Self build "pull out larder" solution - source for parts ?
Jethro
kitchen ... when we moved in, we scrapped the old boiler which was
fitted into a cupboard in the kitchen, giving us a nuisance storage
space which is wide (21") and high (door is 6'4" but head space is
another foot), but annoyingly deep (28"). I fitted some wooden
shelves, but it's always been a pig to use on account of the depth.
Have finally discovered the concept of the pull-out larder, and would
like to adapt this space to have something like this fitted. However
as far as I can see, the B&Q type stuff is intended for use in their
cabinets - I don't want that. I want to build one into the cupboard,
and fix the (currently) hinged door back onto the pull out.
Anyone any idea if anyone supplies parts to built your own in a
modular way ... i.e. specify what length runners and framework and
baskets, for fitting into non-standard spaces ?
Ronald Raygun
If you DIY it, you stand a good chance of getting something decent.
But what I've seen of the ones which come with standard kitchens
(even high-end ones) tend to be pretty poor in terms of ergonomics.
To wit, they don't pull out very far. You can only access the front
half of the baskets directly, the back half only by contorting your
arms and being careful not knock anything over that's in the way.
I reckon you should be thinking along the lines of something that
starts off as a trolley with nice big wheels on the floor, and take
it from there.
JTM
<26f07412-b20a-45e2...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Jethro <krazy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Have finally discovered the concept of the pull-out
> larder, and would like to adapt this space to have
> something like this fitted. However as far as I can see,
> the B&Q type stuff is intended for use in their cabinets
> - I don't want that. I want to build one into the
> cupboard, and fix the (currently) hinged door back onto
> the pull out.
> Anyone any idea if anyone supplies parts to built your
> own in a modular way ... i.e. specify what length runners
> and framework and baskets, for fitting into non-standard
> spaces ?
This is something on my 'to do' list for later this year, so
I'll be watching this thread with interest
John
The Natural Philosopher
Another is to massively hinge the door itself and build
shelves-with-a-lip on the back of that - that gives you maybe half the
space easy to access, like a fridge.
The you can uses standard drawer runners to make pull out shelves for
other stuff, or simply half depth shelves.
newshound
> If you DIY it, you stand a good chance of getting something decent.
> But what I've seen of the ones which come with standard kitchens
> (even high-end ones) tend to be pretty poor in terms of ergonomics.
> To wit, they don't pull out very far. You can only access the front
> half of the baskets directly, the back half only by contorting your
> arms and being careful not knock anything over that's in the way.
>
> I reckon you should be thinking along the lines of something that
> starts off as a trolley with nice big wheels on the floor, and take
> it from there.
>
otherwise rather narrow slots. I shall also be following the thread because
I need to make some built in wardrobes, probably with pull-out sections. You
will need good quality wheels.
Lobster
> Have finally discovered the concept of the pull-out larder, and would
> like to adapt this space to have something like this fitted. However
> as far as I can see, the B&Q type stuff is intended for use in their
> cabinets - I don't want that. I want to build one into the cupboard,
> and fix the (currently) hinged door back onto the pull out.
>
> Anyone any idea if anyone supplies parts to built your own in a
> modular way ... i.e. specify what length runners and framework and
> baskets, for fitting into non-standard spaces ?
www.woodfit.co.uk might be worth a shufti?
David
S Viemeister
Roger Mills
They're designed to go into standard tall units - but ours is only fixed
on the top and bottom centre-lines - so you can have what you like at
the sides. Ours appears to be adjustable for height (I didn't fit it
myself - otherwise I'd know for sure!).
As far as I can remember, our kitchen supplier mixed and matched -
getting the cabinets and fronts from one source and the innards from
another - so you don't *have* to buy the whole thing.
The main problem you'll have is that they're designed to go in 600mm
deep cabinets - so you'll have some wasted space at the back. The
pull-out bits of ours are only 450 deep. I think you can get different
widths of tray to fit different width cabinets (or none!)
I've just discovered that Screwfix do them. Have a look at:
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/52039/Kitchens/Cabinet-Accessories/Cabinet-Storage/Pull-out-Larder-Unit-600mm#
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Hafele, of course.
You won't be able to purchase directly from Hafele, BKOnline are one
on-line stockist:
HTH
Martin
Tim Watts
19:49:
> www.woodfit.co.uk might be worth a shufti?
Wow - looks interesting. Have bookmarked as I have a few custom jobs to do.
Ta.
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Tim Watts
Terry Casey
> Am turning attention, and bit of cash from matured investments to
> kitchen ... when we moved in, we scrapped the old boiler which was
> fitted into a cupboard in the kitchen, giving us a nuisance storage
> space which is wide (21") and high (door is 6'4" but head space is
> another foot), but annoyingly deep (28"). I fitted some wooden
> shelves, but it's always been a pig to use on account of the depth.
As depth seems to be your main problem how about 700mm full extension
drawer runner?
http://www.scfhardware.co.uk/product.php/856/15/45_mm_ball_bearing_drawer_runners__full_extension_
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Terry
Charles Fearnley
"Terry Casey" <kt...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:1539g0uhw4ee.h...@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:05:12 -0800 (PST), Jethro wrote:
>
>> Am turning attention, and bit of cash from matured investments to
>> kitchen ... when we moved in, we scrapped the old boiler which was
>> fitted into a cupboard in the kitchen, giving us a nuisance storage
>> space which is wide (21") and high (door is 6'4" but head space is
>> another foot), but annoyingly deep (28"). I fitted some wooden
>> shelves, but it's always been a pig to use on account of the depth.
Bought a pull out larder package from this ebay seller last year:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/SIMON-JAMES-KITCHENS-LTD - see menu on the left.
I used the 300mm wide one, so the weight loading on it has been limited, but
so far it has continued to run smoothly with no problems. It pulls out so
that only about 30mm of the basket remains in the carcase. SWMBO loves
it....
The unit is fixed only at top and bottom, and is height adjustable. The
structure is square section steel tube bolted together, and quite sturdy.
Baskets hang on steel pegs in holes in the main structure, and you can get
extra baskets if you need them.
Not cheap, but not as eye watering as some. Delivery good, no purchase
problems, and a year layer the company still exists - so that's something!
No connection with seller etc.
Charles F
Bolted
> Lobster (davidlobsterpot...@hotmail.com) wibbled on Thursday 13 January 2011
> 19:49:
>
> >www.woodfit.co.ukmight be worth a shufti?
>
> Wow - looks interesting. Have bookmarked as I have a few custom jobs to do.
Isaac Lord carries a very similar range, but its pricing structure is
a lot more retail friendly (i.e. Woodfit has a pretty high standard
trade discount, so if you don't qualify for that, the prices are
steeper than IL).
Bolted
wrote:
> If you DIY it, you stand a good chance of getting something decent.
> But what I've seen of the ones which come with standard kitchens
> (even high-end ones) tend to be pretty poor in terms of ergonomics.
> To wit, they don't pull out very far. You can only access the front
> half of the baskets directly, the back half only by contorting your
> arms and being careful not knock anything over that's in the way.
Any decent one will have full-extension runners - most do, these days.
Tim Watts
Got it - cheers for that :)
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Tim Watts
Jethro
> kitchen ... when we moved in, we scrapped the old boiler which was
> fitted into a cupboard in the kitchen, giving us a nuisance storage
> space which is wide (21") and high (door is 6'4" but head space is
> another foot), but annoyingly deep (28"). I fitted some wooden
> shelves, but it's always been a pig to use on account of the depth.
>
> Have finally discovered the concept of the pull-out larder, and would
> like to adapt this space to have something like this fitted. However
> as far as I can see, the B&Q type stuff is intended for use in their
> cabinets - I don't want that. I want to build one into the cupboard,
> and fix the (currently) hinged door back onto the pull out>
> modular way ... i.e. specify what length runners and framework and
> baskets, for fitting into non-standard spaces ?
I have to say thanks to all, for the useful replies. Having had a
quick look, it seems everyone is just selling standard stuff. AFAICS
the only drawer depth is 470mm, which would waste damn near a foot of
storage space.
I'm tending towards the approach mentioned in this thread by RR, of
building a wheeled trolley, and fixing the cupboard door to that. I
wonder if you can get a rail system to do this ?
Jethro
> In article
> <26f07412-b20a-45e2-ae21-c8f32f4bb...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Jethro<krazyka...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Have finally discovered the concept of the pull-out
> > larder, and would like to adapt this space to have
> > something like this fitted. However as far as I can see,
> > the B&Q type stuff is intended for use in their cabinets
> > - I don't want that. I want to build one into the
> > cupboard, and fix the (currently) hinged door back onto
> > the pull out.
> > Anyone any idea if anyone supplies parts to built your
> > own in a modular way ... i.e. specify what length runners
> > and framework and baskets, for fitting into non-standard
> > spaces ?
>
> This is something on my 'to do' list for later this year, so
> I'll be watching this thread with interest
>
> John
In the end, fed up with trying to bespoke a solution, we took a trip
to IKEA. To our delight we found they sell 50cmx58cm wire baskets on
quite heavy duty runners in the kitchen department. We then found a
50cmx201cm cabinet in the bedroom section which had the holes pre-
drilled to take the runners.
Baskets: £8.xx each
Cabinet:£40.,xx
we got 7 baskets, so total cost was under £100. I've just finished
fitting it all .. took a bit of work to remove the old shelves
(resting on battens that had been nailed into the brick) but it's the
DBs ... the drawers can take 33 500ml bottles of beer full, so
they're plenty strong.
Hope this helps people,
Was very impressed with IKEA, as their range seems to realise that not
every space will take a 60cm unit. So they do 50,40 and 30 ....
Roger Mills
>
>
> In the end, fed up with trying to bespoke a solution, we took a trip
> to IKEA. To our delight we found they sell 50cmx58cm wire baskets on
> quite heavy duty runners in the kitchen department. We then found a
> 50cmx201cm cabinet in the bedroom section which had the holes pre-
> drilled to take the runners.
>
> Baskets: £8.xx each
> Cabinet:£40.,xx
>
> we got 7 baskets, so total cost was under £100. I've just finished
> fitting it all .. took a bit of work to remove the old shelves
> (resting on battens that had been nailed into the brick) but it's the
> DBs ... the drawers can take 33 500ml bottles of beer full, so
> they're plenty strong.
>
> Hope this helps people,
>
> Was very impressed with IKEA, as their range seems to realise that not
> every space will take a 60cm unit. So they do 50,40 and 30 ....
Well done. How about uploading a photo of the finished object somewhere,
and posting a link here?