Plastering adhesive
Stephen
sandstone cement.
A bit in relation to my other tiling post.
Basically removed some tiles form around the bath and a lot of plasterboard
decided to join them.
Theres a gap of about 3 inches to fill. I was just thinking if I can buy a
bag of something mix it up and fill the big gap and and then tile it ?
just not sure what to use to fill the deep-ish area. The chap in wickes said
just buy a bag of plastering adhesive, and straight edge, and mix it up and
"slap it on" and just drag a straight edge over the lot and leave it to dry
over the weekend ? as its a lot of filler being used not normally used in
that level of thickness so longer drying time needed or said put it on about
1.5 inches-ish at a time and let it dry and build it up to surface level ?
What do you think I should do ?
Stuart Noble
I think you should postpone the tiling.
Stephen
"Stuart Noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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How do you think I should proceed from here Stuart ?
Maybe buy a bag of plaster and build the layers up slowly ?
Advice welcomed as obviously :) I'm out of my knowledge depth, but ready and
willing to have a go :)
Cicero
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Buy a bag of 'Onecoat' plaster from Wickes. It's cheap, easy to use and
lasts in the bag for months.
Cic.
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The Natural Philosopher
he's not wrong., but for speed, use carlite bonding plaster (rock hard
in a couple of hours), and stuff the hole with newspaper first.
> What do you think I should do ?
>
No comment. Its too tempting...
>
Stuart Noble
through it, you'll have to replace it. If it's just the odd hole you
could plaster as suggested.
I don't know who's doing your tiling but fixing to plasterboard is a
hell of a lot quicker than uneven plaster, and you'll get a better job.
Stephen
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Hehe I think I have over stayed my welcomed and have got annoying.
John Rumm
> Can you use plastering adhesive like a filler, or do you need something like
> sandstone cement.
Not sure what plastering adhesive is. Plasterboard adhesive, could be
used as a filler at a pinch, but there are better choices.
Any chance you could photograph the wall in its current state so that we
can see what you are dealing with?
> A bit in relation to my other tiling post.
>
> Basically removed some tiles form around the bath and a lot of plasterboard
> decided to join them.
>
> Theres a gap of about 3 inches to fill. I was just thinking if I can buy a
> bag of something mix it up and fill the big gap and and then tile it ?
>
> just not sure what to use to fill the deep-ish area. The chap in wickes said
> just buy a bag of plastering adhesive, and straight edge, and mix it up and
> "slap it on" and just drag a straight edge over the lot and leave it to dry
> over the weekend ? as its a lot of filler being used not normally used in
> that level of thickness so longer drying time needed or said put it on about
> 1.5 inches-ish at a time and let it dry and build it up to surface level ?
>
> What do you think I should do ?
For under tiles, you can get away with putting it on thick. You may get
surface cracks as it dries, but you don't care if tiling over.
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David WE Roberts
"Stephen" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Nobody so far has mentioned sand and cement (can be bought in small bags for
a couple of quid ready mixed - just add water).
A lot of bathrooms are rendered from new when they are going to be tiled -
quicker and cheaper than plastering - and you are not looking for a smooth
finish to paint or wallpaper.
It all depends on the size of hole you are trying to fill.
Small and shallow holes can be filled with any general purpose filler, as
already discussed.
Deeper holes are more of a problem when filling with plaster or similar; you
have to part fill then wait for the filler to harden before you put on
another layer. You can normally fill deeper holes with sand/cement in one
go. However this is not magic - just a coarser mix which will fill slightly
deeper. For really big holes you would need two layers of sand/cement or
fill most of the hole with sand/cement then finish off with a thin layer of
plaster or filler.
As posted already, if it is plasterboard that has fallen out then one option
is to fill in with plasterboard but as you only need a bit there will be a
lot of wastage.
One potential problem - if you do really have plasterboard and not plaster
then the surrounding plasterboard is going to get damp when you fill the
hole.
You need to be very sure that it is dry and sound before you tile over it or
you are likely to have problems in the future.
The advice to postpone your tiling until you are sure you have a sound base
seems good.
Cheers
Dave R
The Natural Philosopher
>
> "Stephen" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:hiqblk$g4c$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Can you use plastering adhesive like a filler, or do you need
>> something like sandstone cement.
>>
>> A bit in relation to my other tiling post.
>>
>> Basically removed some tiles form around the bath and a lot of
>> plasterboard decided to join them.
>>
>> Theres a gap of about 3 inches to fill. I was just thinking if I can
>> buy a bag of something mix it up and fill the big gap and and then
>> tile it ?
>>
>> just not sure what to use to fill the deep-ish area. The chap in
>> wickes said just buy a bag of plastering adhesive, and straight edge,
>> and mix it up and "slap it on" and just drag a straight edge over the
>> lot and leave it to dry over the weekend ? as its a lot of filler
>> being used not normally used in that level of thickness so longer
>> drying time needed or said put it on about 1.5 inches-ish at a time
>> and let it dry and build it up to surface level ?
>
> Nobody so far has mentioned sand and cement (can be bought in small bags
> for a couple of quid ready mixed - just add water).
>
That because its a truly crap idea.
> A lot of bathrooms are rendered from new when they are going to be tiled
> - quicker and cheaper than plastering - and you are not looking for a
> smooth finish to paint or wallpaper.
>
it may be cheap, but thats all. it will take at least a day to go off,
and its likelyy to buger up plasterbord and crack anyway over it.
> It all depends on the size of hole you are trying to fill.
>
> Small and shallow holes can be filled with any general purpose filler,
> as already discussed.
>
> Deeper holes are more of a problem when filling with plaster or similar;
> you have to part fill then wait for the filler to harden before you put
> on another layer. You can normally fill deeper holes with sand/cement in
> one go. However this is not magic - just a coarser mix which will fill
> slightly deeper. For really big holes you would need two layers of
> sand/cement or fill most of the hole with sand/cement then finish off
> with a thin layer of plaster or filler.
>
this is bollocks.
bonding plaster can go one in really deep sections, and you dont need a
good finish for tiling. Just reasonably level. and you can fill the
gaping holes with stuffed up newspaper.
> As posted already, if it is plasterboard that has fallen out then one
> option is to fill in with plasterboard but as you only need a bit there
> will be a lot of wastage.
>
have you ever actually repaired a stud wall?
> One potential problem - if you do really have plasterboard and not
> plaster then the surrounding plasterboard is going to get damp when you
> fill the hole.
So fucking what?
> You need to be very sure that it is dry and sound before you tile over
> it or you are likely to have problems in the future.
>
Totally bollocks.
> The advice to postpone your tiling until you are sure you have a sound
> base seems good.
>
complete crap.
tiling involves making a wall pretty damned wet. The cement has to dry
out. It does. You can tile straight onto plasterboard. It doesn't fall
apart.
plaster sets rather than dries, so plaster really doesn't have to 'dry
out' especially bonding plaster. Its only when you are trying to get a
very fine finish that you use a LOT of water on a plastered wall.
I think that everything you have said is probably worse than useless.
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
David WE Roberts
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> David WE Roberts wrote:
<snip load of drunken braindead rant>
> have you ever actually repaired a stud wall?
Hmmm....first time anyone has mentioned a stud wall.
First time through I picked up a mention of brick from Tim W. which helped
to mislead me.
If the OP is repairing a stud wall made from plasterboard and wood then
obviously the method will be different from repairing a brick/block wall
covered with plaster.
At the time I responded I hadn't picked up on the previous thread either - I
was just thinking back to the times I have had to patch a wall where plaster
etc. had come away.
So my response only applies to solid walls (which you probably do not have).
It's a fair cop :-)
Cheers
Dave R
David WE Roberts
"Tim W" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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> David WE Roberts <nos...@talk21.com>
> wibbled on Saturday 16 January 2010 08:48
>
>>
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hiqtgu$qpk$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> David WE Roberts wrote:
>> <snip load of drunken braindead rant>
>>> have you ever actually repaired a stud wall?
>> <sigh>
>>
>> Hmmm....first time anyone has mentioned a stud wall.
>> First time through I picked up a mention of brick from Tim W. which
>> helped
>> to mislead me.
:-) Just read the latest thread from Stephen and I retract my retraction.
:-)
Not a stud wall at all, but a brick wall with 'dot and dab' plaster board on
top.