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SteveW
Feb 4, 2023, 7:36:28 PM2/4/23
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We have DECT phones, with the base station plugged into the analogue
phone port of out router. We also have an old rotary dial phone, but the
phone sockets are still connected to the master socket, which is
connected to the unused landline.
I could disconnect the analogue sockets from the old master socket and
connect them to the router's analogue connection, but that means going
under the floor and running a cable through an inaccessible area under
the extension.
It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
and not tied to BT's home hub?
phone port of out router. We also have an old rotary dial phone, but the
phone sockets are still connected to the master socket, which is
connected to the unused landline.
I could disconnect the analogue sockets from the old master socket and
connect them to the router's analogue connection, but that means going
under the floor and running a cable through an inaccessible area under
the extension.
It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
and not tied to BT's home hub?
Brian Gaff
Feb 5, 2023, 7:23:11 AM2/5/23
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No, I'm not sure what the problem is. Surely you will no matter what you do,
you will need to get a hard wire to that difficult place. T other thought is
to find a place where you can get to and move stuff around so it can be
wired. I'm not sure how many phones the router phone connections can take
though, so it might be a suck it and see. I'm still on old copper since I
seem to get more misdialled numbers on the voip, so Virgin put it back to
copper.
Brian
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you will need to get a hard wire to that difficult place. T other thought is
to find a place where you can get to and move stuff around so it can be
wired. I'm not sure how many phones the router phone connections can take
though, so it might be a suck it and see. I'm still on old copper since I
seem to get more misdialled numbers on the voip, so Virgin put it back to
copper.
Brian
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SteveW
Feb 5, 2023, 11:34:43 AM2/5/23
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On 05/02/2023 12:23, Brian Gaff wrote:
> No, I'm not sure what the problem is. Surely you will no matter what you do,
> you will need to get a hard wire to that difficult place.
No. You can get (but they are very expensive or locked to BT) units that
> No, I'm not sure what the problem is. Surely you will no matter what you do,
> you will need to get a hard wire to that difficult place.
plug into the mains for power and into which you plug a phone. The unit
then acts as a DECT handset, allowing it to communicate with your other
phones' wireless base station.
All of our phones are wireless DECT phones, except for this one phone.
> T other thought is
> to find a place where you can get to and move stuff around so it can be
> wired.
and decorative - made between 1940 and 1947 from what I have read.
The router is in the conservatory. To be able to get the phone to a
position where a wire could easily be run would require placing it in
the extension instead of the main living room, but my disabled wife
could not stand long enough for calls and the only location that I could
get a wire to (without running across doorways) cannot have a chair, as
it would be directly blocking the kitchen door or the door to the
conservatory door.
There is no access under the extension floor, as it is surrounded by
brick walls and the floor cannot be lifted, as there is laminate
flooring, fitted under the skirtings. That is why it is difficult to get
a wire from the conservatory, through the extension and into the living
room.
> I'm not sure how many phones the router phone connections can take
> though, so it might be a suck it and see.
the other phone should not overload it - if I could get a wire to it. If
I can get a DECT adapter though, then only the existing DECT base
station would be loading the router, so there would be no problem.
> I'm still on old copper since I
> seem to get more misdialled numbers on the voip, so Virgin put it back to
> copper.
that we've been with them.
Dave W
Feb 5, 2023, 2:40:14 PM2/5/23
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 00:36:21 +0000, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:
I don't understand your post. I have an analogue landline (but BT say
it will be changed to digital within a year, and new phones will be
supplied). I have a cordless DECT phone with a charging master station
that plugs into the landline, and a wifi router which also plugs into
the landline.
You say your landline is unused, so where does your router get its
input? My wifi router has ethernet sockets on the back - is that what
you mean by the router's analogue connection? Perhaps your landline is
digital?
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it will be changed to digital within a year, and new phones will be
supplied). I have a cordless DECT phone with a charging master station
that plugs into the landline, and a wifi router which also plugs into
the landline.
You say your landline is unused, so where does your router get its
input? My wifi router has ethernet sockets on the back - is that what
you mean by the router's analogue connection? Perhaps your landline is
digital?
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Dave W
SteveW
Feb 5, 2023, 4:30:58 PM2/5/23
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for analogue phones, which it then digitises internally and communicates
with the outside world over their own co-axial cable/fibre network.
Effectively the port on the router acts as the equivalent to the BT
master socket, but there is no dedicated external phone line.
The existing phones are one analogue phone (an old, rotary dial as it
happens), which works fine plugged into the router and a DECT base
station for a number of cordless phones, which also works fine plugged
into the router.
I moved the DECT base station into the conservatory, where the router is
and the cordless phones all work well. However, the old phone sockets
remain connected to the redundant BT master socket at the front of the
house. I can disconnect them from it, but to get the rotary dial phone
working at its location in the living room, I'd then need to connect
that wiring to the router's phone port.
The problem is simply inaccessibility to run such a cable - the router
being in the conservatory and the phone wiring being under the
living-room, with the two separated by two brick walls and an
inaccessible space under the house extension.
What I am looking for is a mains-powered device that I can connect the
rotary dial phone to and which, in turn, produces a DECT signal to
connect to my existing cordless phone base station - effectively turning
the analogue phone into another DECT cordless phone.
Such devices do exist, but they appear to be expensive £300+ or locked
to the built-in DECT base station in a BT fibre hub and I am hoping that
someone has seen a cheaper equivalent or how to unlock a BT device.
The Natural Philosopher
Feb 5, 2023, 7:20:27 PM2/5/23
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On 05/02/2023 16:32, SteveW wrote:
> There is no access under the extension floor, as it is surrounded by
> brick walls and the floor cannot be lifted, as there is laminate
> flooring, fitted under the skirtings. That is why it is difficult to get
> a wire from the conservatory, through the extension and into the living
> room.
Rip off the skirtings, wire, and replace. In extremis chisel out
> There is no access under the extension floor, as it is surrounded by
> brick walls and the floor cannot be lifted, as there is laminate
> flooring, fitted under the skirtings. That is why it is difficult to get
> a wire from the conservatory, through the extension and into the living
> room.
plaster., lay in wires and reskim,
Either you need it doing (properly) or its not worth doing at all.
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The Natural Philosopher
Feb 5, 2023, 7:23:18 PM2/5/23
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On 05/02/2023 19:38, Dave W wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 00:36:21 +0000, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> We have DECT phones, with the base station plugged into the analogue
>> phone port of out router. We also have an old rotary dial phone, but the
>> phone sockets are still connected to the master socket, which is
>> connected to the unused landline.
>>
>> I could disconnect the analogue sockets from the old master socket and
>> connect them to the router's analogue connection, but that means going
>> under the floor and running a cable through an inaccessible area under
>> the extension.
>>
>> It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
>> analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
>> and not tied to BT's home hub?
>
> I don't understand your post. I have an analogue landline (but BT say
> it will be changed to digital within a year, and new phones will be
> supplied). I have a cordless DECT phone with a charging master station
> that plugs into the landline, and a wifi router which also plugs into
> the landline.
It sounds like he has a VOIP equipped router
> wrote:
>
>> We have DECT phones, with the base station plugged into the analogue
>> phone port of out router. We also have an old rotary dial phone, but the
>> phone sockets are still connected to the master socket, which is
>> connected to the unused landline.
>>
>> I could disconnect the analogue sockets from the old master socket and
>> connect them to the router's analogue connection, but that means going
>> under the floor and running a cable through an inaccessible area under
>> the extension.
>>
>> It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
>> analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
>> and not tied to BT's home hub?
>
> I don't understand your post. I have an analogue landline (but BT say
> it will be changed to digital within a year, and new phones will be
> supplied). I have a cordless DECT phone with a charging master station
> that plugs into the landline, and a wifi router which also plugs into
> the landline.
>
> You say your landline is unused, so where does your router get its
> input? My wifi router has ethernet sockets on the back - is that what
> you mean by the router's analogue connection? Perhaps your landline is
> digital?
Nope. Some ADLS routers take a baseband signal and present it at a POTS
> You say your landline is unused, so where does your router get its
> input? My wifi router has ethernet sockets on the back - is that what
> you mean by the router's analogue connection? Perhaps your landline is
> digital?
port and some have VOIP ports.
When he says hss landline is unused he may mean the BT master socket
doesnt have a phone plugged in at all,
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The Natural Philosopher
Feb 5, 2023, 7:27:57 PM2/5/23
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Consider the BT hacǩ. Run a wire to the outside of the house through a
wall, and route it externally to where you need it.
Its often a lot easier than internal and its only phone - doesnt have to
be hi spec.
> The problem is simply inaccessibility to run such a cable - the router
> being in the conservatory and the phone wiring being under the
> living-room, with the two separated by two brick walls and an
> inaccessible space under the house extension.
>
> What I am looking for is a mains-powered device that I can connect the
> rotary dial phone to and which, in turn, produces a DECT signal to
> connect to my existing cordless phone base station - effectively turning
> the analogue phone into another DECT cordless phone.
>
> Such devices do exist, but they appear to be expensive £300+ or locked
> to the built-in DECT base station in a BT fibre hub and I am hoping that
> someone has seen a cheaper equivalent or how to unlock a BT device.
>
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only in others...”
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Thomas Prufer
Feb 6, 2023, 3:11:45 AM2/6/23
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 21:30:54 +0000, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>Such devices do exist, but they appear to be expensive £300+ or locked
>to the built-in DECT base station in a BT fibre hub and I am hoping that
>someone has seen a cheaper equivalent or how to unlock a BT device.
I have ggogled in German, and found this:
>Such devices do exist, but they appear to be expensive £300+ or locked
>to the built-in DECT base station in a BT fibre hub and I am hoping that
>someone has seen a cheaper equivalent or how to unlock a BT device.
DECT TAE DTL 2.0 DECT to Line Adapter
by a company called wantec... 100€ excl. VAT. But I haven't seen a suppier that
actually can suplly one, yet.
Also: Gigaset 1000 TAE
discontinued, but cheap on eBay. There's one with 10 hrs to go, currently at
1€...
Thomas Prufer
SteveW
Feb 6, 2023, 6:22:08 AM2/6/23
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external cables - there were far too many with aerial and satellite
drops, etc.
>> The problem is simply inaccessibility to run such a cable - the router
>> being in the conservatory and the phone wiring being under the
>> living-room, with the two separated by two brick walls and an
>> inaccessible space under the house extension.
>>
>> What I am looking for is a mains-powered device that I can connect the
>> rotary dial phone to and which, in turn, produces a DECT signal to
>> connect to my existing cordless phone base station - effectively
>> turning the analogue phone into another DECT cordless phone.
>>
> I think the consensus is such does not exist
to a BT system for the much cheaper, but locked to BT version.
I have decided to do it another way though. For less than £40, I can buy
an analogue to DECT unit and DECT to analogue unit. They will only pair
with each other and not with the existing DECT basestation, but it will
allow me to put one of the units by the existing base station and
connect both the existing and new units to the analogue port on the router.
Brian Gaff
Feb 6, 2023, 8:47:27 AM2/6/23
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Yes some weird issues crop up apparently with no real obvious cause. Its one
of those sub clauses of Murphys law I think. I do also use one of those
telephone diallers via the microphone, and every voip I've used seems to
have errors with them, though I fully realise this niche need is due to my
blindness and the inability of most mainstream telephones to ffer speech for
setting up memories. The Amazon echo and my smart phone can accept dictated
numbers, but my brain cells seems to have the numbers equivalent of
dyslexia.
of those sub clauses of Murphys law I think. I do also use one of those
telephone diallers via the microphone, and every voip I've used seems to
have errors with them, though I fully realise this niche need is due to my
blindness and the inability of most mainstream telephones to ffer speech for
setting up memories. The Amazon echo and my smart phone can accept dictated
numbers, but my brain cells seems to have the numbers equivalent of
dyslexia.
Brian
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Owain Lastname
Feb 6, 2023, 11:06:09 AM2/6/23
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On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 00:36:28 UTC, SteveW wrote:
> It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
> analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
> and not tied to BT's home hub?
There are several Instructables on how to turn rotary phones into either DECT or VoIP phones by replacing the innards with a microcontroller.
> It would be a lot easier to use an analogue to DECT converter on the one
> analogue phone, but has anyone seen one that is available, affordable
> and not tied to BT's home hub?
Owain
Rod Speed
Feb 6, 2023, 2:04:13 PM2/6/23
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Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote
> Yes some weird issues crop up apparently with no real obvious cause. Its
> one
> of those sub clauses of Murphys law I think. I do also use one of those
> telephone diallers via the microphone, and every voip I've used seems to
> have errors with them, though I fully realise this niche need is due to
> my
> blindness and the inability of most mainstream telephones to ffer speech
> for
> setting up memories.
Makes more sense to use your iphone and tell siri to call by name from the
contacts.
> The Amazon echo and my smart phone can accept dictated
> numbers, but my brain cells seems to have the numbers equivalent of
> dyslexia.
So use the contact name.
> Yes some weird issues crop up apparently with no real obvious cause. Its
> one
> of those sub clauses of Murphys law I think. I do also use one of those
> telephone diallers via the microphone, and every voip I've used seems to
> have errors with them, though I fully realise this niche need is due to
> my
> blindness and the inability of most mainstream telephones to ffer speech
> for
> setting up memories.
contacts.
> The Amazon echo and my smart phone can accept dictated
> numbers, but my brain cells seems to have the numbers equivalent of
> dyslexia.
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Dave W
Feb 8, 2023, 8:43:33 AM2/8/23
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there were, you could connect it to your router via a jumper cable,
and your dial phone might work as all the sockets are connected
together. I also assume you can't move the router to the dial phone
because the network cable is on the conservatory side of the wall.
A dial phone just shorts the line 10 times a second. Your router
analogue output probably only caters for touch-tone phones, so you'd
need a computer interface to convert the pulses to touch-tones if you
wanted to dial out from your old phone.
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SteveW
Feb 8, 2023, 11:53:21 AM2/8/23
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other, as we were not using the conservatory sockets and the cable was
removed due to fault.
> I also assume you can't move the router to the dial phone
> because the network cable is on the conservatory side of the wall.
home server and network switch are in there. So moving the router would
involve moving movre cables.
> A dial phone just shorts the line 10 times a second. Your router
> analogue output probably only caters for touch-tone phones, so you'd
> need a computer interface to convert the pulses to touch-tones if you
> wanted to dial out from your old phone.
(which did surprise me) - although a future replacement may not be.
I've decided to use a different option now anyway - I can buy a matched
pair of sender and receiver, one end having the phone plugged in and the
other plugging into the router's analogue phone port, in parallel to the
existing DECT basestation. It seems a bit daft, as the pair operate via
DECT, but will only pair with each other and not another basestation.
Presumably they are not GAP compatible.
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