Can I Convert a electric recliner chair to manual recliner?

[Mick.]

Hi all,

I have a Celebrity Electric Reclining Chair that I bought second hand

The upholstery side of it is in very good condition, but after playing up
the rise / reclining function stopped altogether.

It has a single transformer voltage of 25V

With Leggett & Platt mechanism and an Okin single Motor.

I have had two electricians look at it and both say the motor is us and it
would be better to buy a new chair.

Has anyone ever converted an electric one to work manually?

While no carpenter I would like to have a go.

Any thoughts welcomed,

Mick.

[Andy Dingley]

On Apr 8, 12:59 pm, "Mick." <mrcycl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I have had two electricians look at it and both say the motor is us and it
> would be better to buy a new chair.

I'd think about a new motor. Search through the electrical surplus
dealers / car window or car seat motors /robot parts suppliers.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Indeed. The reason why cars have electric windows, is that its CHEAPER.

Those huge mechanical winders were heavy and expensive t make.

Most DC style motors are very generic.

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[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:16:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Indeed. The reason why cars have electric windows, is that its CHEAPER.
>
> Those huge mechanical winders were heavy and expensive t make.

Eh, having had both types apart there is very little difference the
motor just replaces the handle. The rest of the mechansium is very
similar, channel attached to the bottom of the glass, one or two arms
with rollers in the channel, quadrant drive from the handle/motor to
make the arm(s) go up/down.

I think there are recirculating ball drives and worm drives but they
strike me as even more complicated.

> Most DC style motors are very generic.

For something like a chair I'd agree, cars tend to use custom motors
simply 'cause of the scale of manufacture.

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[Skipweasel]

In article <7b4ecd9d-81df-4234-8e3c-
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says...

> I'd think about a new motor. Search through the electrical surplus
> dealers / car window or car seat motors /robot parts suppliers.
>

Car seat motors may well even be indentical to the original - a
surprising amount of stuff gets shared around. Ford's seat-height knob
once appeared on an operating table.

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[The Natural Philosopher]

I thin you will find they are still generic.

Mabuchi for example, spits out billions of DC motors to almost any spec
you want. From toothbrush to a golf buggy. Its not hard to fn one of
similar power and voltage rating, and its not usually that critical either.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Was that in the episode of the Hitch Hiker's Guide that they banned?

[Mick.]

Thank you very much, this looks very promising.
Mick.
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[Jules Richardson]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:55:49 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Car seat motors may well even be indentical to the original - a
>> surprising amount of stuff gets shared around. Ford's seat-height knob
>> once appeared on an operating table.
>>
> Was that in the episode of the Hitch Hiker's Guide that they banned?

Thankfully, my cuppa is currently brewing, and none of it was in my
mouth :)

[Skipweasel]

In article <inni75$egv$4...@news.albasani.net>, t...@invalid.invalid says...

> > Car seat motors may well even be indentical to the original - a
> > surprising amount of stuff gets shared around. Ford's seat-height knob
> > once appeared on an operating table.
> >
> Was that in the episode of the Hitch Hiker's Guide that they banned?
>

Prefect!

[Graham.]

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The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner.
On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees.
The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were
there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter.
Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car.
They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off
immediately.
The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent.
The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg
Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed.
Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two
million Fords.
They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown.
And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show - Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max - on the controls.
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[geoff]

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Or look for "remco"

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[geoff]

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Yeah, yeah, very good ...

NEXT ...

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[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Graham." <m...@privacy.com> saying
something like:

>They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown.
>And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show - Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max - on the controls.

Never heard that one before.

[crs...@gmail.com]

Did you get your chair converted to manual? If so, how do you do it, I need to know, please....

[Chris]

replying to Mick., Chris wrote:

Did you ever get an answer how to convert an electric chair to manual. I
want to do that. Please help...

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i would imagine a new mechanism would be needed, as the manual chairs have
springs and counter balance levers all over the mechanism, along with a lock
when it is closed up,

the electric models just use the motor to position the mechanism,

surely you can replace the motor?

[Brian Gaff]

A friend had to junk their old electric one as the gears stripped, it use
nylon gears and the orignil maker was no longer in business (Probably ran
out of crap nylon gears.)

If it is only the motor and not the mecanism, it could well be some standard
motor, one would need to extricate it without all the spings and bits flying
all over the room. I have to say when I saw the innards of one of these
devices, it put me off them for ever!

Brian

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[Chris]

replying to crsnham , Chris wrote:

> crsnham wrote:
>
> Did you get your chair converted to manual? If so, how do you do it, I need
to know, please....

Replacing the motor is not an option. This is to satisfy someone who Hates
the electric version.

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[rbel]

On Thu, 08 May 2014 16:44:01 +0000, Chris
<caedfaa9ed1216d60e...@example.com> wrote:

>replying to crsnham , Chris wrote:
>> crsnham wrote:
>>
>> Did you get your chair converted to manual? If so, how do you do it, I need
>to know, please....
>

I would not think that it would be possible as, while the motorised
mechanisms are relatively simple, the good manual ones are designed
specifically for the characteristics of the chair - ie does it have a
foot rest, if so is it required to operate independently of the back
rake; does it have brake or does the mechanism allow the chair to be
positioned just moving the body.

>Replacing the motor is not an option. This is to satisfy someone who Hates
>the electric version.

Cannot say that I blame them. I tried motorised recliners when I
first decided to get one over 30 years ago there was not much
available but I quickly decided that the motorised chairs were poor. I
bought a Norton recliner which was an amazing piece of kit, incredibly
comfortable, which lasted 28 years before the mechanism was so worn
that I had to get out of the chair to adjust the rake.

When I looked for a replacement I shopped around for ages - the only
decent motorised unit was around 1500 from J Lewis (quiet with a good
range of adjustment) and the best of the manual chairs was quite good
other than the cover was only available in leather and the so-called
'zero-gravity' mechanism needed to be tweaked by me to get it really
comfortable when the foot rest was up but the back was in the vertical
position.
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[Capitol]

I don't know if they still do it, but LaZboy? used to guarantee their
product to the original purchaser for life.

[rbel]

On Thu, 08 May 2014 16:44:01 +0000, Chris
<caedfaa9ed1216d60e...@example.com> wrote:

>replying to crsnham , Chris wrote:
>> crsnham wrote:
>>
>> Did you get your chair converted to manual? If so, how do you do it, I need
>to know, please....
>

I would not think that it would be possible as, while the motorised
mechanisms are relatively simple, the good manual ones are designed
specifically for the characteristics of the chair - ie does it have a
foot rest, if so is it required to operate independently of the back
rake; does it have brake or does the mechanism allow the chair to be
positioned just moving the body.

>Replacing the motor is not an option. This is to satisfy someone who Hates
>the electric version.

Cannot say that I blame them. I tried motorised recliners when I
first decided to get one over 30 years ago there was not much
available but I quickly decided that the motorised chairs were poor. I
bought a Norton recliner which was an amazing piece of kit, incredibly
comfortable, which lasted 28 years before the mechanism was so worn
that I had to get out of the chair to adjust the rake.

When I looked for a replacement I shopped around for ages - the only
decent motorised unit was around 1500 from J Lewis (quiet with a good
range of adjustment) and the best of the manual chairs was quite good
other than the cover was only available in leather and the so-called
'zero-gravity' mechanism needed to be tweaked by me to get it really
comfortable when the foot rest was up but the back was in the vertical
position.

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[Mick]

Hi Chris, Mick the original poster here.

I found a new fairly cheap motor on the Internet (sorry cant remember
where now)
fitted it and all worked ok, then the pivot of the rise arrangement
sheared off
I found some small right angle metal strip and drilled and fitted it.
And all is still working now still.
Mick.

[Bbraver]

replying to The Natural Philosopher, Bbraver wrote:
Can a motor be added to a recliner?

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/08/16 14:44, Bbraver wrote:
> replying to The Natural Philosopher, Bbraver wrote:
> Can a motor be added to a recliner?
>

Probably, but not worth it.

Get a second hand one off ebay.

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[shahja...@gmail.com]

On Friday, April 8, 2011 at 5:59:40 PM UTC+6, Mick. wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Celebrity Electric Reclining Chair that I bought second hand
>
> The upholstery side of it is in very good condition, but after playing up
> the rise / reclining function stopped altogether.
>
> It has a single transformer voltage of 25V
>
> With Leggett & Platt mechanism and an Okin single Motor.
>
>
>
> I have had two electricians look at it and both say the motor is us and it
> would be better to buy a new chair.
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever converted an electric one to work manually?
>
>
>
> While no carpenter I would like to have a go.
>
> Any thoughts welcomed,
>
> Mick.

Hi you may convert but your recliner chair design will be changed learn here how to fix recliner chair mechanism http://www.reclinergenie.com/7-key-tips-on-how-to-fix-a-recliner-chair-mechanism/

[Brian Gaff]

2011, has he still got it?

I would personally suspect the motor might well still be around and just
might need some adoption.
Brian

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[Harry Bloomfield]

shahja...@gmail.com brought next idea :

> Hi you may convert but your recliner chair design will be changed learn here
> how to fix recliner chair mechanism
> http://www.reclinergenie.com/7-key-tips-on-how-to-fix-a-recliner-chair-mechanism/

They are a simple enough mechanism, just a reversible motor and many
will use the same mechanism and motor, either mains motors, or 24v
ones. I doubt they lend themselves to conversion to manual use easily.
You would need some means to replace the motors rotation, with a
cranking action using the existing screw thread.

[tabb...@gmail.com]

the motor is of course geared down, so the crank handle goes on the low speed side.


NT

[Andrew]

On 31/05/2018 09:42, Brian Gaff wrote:
> 2011, has he still got it?
>
> I would personally suspect the motor might well still be around and just
> might need some adoption.
> Brian
>

Perhaps it didn't have an 'otter thermostat to detect the
stall current ?.

[Andrew]

On 31/05/2018 11:20, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> They are a simple enough mechanism, just a reversible motor and many
> will use the same mechanism and motor, either mains motors, or 24v ones.
> I doubt they lend themselves to conversion to manual use easily. You
> would need some means to replace the motors rotation, with a cranking
> action using the existing screw thread.

The German zero-stress chairs have DC motors driven by a
transformer, which can be replaced by a battery pack.

Not sure what weight limit is imposed by the manufacturer but
Germans are not generally small people.

I would try and use a 12 volt battery to see if the motor
does anything.

[bigals...@gmail.com]

Yes i just did it to 2 leather chairs. The electric motor and pistion attached the the chair mechanism.turn the chair over So that you can see the very bottom of it. Then carefully remove two side of the staples and flip it back. Like peeling a banana. You can ask O just take the whole thing off the bottom Wont see it anyways. There's Cotter pins that hold the motor to the mechanism in the Front and in the back. Once you remove the mechanism that opens and closes that share it'll just open and close like any other recliner. The mechanism weighs about 10 pounds. It whether just pushes that share open and closed and once it's been disattach and pulled out you can just sit in a chair and leaned back and flip it open and close it just like a regular . You don't need a hand on the side to be able to do any those things.

[Shahjamal Hossain]

On Friday, April 8, 2011 at 5:59:40 PM UTC+6, Mick. wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Celebrity Electric Reclining Chair that I bought second hand
>
> The upholstery side of it is in very good condition, but after playing up
> the rise / reclining function stopped altogether.
>
> It has a single transformer voltage of 25V
>
> With Leggett & Platt mechanism and an Okin single Motor.

http://www.chairsadvisor.com/fix-recliner-chair-mechanism/

Latest information here
Learn How to Fix Recliner Chair Mechanism Like an Expert
How to adjust an office chair
and more http://www.chairsadvisor.com/

[Alan Session]

replying to Mick., Alan Session wrote:
Yes you can just flip the chair over and is attached the motor assembly is
usually a Cotter pin. I just converted to leather chairs I should take you
about 30 minutes and Chair. Just pull the Cotter pin out and take out the
mechanism in the chair war just like a regular chair. The chairs are
assembled from the bottom side suggest remove the cloth its cover It. Have
you removed from Three sides you can fold it back and then re stable
I

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

I'd imagine it very much depends on the design though.
Brian

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Right...don't know how we got on cars and drugs.

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

No come to think of it, if you don't quote nobody has the xxxx idea of what
has gone before after all this time.

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On 11/12/2020 21:28, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> No come to think of it, if you don't quote nobody has the xxxx idea of what
> has gone before after all this time.
>
> Brian
>

Same with your posts Brian, where you don't lift the thing you're
answering to the top to lead on to your own comments.

Bill

[Keywest]

Thank y'all for the Post just remove the electric mechanism push back and relax works great thanks

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

How old is this one. Actually many chairs are made as both manual and
electric and the guts are mostly the same.

Brian

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[Chris Pennington]

Really? I don't know. I am going to go look at it. It looks like new, but I am sure it isn't. Would an electrician be able to do that?

[Andy Burns]

A decade later, it's probably rusted away ...

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Yes but its the control part you need and some makers may not want to sell
you conversion kits, even if they were still a current model.

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[James]

Can I convert my electric recliner into a manual recliner

[Animal]

On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 20:01:54 UTC+1, James wrote:
> Can I convert my electric recliner into a manual recliner

I've only looked at the mechanism on one, so... anyway with that model you'd need a gear mechanism, otherwise you'd be cranking that handle half the night.
Your question seems to imply you've not looked at & understood the mechanism. You're in the best position to answer the question really.
And from what I saw, the whole thing looked very repairable.

[Roger Mills]

Manual recliners usually have an adjustable friction mechanism to make
them stay put once you've used your weight to put them in the desired
position.

Electric recliners use electrically operated linear actuators (which
look a bit like car shock absorbers) to put them in the desired
position. Once set, they stay put on their own without needing a
friction device.

If you simply remove the actuators, the reclining mechanism will flop
about all over the place.

Is the electric device broken? If so, it shouldn't be too difficult to
find a generic replacement which will fit. See
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hopopular-Actuator-Electric-Mounting-Brackets/dp/B07RWZ8B82/ref=asc_df_B07RWZ8B82/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=311116909600&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1672839470497829010&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007064&hvtargid=pla-762786942220&th=1
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[Animal]

The one I fixed worked like a screw jack. The motor provides a little friction that stops it moving under the sitter's weight.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <33dea44f-7bdc-47bf...@googlegroups.com>,

Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The one I fixed worked like a screw jack. The motor provides a little
> friction that stops it moving under the sitter's weight.

Worm and nut devices are pretty well one way only. Think a mechanical car
jack.

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[Animal]

On Monday, 23 May 2022 at 15:17:08 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <33dea44f-7bdc-47bf...@googlegroups.com>,
> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The one I fixed worked like a screw jack. The motor provides a little
> > friction that stops it moving under the sitter's weight.
> Worm and nut devices are pretty well one way only. Think a mechanical car
> jack.

they almost are, but they aren't. Play with some.

[Roger Mills]

A car jack wouldn't be much use if the weight of the car caused it to
close again when you let go of the winder! Any geared/screwed device
which is less than 50% efficient is non-reversible - including the
motorised struts used on recliners.
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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <jf3o5c...@mid.individual.net>,

I was wondering about that - but is efficient the correct term? More than
the ratio of the worm and nut? (I'm guessing you could make a worm and nut
which could reverse the power flow - if you wanted to.)

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[Roger Mills]

ISTR that that was what I was taught in schoolboy physics about 65 years
ago, but that may be an over-simplification.

It's certainly friction related, as described in this extract from Wiki:

"Unlike with ordinary gear trains, the direction of transmission (input
shaft vs output shaft) is not reversible when using large reduction
ratios. This is due to the greater friction involved between the worm
and worm wheel, and is especially prevalent when a single-start (one
spiral) worm is used. This can be an advantage when it is desired to
eliminate any possibility of the output driving the input. If a
multi-start worm (multiple spirals) is used, then the ratio reduces
accordingly, and the braking effect of a worm and worm wheel may need to
be discounted, as the wheel may be able to drive the worm.

Worm drive configurations in which the wheel cannot drive the worm are
called self-locking. Whether a worm drive is self-locking depends on the
lead angle, the pressure angle, and the coefficient of friction."

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[Robin]

On 24/05/2022 17:25, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 24/05/2022 14:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <jf3o5c...@mid.individual.net>,
>>     Roger Mills <mills37...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 15:26, Animal wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 23 May 2022 at 15:17:08 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>> In article <33dea44f-7bdc-47bf...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The one I fixed worked like a screw jack. The motor provides a little
>>>>>> friction that stops it moving under the sitter's weight.
>>>>> Worm and nut devices are pretty well one way only. Think a
>>>>> mechanical car
>>>>> jack.
>>>>
>>>> they almost are, but they aren't. Play with some.
>>>>
>>
>>> A car jack wouldn't be much use if the weight of the car caused it to
>>> close again when you let go of the winder! Any geared/screwed device
>>> which is less than 50% efficient is non-reversible - including the
>>> motorised struts used on recliners.
>>
>> I was wondering about that - but is efficient the correct term? More than
>> the ratio of the worm and nut? (I'm guessing you could make a worm and
>> nut
>> which could reverse the power flow - if you wanted to.)
>>
>
> ISTR that that was what I was taught in schoolboy physics about 65 years
> ago, but that may be an over-simplification.

My recollection of O level physics in the same decade is that efficiency
is precisely the right test. Other things such as the pitch of the
screw affect the mechanical advantage. But self-locking in a simple
screw jack requires the friction to be more than the load. It follows
less than half the work done is useful.


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[Roger Mills]

Yes, having given it some further thought, I believe that the 50%
efficiency maxim is correct.

If instead of a worm drive, you consider using a rope to drag a heavy
weight up a slope. If the friction force is exactly equal to the
component of the weight along the slope, the weight will be in
equilibrium and will stay put. In order to move it up the slope, the
tension in the rope needs to be equal to the weight component plus the
friction - in other words, twice the weight component. The amount of
work done is thus twice what it would be if you did a straight lift over
the same vertical distance - so pulling it up the slope is 50%
efficient. If the friction is lower - resulting in greater than 50%
efficiency, the weight will move down the slope on its own - equivalent
to reversibility in a geared mechanism. And vice versa.

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[Animal]

I repaired a reclining chair. It did travel when sat on with the motor not connected. Whether these mechanisms do so depends on their gearing ratio & friction. Obviously car jacks have a ratio & friction level that does not do this.