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Edward W. Thompson
Dec 4, 2013, 10:20:54 AM12/4/13
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I have come acrossa product called Seco Flex which is a resin coating
for masonary and the like. The product is a cream like substance
which when applied to masonary/brickwork prevents the absorbtion of
water. It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
conductivity is significantly increased. Anyone with any knowledge of
'Seco Flex'?
for masonary and the like. The product is a cream like substance
which when applied to masonary/brickwork prevents the absorbtion of
water. It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
conductivity is significantly increased. Anyone with any knowledge of
'Seco Flex'?
Scott M
Dec 4, 2013, 10:41:02 AM12/4/13
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Edward W. Thompson wrote:
> It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
> fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
> does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
> example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
> conductivity is significantly increased.
No doubt a good waterproof coating to keep bricks dry would be a good
> It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
> fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
> does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
> example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
> conductivity is significantly increased.
thing as far as insulation and spall-prevention would be A Good Thing.
The bit they don't address though is what happens if the brick gets wet
from one of its five other faces and now can't dry out because it's
behind an impermeable membrane...
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Scott
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
Tim Lamb
Dec 4, 2013, 11:24:49 AM12/4/13
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In message <l7niea$u3a$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Scott M
<no_one@no_where.net> writes
Maybe evaporating moisture extracts some of its latent heat from the
wall?
My house is in a river valley/frost pocket. There is a curiosity in that
shrubs planted on a North wall thrive. The same shrub transplanted to an
East wall suffers severe frost damage most years. My theory is that Sun
melted frost draws more heat from the leaves than a slower melt due to a
rise in air temperature.
>
>
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Tim Lamb
<no_one@no_where.net> writes
wall?
My house is in a river valley/frost pocket. There is a curiosity in that
shrubs planted on a North wall thrive. The same shrub transplanted to an
East wall suffers severe frost damage most years. My theory is that Sun
melted frost draws more heat from the leaves than a slower melt due to a
rise in air temperature.
>
>
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Tim Lamb
Chris J Dixon
Dec 4, 2013, 12:40:29 PM12/4/13
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spraying something on my roof will reduce my heating bills.
When questioned further, the droids don't actually know anything.
One chap insisted that it worked by reducing air leakage. When I
mentioned mandatory ventilation he went quiet.
When I asked another caller how much difference a mm or two (if
that) layer of gunk on my roof would make to a loft already very
generously lagged, he had no numbers.
Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.
fred
Dec 4, 2013, 1:12:09 PM12/4/13
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In article <hjhu99demphdu972o...@4ax.com>, Edward W.
Thompson <thom...@btinternet.com> writes
>It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
>Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
>the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
>
If that is the claim then it is a lie.
I don't care how they claim it does it, it is simply a lie.
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fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .
Thompson <thom...@btinternet.com> writes
>It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
>Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
>the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
>
I don't care how they claim it does it, it is simply a lie.
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fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .
stuart noble
Dec 4, 2013, 1:38:54 PM12/4/13
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"breathes" they say. Magic ennit? It's just another textured coating
that lasts well enough on sound surfaces (as would any paint) but fails
miserably on damp/porous walls.
stuart noble
Dec 4, 2013, 2:38:34 PM12/4/13
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On 04/12/2013 18:12, fred wrote:
stuart noble
Dec 4, 2013, 2:40:49 PM12/4/13
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GB
Dec 5, 2013, 4:54:59 AM12/5/13
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On 04/12/2013 18:12, fred wrote:
increases heat loss it is not a lie. :)
fred
Dec 5, 2013, 10:07:00 AM12/5/13
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In article <52a04d78$0$1222$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>, GB
<NOTso...@microsoft.com> writes
They can only legitimately claim "up to 30%" if some successful
installations can actually achieve the maximum quoted result so I think
my analysis remains valid ;-)
What's the betting that the claimed 30% reduction in heat loss only
applies when it's applied to the outside of a 1,000degC glass furnace?
It's the usual BS that applies to thin layer thermo-radiant coatings.
<NOTso...@microsoft.com> writes
installations can actually achieve the maximum quoted result so I think
my analysis remains valid ;-)
What's the betting that the claimed 30% reduction in heat loss only
applies when it's applied to the outside of a 1,000degC glass furnace?
It's the usual BS that applies to thin layer thermo-radiant coatings.
Chris J Dixon
Dec 5, 2013, 10:18:34 AM12/5/13
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fred wrote:
>They can only legitimately claim "up to 30%" if some successful
>installations can actually achieve the maximum quoted result so I think
>my analysis remains valid ;-)
>
>What's the betting that the claimed 30% reduction in heat loss only
>applies when it's applied to the outside of a 1,000degC glass furnace?
>It's the usual BS that applies to thin layer thermo-radiant coatings.
I complained to the ASA about the web site of some outfit with
>They can only legitimately claim "up to 30%" if some successful
>installations can actually achieve the maximum quoted result so I think
>my analysis remains valid ;-)
>
>What's the betting that the claimed 30% reduction in heat loss only
>applies when it's applied to the outside of a 1,000degC glass furnace?
>It's the usual BS that applies to thin layer thermo-radiant coatings.
similar dubious claims. They didn't want to take it further, and
I guess they have more lawyers than engineers. :-(
mic...@ecohousesolar.co.uk
Apr 24, 2016, 1:26:00 PM4/24/16
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mic...@ecohousesolar.co.uk
Apr 24, 2016, 1:26:37 PM4/24/16
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 at 3:20:54 PM UTC, Edward W. Thompson wrote:
harry
Apr 25, 2016, 2:45:36 AM4/25/16
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R value change is insignificant.
There has been various ones over the years, dunno about this particular one.
Andrew
Apr 25, 2016, 5:24:43 AM4/25/16
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On 24/04/2016 18:25, mic...@ecohousesolar.co.uk wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 at 3:20:54 PM UTC, Edward W. Thompson wrote:
>> I have come acrossa product called Seco Flex which is a resin coating
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 at 3:20:54 PM UTC, Edward W. Thompson wrote:
>> I have come acrossa product called Seco Flex which is a resin coating
>> conductivity is significantly increased. Anyone with any knowledge of
>> 'Seco Flex'?
>
Read the bloody date, then eff off and spam your email address somewhere
>> 'Seco Flex'?
>
else.
newshound
Apr 25, 2016, 6:15:41 AM4/25/16
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And I would want to read the Plymouth paper. It seems a *very* large gain.
newshound
Apr 25, 2016, 6:17:45 AM4/25/16
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the date of the first post in a thread.
tabb...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2016, 5:33:21 PM4/25/16
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On Monday, 25 April 2016 07:45:36 UTC+1, harry wrote:
NT
> On Wednesday, 4 December 2013 15:20:54 UTC, a spamming idiot wrote:
> > I have come acrossa product called Seco Flex which is a resin coating
> > for masonary and the like. The product is a cream like substance
> > which when applied to masonary/brickwork prevents the absorbtion of
> > water. It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
> > Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
> > the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
> >
> > It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
> > fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
> > does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
> > example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
> > conductivity is significantly increased. Anyone with any knowledge of
> > 'Seco Flex'?
>
> Evaporation of water causes a cooling effect which this sort of product prevents. (By keeping the masonry dry).
The idea that putting impermeable coatings on the outside of houses makes the wall drier is one of those tenaciously enduring myths.
> > I have come acrossa product called Seco Flex which is a resin coating
> > for masonary and the like. The product is a cream like substance
> > which when applied to masonary/brickwork prevents the absorbtion of
> > water. It is claimed, based upon a paper by the University of
> > Plymouth that heat loss from a building can be reduced by up to 30% if
> > the outside is treated with this 'stuff'.
> >
> > It all seems a little too good to be true. I suppose if a brick is
> > fully staurated its thermal conductivity is markedly increased but
> > does external masonary of houses in unexposed places, in cities for
> > example, ever become sufficiently 'wet' that their thermal
> > conductivity is significantly increased. Anyone with any knowledge of
> > 'Seco Flex'?
>
> Evaporation of water causes a cooling effect which this sort of product prevents. (By keeping the masonry dry).
NT
Brian Gaff
Apr 26, 2016, 3:44:29 AM4/26/16
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I wonder what happened in the last three years?
Brian
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