On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:15:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>On 25/09/2021 16:50, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:21:17 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Dave Johnson wrote:
>>>>> An old pal of mine (just turned 80) is *very* computer illiterate and
>>>>> really struggles like hell with keeping Windows running on his PC. He
>>>>> really needs something which looks after itself and requires bare
>>>>> minimal user maintenance.
>>>>> I was thinking perhaps a Chromebook
>>> Chromebook ticks that box.
>>>>> or else
>>>>> something by Apple. But I'm a bit out of touch. There may be something
>>>>> better out there nowadays. It's just email and Farcebook he uses
>>>>> mainly. Anyway, suggestions welcome and will be passed on. Cheers.
>>>> To be honest if he knows NOTHING about computers set him up on Linux Mint
>>> That's ok, but if it/he *does* have problems, who will sort them?
>> I don't see anywhere where Dagenham Dave stated he was familiar with
>> Linux at all in the OP!
>So what? You dont need to be.
I beg to differ. I'd like to see someone with no foreknowledge of
Linux locate a suitable Mint variant, correctly burn it to disk, run
it, understand how 'root' differs from ordinary users, sufficiently to
be able to introduce the old fucker to the system, how it works, where
everything is, what the unfamiliar names for apps are Windows
analogues/proxies for and provide enough support to see the old git
through those precarious first few weeks whilst he's tearing what's
left of his hair out.
>Mint MATE 20 is a 'shove the DVD in the drive answer two or three simple
>questions and its installed;
They're simple enough if you're familiar with Linux and disc
partitioning. DD didn't say he'd even heard of it.
>Anyone who is familiar with XP can drive it, and there is far more help
>available online and a complete PDF manual which isn't the case for
>windows OR Mac
ITYF the major bookstores' titles on Windows outnumber those on Linux
by an order of magnitude!
> Plus, even if Mint is entirely suitable for
>> novices (which is questionable) there will be issues when the old boy
>> needs to print out an email - or anything else for that matter, 'cos
>> the drivers won't be present.
>Most printers 'just work' with the included lists of PPDS. And the OP
>never mentioned printing
There are *loads* of things he didn't mention that the old fart will
doubtless require further down the road.
>It isn't Windows, It's much simpler.
I prefer it personally, but you can't get to grips with it straight
'out of the box' with no foreknowledge whatsoever. Ain't possible, m8.
> Likewise any other peripherals will
>> likely all need drivers sourcing and installing (command line stuff so
>> a non-starter for a technophobe in my view).
>Why, when you clearly are completely ignorant of how Linux Mint deals
>with hardware, do you post such misinformation?.
>There is no need to use the command line AT ALL for anything.
>The whole thrust of the distro is to automate everything of that nature
>You run a 'driver manager' app, it scans the hardware, tells you what
>you need to install, and installs it for you. Even yoiu should be able
>to manage that
I'll take your word for it. As a Slacker, sourcing and installing
drivers takes up more time than getting shit actually done!
>And why would an 80- year old boy who just wants email facebook, maybe
>skype and maybe whatsapp, need 'other peripherals'?
>Maybe a webcam and speakers, but they work 'out of the box' without drivers
>My experience is that even if you shove e.g. a scanner in front of a non
>computer literate 80 years old he still wont be able to use it.
>The reason to use linux Mint is that once set up it is no more
>incomprehensible than windows or macs, and from experience it is far
>less likely to go wrong. And its almost impossible to catch a virus. So
>less support calls
Mint doesn't "look after itself" to anything like the extent required
for some old coffin-dodger to use with ease, I'm afraid.
>It is FAR more suitable for elderly people than windows.
If you say so, old boy. I'm not convinced myself.
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against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
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