty at any given point in time so,
for me, business suits are out.

What the writer of the email describes as a wooden shed at the back of
our house is a large architect designed chalet which we use for admin
as part of our multi national operation. We have one pot hole in our
driveway. Well we are on a working farm. Do you know that members of
the public come here and behave so badly, driving over our lawn etc we
have actually had to build a dry stone wall round our lawn as a
traffic guide. Now they concentrate on crashing into the patio
arrangement at the front of the chalet.

We have known all our nationwide installers on our books for numerous
years and can not imagine why any one of them would risk their
livelihood. We find from Wick to Kent they are a bunch of hard working
men.

Yes the Royals have bought stoves from us, or we would not claim they
had. Princess Anne bought two, Charles has one and I think Andrew has
one also.

This is the first time I have posted on this forum. I see people here
struggling with various aspects of installation which are easy for me
to answer as an engineer so if anyone wishes quick answers to
questions which are second nature to me drop me a line on
sa...@woodburningstoveslimited.com where I shall glady help, most
certainly not be dressed to the nines and possibly be covered in soot
as I type.

[Clive George]

On 10/02/2012 19:55, CountryKiln wrote:

> This is the first time I have posted on this forum.

Looks like the third time so far :-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

CountryKiln wrote:

> This is the first time I have posted on this forum.

I make it the fifth actually

[Jim K]

On Feb 10, 8:25 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> CountryKiln wrote:
> > This is the first time I have posted on this forum.
>
> I make it the fifth actually

more fuel to the fire? ;>)

Jim K

[Jim K]

On Feb 10, 7:55 pm, CountryKiln <tamba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip pointless frosty riposte>

OK then, so when you say on your website that you 'manufacture' what
exactly do you mean ("as an engineer" if necessary)?

> Yes the Royals have bought stoves from us, or we would not claim they
> had. Princess Anne bought two, Charles has one and I think Andrew has
> one also.

you think?

> This is the first time I have posted on this forum. I see people here
> struggling with various aspects of installation which are easy for me
> to answer as an engineer so if anyone wishes quick answers to
> questions which are second nature to me drop me a line on
> sa...@woodburningstoveslimited.com where I shall glady help, most
> certainly not be dressed to the nines and possibly be covered in soot
> as I type.

this thread is not big or difficult and in this NG there are many well
versed and experienced in what you proclaim to be some sort of expert
at .....

- so come on earn your spurs and help those "struggling with various

aspects of installation which are easy for me to answer as an

engineer" by proferring your "solutions" in public under our critical
supervision.... this surely will either expose you or make you
depending?

Jim K

[Clive George]

On 10/02/2012 20:41, Jim K wrote:

>> This is the first time I have posted on this forum. I see people here
>> struggling with various aspects of installation which are easy for me
>> to answer as an engineer so if anyone wishes quick answers to
>> questions which are second nature to me drop me a line on
>> sa...@woodburningstoveslimited.com where I shall glady help, most
>> certainly not be dressed to the nines and possibly be covered in soot
>> as I type.
>
> this thread is not big or difficult and in this NG there are many well
> versed and experienced in what you proclaim to be some sort of expert
> at .....
>
> - so come on earn your spurs and help those "struggling with various
> aspects of installation which are easy for me to answer as an
> engineer" by proferring your "solutions" in public under our critical
> supervision.... this surely will either expose you or make you
> depending?

The man's right. If you put a bit of effort in and answer questions
related to your expertise well, people here will respect you.

You'll probably get the piss taken if you do things like post the same
thing four times, but if you can sort that out, post sensible advice, do
so succinctly and at appropriate times, you may well gain some customers.

[robgraham]

On Feb 10, 2:15 pm, "Dave Liquorice"
<allsortsnotthis...@howhill.co.uk> wrote:

I was a bit surprised at the previous comments about a back-boilered
stove not heating the room. We've a 25 year old Woodwarm and it's
balance must be about the same as Dave's as we get perfectly adequate
heat to the room and to the DHW. The back boiler runs into a Dunsley
Neutraliser along with the oil burner so that the CH can be from
either.

Rob

[robgraham]

David - one thing Kevin hasn't indicated is what wood his friend is
burning. I find that pine has the characteristics he talks about -
give air and it burns like fury, shut it down and it goes out.
Properly dried hard would is far more obliging,,and will last in for
ages and recover from a mere glow of combustion.
Rob

[Jim K]

but seriously how often have you run the CH from the stove?

e.g. what's the oil burner rated at? vs the stove's wet output figure/
claim?

Jim K

[The Natural Philosopher]

my back boiler Villager is busy heating the bedroom. Sadly not the water
as it wasn't worth re-integrating it into the plumbing.

Ao I left that disconnected.

Fully capable of keeping a 30 sq meter room at 22C or more even in this
weather...in fact its a bit TOO hot and we have to let it go out after
midnight,

[The Natural Philosopher]

Every wood is a bit different in that respect. Poplar and willow are
very much 'blast furnace or nothing' woods. But decent hardwood is much
better.

I like oak and ash a lot and some of the fruit and thorn trees. Birch is
middling.

[The Natural Philosopher]

decent stove will pump about 3KW to 5KW into CH system. Not enough for
this weather, but better than sod all.

> Jim K

[mike]

On Feb 10, 7:55 pm, CountryKiln <tamba...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yes the Royals have bought stoves from us, or we would not claim they
> had. Princess Anne bought two

Well I've just contacted Clarence House and asked Princess Anne if she
does, in fact, have two stoves. This is what she said:

"No, I've only got one. I've had one for some time, but a few years
ago I said I was thinking of getting another, and since then some
people have called me 'Two Stoves'".

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:08:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> but seriously how often have you run the CH from the stove?

Here when ever it's on as it's plumbed into the thermal store.

>> e.g. what's the oil burner rated at? vs the stove's wet output
figure/
>> claim?

Our oil burner is 38kW IIRC but has a smaller jet than spec so maybe
only 35kW. The stove spec is 7kW to water.

> decent stove will pump about 3KW to 5KW into CH system. Not enough for
> this weather, but better than sod all.

See above, when the stove is on the oil boiler doesn't come on
anything like as often (if at all) as it does when the stove isn't
on. The oil burner is oversized now we have better insulation on the
walls and more windows replaced. It used to struggle keeping the
place warm with a bizzard (true meaning of the word) rageing outside.
But remember 7kW nonstop is the same as 35kW for 12mins of the hour.
We are certainly using less oil.

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Cheers
Dave.

[stevenpr...@gmail.com]

I have had a country kiln cast stove model 1 5kw for the last 5years it's on most days,and has been one of the strongest stoves I've owned,I have had Franco Belge cast enamelled,and Tripp stoves they have fell apart ,despite burning kinder coals that are not petroleum based,with a multi fuel stove price is not a guarantee of quality,the country kiln 1 stove I have has been excellent ,and I would recommend,,mr Pritchard Herefordshire

[harry]

On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:26:26 UTC, David WE Roberts wrote:
> http://www.woodburningstoveslimited.com/index.php?action=cms.details&itemid=219
>
> The Country Kiln cast iron stove at £299 + £35 delivery seems amazingly
> cheap for an 8kW stove.
>
> A 2 door 8kW Stovax Stockton (which we know to be a good brand) is around
> £800 including delivery which is a lot more.
>
> However saving over £450 is not worthwhile if the product is crap.
>
> So does anyone have any experience of Country Kiln stoves?
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
>


You would do better to get a room sealed stove.
ie, combustion air is drawn from outside directly into the stove not cold air drawn into the room as per traditional stoves.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/external-air-stove.html

[David]

Wonderful advice and only four years (plus a month) too late.
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Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

[elag...@gmail.com]

I bought a 7kW Country Kiln multi fuel stove about 7/8 years ago.
After about 3 years use, the fire backplate cracked. I repaired it with a thin steel sheet fixed behind the backplate with 3 small screws. Thinking the stove was on its way out I ordered another similar one as a spare, ready to fit if needed.
It is still in my garage because the original is still going strong.
This morning I noticed a small crack in the grate and phoned for a replacement. The man I spoke to was very helpful. He said if I was only burning wood then I could safely do away with the grate. If I am burning coal (which I am) then get a steel plate made locally and perforate it with ½” holes. A cheap and practical answer – Thank you.
Replace the rope door seals whenever you notice a difference in the type of flame and the stove will serve you well.
Five stars Country Kiln.
Garth

[david]

I had 3 in my last property, very happy with all of them.

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