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imanc
May 13, 2013, 2:25:22โฏPM5/13/13
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I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
back box?
I know that an SDS drill with correct chiselling attachment would do a
much neater job, but I don't have one to hand.
I've got 3 more holes to chisel out so any advice would be appreciated!
Cheers,
imanc
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newshound
May 13, 2013, 3:45:49โฏPM5/13/13
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two fixing screws into wallplugs, but with suitable filler you can get
away with one or even none. Finish plaster is slightly less good because
of shrinkage.
The other trick if you have two good screw fixings is to pack behind the
box with suitable slivers of wood so that the box is square when screwed
down.
Tim Watts
May 13, 2013, 3:54:50โฏPM5/13/13
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On Monday 13 May 2013 19:25 imanc wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
> area with the drill
To a fixed depth? I wrapped tape around my drill as a depth marker when
>
> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
> area with the drill
doing this.
> then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>
> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
> back box?
>
> I know that an SDS drill with correct chiselling attachment would do a
> much neater job, but I don't have one to hand.
>
> I've got 3 more holes to chisel out so any advice would be appreciated!
>
SDS or the bricks were a bit crap. Mix a bit of 4:1 mortar and lob it in the
back of the hole. Bed the box in to this. If you add a bit around the side
you can not bother with the fixing screw(s).
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John Rumm
May 13, 2013, 4:12:20โฏPM5/13/13
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On 13/05/2013 20:54, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Monday 13 May 2013 19:25 imanc wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>>
>> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>> area with the drill
>
> To a fixed depth? I wrapped tape around my drill as a depth marker when
> doing this.
>
>> then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>>
>> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
>> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
>> back box?
>>
>> I know that an SDS drill with correct chiselling attachment would do a
>> much neater job, but I don't have one to hand.
>>
>> I've got 3 more holes to chisel out so any advice would be appreciated!
>>
>
> I had the same problem on the odd occasion - when too enthusiastic with the
> SDS or the bricks were a bit crap. Mix a bit of 4:1 mortar and lob it in the
> back of the hole. Bed the box in to this. If you add a bit around the side
> you can not bother with the fixing screw(s).
I keep an old bag of bonding plaster for such occasions... slap it in,
> On Monday 13 May 2013 19:25 imanc wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>>
>> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>> area with the drill
>
> To a fixed depth? I wrapped tape around my drill as a depth marker when
> doing this.
>
>> then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>>
>> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
>> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
>> back box?
>>
>> I know that an SDS drill with correct chiselling attachment would do a
>> much neater job, but I don't have one to hand.
>>
>> I've got 3 more holes to chisel out so any advice would be appreciated!
>>
>
> I had the same problem on the odd occasion - when too enthusiastic with the
> SDS or the bricks were a bit crap. Mix a bit of 4:1 mortar and lob it in the
> back of the hole. Bed the box in to this. If you add a bit around the side
> you can not bother with the fixing screw(s).
it goes off quick.
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Frank Erskine
May 13, 2013, 6:39:24โฏPM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:25:22 +0200, imanc
<imanc....@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
Use a deeper back box!
<imanc....@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
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Dave Liquorice
May 13, 2013, 6:33:30โฏPM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:25:22 +0200, imanc wrote:
> There's a lumpy mess and some cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm,
> and the back box doesn't seat right.
Get one fixing ready, lob in some stiffly mixed old plaster, push in box
> There's a lumpy mess and some cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm,
> and the back box doesn't seat right.
and use fixing. position and leave.
> With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
have are too short.
> I've got 3 more holes to chisel out so any advice would be appreciated!
depth. It's easier to cut big bits out of a solid mass rather than one
full of holes.
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Dave Plowman (News)
May 13, 2013, 6:51:37โฏPM5/13/13
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In article <imanc....@diybanter.com>,
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Fixings_Index/Cement_and_Plaster/index.html
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imanc <imanc....@diybanter.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
> area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
> back box?
Quick set cement.
> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
> area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
> back box?
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Fixings_Index/Cement_and_Plaster/index.html
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The Natural Philosopher
May 13, 2013, 7:37:47โฏPM5/13/13
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On 13/05/13 23:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <imanc....@diybanter.com>,
> imanc <imanc....@diybanter.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>> area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
>> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
>> back box?
> Quick set cement.
>
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Fixings_Index/Cement_and_Plaster/index.html
>
car body filler, then replaster. with luck no screws needed. :-)
> In article <imanc....@diybanter.com>,
> imanc <imanc....@diybanter.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to fit 4 25mm back boxes into walls. I've pepper potted the
>> area with the drill then used a cold chisel to clear out the plaster and
>> brick. However, the result is not smooth. There's a lumpy mess and some
>> cracked brick that is stil somewhat firm, and the back box doesn't seat
>> right. With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>> I'm wondering if I can build up the chase with some polyfilla or
>> something to make it straight and the right depth before fitting the
>> back box?
> Quick set cement.
>
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Fixings_Index/Cement_and_Plaster/index.html
>
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Bert Coules
May 13, 2013, 9:01:05โฏPM5/13/13
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I've no idea if this in an approved method (and rather suspect that it
isn't) but I've mounted several sets of backboxes-in-a-row by first screwing
them to a wooden backplate and then putting the whole assembly into a
slightly oversized hole partially pre-filled with plaster/cement/mortar/what
have you.
The beauty of this approach is that it ensures that the boxes, and therefore
the front plates, are all perfectly in line and evenly spaced - something I
could never achieve when I used to do it one box at a time.
isn't) but I've mounted several sets of backboxes-in-a-row by first screwing
them to a wooden backplate and then putting the whole assembly into a
slightly oversized hole partially pre-filled with plaster/cement/mortar/what
have you.
The beauty of this approach is that it ensures that the boxes, and therefore
the front plates, are all perfectly in line and evenly spaced - something I
could never achieve when I used to do it one box at a time.
Windmill
May 13, 2013, 9:19:02โฏPM5/13/13
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then hand chiselling, but still not perfect. However with a metal back
box it's sometimes possible to put a large metal repair washer (or 2)
behind one of the box mounting holes. Quick and easy, if not ideal.
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Windmill
May 13, 2013, 9:23:27โฏPM5/13/13
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attach the socket too tightly (which might crack it).
Bill Wright
May 14, 2013, 12:26:52โฏAM5/14/13
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Windmill wrote:
You can set the boxes in gunnanail or nomorenails. Bend the unused
knock-outs in slightly so there's a key for the adhesive. No need for
screws.
Bill
You can set the boxes in gunnanail or nomorenails. Bend the unused
knock-outs in slightly so there's a key for the adhesive. No need for
screws.
Bill
harry
May 14, 2013, 1:45:12โฏAM5/14/13
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Tap all the knockouts in the box in very slightly and set the box in
the hole with cement. Leave the knockout(s) you want to use
clear of cement. Make sure the threaded holes for your
switch/socket are clear of cement.
Brian Gaff
May 14, 2013, 2:39:41โฏAM5/14/13
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Yeah you can use all sorts of stuff for this. Once when younger and still
sighted I just bunged in some filler, then the box, levelled it up and held
it in the right spot with tape till filler dried, took it apart and drilled
the holes for the plugs. Its still up.
I guess its like, what the eye does not see....
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sighted I just bunged in some filler, then the box, levelled it up and held
it in the right spot with tape till filler dried, took it apart and drilled
the holes for the plugs. Its still up.
I guess its like, what the eye does not see....
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stuart noble
May 14, 2013, 4:24:37โฏAM5/14/13
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it stacked by the front door.
ARW
May 14, 2013, 2:53:52โฏPM5/14/13
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The only difference is that I mount the wooden board to the wall and then
fit the back boxes.
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ARW
May 14, 2013, 2:57:09โฏPM5/14/13
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:25:22 +0200, imanc wrote:
>
>> There's a lumpy mess and some cracked brick that is stil somewhat
>> firm, and the back box doesn't seat right.
>
> Get one fixing ready, lob in some stiffly mixed old plaster, push in
> box and use fixing. position and leave.
>
>> With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>
> Is that a problem? You can get longer accessory screws if the ones you
> have are too short.
Having the back box set 3mm behind the plaster finish is the correct way to
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:25:22 +0200, imanc wrote:
>
>> There's a lumpy mess and some cracked brick that is stil somewhat
>> firm, and the back box doesn't seat right.
>
> Get one fixing ready, lob in some stiffly mixed old plaster, push in
> box and use fixing. position and leave.
>
>> With one recess the back box is about 5mm too deep.
>
> Is that a problem? You can get longer accessory screws if the ones you
> have are too short.
install back boxes for use with flat plate switches and sockets.
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May 14, 2013, 3:00:05โฏPM5/14/13
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zaax
May 14, 2013, 5:13:31โฏPM5/14/13
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On 13/05/2013 19:25, imanc wrote:
>
>
I've used old lino tiles before from my box of shims.
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Larry
Jan 22, 2022, 2:15:06โฏPM1/22/22
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Clever, best suggestion yet ๐
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Larry
Jan 22, 2022, 2:15:06โฏPM1/22/22
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Trying to think who is more resourceful you or a break dancer ๐บ, with the Lino ๐คฃ
Larry
Jan 22, 2022, 2:15:07โฏPM1/22/22
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Very resourceful
bob
Jan 22, 2022, 4:15:06โฏPM1/22/22
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I think he probably solved it in the last 8 years.
Fredxx
Jan 22, 2022, 4:16:08โฏPM1/22/22
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On 22/01/2022 19:15, Larry wrote:
> Clever, best suggestion yet ๐
What an idiot!
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Jan 23, 2022, 4:24:55โฏAM1/23/22
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I'm laughing that we still get nonsensical posts here from dingbats who
use Home Owners club to post from.
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> Trying to think who is more resourceful you or a break dancer ??, with the
> Lino ??
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