CORGI engineer required to install new radiator?
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
corgi engineer or can I do it myself (and have no hassles when I come
to sell the house)? . Obviously I will need to drain down the system
so does this have a bearing on the answer?
Slider
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No, you can do this yourself. Corgi is only for gas appliances, gas fire,
boiler etc
Palindrome
Can I suggest that you investigate buying a pipe-freezing kit? Screwfix
sells them for <9 quid, IIRC.
If the job is going to take more than 10 mins, just put isolation valves
in circuit as the first step and you can take as long as you like,
plumbing to those.
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Slider
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Or buy a bung kit and bung the F&E pipes (if you have them). Then you have
no danger of trying to get the job done before the pipes melt and you get
wet.
Roger Mills
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk <clanger...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The Corgi requirement (if indeed there is one - because that is a moot point
in itself) only applies to gas connections. Assuming your radiator is not
heated *directly* by gas, but rather by water heated by a gas boiler
elsewhere in the circuit, there's no reason whatsoever why you can't DIY it.
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boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
"Roger Mills" <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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EricP
>its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
>boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
>
Well that makes them to be The Sun of the gas world then!
PeterMcC
<g2juqu$csu$1...@aioe.org>
> "Roger Mills" <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:6b5780F...@mid.individual.net...
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> clanger...@yahoo.co.uk <clanger...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by
>>> a corgi engineer or can I do it myself (and have no hassles when I
>>> come to sell the house)? . Obviously I will need to drain down the
>>> system so does this have a bearing on the answer?
>>
>> The Corgi requirement (if indeed there is one - because that is a
>> moot point in itself) only applies to gas connections. Assuming your
>> radiator is not heated *directly* by gas, but rather by water heated
>> by a gas boiler elsewhere in the circuit, there's no reason
>> whatsoever why you can't DIY it.
>>
> its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
> boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
Leaving aside the Corgi/competent person argument, and without seeing the
article in the Corgi mag, there's an ambiguity there with "connect gas and
water to a boiler".
Is it suggesting that only a Corgi fitter can attach a water carrying pipe
directly to a gas boiler or is it suggesting that only a Corgi fitter can
attach any water carrying element of a CH system that has a gas boiler as
part of the system?
[Y'know, that seemed so clear in my mind when I started to type it - I think
it makes sense but don't try too hard.]
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Dave Plowman (News)
nobby <**j...@nsp.com> wrote:
> its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
> boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
And we all believe what CORGI says. They have lied so often in the past
why start believing them now?
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To e-mail, change noise into sound.
geoff
>its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
>boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
>
and can you not refer to them as engineers, they are not allowed to
ENGINEER anything, they are fitters, they fit and install
You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
"competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters
CORGI are a self interest company, they are very good at distorting the
facts (such as conveniently pretending that you have to be registered to
work on a gas appliance FOR FINANCIAL GAIN)
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geoff
Peter Parry
wrote:
>If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by a
>corgi engineer
No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
John Stumbles
> its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
> boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
I didn't read it as a 'requirement' (if I'm thinking of the same article
as you) - it was about (not) commissioning installations done by
unregistered installers. I can't recall the exact details of the article
and cba to trawl through those of my back issues I haven't yet chucked
out, let alone to subject myself to CORGI's truly dire and buggy
flash-based online archive, but I think the gist was that to *commission*
(i.e. to fill in the benchmark logbook and generally take responsibility
for) an installation one needs to be sure all aspects of the installation
- including the wet pipework - have been done correctly. (In the case of
wet pipework this would be ensuring the system has been flushed and dosed
correctly.)
The article was written from a typical CORGI point of view of
Advanced Arsecovering. That's an observation, not necessarily a criticism:
in the context of commissioning an essentially-cowboy installations one has
to consider that if the cowboy has f**ked something up (acid flux in a gas
pipe corroding it through a few years later, gas pipe joint not soldered
in pipe laid in floor, boiler not secure to wall, crud in primary blocking
heat exchanger ...) they'll be long gone riding off into the sunset when
muggins gets clobbered for their wrongdoings which he signed off as his own
work ... for how much money?
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Xenophobia? Sounds a bit foreign to me.
@@
"competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
"geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News)
@@ <**j...@nsp.com> wrote:
> "You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by
> the HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
That would be the one who told me my boiler had to be replaced as it was
burning away the floor? Didn't have enough ventilation?
He was neither competent or honest.
> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long
> as you have the current qualifications in place which deems you
> competent to the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out
> gas work illegal.
> as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
You certainly are.
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geoff
>"You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
>"competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
I presume that you are a clueless top posting CORGI
>
>but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
>HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
Are they fuck
You seem to fail to understand that CORGI is only concerned with safety
>
>You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
>you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
>the HSE
funny that ...
I actually attended the HSE's consultation on gas safety and their slant
on it seems to differ substantially to yours
>which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
I'll rephrase - a substantial number of fitters I come across really
are not COMPETENT to work on gas appliances
They are prolly as clueless about the regs as you are as well
Let's get this straight
I (not CORGI registered) spend a not inconsiderable amount of time
diagnosing faults for fitters that are so obvious that I wonder how they
have muddled through for so long
e.g. last week (ex british gas 15 years + experience)
"I know it must be the pcb or the gas valve"
now this guy swapped the pcb rather than simply putting a meter on to
see if there were volts to the gas valve or not. This is INCOMPETENCE
and it's CORGI mate
now fuck off
>
>as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
>
>"geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message
>news:zJmH2xJF...@ntlworld.com...
>> In message <g2juqu$csu$1...@aioe.org>, nobby <**j...@nsp.com> writes
>>>its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
>>>boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
>>>
>> Is it fuck
>>
>> and can you not refer to them as engineers, they are not allowed to
>> ENGINEER anything, they are fitters, they fit and install
>>
>> You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
>> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters
>>
>> CORGI are a self interest company, they are very good at distorting the
>> facts (such as conveniently pretending that you have to be registered to
>> work on a gas appliance FOR FINANCIAL GAIN)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>
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geoff
>"competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
>
>but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
>HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
>
>You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
>you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
>the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
>
>as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
>
Sorry, but we have little time for self proclaimed "CORGI gods" round
here
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geoff
Astral Voyager
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
Everyone who has a full UK driving licences is deemed to be a competent and
qualified driver. One only has to venture onto the roads to see that does
not hold true. Likewise any certification only means the person managed to
muddle through at time of testing and says nothing of their competence to
carry out the task at any other time.
Mel.
John Rumm
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
Yeah, right...
Last CORGI installed boiler I saw:
Bloke turned up drunk
got the boiler mounted on the wall 5 degrees off vertical
Had more solder on the outside of the pipes and kitchen floor than on
the joints
Connected the condensate drain to a copper pipe using some insulating
tape, fed it through an outside wall and left it dripping on a concrete
drive
Said the existing prog stat was "incompatible with the boiler" and did
not connect it up.
Left five gas leaks for his mate to come back and find the following day.
> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
> you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
> the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
The law makes no mention of any required "qualifications".
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Andy Hall
Except that there are tits (or at least articles written by them) on
pages other than page three.
Andy Hall
If you thought that this was ambiguos and misleading, look at some of
the wording on their web site. Phrases such as "likely to be illegal"
for example. They can't actually *say* illegal because the relevant
Acts don't support the statement.
Andy Hall
> "You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
>
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
>
> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
> you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
> the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
>
> as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
Go and take a look at section 3 of the Gas Safety (Installation and
Use) Regulations and you will discover the following:
A) It is a requirement that all persons who work on gas appliances be
competent. The Act does not define competence, nor does it define
qualification.
B) It is a requirement that employees or self employed people carrying
out gas fitting work be a member of a "class of persons approved for
time being by the Health and Safety Executive". (i.e. members of
CORGI).
Nothing in the Act stipulates that people who are not employees or self
employed are required to have specific qualifications or memberships.
This is something that the HSE have acknowledged in many studies over
the years. Each time they have come to the conclusion that there is
no evidence to suggest problems from competent people doing gas work
for themselves. This has been in connection with a possible
tightening of legislation. In addition they have realised that such
legislation would be unenforceable anyway. In surveys of industry
stakeholders, predictably the most vehement supporters have been those
such as CORGI with a commercial interest.
By the way, the correct phrasing (if the statement were true, which it
isn't), would have been "you're talking bollocks".
"Your talking bollocks" would suggest that someone has genitalia able
to communicate verbally. If you have that then the recommendation
would be to see a doctor or go on the stage. You would almost
certainly make more money with your talking bollocks (correct use here)
than in anything related to the gas industry or the legal profession.
A.Lee
> > "You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> > "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
>
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
That is quite a comical statement after seeing some of the work done by
some Corgi 'engineers' shown at times on this group.
It was only last month that pictures were posted here of an upturned
bucket used as a gas fire flue, fitted by a 'competent' CORGI registered
fitter.
I'm currently working on a house where the boiler fitter has removed the
stop cock inside the house. He said it was too stiff to turn, so removed
it, fitted a new section of pipe in place of the stop cock, and said to
turn the water off out in the street if need be.
Alan.
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Bob Mannix
Ah but you are confusing "competence" (as in what you've got) and
"Competence" which is what CORGI registered people have. The government set
up the scheme so they could define "Competence" as they (and the courts)
like things easily defined (it's cheaper that way). It's nothing to do with
whether they are any good at the work. Your undoubted competence doesn't
count (unless you have documentary evidence to prove it) however great it
is. Those CORGIs who are incompetent don't count either (other than that
CORGI might prefer not to have CORGI isnpired accidents). CORGI aren't
concerned with safety. The governent were concerned about being seen to do
nothing about safety - now they can say they are. The law may be an ass, and
it's supporters deserving of being told to go forth and multiply but that
doesn't stop it being the law!
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dennis@home
"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> @@ wrote:
>
>> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
>> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
>
> Yeah, right...
>
> Last CORGI installed boiler I saw:
>
> Bloke turned up drunk
> got the boiler mounted on the wall 5 degrees off vertical
> Had more solder on the outside of the pipes and kitchen floor than on the
> joints
> Connected the condensate drain to a copper pipe using some insulating
> tape, fed it through an outside wall and left it dripping on a concrete
> drive
> Said the existing prog stat was "incompatible with the boiler" and did not
> connect it up.
> Left five gas leaks for his mate to come back and find the following day.
>
>> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long
>> as you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent
>> to the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work
>> illegal.
>
> The law makes no mention of any required "qualifications".
No, you have to be competent.
Doing it wrong is proof you weren't and will get you done.
Doing it right is proof you were competent and you are OK.
CORGI are just there to look after themselves and do not hold the interests
of the consumer above their own.
Dave Plowman (News)
dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> CORGI are just there to look after themselves and do not hold the
> interests of the consumer above their own.
They certainly don't. When I had the problems with the one I mentioned
earlier I wrote to them documenting my tale supported by the evidence of
the handwritten note he'd left - I wasn't present when he'd called. I
included his registered business address. What he tried to pull amounted
to fraud - not just incompetence.
I got no reply despite a follow up letter and phone call. They are simply
a business given some credibility by government legislation without ever
earning that privilege.
I should point out a CORGI registered fitter recommended by the boiler
maker sorted the problem in minutes and sorted the mess the original one
had left.
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cynic
> "You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
>
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
The flaw in your assertation is that "competent" is defined by CORGI
as having demonstrated just enough knowledge to get past an assessor
who works for a profit making training/assessing organisation. Many of
these organisations do just enough to get past their verifyers and
have a vested interest in keeping their pass numbers up so as to
generate more trade
>
> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
> you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
> the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
You do NOT need qualifications, you do need knowledge sufficient to
install and commission the particular equipment properly. I used to
find there were two opposing poles of d-i-y ers, those who read ALL
the literature, took every care, and made a far better job than most
professionals, and those who didn't! The first were absolutely
competent the second obviously not.
>
> as you've probably realised by now your talking bollocks!
No he isn't but you are (and at the same time consigning yourself to
the considered status of wanker)
>
> "geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message
>
> news:zJmH2xJF...@ntlworld.com...
>
>
>
> > In message <g2juqu$cs...@aioe.org>, nobby <*...@nsp.com> writes
> >>its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
> >>boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
>
> > Is it fuck
>
> > and can you not refer to them as engineers, they are not allowed to
> > ENGINEER anything, they are fitters, they fit and install
>
> > You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> > "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters
>
> > CORGI are a self interest company, they are very good at distorting the
> > facts (such as conveniently pretending that you have to be registered to
> > work on a gas appliance FOR FINANCIAL GAIN)
>
> > --
> > geoff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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PeterMcC
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> LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
The word "forum" may also say something ;)
Bob Eager
> LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
Lost your argument, I see.
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ARWadworth
>>its a requirement that only corgi engineers connect gas and water to a
>>boiler as in a recent edition of the gas installer (corgi mag)
>>
> Is it fuck
>
> and can you not refer to them as engineers, they are not allowed to
> ENGINEER anything, they are fitters, they fit and install
>
> You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters
Of course CORGI fitters are safe
http://www.thestar.co.uk/barnsley/Gas-safety-fear-check.3996651.jp
http://www.hvnplus.co.uk/page.cfm/action=Archive/ArchiveID=4/EntryID=316
How dare you slag them off:-)
Adam
John Rumm
> LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
Let's hope you know more about gas fitting than you do about usenet.
nobby
"Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Bob Eager
> "Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
> news:0qar441p0l1o5eita...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT), clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
> > wrote:
> >
> >>If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by a
> >>corgi engineer
> >
> > No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
> > either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
> ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
Almost as much of a scandal as Wayne Rooney...
dennis@home
"Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:17:13 UTC, "nobby" <**j...@nsp.com> top posted:
>
>> "Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
>> news:0qar441p0l1o5eita...@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT), clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by a
>> >>corgi engineer
>> >
>> > No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
>> > either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
>
>> ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
>
> Almost as much of a scandal as Wayne Rooney...
Wayne Rooney probably knows more about gas fitting!
A.Lee
> "Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
> news:0qar441p0l1o5eita...@4ax.com...
> > No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
> > either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
> ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
I think that in the real world, someone in plumbing/gas fitting would be
extremely lucky to earn £400 any day, never mind 'most days'.
£200 I could understand, though even then, it would not be common to
earn that every working day.
geoff
...
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geoff
>LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
hey shitforbrains
don't top post
and ... it's not a forum, it's a newsgroup
they let you loose on gas appliances ?
CORGI Nazis come and CORGI Nazis go
byeee
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Rod
> "You can do whatever you want to your own boiler as long as you are
> "competent" - which cuts out a significant proportion of CORGI fitters"
>
> but to be in corgi you must be competent and qualified as demanded by the
> HSE so EVERY corgi engineer is competent.
>
> You are correct you can do what ever you want to your own boiler as long as
> you have the current qualifications in place which deems you competent to
> the HSE which probably makes 99.9% of DIYers carrying out gas work illegal.
>
There are different types of work (according to CORGI). Therefore, not
all CORGIs are regarded as competent for boilers, by CORGI - let alone
some of the posters here. :-)
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that's silenced the majority of you fuckwits....or are you out delivering
pizzas.
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Bob Eager
> "nobby" <**j...@nsp.com> wrote in message news:g2mgfn$t5f$1...@aioe.org...
> > ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
> >
> > "Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
> > news:0qar441p0l1o5eita...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT), clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by a
> >>>corgi engineer
> >>
> >> No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
> >> either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
> that's silenced the majority of you fuckwits....or are you out delivering
> pizzas.
Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
you're just a moron.
Steve Walker
> LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
Yeah, we all dream of being CORGI fitters....
Steve Walker
> ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
A typical CORGI fitter earns £100k? I think not.
Peter Parry
>ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
None that I know of. However, I have heard many stories of cowboy
corgis making large amounts by scamming people with unnecessary and
vastly overpriced work - such as a £1,000 repair to a thermostat on a
pensioners boiler reported in a local paper recently, but I have no
evidence of such. Perhaps you do?
Astral Voyager
"A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> wrote:
> I think that in the real world, someone in plumbing/gas fitting
> would be extremely lucky to earn Ł400 any day, never mind
> 'most days'. Ł200 I could understand, though even then, it
> would not be common to earn that every working day.
I think it would largely depend to what extent your moral code allowed you
to rip off your customers.
Likely to make 400 a day you would have to be willing to frog-march little
old ladies to the post office to withdraw their savings.
Mel.
Ed Sirett
That sounds about right.
The £200 a day is the turn over not the take home. A small one man
business would have £75+ per working day of overheads.
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Astral Voyager
"Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
> you're just a moron.
Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
trained and certified elsewhere.
I think this thread has shown that people have little respect for CORGI or
for tradesmen in general. That would be their won fault and not the publics.
Bring back the apprenticeships I say - where 'tradesmen' actually learned
their trade and took pride in doing a good job.
Mel.
geoff
<alan@darkroom.+.com> writes
unless you're one of the rip off cowboys who lie and cheat their way
through the day
I had a customer last year who thought a CORGI had ripped him off by
charging him for his own pcb
As luck would have it, it was a Baxi Solo (Mk1) and the older blue board
hadn't been on sale for more than three years [1]
This is obviously how our man here makes his money
[1] which resulted in a prosecution following my writing a letter to the
court
--
geoff
Bob Eager
<nobod...@any.time> wrote:
>
> "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
> > you're just a moron.
>
> Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
> certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
> trained and certified elsewhere.
That was my point...the term 'engineer' is much misused.
> I think this thread has shown that people have little respect for CORGI or
> for tradesmen in general. That would be their won fault and not the publics.
> Bring back the apprenticeships I say - where 'tradesmen' actually learned
> their trade and took pride in doing a good job.
There are some good tradesmen around, who have to pay through the nose
for their 'guild membership'.
geoff
<rd...@spamcop.net> writes
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:02:56 UTC, "@@" <**j...@nsp.com> top posted:
>
>> "nobby" <**j...@nsp.com> wrote in message news:g2mgfn$t5f$1...@aioe.org...
>> > ermm that make £400- 500 a day most days....
>> >
>> > "Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:0qar441p0l1o5eita...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT), clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>If I replace ( or indeed add) a radiator does it have to be done by a
>> >>>corgi engineer
>> >>
>> >> No. Moreover Corgis are not engineers, most are not technicians
>> >> either, but simply "monkey see monkey do" gas fitters.
>
>> that's silenced the majority of you fuckwits....or are you out delivering
>> pizzas.
>
>Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
>you're just a moron.
>
--
geoff
geoff
<nobod...@any.time> writes
>
>"Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
>> you're just a moron.
>
>Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
>certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
>trained and certified elsewhere.
I explained earlier - maybe before your NG was x-posted to, that CORGIs
are not allowed to engineer anything - that implies modification IYSWIM
They are only allowed to fit like for like parts (one after another
until it works, normally ...)
>
>I think this thread has shown that people have little respect for CORGI or
>for tradesmen in general. That would be their won fault and not the publics.
>Bring back the apprenticeships I say - where 'tradesmen' actually learned
>their trade and took pride in doing a good job.
>
>Mel.
>
>
--
geoff
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
radiator myself, and I then sell the house, and the buyer asks (well
his solicitor asks) "where's the paperwork for this", what do I tell
them?
Bob Mannix
news:570eb1f7-7a23-4838...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
That there isn't any. If they really want the house they'll buy it anyway.
--
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(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)
The Natural Philosopher
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:56:02 UTC, "Astral Voyager"
> <nobod...@any.time> wrote:
>
>> "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
>>> you're just a moron.
>> Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
>> certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
>> trained and certified elsewhere.
>
> That was my point...the term 'engineer' is much misused.
>
Sadly we dont have a word - apart from 'mechanic' 'electrician' ' or
'plumber' for someone who has passed some sort of trade exam, but is not
what in France or Germany would be called an engineer: Namely someone
with a professional academic degree in an engineering discipline.
Astral Voyager
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote:
>> That was my point...the term 'engineer' is much misused.
>
> Sadly we dont have a word - apart from 'mechanic' 'electrician' ' or
> 'plumber' for someone who has passed some sort of trade exam, but is not
> what in France or Germany would be called an engineer: Namely someone with
> a professional academic degree in an engineering discipline.
The point was that there is no such thing as a 'CORGI engineer'. Even if you
accept the term 'engineer' then CORGI has nothing to do with it. CORGI is
merely a registration body who (I assume as a minimum) verify and confirm a
certification issued by another body. So the term should be 'CORGI
registered engineer'. Semantics maybe...but clarifies what CORGI's role
actually is.
Mel.
Mark
wrote:
>Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:56:02 UTC, "Astral Voyager"
>> <nobod...@any.time> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
>>>> you're just a moron.
>>> Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
>>> certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
>>> trained and certified elsewhere.
>>
>> That was my point...the term 'engineer' is much misused.
>>
>
>Sadly we dont have a word - apart from 'mechanic' 'electrician' ' or
>'plumber' for someone who has passed some sort of trade exam, but is not
>what in France or Germany would be called an engineer: Namely someone
>with a professional academic degree in an engineering discipline.
What about the word "technician"? That's the one I would normally use
for someone like that described above.
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Dave Liquorice
wrote:
What paper work? There isn't a requirement for any paper work to change a
radiator. Your not going to tell them you changed the radiator are you,
not unless they ask pretty specific questions about the heating system.
Vagueness is all...
--
Cheers
Dave.
Dave Plowman (News)
<570eb1f7-7a23-4838...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
You have paperwork for every replacement in your house?
It's up to the buyer to satisfy himself that the heating system is in good
condition - only a fool would rely on the owner for that.
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Ed Sirett
Like for like replacement, is not generally a notifiable activity.
Replacment of a vented (sic) HW cylinder was notifiable for a while but
common sense has now prevailed.
Adding radiators is not notifiable either.
Replacing a boiler is.
Andy Hall
There's nothing to tell him.
You will not have done anything that requires notification to any
official body or involvement by any pseudo official body like CORGI.
However, if you feel that having a piece of paper from one of these
organisations (which you wouldn't get for a radiator change anyway),
then hire a registered fitter to do the job.
You are concerning yourself about nothing.
The Natural Philosopher
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:57:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:56:02 UTC, "Astral Voyager"
>>> <nobod...@any.time> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, it's obvious that the term 'CORGI engineer' is an oxymoron. And
>>>>> you're just a moron.
>>>> Is there such a thing as a 'CORGI engineer'? Do they actually train and
>>>> certify? I thought CORGI were just a registration facility for people
>>>> trained and certified elsewhere.
>>> That was my point...the term 'engineer' is much misused.
>>>
>> Sadly we dont have a word - apart from 'mechanic' 'electrician' ' or
>> 'plumber' for someone who has passed some sort of trade exam, but is not
>> what in France or Germany would be called an engineer: Namely someone
>> with a professional academic degree in an engineering discipline.
>
> What about the word "technician"? That's the one I would normally use
> for someone like that described above.
>
technician.
John Stumbles
> The point was that there is no such thing as a 'CORGI engineer'.
CORGI don't describe them (us) as such: it was the term used by the OP.
CORGI's current term is "Installer" (as in Registered Installer, as in
Council Of Registered Gas Installers = CORGI)
--
John Stumbles
I can't stand intolerance
Andrew Gabriel
Ed Sirett <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> Like for like replacement, is not generally a notifiable activity.
>
> Replacment of a vented (sic) HW cylinder was notifiable for a while but
> common sense has now prevailed.
Is it now 'officially' not notifiable, or just no one takes
any notice? ISTR that Prescott's office tried and failed a
number of times to get plumbers to form a self-certifying
body.
--
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geoff
<pe...@mccourt.org.uk> writes
>@@ wrote in
><g2m3j7$atc$1...@aioe.org>
>
>> LOL The forum name says it all WANNABEES!! LOL
>
>
He's gone very quiet
Was it something we said ?
--
geoff
Bob Eager
They come, they go...
(apart from Drivel, that is)
Andy Hall
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:29:18 +0100, Astral Voyager wrote:
>
>> The point was that there is no such thing as a 'CORGI engineer'.
>
> CORGI don't describe them (us) as such: it was the term used by the OP.
> CORGI's current term is "Installer" (as in Registered Installer, as in
> Council Of Registered Gas Installers = CORGI)
It almost makes you not want to be involved if that were possible.
The diligent and experienced person effectively has the same status as
the 17 year old who can only just about manage to solder.
Peter Andrews
"Ed Sirett" <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g2p1ep$q89$2$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:29:14 -0700, clangers_snout wrote:
>
>> So, to bring it back to my original question. When I replace this
>> radiator myself, and I then sell the house, and the buyer asks (well his
>> solicitor asks) "where's the paperwork for this", what do I tell them?
>
> Like for like replacement, is not generally a notifiable activity.
>
> Replacment of a vented (sic) HW cylinder was notifiable for a while but
> common sense has now prevailed.
>
> Adding radiators is not notifiable either.
>
> Replacing a boiler is.
>
Who needs notifying if I replace my boiler? - British Gas :-)
Peter
Cerberus .
Or not, as in our case when the CORGI muppet let his pet puppy install our
CH pipework.
We didn't ask for an integral shower in the hallway, but we got one.
Don.
Ed Sirett
> In article <g2p1ep$q89$2$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> Ed Sirett <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> Like for like replacement, is not generally a notifiable activity.
>>
>> Replacment of a vented (sic) HW cylinder was notifiable for a while but
>> common sense has now prevailed.
>
> Is it now 'officially' not notifiable,
yes.
or just no one takes any notice?
That was effectively what was happeneing anyway.
> ISTR that Prescott's office tried and failed a number of times to get
> plumbers to form a self-certifying body.
I suspect that there are just too many of them to get a "closed guild"
going.
Dave Plowman (News)
Ed Sirett <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:29:14 -0700, clangers_snout wrote:
> > So, to bring it back to my original question. When I replace this
> > radiator myself, and I then sell the house, and the buyer asks (well
> > his solicitor asks) "where's the paperwork for this", what do I tell
> > them?
> Like for like replacement, is not generally a notifiable activity.
> Replacment of a vented (sic) HW cylinder was notifiable for a while but
> common sense has now prevailed.
> Adding radiators is not notifiable either.
> Replacing a boiler is.
Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
The interesting thing with the Viessmann is that apart from the usual
filling and venting proceeder, the only other check needed is that the gas
pressure is within limits - all the other settings are automatic. They
obviously have heard about CORGI 'standards'.
--
*Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh.
John Stumbles
> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
your LA BCO, but since you've already done it prolly best to keep schtum
about it ... retrospective wotsits and all that
--
John Stumbles
Ohnosecond
Instant in time when you realise that you've just made a BIG mistake.
John Stumbles
> On 2008-06-11 20:33:00 +0100, John Stumbles <john.s...@ntlworld.com> said:
>> CORGI don't describe them (us) as such: it was the term used by the OP.
>> CORGI's current term is "Installer" (as in Registered Installer, as in
>> Council Of Registered Gas Installers = CORGI)
>
> It almost makes you not want to be involved if that were possible.
What, because of the name? I could get pedantic about the fact that I
do repairs, maintenance and inspection as well as installing but life's
too short :-)
> The diligent and experienced person effectively has the same status as
> the 17 year old who can only just about manage to solder.
A plumbing qualification is a prerequisite for the gas training (which of
course absolutely guarantees that the person will have appropriate plumbing
skills ... just as a driving licence guarantees that a person is a
competent driver [sigh]) but ability to solder and other basic plumbing
skills aren't part of the gas assessment.
Actually the driving analogy (s/solder/drive/ in what you said) is
interesting, but with the gas thing you get assessed on your work every
year or two and have to re-do the whole assessment every 5 years. That's a
model I'd like to see on the roads: discuss [ducks :-)]
--
John Stumbles
Extreme moderate
geoff
<john.s...@ntlworld.com> writes
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:03:50 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
>
>>orld.com> said:
>
>>> CORGI don't describe them (us) as such: it was the term used by the OP.
>>> CORGI's current term is "Installer" (as in Registered Installer, as in
>>> Council Of Registered Gas Installers = CORGI)
>>
>> It almost makes you not want to be involved if that were possible.
>
>What, because of the name? I could get pedantic about the fact that I
>do repairs, maintenance and inspection as well as installing but life's
>too short :-)
>
>> The diligent and experienced person effectively has the same status as
>> the 17 year old who can only just about manage to solder.
>
>A plumbing qualification is a prerequisite for the gas training (which of
>course absolutely guarantees that the person will have appropriate plumbing
>skills ... just as a driving licence guarantees that a person is a
>competent driver [sigh]) but ability to solder and other basic plumbing
>skills aren't part of the gas assessment.
>
>Actually the driving analogy (s/solder/drive/ in what you said) is
>interesting, but with the gas thing you get assessed on your work every
>year or two and have to re-do the whole assessment every 5 years. That's a
>model I'd like to see on the roads: discuss [ducks :-)]
>
customer need me to explain to him how to test an air pressure switch
today that is
So, the customer had paid for a pcb and fan and, because of his
misdiagnosis, they weren't the fault
a) lucky they bought from me because of
i) price
ii) backup
b) I dread to think what his driving's like if I have to follow your
analogy
--
geoff
Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk
> Or buy a bung kit and bung the F&E pipes (if you have them). Then you have
> no danger of trying to get the job done before the pipes melt and you get
> wet.
Or just drain-down anyway and get rid of some/most/all of the black crap.
That way there's no fear of the whole system dumping everywhere.
Drain-down, re-fill, pump, drain-down re-fill, pump etc .... until the water
drains down clean. Then re-fill and add additive.
Far better option in my mind.
Pete
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John Rumm
>> Adding radiators is not notifiable either.
>
>> Replacing a boiler is.
>
> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the effiency
of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to modern standards
with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
> The interesting thing with the Viessmann is that apart from the usual
> filling and venting proceeder, the only other check needed is that the gas
> pressure is within limits - all the other settings are automatic. They
> obviously have heard about CORGI 'standards'.
That seems quite common. I noted on the Ideal boiler I fitted at the
last place, there were instructions in effect saying everything is
preset, please don't fiddle!
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Dave Plowman (News)
John Stumbles <john.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:26 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> > reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
> your LA BCO, but since you've already done it prolly best to keep schtum
> about it ... retrospective wotsits and all that
I wish someone could explain to me why replacing a boiler in the same
place as the old one should need a BCO to be informed? Does moving the
flue all of 2 ft need planning permission?
--
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Dave Plowman (News)
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> > Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> > reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
> It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
> requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the effiency
> of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to modern standards
> with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
Should I apply for this retrospectively? I'm pretty certain it exceeds
current requirements - weather compensated etc.
--
*Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *
Andrew Gabriel
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> The interesting thing with the Viessmann is that apart from the usual
>> filling and venting proceeder, the only other check needed is that the gas
>> pressure is within limits - all the other settings are automatic. They
>> obviously have heard about CORGI 'standards'.
>
> That seems quite common. I noted on the Ideal boiler I fitted at the
> last place, there were instructions in effect saying everything is
> preset, please don't fiddle!
My Keston said something along those lines.
It was however miles out, as I think was everyone else's here.
Andy Hall
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> said:
> In article <uqh4k.38525$X6....@newsfe30.ams2>,
> John Stumbles <john.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:26 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
>>> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
>
>> your LA BCO, but since you've already done it prolly best to keep schtum
>> about it ... retrospective wotsits and all that
>
> I wish someone could explain to me why replacing a boiler in the same
> place as the old one should need a BCO to be informed? Does moving the
> flue all of 2 ft need planning permission?
This is so that they can check that you have followed the Part L requirements.
For the BCO, it is more exciting than his normal job of putting the
little holes in toothbrushes.
Denon
>
> None that I know of. However, I have heard many stories of cowboy
> corgis making large amounts by scamming people with unnecessary and
> vastly overpriced work - such as a £1,000 repair to a thermostat on a
> pensioners boiler reported in a local paper recently, but I have no
> evidence of such. Perhaps you do?
After getting 3 quotes for what seemed ( to me ) to be absolute rip-off
prices and being told that "if you don't use a corgi reg fitter you will
die.... its that simple mate " I then went ahead and fitted my own combi
boiler. I had never even plumbed a tap before in my life nor changed a tap
washer, none of those technical things, what I do have is common sense. The
best quote I had was £500 labour and was told it would take 2 days due to it
not being a the same make of boiler out as in. I did it myself in 6 hours
without any experience and having to go buy a couple tools and standard tea
breaks..... oh and it cost me £25.00. That was 18 months ago and I'm still
here to tell the tail. I have since remodelled the bathroom including
fitting and extractor fan (which I wired myself) I have rewired my
garage/workshop totally I have replaced all the windows in my house. I have
also been told that if I rewire my house "you will die....its that simple
mate" Guess what my next job is........
These so-called experts may have a license to print money but it won't be my
money
Cerberus .
> In article <uqh4k.38525$X6....@newsfe30.ams2>,
> John Stumbles <john.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:26 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
>>> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
>
>> your LA BCO, but since you've already done it prolly best to keep schtum
>> about it ... retrospective wotsits and all that
>
> I wish someone could explain to me why replacing a boiler in the same
> place as the old one should need a BCO to be informed? Does moving the
> flue all of 2 ft need planning permission?
It's getting to the point where people will have to notify BCO if they want
to wipe their backsides!
Last year we had a gas fire replaced & a flue liner installed. Guess what,
BCO had to be notified and I was issued with a pretty little certificate.
FFS why should the BCO be involved?
Don.
Andy Hall
So that they can increase their workload, hire more of them and reduce
unemployment while increasing taxation.
did anybody hear the Radio 4 item about the Purbeck bedroom tax yesterday?
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
> In article <F7ednf_vq5DIMczVnZ2dnUVZ8rKdn...@posted.plusnet>,
> John Rumm <see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>
> > > Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> > > reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
> > It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
> > requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the effiency
> > of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to modern standards
> > with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
>
> Should I apply for this retrospectively? I'm pretty certain it exceeds
> current requirements - weather compensated etc.
Dave, it's your choice. When you come to sell the house there is a
standard question on the buyers form, from their solicitor, which asks
if the central heating has been altered from a certain date. If you
say yes (which you would have to in your case), then there is a follow
up which says please supply BCO completion certificates (electrical
and gas) and CORGI certification. If you don't have that then the
buyer can either use it as a reason to knock you down on price or even
pull out of the deal altogether if it worries them that much. The BCO
retrospective fee if 20% on top of the normal fee. From the buyer's
point of view, the fact that there is no 'legal' paperwork for the
installation can invalidate any insurance claim they might make in the
future and of course they would have the same problem when it comes
time for them to sell.
Andrew Gabriel
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> On 13 Jun, 00:25, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <F7ednf_vq5DIMczVnZ2dnUVZ8rKdn...@posted.plusnet>,
>> John Rumm <see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>
>> > > Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
>> > > reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
>> > It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
>> > requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the effiency
>> > of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to modern standards
>> > with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
>>
>> Should I apply for this retrospectively? I'm pretty certain it exceeds
>> current requirements - weather compensated etc.
>
> Dave, it's your choice. When you come to sell the house there is a
> standard question on the buyers form, from their solicitor, which asks
> if the central heating has been altered from a certain date. If you
In my (admittedly limited experience of two recent cases), the
seller's solicitor doesn't allow you to answer any of these
questions, even where apparently favourable to you.
Tony Bryer
> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
I'm about to find this out, since I replaced mine in 2004 and am about to
sell. I am (hopefully) going to pre-empt problems by getting it
professionally serviced and get a Landlord's certificate at the same time.
For the electrics, I will get a periodic inspection report. If I have an
awkward buyer ['s solicitor] they may insist on a Building Regs
regularisation approval which will cost me £250 or so for nothing more
than eyeballing the other paperwork.
--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk
Tony Bryer
> did anybody hear the Radio 4 item about the Purbeck bedroom tax
> yesterday?
Yes, a Conservative council, for anyone who expects things to change in
2010
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
> > In my (admittedly limited experience of two recent cases), the
> seller's solicitor doesn't allow you to answer any of these
> questions, even where apparently favourable to you.
>
> --
> Andrew Gabriel
> [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
Sure, the buyer's solicitor can't legally force you to answer the
questions but, what would you as the buyer think if you outright
refused to answer those sticky questions? You'd immediately assume
(correctly) that there's no paperwork or that you're hiding something
or both. Either way, answering honestly that you have no paperwork or
alternatively just refusing to answer, you're in the same boat. The
buyer tries to knock you down on price or walks away.
Andy Hall
One could simply answer that there is no paperwork and that none is
required. It isn't.
Then the buyer can choose. If they want the house they can choose to
ignore the issue (because it is a non issue) and then check that their
solicitor really knows what she's doing (if she got this wrong how much
more is wrong?)
If it's a price issue and a negotiation then that will have to be about
something else.
John Rumm
> In article <F7ednf_vq5DIMczV...@posted.plusnet>,
> John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
>>> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
>
>> It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
>> requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the effiency
>> of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to modern standards
>> with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
>
> Should I apply for this retrospectively? I'm pretty certain it exceeds
> current requirements - weather compensated etc.
No point now... If you sell the place and it proves to be a problem, you
can get a (worthless*) insurance to cover retrospective building regs
problems.
* IIUC the window of time where a LA can take any enforcement action on
building regs violations is short, and since your system complies anyway
there would be nothing for them to take action over. That even assumes
they had the will - which seems unlikely.
clanger...@yahoo.co.uk
> On 2008-06-13 12:35:39 +0100, clangers_sn...@yahoo.co.uk said:
> One could simply answer that there is no paperwork and that none is
> required. It isn't.
>
> Then the buyer can choose. If they want the house they can choose to
> ignore the issue (because it is a non issue) and then check that their
> solicitor really knows what she's doing (if she got this wrong how much
> more is wrong?)
>
> If it's a price issue and a negotiation then that will have to be about
> something else.
Andy, are we talking about the boiler replacement or my original
question about the radiator? If you are talking about the boiler
replacement, where are you getting this idea that no paperwork is
required from? Can you refer me to a legally binding document that
states this, something that I could refer the clueless solicitor to
when they (or the buyer) insist on BCO completion certificates and
CORGI paperwork?
Piers Finlayson
"Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.sda.co.uk> wrote in message
news:VA.0000465...@delme.sda.co.uk...
When I sold my house, in which the boiler had been replaced a few years
earlier, the buyers (via their solicitors) asked for paperwork from recent
servicing of the boiler.
I told them, not untruthfully, that I had never had my boiler serviced and
therefore I had no servicing paperwork to give them. They asked again and I
told them the same thing. They then asked whether it worked OK, and I said
to the best of my knowledge yes (which it did).
That was that. I was prepared, if pushed, to get it serviced and pay for
it, but I didn't think it was worth servicing it on the off chance.
Andy Hall
> On 13 Jun, 13:11, Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
>> On 2008-06-13 12:35:39 +0100, clangers_sn...@yahoo.co.uk said:
>
>> One could simply answer that there is no paperwork and that none is
>> required. It isn't.
>>
>> Then the buyer can choose. If they want the house they can choose to
>> ignore the issue (because it is a non issue) and then check that their
>> solicitor really knows what she's doing (if she got this wrong how much
>> more is wrong?)
>>
>> If it's a price issue and a negotiation then that will have to be about
>> something else.
>
> Andy, are we talking about the boiler replacement or my original
> question about the radiator?
Specifically the radiator not boiler replacement.
ronny
"geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message
news:VRPOgnm8...@ntlworld.com...
Any fitter or whatever you want to call them who can't test a simple
component like a pressure switch wants shooting IMHO.
But come on mate, describing testing of a pressure switch as "back up" is a
bit lame a six year old could do it, lets face it.
Ron.
Cerberus .
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:00:39 +0100 Andy Hall wrote :
>> did anybody hear the Radio 4 item about the Purbeck bedroom tax
>> yesterday?
>
> Yes, a Conservative council, for anyone who expects things to change in
> 2010
I was going to call it 'daylight robbery', but that was the "Window Tax" of
1696. Oh well, that's progress for you. ;-)
Don.
John Rumm
The window tax is a scam run by FENSA these days ;-)
Dave Plowman (News)
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <F7ednf_vq5DIMczV...@posted.plusnet>,
> > John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> >>> Having recently replaced my boiler, who do I inform? And what's the
> >>> reaction going to be since I DIYed it?
> >
> >> It in theory requires a building notice because of the Part L
> >> requirements for energy efficiency - hence verification of the
> >> effiency of the boiler, plus checking that the controls are to
> >> modern standards with TRVs and boiler interlock etc.
> >
> > Should I apply for this retrospectively? I'm pretty certain it exceeds
> > current requirements - weather compensated etc.
> No point now... If you sell the place and it proves to be a problem, you
> can get a (worthless*) insurance to cover retrospective building regs
> problems.
OK. I've no intention of selling - I wouldn't have replaced the boiler if
I had.
> * IIUC the window of time where a LA can take any enforcement action on
> building regs violations is short, and since your system complies anyway
> there would be nothing for them to take action over. That even assumes
> they had the will - which seems unlikely.
Great. I put in a larger window at the same time. Wonder what I've not
done that I should have with this. ;-)
--
*Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? *
geoff
>>>> The diligent and experienced person effectively has the same status as
>>>> the 17 year old who can only just about manage to solder.
>>>
>>>A plumbing qualification is a prerequisite for the gas training (which of
>>>course absolutely guarantees that the person will have appropriate
>>>plumbing
>>>skills ... just as a driving licence guarantees that a person is a
>>>competent driver [sigh]) but ability to solder and other basic plumbing
>>>skills aren't part of the gas assessment.
>>>
>>>Actually the driving analogy (s/solder/drive/ in what you said) is
>>>interesting, but with the gas thing you get assessed on your work every
>>>year or two and have to re-do the whole assessment every 5 years. That's a
>>>model I'd like to see on the roads: discuss [ducks :-)]
>>>
>> So how did the CORGI who was fitting a fan and PCB I supplied to his
>> customer need me to explain to him how to test an air pressure switch
>>
>> today that is
>>
>> So, the customer had paid for a pcb and fan and, because of his
>> misdiagnosis, they weren't the fault
>>
>> a) lucky they bought from me because of
>> i) price
>> ii) backup
>
>Any fitter or whatever you want to call them who can't test a simple
>component like a pressure switch wants shooting IMHO.
>
>
>But come on mate, describing testing of a pressure switch as "back up" is a
>bit lame a six year old could do it, lets face it.
>
--
geoff
John Rumm
>> No point now... If you sell the place and it proves to be a problem, you
>> can get a (worthless*) insurance to cover retrospective building regs
>> problems.
>
> OK. I've no intention of selling - I wouldn't have replaced the boiler if
> I had.
Nothing to worry about then...
>> * IIUC the window of time where a LA can take any enforcement action on
>> building regs violations is short, and since your system complies anyway
>> there would be nothing for them to take action over. That even assumes
>> they had the will - which seems unlikely.
> Great. I put in a larger window at the same time. Wonder what I've not
> done that I should have with this. ;-)
Same thing... building regs Part something or other (I lose track of the
alphabet soup of pointless regulation that has flowed forth in recent
years). You need to be a member of FENSA or go the building notice route
to replace a window. (although you can repair one with impunity however)
(stats suggest that to all intents and purposes no one bothers taking
any notice of this one).
Ed Sirett
> In message <aCh4k.38526$X6....@newsfe30.ams2>, John Stumbles
> <john.s...@ntlworld.com> writes
>>On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:03:50 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-06-11 20:33:00 +0100, John Stumbles <john.stumbles@ntlw
>>>orld.com> said:
>>
>>>> CORGI don't describe them (us) as such: it was the term used by the
>>>> OP. CORGI's current term is "Installer" (as in Registered Installer,
>>>> as in Council Of Registered Gas Installers = CORGI)
>>>
>>> It almost makes you not want to be involved if that were possible.
>>
>>What, because of the name? I could get pedantic about the fact that I do
>>repairs, maintenance and inspection as well as installing but life's too
>>short :-)
>>
>>> The diligent and experienced person effectively has the same status as
>>> the 17 year old who can only just about manage to solder.
>>
>>A plumbing qualification is a prerequisite for the gas training (which
>>of course absolutely guarantees that the person will have appropriate
>>plumbing skills ... just as a driving licence guarantees that a person
>>is a competent driver [sigh]) but ability to solder and other basic
>>plumbing skills aren't part of the gas assessment.
>>
>>Actually the driving analogy (s/solder/drive/ in what you said) is
>>interesting, but with the gas thing you get assessed on your work every
>>year or two and have to re-do the whole assessment every 5 years. That's
>>a model I'd like to see on the roads: discuss [ducks :-)]
>>
> So how did the CORGI who was fitting a fan and PCB I supplied to his
> customer need me to explain to him how to test an air pressure switch
>
> today that is
>
> So, the customer had paid for a pcb and fan and, because of his
> misdiagnosis, they weren't the fault
>
> a) lucky they bought from me because of
> i) price
> ii) backup
>
> b) I dread to think what his driving's like if I have to follow your
> analogy
IIRC the assessments have alot about recognising load of obsolete gas
controls but very little on modern stuff. The other side of assessment is
the certified work record. However this is eroded becasue
a) The on the job training can be very patchy.
b) The assessment centres are competeing with each other to see who can
offer entry on the basis of the smallest work record.
--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
John Stumbles
> So how did the CORGI who was fitting a fan and PCB I supplied to his
> customer need me to explain to him how to test an air pressure switch
Presumably because he hadn't half a clue about fault-finding, which isn't
part of either the training or prerequisites for ACS. However he should
have been competent at testing that the boiler was effectively sealed and
not leaking POCs into the room after he'd done the fan :-|
> I dread to think what his driving's like if I have to follow your
analogy
Prolly still hogging the middle lane. Saw on the gogglebox an age ago
about someplace in India where the traffic makes Keystone Cops look like a
sedate country spin, but the learner drivers' test course is a completely
empty stretch of tarmac about 100 yards long with a slight wiggle partway
along. This country's driving test is like that in that learners get a
full licence without once having driven on a motorway.
And (to get rather circuitously back to the point (whatever it was :-)))
you can get a full ACS and CORGI registration without having a clue about
fault-finding problems unless they're directly related to combustion
safety.
--
John Stumbles
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous
John Stumbles
> After getting 3 quotes for what seemed ( to me ) to be absolute rip-off
> prices and being told that "if you don't use a corgi reg fitter you will
> die.... its that simple mate " I then went ahead and fitted my own combi
> boiler. I had never even plumbed a tap before in my life nor changed a tap
> washer, none of those technical things, what I do have is common sense. The
> best quote I had was £500 labour and was told it would take 2 days due to it
> not being a the same make of boiler out as in. I did it myself in 6 hours
> without any experience and having to go buy a couple tools and standard tea
> breaks..... oh and it cost me £25.00. That was 18 months ago and I'm still
> here to tell the tail.
Oh dear.
How did you check that the pipework was properly sized for your combi, and
check the working gas pressure at the boiler?
How did you verify the integrity of your gas pipework?
What sort of soldering flux did you use on it and how did you apply it?
And what did you do to each joint after you'd soldered it?
What did you do with the pipe where it passed through any solid walls?
How did you make non-soldered joints?
What cleanser did you use to flush the system with? And what inhibitor did
you put it in after it was properly flushed?
What system controls did you end up with? How many TRVs did you have to
add to radiators to bring it up to current Building Regs energy efficiency
standards?
> I have
> also been told that if I rewire my house "you will die....its that simple
> mate" Guess what my next job is........
Where do you live? Just so I can keep clear ...
--
John Stumbles
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