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jim
Oct 13, 2016, 5:04:44 PM10/13/16
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newshound
Oct 14, 2016, 7:34:14 AM10/14/16
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On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
>
> looks good
> £150
> From 16/10
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Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
>
> looks good
> £150
> From 16/10
>
http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
Tim+
Oct 14, 2016, 8:17:39 AM10/14/16
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impatience.
Tim
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newshound
Oct 14, 2016, 10:39:41 AM10/14/16
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me away. OTOH it would be handy to have something to deal with logs with
large knots or junctions.
Tim+
Oct 14, 2016, 10:47:13 AM10/14/16
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jim
Oct 14, 2016, 10:57:26 AM10/14/16
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Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
The figure might include loading and unloading, or multiple splits
on one log?
How quick should a diy log splitter go in your experience?
on one log?
How quick should a diy log splitter go in your experience?
Bill Taylor
Oct 14, 2016, 11:41:51 AM10/14/16
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and most logs don't need to use the full stroke, they'll split with
the wedge 2-3 inches into the log, and you can then retract the wedge.
Difficult logs may need the full stroke, but they'd be difficult and
slow with manual methods as well.
harry
Oct 14, 2016, 11:44:28 AM10/14/16
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The Natural Philosopher
Oct 14, 2016, 11:54:21 AM10/14/16
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GB
Oct 14, 2016, 1:16:23 PM10/14/16
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Does anyone know the advantage of a hydraulic system compared to an
electric screw drive?
Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system? Or is it
purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing them out?
I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long screw
thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a gearbox, and
that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
electric screw drive?
Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system? Or is it
purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing them out?
I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long screw
thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a gearbox, and
that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
Bill
Oct 14, 2016, 1:28:50 PM10/14/16
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In message <ntqv3b$r97$2...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
Well my son has something a bit like the Lidl splitter and has got fed
up with the time it takes.
He ordered the bits for something like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXmsj8Nlkg
and I taught myself the very basics of LibreCAD to draw up plans so that
the man who has welded up a lot of bits for the boat could assemble it.
Unfortunately, when,3 weeks ago, he rang to say it was ready up to the
stage where we could try splitting a few logs, but just needed a keyway
for the motor to be trimmed to fit, we were unable to go for a test run.
In the same call he also said he was in hospital the next day for a
major operation and would call when he got out.
It needs his heavy lifting gear to deliver it. I don't like to ring.
--
Bill
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
up with the time it takes.
He ordered the bits for something like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXmsj8Nlkg
and I taught myself the very basics of LibreCAD to draw up plans so that
the man who has welded up a lot of bits for the boat could assemble it.
Unfortunately, when,3 weeks ago, he rang to say it was ready up to the
stage where we could try splitting a few logs, but just needed a keyway
for the motor to be trimmed to fit, we were unable to go for a test run.
In the same call he also said he was in hospital the next day for a
major operation and would call when he got out.
It needs his heavy lifting gear to deliver it. I don't like to ring.
--
Bill
Rod Speed
Oct 14, 2016, 2:01:16 PM10/14/16
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"jim" <k> wrote in message
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there is no reason why a diy one couldn't do just as well.
Rod Speed
Oct 14, 2016, 2:23:00 PM10/14/16
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Rod Speed
Oct 14, 2016, 2:48:11 PM10/14/16
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GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote
> Does anyone know the advantage of a hydraulic system compared to an
> electric screw drive?
You don’t get shit in the screw drive.
> Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system?
Much more reliable.
> Or is it purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing
> them out?
Nope. One obvious difference is the maintenance hassle difference.
> I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long screw
> thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a gearbox, and
> that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
And the hydraulic system can use standard components.
> Does anyone know the advantage of a hydraulic system compared to an
> electric screw drive?
> Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system?
> Or is it purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing
> them out?
> I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long screw
> thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a gearbox, and
> that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
Tim Lamb
Oct 14, 2016, 4:10:10 PM10/14/16
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In message <ntr3sj$jg1$1...@dont-email.me>, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
writes
I suppose either system could require both hands on switches/levers for
safety purposes.
I assume a screw drive would need to run in reverse for the return
stroke whereas the hydraulics simply reverse the fluid flow direction.
Screw drive will incur friction losses under load.
I have said here before the Hycrack splitter I use goes on a 40HP
tractor pto so is likely to need 5-10HP for knotty stuff. The tapered
screw can rotate the log so care is needed with hand position:-)
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Tim Lamb
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safety purposes.
I assume a screw drive would need to run in reverse for the return
stroke whereas the hydraulics simply reverse the fluid flow direction.
Screw drive will incur friction losses under load.
I have said here before the Hycrack splitter I use goes on a 40HP
tractor pto so is likely to need 5-10HP for knotty stuff. The tapered
screw can rotate the log so care is needed with hand position:-)
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>
>
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Tim Lamb
jim
Oct 14, 2016, 5:04:45 PM10/14/16
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John Rumm
Oct 14, 2016, 5:34:26 PM10/14/16
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On 14/10/2016 13:17, Tim+ wrote:
> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
>>>
>>> looks good
>>> £150
>>> From 16/10
>>>
>>
>> Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
>>
>> http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
>>
>
> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
> impatience.
I have the same model - branded differently and painted red.
> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
>>>
>>> looks good
>>> £150
>>> From 16/10
>>>
>>
>> Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
>>
>> http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
>>
>
> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
> impatience.
The 36 secs is the time for full travel of the (quite long) bed. There
is a stop that you can engage anywhere you choose to prevent the ram
returning to the home position, so you can lock it close to the length
of log that you are splitting. Hence its only a few seconds of travel to
split the next log.
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Cheers,
John.
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John Rumm
Oct 14, 2016, 5:37:24 PM10/14/16
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On 14/10/2016 21:05, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <ntr3sj$jg1$1...@dont-email.me>, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
> writes
>> Does anyone know the advantage of a hydraulic system compared to an
>> electric screw drive?
>>
>> Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system? Or is it
>> purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing them
>> out? I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long
>> screw thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a
>> gearbox, and that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
>
> I suppose either system could require both hands on switches/levers for
> safety purposes.
>
> I assume a screw drive would need to run in reverse for the return
> stroke whereas the hydraulics simply reverse the fluid flow direction.
This one has spring return - once you stop pumping the ram returns to
> In message <ntr3sj$jg1$1...@dont-email.me>, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
> writes
>> Does anyone know the advantage of a hydraulic system compared to an
>> electric screw drive?
>>
>> Is there some fundamental advantage of the hydraulic system? Or is it
>> purely a matter of designing the two alternatives and costing them
>> out? I suppose a long piston is a lot cheaper to machine than a long
>> screw thread. That sort of thing. The screw design would need a
>> gearbox, and that sort of cancels out the cost of the hydraulic pump.
>
> I suppose either system could require both hands on switches/levers for
> safety purposes.
>
> I assume a screw drive would need to run in reverse for the return
> stroke whereas the hydraulics simply reverse the fluid flow direction.
the home position (unless you use the lock to keep it partly extended)
jim
Oct 14, 2016, 5:43:31 PM10/14/16
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John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> Wrote in message:
> On 14/10/2016 13:17, Tim+ wrote:
>> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> looks good
>>>> £150
>>>> From 16/10
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
>>>
>>> http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
>>>
>>
>> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
>> impatience.
>
> I have the same model - branded differently and painted red.
>
> The 36 secs is the time for full travel of the (quite long) bed. There
> is a stop that you can engage anywhere you choose to prevent the ram
> returning to the home position, so you can lock it close to the length
> of log that you are splitting. Hence its only a few seconds of travel to
> split the next log.
>
>
+1
>> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> looks good
>>>> £150
>>>> From 16/10
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
>>>
>>> http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
>>>
>>
>> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
>> impatience.
>
> I have the same model - branded differently and painted red.
>
> The 36 secs is the time for full travel of the (quite long) bed. There
> is a stop that you can engage anywhere you choose to prevent the ram
> returning to the home position, so you can lock it close to the length
> of log that you are splitting. Hence its only a few seconds of travel to
> split the next log.
>
>
tabb...@gmail.com
Oct 14, 2016, 6:48:08 PM10/14/16
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On Friday, 14 October 2016 13:17:39 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> > On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
> >> looks good
> >> £150
> >> From 16/10
> >>
> >
> > Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
> >
> > http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
> >
>
> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
> impatience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVAAx3mMKY
> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> > On 10/13/2016 10:04 PM, jim wrote:
> >> looks good
> >> £150
> >> From 16/10
> >>
> >
> > Oh no. I do enjoy swinging my axe, but can I resist it?
> >
> > http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37906
> >
>
> I think 36 seconds a log to split them would drive you crazy with
> impatience.
Sorted.
NT
ne...@loampitsfarm.co.uk
Oct 15, 2016, 5:11:43 AM10/15/16
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:16:19 +0100, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
There is a bit of confusion about screw drive, this video shows what I
think you mean, the splitter is at the opposite end of the tractor to
the saw and the anvil is driven by a half nut which is released after
the split, I do wonder if it would release if jammed on a knotty bit.
Return is by spring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gSGQPpQ6P4#t=83
IMO this would have the efficiency of a worm drive which I gather
varies greatly between 50 -90%. I gather hydraulic drives fall below
70%.
However hydraulic drives have better control and 6.5 tonnes of
pressure is adequate for most simple splitting. I use an axe at home
though I have both hydraulic and screw splitter. By screw splitter I
mean the type Tim refers to, mine is also on the back of a 35 hp
tractor pto.
I prefer the hydraulic one because it produces a much cleaner cut, the
screw splitter tears into the wood and often doesn't separate the two
bits because of stringy fibres. I find on some woods, holly in
particular it bores a hole and then gives up on a log which the
hydraulic splitter has no problems with. It does split particularly
knotty stuff which the hydraulic one stalls on but the log is often
too misshapen to get into the stove without further sawing.
Screw splitters are good on a small 360 digger for breaking down
oversize cordwood for the wood processor.
The screw splitter is also intent on removing fingers, finger nails,
hands and arms of the unwary, I have almost grown back a finger nail
lost when picking a split log off the screw and finding it wasn't
quite split as it snapped shut again.
AJH
wrote:
think you mean, the splitter is at the opposite end of the tractor to
the saw and the anvil is driven by a half nut which is released after
the split, I do wonder if it would release if jammed on a knotty bit.
Return is by spring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gSGQPpQ6P4#t=83
IMO this would have the efficiency of a worm drive which I gather
varies greatly between 50 -90%. I gather hydraulic drives fall below
70%.
However hydraulic drives have better control and 6.5 tonnes of
pressure is adequate for most simple splitting. I use an axe at home
though I have both hydraulic and screw splitter. By screw splitter I
mean the type Tim refers to, mine is also on the back of a 35 hp
tractor pto.
I prefer the hydraulic one because it produces a much cleaner cut, the
screw splitter tears into the wood and often doesn't separate the two
bits because of stringy fibres. I find on some woods, holly in
particular it bores a hole and then gives up on a log which the
hydraulic splitter has no problems with. It does split particularly
knotty stuff which the hydraulic one stalls on but the log is often
too misshapen to get into the stove without further sawing.
Screw splitters are good on a small 360 digger for breaking down
oversize cordwood for the wood processor.
The screw splitter is also intent on removing fingers, finger nails,
hands and arms of the unwary, I have almost grown back a finger nail
lost when picking a split log off the screw and finding it wasn't
quite split as it snapped shut again.
AJH
Tim Lamb
Oct 15, 2016, 7:31:17 AM10/15/16
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In message <2jr30ctc5m9avtfqu...@4ax.com>,
ne...@loampitsfarm.co.uk writes
I wear gloves!
Would the video be an early Farmall tractor?
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Tim Lamb
ne...@loampitsfarm.co.uk writes
Would the video be an early Farmall tractor?
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Tim Lamb
ne...@loampitsfarm.co.uk
Oct 15, 2016, 7:48:27 AM10/15/16
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 11:55:26 +0100, Tim Lamb
<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Would the video be an early Farmall tractor?
Pass. It's the same shape but the air intake is stuck on the front
<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Would the video be an early Farmall tractor?
nearside and I've never seen one with spade lug solid wheels, it
looks pre 39-45
AJH
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