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why do hacksaws cut on the pull?
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RobertL
May 20, 2015, 6:40:09 AM5/20/15
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AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw where the cut is done on the down stroke.
I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
Robert
Tricky Dicky
May 20, 2015, 7:09:18 AM5/20/15
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Sorry to disagree, the terms are forward and backstroke and the blade should be inserted to cut on the forward stroke. Some people put the blade of a junior hacksaw in reverse, especially the cheap bent metal bar type as it keeps it in tension better. Your reference to upstroke and downstrokes makes me think you are confusing hacksaws with piercing saws and fret saws, both of these have the blades reversed when used in conjunction with a "jewellers vice" which is normally a piece of wood attached to and overhanging a bench edge with a Vee cut into it.
Richard
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RobertL
May 20, 2015, 7:21:48 AM5/20/15
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On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 12:09:18 PM UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> Sorry to disagree, the terms are forward and backstroke and the blade should be inserted to cut on the forward stroke. Some people put the blade of a junior hacksaw in reverse, especially the cheap bent metal bar type as it keeps it in tension better. Your reference to upstroke and downstrokes makes me think you are confusing hacksaws with piercing saws and fret saws, both of these have the blades reversed when used in conjunction with a "jewellers vice" which is normally a piece of wood attached to and overhanging a bench edge with a Vee cut into it.
>
> Richard
Aha, thank you. Somehow I had it into my head (from childhood) that the hacksaw blade was the other way. I'll go and change it round and stop being puzzled.
> Sorry to disagree, the terms are forward and backstroke and the blade should be inserted to cut on the forward stroke. Some people put the blade of a junior hacksaw in reverse, especially the cheap bent metal bar type as it keeps it in tension better. Your reference to upstroke and downstrokes makes me think you are confusing hacksaws with piercing saws and fret saws, both of these have the blades reversed when used in conjunction with a "jewellers vice" which is normally a piece of wood attached to and overhanging a bench edge with a Vee cut into it.
>
> Richard
Robert
michael adams
May 20, 2015, 7:38:11 AM5/20/15
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> Aha, thank you. Somehow I had it into my head (from childhood) that the
> hacksaw blade was the other way. I'll go and change it round and stop
> being puzzled.
> Robert
Most saws cut on the push stroke because that way its easier
to generate power and align the saw on the correct path
as you're looking in that direction.
Japanese wood saws on the other hand all cut on the back stroke,
the only advantage being that the blades can be made much thinner
and so cut a narrower kerf. There was a vogue for Japanese
hand tools a while back. They cost three or four times
the cost of their western equivalents although whether this
was just a coincidence or not, is not for me to say.
Although hacksaw and bowsaw blades are relatively thin because
they're held in tension in frames, they don't buckle when pushed
as they otherwise would do.
michael adams
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John Rumm
May 20, 2015, 7:56:26 AM5/20/15
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prefer them with the blade reversed. The pad saw type (with a length of
unsupported blade poking out the end), may benefit from having the blade
cutting on the pull since it makes it less likely you will bend the end.
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Bill Wright
May 20, 2015, 8:42:31 AM5/20/15
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used to help my dad fix TV aerials. One day while he was in the shop
collecting the aerials I decided to replace the blade in the junior
hacksaw in my pocket. I did it the wrong way round but wasn't sure, and
when dad re-appeared he put me right.
Why do I remember that 50 years later?
Bill
Bill Wright
May 20, 2015, 8:44:17 AM5/20/15
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John Rumm wrote:
> On 20/05/2015 11:40, RobertL wrote:
>>
>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts
>> as you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon
>> saw where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>
>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>
> Generally they are usually set to cut on the push, but some people
> prefer them with the blade reversed. The pad saw type (with a length of
> unsupported blade poking out the end), may benefit from having the blade
> cutting on the pull since it makes it less likely you will bend the end.
>
>
Some blades have symmetrical teeth so they cut, inefficiently, on both
> On 20/05/2015 11:40, RobertL wrote:
>>
>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts
>> as you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon
>> saw where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>
>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>
> Generally they are usually set to cut on the push, but some people
> prefer them with the blade reversed. The pad saw type (with a length of
> unsupported blade poking out the end), may benefit from having the blade
> cutting on the pull since it makes it less likely you will bend the end.
>
>
push and pull.
Bill
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May 20, 2015, 8:58:41 AM5/20/15
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On Wednesday, 20 May 2015 12:38:11 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
> "RobertL" <rober...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f9986d86-17db-4d78...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
> > Aha, thank you. Somehow I had it into my head (from childhood) that the
> > hacksaw blade was the other way. I'll go and change it round and stop
> > being puzzled.
>
> > Robert
>
> ...
>
> Most saws cut on the push stroke because that way its easier
> to generate power and align the saw on the correct path
> as you're looking in that direction.
>
>
> Japanese wood saws on the other hand all cut on the back stroke,
> the only advantage being that the blades can be made much thinner
> and so cut a narrower kerf. There was a vogue for Japanese
> hand tools a while back. They cost three or four times
> the cost of their western equivalents although whether this
> was just a coincidence or not, is not for me to say.
the advantage of a thin kerf is much less total energy used to do the job.
> "RobertL" <rober...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f9986d86-17db-4d78...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
> > Aha, thank you. Somehow I had it into my head (from childhood) that the
> > hacksaw blade was the other way. I'll go and change it round and stop
> > being puzzled.
>
> > Robert
>
> ...
>
> Most saws cut on the push stroke because that way its easier
> to generate power and align the saw on the correct path
> as you're looking in that direction.
>
>
> Japanese wood saws on the other hand all cut on the back stroke,
> the only advantage being that the blades can be made much thinner
> and so cut a narrower kerf. There was a vogue for Japanese
> hand tools a while back. They cost three or four times
> the cost of their western equivalents although whether this
> was just a coincidence or not, is not for me to say.
NT
F Murtz
May 20, 2015, 9:18:06 AM5/20/15
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teeth then get coarser toward the back, they are still available but
rare and fairly expensive ?
Nightjar .me.uk>
May 20, 2015, 10:16:20 AM5/20/15
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On 20/05/2015 13:42, Bill Wright wrote:
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> Odd how some things stick in your memory. When I was 12, 13, 14, 15 I
> used to help my dad fix TV aerials. One day while he was in the shop
> collecting the aerials I decided to replace the blade in the junior
> hacksaw in my pocket. I did it the wrong way round but wasn't sure, and
> when dad re-appeared he put me right.
>
> Why do I remember that 50 years later?
Memory reinforced by the traditional clip around the ear?
> used to help my dad fix TV aerials. One day while he was in the shop
> collecting the aerials I decided to replace the blade in the junior
> hacksaw in my pocket. I did it the wrong way round but wasn't sure, and
> when dad re-appeared he put me right.
>
> Why do I remember that 50 years later?
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TomSawer
May 20, 2015, 11:02:12 AM5/20/15
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On 20/05/2015 11:40, RobertL wrote:
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dennis@home
May 20, 2015, 11:36:49 AM5/20/15
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On 20/05/2015 11:40, RobertL wrote:
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Tim Lamb
May 20, 2015, 1:51:11 PM5/20/15
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In message <hZ-dnRFLhqevCsHI...@giganews.com>, Nightjar
<cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> writes
Cutting thin tube might be best on the back stroke.
AFAIK workshop reciprocating saws are set up this way. Well, mine is:-)
The mechanism reduces the blade pressure on the out stroke with a fancy
flutter valve immersed in oil gismo.
>
>
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AFAIK workshop reciprocating saws are set up this way. Well, mine is:-)
The mechanism reduces the blade pressure on the out stroke with a fancy
flutter valve immersed in oil gismo.
>
>
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dennis@home
May 20, 2015, 2:43:14 PM5/20/15
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On 20/05/2015 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
> AFAIK workshop reciprocating saws are set up this way. Well, mine is:-)
> The mechanism reduces the blade pressure on the out stroke with a fancy
> flutter valve immersed in oil gismo.
>>
>>
>
Don't most workshop saws have a quick return stroke so you want to cut
> AFAIK workshop reciprocating saws are set up this way. Well, mine is:-)
> The mechanism reduces the blade pressure on the out stroke with a fancy
> flutter valve immersed in oil gismo.
>>
>>
>
on the slow stroke which is usually to the fixed vice jaw at the rear.
Rod Speed
May 20, 2015, 3:42:22 PM5/20/15
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things that happened at that time.
When I was a little kid, preschool or close, what used to
be called my maiden aunt came for a visit in some stinking
hot weather and I can still remember being shocked that
she would drink tea in that situation and what the adults
said was the reason for doing that.
Brian-Gaff
May 20, 2015, 3:49:43 PM5/20/15
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I've used it both ways around, depending on the job, so I'd argue that
cutting on the pull is standard, cos there aint no standard. the place
needing to be cut and the ergonomics of the situation dictate what you do
quite often.
Brian
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cutting on the pull is standard, cos there aint no standard. the place
needing to be cut and the ergonomics of the situation dictate what you do
quite often.
Brian
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Tim Lamb
May 21, 2015, 4:16:50 AM5/21/15
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In message <555cd5c0$0$10061$b1db1813$ba2d...@news.astraweb.com>,
"dennis@home" <den...@nowhere.invalid> writes
Mine is a simple crank drive. The front jaw is the fixed one. Likely to
be even older than the user:-)
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be even older than the user:-)
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May 21, 2015, 10:52:59 AM5/21/15
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On 20/05/2015 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
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Graham.
May 21, 2015, 6:15:27 PM5/21/15
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On Wed, 20 May 2015 13:42:25 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
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When I was about 8 or 9 my dad bought me a junior hacksaw from Mr
Saul's hardware shop across the road.
A very memorable occasion. Almost a rite of passage. I had a very
sheltered upbringing.
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Saul's hardware shop across the road.
A very memorable occasion. Almost a rite of passage. I had a very
sheltered upbringing.
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Tim Lamb
May 22, 2015, 3:46:34 AM5/22/15
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In message <4olsla1jb7ond7392...@4ax.com>, Graham.
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We were holidaying in Felixtowe and I was desperate to get home and try
out my saw:-)
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>
>When I was about 8 or 9 my dad bought me a junior hacksaw from Mr
>Saul's hardware shop across the road.
>A very memorable occasion. Almost a rite of passage. I had a very
>sheltered upbringing.
Me too! Although I don't remember the source.
>When I was about 8 or 9 my dad bought me a junior hacksaw from Mr
>Saul's hardware shop across the road.
>A very memorable occasion. Almost a rite of passage. I had a very
>sheltered upbringing.
We were holidaying in Felixtowe and I was desperate to get home and try
out my saw:-)
>
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Well, I've tried the blade both ways, and prefer it to cut on the push
myself. the pull then cleans out the debris.
I usually break the blade if I set it to cut on the pull, since the rigid
handle, I assume is not so forgiving as the other end and twang, it breaks.
Maybe I'm just an awkward sod.
Brian
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myself. the pull then cleans out the debris.
I usually break the blade if I set it to cut on the pull, since the rigid
handle, I assume is not so forgiving as the other end and twang, it breaks.
Maybe I'm just an awkward sod.
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Well some of the more flimsy junior hacksaws can work better if you fit the
blade so they cut on the pull, as the springyness of the other side can mean
that if it snags, the blade breaks or falls out.
Often, also it much depends on what you are cutting and access, but the
fact still remains that cutting on the down stroke gives more force to the
cut to keep it in the slot.
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blade so they cut on the pull, as the springyness of the other side can mean
that if it snags, the blade breaks or falls out.
Often, also it much depends on what you are cutting and access, but the
fact still remains that cutting on the down stroke gives more force to the
cut to keep it in the slot.
Brian
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> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
wasbit
Jun 19, 2023, 5:35:53 AM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
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Clive Arthur
Jun 19, 2023, 5:51:43 AM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 08:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
>
That surprises me. I can see there might be occasions when you'd want
> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
>
to cut on the pull, but I was taught that the teeth should point
forwards, and Googling "What is the correct direction for a hacksaw
blade?" supports this view.
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Fredxx
Jun 19, 2023, 6:19:28 AM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 08:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
Not the ones I have. They are generally designed with the blade oriented
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
to cut on the push. The idea is that there is an additional downwards
force on the blade from the angle of the 'push'. It is common to start a
cut by 'pulling' for a few cuts to make a slot to minimise wander on
forward cuts.
The only articles I have seen where cutting on the pull is done is for
soft materials.
Perhaps you just cut soft materials like an art student?
SteveW
Jun 19, 2023, 8:46:12 AM6/19/23
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push helps keep it down and cutting), with the blade pre-tensioned to
prevent it buckling.
Fredxx
Jun 19, 2023, 9:49:48 AM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
a pull.
Rob H
Jun 19, 2023, 1:50:46 PM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
them
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since my apprenticeship.
Rod Speed
Jun 19, 2023, 3:23:35 PM6/19/23
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:50:17 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts
>>>> as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
BULLSHIT
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts
>>>> as
>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>
>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
Rod Speed
Jun 19, 2023, 3:32:48 PM6/19/23
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Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote
> Well, I've tried the blade both ways,
I havent bothered.
> and prefer it to cut on the push myself.
Me too, essentially because you can apply more force in the push mode.
The obvious exception is with a power hacksaw on a hand held drill etc
but you dont have any choice on which way the blade goes in that case.
> Well, I've tried the blade both ways,
> and prefer it to cut on the push myself.
The obvious exception is with a power hacksaw on a hand held drill etc
but you dont have any choice on which way the blade goes in that case.
Rod Speed
Jun 19, 2023, 3:35:01 PM6/19/23
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Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote
> Well some of the more flimsy junior hacksaws
Never bother with flimsy ones myself.
> can work better if you fit the
> blade so they cut on the pull, as the springyness of the other side can
> mean
> that if it snags, the blade breaks or falls out.
> Often, also it much depends on what you are cutting and access, but the
> fact still remains that cutting on the down stroke gives more force to
> the
> cut to keep it in the slot.
Yep
> Well some of the more flimsy junior hacksaws
> can work better if you fit the
> blade so they cut on the pull, as the springyness of the other side can
> mean
> that if it snags, the blade breaks or falls out.
> Often, also it much depends on what you are cutting and access, but the
> fact still remains that cutting on the down stroke gives more force to
> the
> cut to keep it in the slot.
Rod Speed
Jun 19, 2023, 3:46:34 PM6/19/23
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Yep, the turnip doesnt have a clue.
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The Natural Philosopher
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The Natural Philosopher
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SteveW
Jun 19, 2023, 6:07:26 PM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 22:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 10:51, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 08:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it
>>>>>> cuts as
>>>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>>>
>>>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
>>> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
>>>
>> That surprises me. I can see there might be occasions when you'd want
>> to cut on the pull, but I was taught that the teeth should point
>> forwards, and Googling "What is the correct direction for a hacksaw
>> blade?" supports this view.
>>
> When I were a prentice learning how to work metal, that is what we were
> taught. \Google gets an opinion, not fact
Push cut was also what I was taught in the '80s.
> On 19/06/2023 10:51, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 08:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it
>>>>>> cuts as
>>>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>>>
>>>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
>>> No, hacksaws are designed to cut on the pull.
>>>
>> That surprises me. I can see there might be occasions when you'd want
>> to cut on the pull, but I was taught that the teeth should point
>> forwards, and Googling "What is the correct direction for a hacksaw
>> blade?" supports this view.
>>
> When I were a prentice learning how to work metal, that is what we were
> taught. \Google gets an opinion, not fact
NY
Jun 19, 2023, 6:21:11 PM6/19/23
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blade tends to bow between the handle and the work that you are cutting,
whereas if you fit it to cut on the pull, it remains rigid. I presume
this is because the frame is a bit flexible so if you cut on the push,
the handle end of the frame distorts towards the tension end and the
blade is no longer in tension.
A short hacksaw, with a frame which is thick (and therefore stiff)
relative to the distance between the handle and tension ends, has less
of a problem than a much longer hacksaw.
If you are cutting wood or fairly thick metal, the teeth are less likely
to bind. If you are cutting thin metal sheet which is of a similar
thickness to the pitch of the teeth, the teeth are more likely to bind
and cause a cut-on-the-push blade to buckle because of insufficient tension.
SteveW
Jun 19, 2023, 7:24:43 PM6/19/23
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On 19/06/2023 23:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 18:50, Rob H wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it
>>>>> cuts as
>>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>>
>>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
>>
>> Well I must have fitted them the wrong way round for the 45 years I
>> used them
> When I bought them, the blade was always fitted to cut on the pull
Mine have always been on the push.
> On 19/06/2023 18:50, Rob H wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 07:41, jon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:45:14 -0700, Todd Gack wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it
>>>>> cuts as
>>>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against
>>>> the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible,
>>>> and so the blade is always rigid.
>>>
>>> Because the blade has been fitted incorrectly.
>>
>> Well I must have fitted them the wrong way round for the 45 years I
>> used them
> When I bought them, the blade was always fitted to cut on the pull
I've just taken a look at RS, with them being a supplier to industry,
and they say push.
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/content/discovery/ideas-and-advice/hacksaws-guide
Where they say, "Ensure the blade is mounted in the correct direction,
facing forwards" and "Hacksaw blades should be mounted in their frames
with the teeth facing forwards. They are designed so that the blade will
cut on the push – the forward stroke – rather than the pull, or
backwards stroke."
Tim+
Jun 20, 2023, 3:26:07 AM6/20/23
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blades, that’s probably the best way. Allen Millyard has done some quite
extraordinary engine builds in his shed.
Just as an example (about 3 minutes in).
https://youtu.be/GhrLg6mZQIo
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Vir Campestris
Jun 20, 2023, 7:08:38 AM6/20/23
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On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>
> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the blade
>
> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the other end
(a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only the ease you
have in cutting.
Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it may
fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
Andy
Paul
Jun 20, 2023, 8:32:31 AM6/20/23
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On 6/18/2023 9:45 PM, Todd Gack wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>
>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>
>> Robert
>
> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible, and so the blade is always rigid.
>
https://au.rs-online.com/web/content/discovery/ideas-and-advice/hacksaws-guide
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09 PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>
>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>
>> Robert
>
> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against the stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible, and so the blade is always rigid.
>
"Does a Hacksaw Cut on the Push or the Pull?
Hacksaw blades should be mounted in their frames with the teeth facing forwards.
They are designed so that the blade will cut on the push – the forward stroke –
will sometimes be indicated by an arrow marked on the blade.
"
And that's for a fully supported hacksaw blade. A mini-hacksaw, use your
own judgment, after ruining a blade :-)
It's hard to get a picture showing the tooth profile, but the cutting
edge is closer to vertical, while the trailing edge has more of a slope.
The teeth can also be staggered from side to side.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0629/5591/3395/products/91ecWx04MtL._AC_SL1500.jpg?v=1665820762&width=1445
/
/______
\------
\ Cut on push, shape of favourite brand
--------+ +-----
| /
| /
|/
Home photography version (arrow towards right is push direction):
https://i.postimg.cc/rFzmG9SW/hacksaw-blade.jpg
It's a good thing I have some 18T blades that I don't normally use,
for photographs like this. The 32T that stays in the hacksaw,
would be very hard to photograph.
The coating on a new blade, can obscure tooth shape.
Paul
Brian Gaff
Jun 20, 2023, 10:13:55 AM6/20/23
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No the same way on the push should normally be used. This thread is the
first I've heard of cutting on the pull, Odd things you may find work better
especially if you cannot get the handle and you hand in, but generally is
push like all saws except for electric jig saws some of which have blades
made to cut both ways.
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> stroke -
first I've heard of cutting on the pull, Odd things you may find work better
especially if you cannot get the handle and you hand in, but generally is
push like all saws except for electric jig saws some of which have blades
made to cut both ways.
Brian
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> On 6/18/2023 9:45 PM, Todd Gack wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:10:09?PM UTC+9:30, RobertL wrote:
>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>
>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against the
>> stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible, and so
>> the blade is always rigid.
>>
>
> https://au.rs-online.com/web/content/discovery/ideas-and-advice/hacksaws-guide
>
> "Does a Hacksaw Cut on the Push or the Pull?
>
> Hacksaw blades should be mounted in their frames with the teeth facing
> forwards.
> They are designed so that the blade will cut on the push - the forward
>>> AIUI the convention with a hacksaw is to put the blade in so it cuts as
>>> you pull the saw upwards. This is the opposite to, say, a tenon saw
>>> where the cut is done on the down stroke.
>>>
>>> I've often wondered: is there a special reason for this difference?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Tension. When cutting on the pull the blade is always pulling against the
>> stable handle, not the tension end of the saw which is flexible, and so
>> the blade is always rigid.
>>
>
> https://au.rs-online.com/web/content/discovery/ideas-and-advice/hacksaws-guide
>
> "Does a Hacksaw Cut on the Push or the Pull?
>
> Hacksaw blades should be mounted in their frames with the teeth facing
> forwards.
> stroke -
PeterC
Jun 20, 2023, 12:52:41 PM6/20/23
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I've a couple of pull saws from Aldidl; the samall one is a pad saw and the
big one is vary good for v. narrow cuts.
Always takes a while to get used to them - and the teeth are bloody vicious!
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Jun 20, 2023, 3:59:28 PM6/20/23
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"PeterC" <giraffe...@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
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tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles and
bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the work
being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem? I've found that this has
happened with most hacksaws that I've used, and I've resorted to reversing
the blade so it cuts on the pull stroke which causes the problem to
disappear. It's worst when cutting very thin metal sheet which is a similar
thickness to the spacing of the teeth, because that often causes the teeth
to bind in the metal and the blade buckles before you have had chance to
stop pushing it forwards.
(*) Either a junior hacksaw with a fixed frame or a full-size hacksaw with a
frame in two halves which can be set to lock at various lengths to
accommodate different blades.
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> On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:08:33 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>>
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the blade
>> is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the other end
>> (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only the ease you
>> have in cutting.
>>
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it may
>> fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
>>
>> Andy
>
> The one use of pull with a hacksaw (or any other) blade is with a padsaw.
> I've a couple of pull saws from Aldidl; the small one is a pad saw and the
>
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>>
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the blade
>> is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the other end
>> (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only the ease you
>> have in cutting.
>>
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it may
>> fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
>>
>> Andy
>
> The one use of pull with a hacksaw (or any other) blade is with a padsaw.
> big one is vary good for v. narrow cuts.
> Always takes a while to get used to them - and the teeth are bloody
> vicious!
So if you have a hacksaw (*) with a push blade, and you've tightened the
> Always takes a while to get used to them - and the teeth are bloody
> vicious!
tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles and
bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the work
being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem? I've found that this has
happened with most hacksaws that I've used, and I've resorted to reversing
the blade so it cuts on the pull stroke which causes the problem to
disappear. It's worst when cutting very thin metal sheet which is a similar
thickness to the spacing of the teeth, because that often causes the teeth
to bind in the metal and the blade buckles before you have had chance to
stop pushing it forwards.
(*) Either a junior hacksaw with a fixed frame or a full-size hacksaw with a
frame in two halves which can be set to lock at various lengths to
accommodate different blades.
Tim Lamb
Jun 20, 2023, 4:53:32 PM6/20/23
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In message <u6t0es$2hasr$1...@dont-email.me>, NY <m...@privacy.invalid>
writes
My apprentice supervisor told us you must always have 3 teeth in contact
with the work. (similar rule for files)
Not a huge choice with Junior hacksaw blades but 12" come in a range of
tooth spacing.
Tim Lamb
writes
with the work. (similar rule for files)
Not a huge choice with Junior hacksaw blades but 12" come in a range of
tooth spacing.
>
>
>(*) Either a junior hacksaw with a fixed frame or a full-size hacksaw
>with a frame in two halves which can be set to lock at various lengths
>to accommodate different blades.
--
>
>(*) Either a junior hacksaw with a fixed frame or a full-size hacksaw
>with a frame in two halves which can be set to lock at various lengths
>to accommodate different blades.
Tim Lamb
The Natural Philosopher
Jun 21, 2023, 1:38:31 AM6/21/23
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In message <u6u2ci$2okgp$8...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
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my holiday as I was keen to get home and put it to use!
>
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>On 20/06/2023 12:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the
>>blade is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the
>>other end (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only
>>the ease you have in cutting.
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it
>>may fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
>> Andy
>Junior hacksaws are flexible
:-) I was given one while on holiday in Felixtowe, around 1951. Spoiled
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the
>>blade is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the
>>other end (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only
>>the ease you have in cutting.
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it
>>may fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
>> Andy
>Junior hacksaws are flexible
my holiday as I was keen to get home and put it to use!
>
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Rod Speed
Jun 21, 2023, 4:57:40 AM6/21/23
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:38:26 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 12:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the
>> blade is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the
>> other end (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only the
>> ease you have in cutting.
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it may
>> fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
> Junior hacksaws are flexible
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 12:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 10:35, wasbit wrote:
>>> Don't see the OP so replied here.
>>>
>>> Pushing a blade puts it in compression & it may buckle.
>>> Pulling a blade puts it under tension - easier on the muscles.
>> A hacksaw typically supports the blade from both ends. Whether the
>> blade is being pulled from the handle end (a pull cut) or from the
>> other end (a push cut) should make no difference to the blade, only the
>> ease you have in cutting.
>> Unless of course your hacksaw is really flexible. In that case it may
>> fail to keep the blade in tension on a push cut.
Mine isnt and works fine with the blade in push mode.
Peeler
Jun 21, 2023, 11:22:47 AM6/21/23
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He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
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PeterC
Jun 21, 2023, 1:03:17 PM6/21/23
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 20:59:17 +0100, NY wrote:
> So if you have a hacksaw (*) with a push blade, and you've tightened the
> tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles and
> bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the work
> being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem?
I've never had a 12" blade buckle like that. Bear in mind that if the
> So if you have a hacksaw (*) with a push blade, and you've tightened the
> tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles and
> bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the work
> being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem?
tension is high enough (higher than the resistance load applied on the
forward stroke) then the blade is always pulled.
I was taught that the blade should be slackened off after use. This was in
the days before the hardened points, when the whole blade was hard. I don't
know if it helped at all, but I still do it.
Vir Campestris
Jun 22, 2023, 4:44:28 PM6/22/23
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On 20/06/2023 20:59, NY wrote:
> So if you have a hacksaw (*) with a push blade, and you've tightened the
> tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles
> and bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the
> work being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem?
<snip>
> So if you have a hacksaw (*) with a push blade, and you've tightened the
> tensioning mechanism as tight as you can, but the blade still buckles
> and bends (sometimes irreversibly) immediately on the handle side of the
> work being cut, what can be done to rectify the problem?
Buy a better hacksaw. Or maybe you are pressing _REALLY_ hard. I've had
no problems.
Andy
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