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Mentalguy2k8
Aug 7, 2013, 9:04:54 AM8/7/13
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Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of the
earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
Started me thinking, what if one of the wires had snapped off? There's only
just enough cabling to (just) reach the terminals inside the ceiling rose,
so what would the (sensible) option be? A chocolate block small enough to
fit inside the rose, or would you have to replace the whole cabling from
there to where it comes from?
Why are some sparkies so obsessed with leaving so little cable that it's
almost under tension when fitted? I put up a ceiling fan in my last house
and whatever wire I connected first, it left me with about an inch of gap to
put all the other wires in the right holes and screw up the fittings, while
balancing a heavy motor on my head. Ridiculous.
earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
Started me thinking, what if one of the wires had snapped off? There's only
just enough cabling to (just) reach the terminals inside the ceiling rose,
so what would the (sensible) option be? A chocolate block small enough to
fit inside the rose, or would you have to replace the whole cabling from
there to where it comes from?
Why are some sparkies so obsessed with leaving so little cable that it's
almost under tension when fitted? I put up a ceiling fan in my last house
and whatever wire I connected first, it left me with about an inch of gap to
put all the other wires in the right holes and screw up the fittings, while
balancing a heavy motor on my head. Ridiculous.
Frank Erskine
Aug 7, 2013, 9:38:12 AM8/7/13
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of the
>earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
Hmm - does it rely on an earth to work?
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of the
>earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Aug 7, 2013, 9:38:21 AM8/7/13
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In article <kttgln$8tk$1...@dont-email.me>,
adrift stopped it working. Could be a very dangerous fault.
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Mentalguy2k8 <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of the
> earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
You really need to have it checked over professionally if an earth coming
> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of the
> earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
adrift stopped it working. Could be a very dangerous fault.
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Archibald
Aug 7, 2013, 9:48:24 AM8/7/13
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humbly suggest you rethink your faultfinding approach, and maybe take
another look.
Personally I would stick another JB in the ceiling, although you can
get small boxes containing a bit of barrier strip now.
AB
Rob Morley
Aug 7, 2013, 11:29:53 AM8/7/13
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100
"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
>
An earth coming adrift won't stop a light from working unless it's
> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
>
wired incorrectly. Wonder why an unexposed cable would come loose.
bert
Aug 7, 2013, 11:58:17 AM8/7/13
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In message <20130807162953.77166261@hyperion>, Rob Morley
<nos...@ntlworld.com> writes
Probably because it was installed by one of Adam's ace apprentices?
That's what happened with our extension - on 3 separate light fittings.
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bert
<nos...@ntlworld.com> writes
That's what happened with our extension - on 3 separate light fittings.
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bert
Mentalguy2k8
Aug 7, 2013, 12:09:44 PM8/7/13
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"Rob Morley" <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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and the electricity off, I didn't think any of the others were noticably
loose but maybe one was, a couple of them (and the obviously misplaced earth
one) had been put into the fitting without (it looked to me) having had the
insulation stripped back properly first. I stripped them back a bit "just in
case" and refitted them nice and tightly.
If it makes any difference, it is a simple on/off switch that used to be a
metal dimmer switch and it controls 2 ceiling lights about 12 feet apart. No
idea why it stopped working when it did, it was OK one day and the next day
the lights were dead.
charles
Aug 7, 2013, 12:16:22 PM8/7/13
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In article <acj409pmd42ntudgl...@4ax.com>,
some fluorescent needed the body earthed to get the tube to strike.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Aug 7, 2013, 12:46:01 PM8/7/13
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In article <53778e45...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
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charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <acj409pmd42ntudgl...@4ax.com>,
> Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
> > <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> > >the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
> > Hmm - does it rely on an earth to work?
> some fluorescent needed the body earthed to get the tube to strike.
That's going back a bit. ;-)
> In article <acj409pmd42ntudgl...@4ax.com>,
> Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
> > <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> > >the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
> > Hmm - does it rely on an earth to work?
> some fluorescent needed the body earthed to get the tube to strike.
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ARW
Aug 7, 2013, 12:57:17 PM8/7/13
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Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
> "Rob Morley" <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:20130807162953.77166261@hyperion...
>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100
>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
>>> the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
>>>
>> An earth coming adrift won't stop a light from working unless it's
>> wired incorrectly. Wonder why an unexposed cable would come loose.
>
> I should have said that I tightened all of the wires up while I had
> it open and the electricity off, I didn't think any of the others
> were noticably loose but maybe one was, a couple of them (and the
> obviously misplaced earth one) had been put into the fitting without
> (it looked to me) having had the insulation stripped back properly
> first. I stripped them back a bit "just in case" and refitted them
> nice and tightly.
Is this "earth sleeving" or "proper insulation" covering the earth cable?
> "Rob Morley" <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:20130807162953.77166261@hyperion...
>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100
>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
>>> the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
>>>
>> An earth coming adrift won't stop a light from working unless it's
>> wired incorrectly. Wonder why an unexposed cable would come loose.
>
> I should have said that I tightened all of the wires up while I had
> it open and the electricity off, I didn't think any of the others
> were noticably loose but maybe one was, a couple of them (and the
> obviously misplaced earth one) had been put into the fitting without
> (it looked to me) having had the insulation stripped back properly
> first. I stripped them back a bit "just in case" and refitted them
> nice and tightly.
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charles
Aug 7, 2013, 1:09:00 PM8/7/13
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In article <537790f...@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <53778e45...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
> charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <acj409pmd42ntudgl...@4ax.com>,
> > Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
> > > <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> > > >the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
> > > Hmm - does it rely on an earth to work?
> > some fluorescent needed the body earthed to get the tube to strike.
> That's going back a bit. ;-)
but some are still inservice ;-(
> In article <53778e45...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
> charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <acj409pmd42ntudgl...@4ax.com>,
> > Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:04:54 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
> > > <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Just fixed a ceiling light that had stopped working because one of
> > > >the earths had come out of the terminal inside the ceiling fitting.
> > > Hmm - does it rely on an earth to work?
> > some fluorescent needed the body earthed to get the tube to strike.
> That's going back a bit. ;-)
Mentalguy2k8
Aug 7, 2013, 1:24:25 PM8/7/13
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"ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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could be just pulled off with the fingers. It was this that was held by the
screw in the fitting, either the earth cable was never put in there or it
popped out at some point.
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Aug 7, 2013, 1:55:30 PM8/7/13
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Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
> Started me thinking, what if one of the wires had snapped off? There's only
> just enough cabling to (just) reach the terminals inside the ceiling rose,
> so what would the (sensible) option be? A chocolate block small enough to
> fit inside the rose, or would you have to replace the whole cabling from
> there to where it comes from?
I have a bathroom light where the choc block is already wedged up to the ceiling with the wire ends just about poking out of the ceiling far enough to be caught by the terminals.
> Started me thinking, what if one of the wires had snapped off? There's only
> just enough cabling to (just) reach the terminals inside the ceiling rose,
> so what would the (sensible) option be? A chocolate block small enough to
> fit inside the rose, or would you have to replace the whole cabling from
> there to where it comes from?
Some form of crimp might do if I could find crimp tool that will do 'end on' crimp instead of requiring sideways access to the cable.
I shall require similar if I am to repuropse the obsolete underfloor heating thermostat wires into 2 amp sockets for the 'tannoy' system. The wires have all been cut short in the BESA boxes.
Owain
Graham.
Aug 7, 2013, 1:59:54 PM8/7/13
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:55:30 -0700 (PDT), spuorg...@gowanhill.com
wrote:
Well a man needs something to summon SWMBO with pipe & slippers.
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Aug 7, 2013, 4:30:37 PM8/7/13
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spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Aug 7, 2013, 5:53:10 PM8/7/13
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Graham. wrote:
> >I shall require similar if I am to repuropse the obsolete underfloor
> >heating thermostat wires into 2 amp sockets for the 'tannoy' system.
> >The wires have all been cut short in the BESA boxes.
> >I shall require similar if I am to repuropse the obsolete underfloor
> >heating thermostat wires into 2 amp sockets for the 'tannoy' system.
> >The wires have all been cut short in the BESA boxes.
> Well a man needs something to summon SWMBO with pipe & slippers.
It's so I can have classic FM in the bathroom.
There are a variety of PBXen for telephonically summoning the domestics.
Owain
Brian Gaff
Aug 7, 2013, 5:54:25 PM8/7/13
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Could have looked good on You bin framed though.
No idea as to why its done, but its nothing new. My house wired in the 70s
is just the same.
Brian
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No idea as to why its done, but its nothing new. My house wired in the 70s
is just the same.
Brian
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Mentalguy2k8
Aug 8, 2013, 6:24:29 AM8/8/13
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"Brian Gaff" <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Could have looked good on You bin framed though.
> No idea as to why its done, but its nothing new. My house wired in the 70s
> is just the same.
Maybe they're different now, but I remember wondering at the time why they
> No idea as to why its done, but its nothing new. My house wired in the 70s
> is just the same.
didn't make the terminal block removable so you could wire it all up and
*then* plug the main motor unit into it instead of having to hold the whole
thing up with one hand and try to push wires into terminals and screw them
up with the other.
John Rumm
Aug 8, 2013, 9:14:43 AM8/8/13
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http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT101C.html
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