Elbow Grease - weird rash

[Unknown]

For several months now, I have had an ongoing itchy rash on the back of
both hands, close to the area of my thumbs. For quite a while, I have
been racking my brain trying to work out what might be causing it. My
best guess was washing up, but I have always done at least my share of
that. Then I realised the rash appeared when we swapped from Fairy, to
Elbow Grease liquid - as it seemed to be just as good and a little
cheaper.

On Thursday in the interests of experimentation, I picked up a 2L
bottle of Fairy and have used that in the days since then (SWMBO is
away). The rash now seems to have almost gone.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <s660qk$vss$1...@dont-email.me>,

As a kid, I had a rash. Turned out to be due to the washing powder my
mother used. So I'd guess a reaction to certain detergents not unusual.

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[Richard]

OK. Now you need to determine if the allergy is to the detergent or SWMBO.

;)

[Nick Odell]

I've not tried Elbow Grease but having tried lots of other major
brands and supermarket own-brands I've always come back to Fairy for
better bang for the buck. It keeps my hands soft and gentle too!

Skin is funny stuff. EQDSO struggles to find a soap that doesn't bring
her hands up in a rash and having tried all the Simple, Pure, Organic
etc etc varieties we have found that one particular supermarket's
own-brand cheapest is kindest. Better even than their own-brand "Pure"
variety.

Nick

[Unknown]

Nick Odell used his keyboard to write :

> I've not tried Elbow Grease but having tried lots of other major
> brands and supermarket own-brands I've always come back to Fairy for
> better bang for the buck. It keeps my hands soft and gentle too!

I'll need to double check, before being certain, as in...

Continue with the Fairy for a while, then swap back and see if the rash
reappears to confirm it. It just seemed so odd, only appearing in the
area of my thumbs.

[alan_m]

On 26/04/2021 10:23, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

> Then I realised the rash appeared when we swapped from Fairy, to
> Elbow Grease liquid - as it seemed to be just as good and a little cheaper.
>
> On Thursday in the interests of experimentation, I picked up a 2L bottle
> of Fairy and have used that in the days since then (SWMBO is away). The
> rash now seems to have almost gone.

The Elbow Grease brand also do a yellow coloured general purpose
cleaner. Where used, and dried, it is fluorescent under UV light and
unlike other "substances" that are fluorescent difficult to totally
remove from tile grout and paintwork.

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[jon]

A work colleague, many years ago got Quix washing up liquid into his blood
stream through a wound on his hand, whilst working on his Lambretta. It
manifested itself by causing a band of dermatitis about 4" wide that
travelled up and down his body for the next couple of years.

[Jack Harry Teesdale]

EQDSO?

[Nick Odell]

Ella Que Debe Ser Obedecida - as they (don't) say in Argentina

N.

[Martin Brown]

On 26/04/2021 10:23, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It is possible. One of the impurities in typical washing up liquid
surfactants can be a skin irritant bordering on contact dermatitis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate

I have recently picked up an allergy to a component in one of the
supermarket in store hand sanitisers which is a bit of a nuisance.

I think it arose from skin dryness and scratch damage from gardening and
the Covid secure hand washing measures allowing the stuff to get into
contact with live skin cells. I now react to one particular sort.

I mentioned it to one of my medic friends and they said it had become
very common. Pharmacist recommended an oily handcream Cetraben which
seems to work.

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[Martin Brown]

On 26/04/2021 11:40, Nick Odell wrote:

Dove or Pears pure translucent soap are probably amongst the most
tolerable depending on the exact allergy. My wife is allergic to lanolin
so we have to be very careful with choice of soap and handcream.

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[Andrew]

On 26/04/2021 10:23, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Two litres of fairy liquid would last me for years. You only need
small amounts for normal washing up. Could it be ?excess quantities
that you are using is the real underlying cause ?.

[Andrew]

On 26/04/2021 11:40, Nick Odell wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:23:32 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
> <a...@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>

>> On Thursday in the interests of experimentation, I picked up a 2L
>> bottle of Fairy and have used that in the days since then (SWMBO is
>> away). The rash now seems to have almost gone.
>
> I've not tried Elbow Grease but having tried lots of other major
> brands and supermarket own-brands I've always come back to Fairy for
> better bang for the buck. It keeps my hands soft and gentle too!
>

+1

When it is really hot, if I am doing any heavy duty DIY or
gardening the only way I can degrease my face is to use
Fairy Liquid. very effective.

There was a documentary filmed in a coal mine somewhere
north of Watford and the miners all used fairy liquid as
hair shampoo.

[R D S]

On 26/04/2021 11:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> As a kid, I had a rash. Turned out to be due to the washing powder my
> mother used. So I'd guess a reaction to certain detergents not unusual.
>

My skin is fussy as to what we wash clothes with.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <s66h6p$u6o$1...@dont-email.me>,

Not sure, but think some may react more to bio powders?

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[Unknown]

Andrew brought next idea :

> Two litres of fairy liquid would last me for years. You only need
> small amounts for normal washing up. Could it be ?excess quantities
> that you are using is the real underlying cause ?.

It should last for years, I tend to buy what ever size is most economic
to buy.

[Another Dave]

On 26/04/2021 10:23, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>

> On Thursday in the interests of experimentation, I picked up a 2L bottle
> of Fairy and have used that in the days since then (SWMBO is away). The
> rash now seems to have almost gone.

I'm a massive fan of Fairy liquid. I used cheap stuff for a while and
found myself having to use three times as much so it was more expensive
than Fairy. I also use it as handwash. I'd use it as shampoo and shower
gel but that's a bit eccentric.

Another Dave

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Yeah, even google didn’t help with that.

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Well, bad luck then you are obviously allergic slightly to some component
used in that liquid. Does it list what is actually in it?

Brian

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> On 26/04/2021 11:40, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:23:32 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>> <a...@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>> On Thursday in the interests of experimentation, I picked up a 2L
>>> bottle of Fairy and have used that in the days since then (SWMBO is
>>> away). The rash now seems to have almost gone.
>>
>> I've not tried Elbow Grease but having tried lots of other major
>> brands and supermarket own-brands I've always come back to Fairy for
>> better bang for the buck. It keeps my hands soft and gentle too!
>>
> +1
>
> When it is really hot, if I am doing any heavy duty DIY or
> gardening the only way I can degrease my face is to use
> Fairy Liquid. very effective.

That’s because you are a greasy wog. Well known problem.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Would you not expect it to be all gone in the rinse stage though? If not you
are replacing one sort of muck with another sort of muck called washing
powder. I use those balls of liquid now, much less mess and then use
slightly diluted comfort. This seems not to cause any issues.

Brian

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[Paul]

"Elbow Grease Washing Up Liquid 740ml"

Ingredients

Contains amongst other ingredients:

15 to 30% Anionic Surfactants,
<5% Non Ionic Surfactants,
EDTA, Ethylene Diamine Tetra Acetic, used for chelation
Parfum,
Limonene, Monoterpene Limonene (used for removing sticky label glue)
Methylchloroisothiazolinone, a biocide
Methylisothiazolinone a biocide

Yummy. Rinse well.

How is the competition doing ?

https://theecologist.org/2009/feb/05/behind-label-fairy-liquid

• Aqua
• Sodium laureth sulphate
• Alcohol denat
• Lauramine oxide
• C9-11 pareth-8
• Sodium chloride
• 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
• PPG (polypropylene glycols)
• Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
• Parfum
• Geraniol
• Limonene
• Colourant

"You're soaking in it"

And you're eating off those plates.

Makes you wonder what the "Fairy with antibacterial" has in it, in addition.
A biocide ?

I'm almost sorry I looked these up.
I would have guessed "just a surfactant" when looking at the bottle.

Paul

[Steve Walker]

On 26/04/2021 21:02, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Would you not expect it to be all gone in the rinse stage though? If not you
> are replacing one sort of muck with another sort of muck called washing
> powder. I use those balls of liquid now, much less mess and then use
> slightly diluted comfort. This seems not to cause any issues.
> Brian

Unfortunately the performance standards for washing machines only
include electricity used per cycle, water used per cycle and how clean
the clothes get - and this is tested on an Eco cycle that takes so long
that you will never use it, unless you are going to leave it running
overnight (our new machine takes 4-1/2 hours or more on that setting).

There is no assessment of how well the clothes are rinsed and so
manufacturers use the minimum amount of water and rinses that they can
get away with.

Even our old machine would throw soapy water on the glass door during
the final spin and leave a pool of bubbly water in the door seal.

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[S Viemeister]

This is why I always set my washer to do an extra rinse - it also helps
to get rid of the perfumes they add.

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Our washing machine has a 30-minute wash/rinse/slow-spin cycle. It also has
a dedicated rinse-only cycle... which takes 40 minutes. I presume the latter
is a *lot* more thorough with its rinsing - either it sloshes the clothes in
the same rinse water for longer or else it has more empty/fill cycles.


Washing powder versus capsules of liquid... Do the liquid capsules really
dissolve that much better? I've occasionally had clothes that still have a
bit of concentrated liquid in a fold after a wash/rinse/spin programme,
whereas I don't remember ever having clothes with powder gunge on them. If
the powder doesn't fully dissolve, the gunge remains in the drawer and
doesn't seem to make it into the drum and into contact with the clothes. My
wife went through a phase of using "soap nuts" in a plastic "egg". It
probably got the clothes as clean as a capsule, but the absence of any
perfume meant there was nothing to mask the smell of stale "soap nuts" after
they had been used a few times - the nuts are barely soluble so they don't
have to be replaced with every new load of washing.

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Brian Gaff (Sofa) <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> Would you not expect it to be all gone in the rinse stage though?

Nope, particularly with the whiter than white detergents.
They work by leaving fluorescents on the washed clothes.

> If not you are replacing one sort of muck with another sort of muck called
> washing powder.

Yes, but that’s what makes it whiter than white.

> I use those balls of liquid now, much less mess and then use slightly
> diluted comfort. This seems not to cause any issues.

The only issue I ever have and it’s a massive problem is that
the dark blue T shirts I wear all year round show soap scum.
Never visible on anything else for some odd reason.

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[Nick Odell]

Thanks for the suggestion. We suspect (but don't actually know) that
added glycerine contributes to the problem so we've tended to avoid
the translucent ones. But I don't have any problems like that (touch
wood) so we could give it a try and I could use it if it didn't work
for her.

Thanks again,

Nick

[Paul]

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Well, bad luck then you are obviously allergic slightly to some component
> used in that liquid. Does it list what is actually in it?
>
> Brian

Companies do not do anything which is not required by law.

The only active ingredient on my bottle of washing up
here is "anionic surfactant". There is no complete
ingredient list. P&G doesn't list stuff it does
not have to.

If you look at tooth cleaning products however, the
ingredient list is quite detailed. And necessarily
so, as some compositions are not fit for use! Specifically,
the ones with strong compounds used to whiten teeth.
I have to read the label on each box, before I buy some
of that. That's because the ingredient list changes
frequently (the industry had a meltdown a couple
years ago - the removal of plastic microspheres was
the kickoff event).

Paul

[alan_m]

On 26/04/2021 21:22, S Viemeister wrote:

> This is why I always set my washer to do an extra rinse - it also helps
> to get rid of the perfumes they add.

+1 (rinse with more water)

I guess also that many people use too much washing power/detergent in
with every load. Half the dose stated on the plastic bottle is
sufficient for the majority of clothes cleaning.

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[alan_m]

On 26/04/2021 21:41, Rod Speed wrote:
> Brian Gaff (Sofa) <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>
>> Would you not expect it to be all gone in the rinse stage though?
>
> Nope, particularly with the whiter than white detergents.
> They work by leaving fluorescents on the washed clothes.

Or dyed them blue :)

[Chris J Dixon]

alan_m wrote:

>I guess also that many people use too much washing power/detergent in
>with every load. Half the dose stated on the plastic bottle is
>sufficient for the majority of clothes cleaning.

The Sainsbury's washing liquid I use has a measuring cap. The
dose size upon which they calculate the number of washes is less
than the lowest marking on the cap.

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