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Michael Kilpatrick
Nov 12, 2011, 5:21:00 AM11/12/11
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At last, after two years, I've got round to sorting out some parquet for
our hallway after it was extended.
I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being
thrown together in large bags, all sticking together.
Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the
question is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the
offending bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about it?
I imagine I'll also need to get as much of the bitumen off the underside
of the blocks, so there'll be a lot of manual labour for me before we
get to lay it!
Michael
our hallway after it was extended.
I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being
thrown together in large bags, all sticking together.
Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the
question is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the
offending bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about it?
I imagine I'll also need to get as much of the bitumen off the underside
of the blocks, so there'll be a lot of manual labour for me before we
get to lay it!
Michael
The Medway Handyman
Nov 12, 2011, 6:08:01 AM11/12/11
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effective, especially the 'orange' based ones;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-limonene
http://www.valeterspride.co.uk/tar--glue-remover-valeting-product-113-p.asp
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-and-exterior/valet-pro-citrus-tar-and-glue-remover/prod_586.html
http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/carpro-tarx-powerful-tar-and-glue-remover-50ml-sample.php?osCsid=bh4gdh9bnic853780mljrn0bm3
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
Michael Kilpatrick
Nov 12, 2011, 6:24:30 AM11/12/11
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On 12/11/2011 11:08, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> On 12/11/2011 10:21, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
>> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
>> up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface
[snip]
> On 12/11/2011 10:21, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
>> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
>> up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface
>
> Car valeters use a specific Tar & Glue Remover for this & its very
> effective, especially the 'orange' based ones;
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-limonene
>
> http://www.valeterspride.co.uk/tar--glue-remover-valeting-product-113-p.asp
>
> http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-and-exterior/valet-pro-citrus-tar-and-glue-remover/prod_586.html
>
>
> http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/carpro-tarx-powerful-tar-and-glue-remover-50ml-sample.php?osCsid=bh4gdh9bnic853780mljrn0bm3
valeting, that the products in question leave the wood/etc in very good
condition for a quick sanding and finishing afterwards. I'll look into
that. Obviously the requirements for removing tar from the top surface
of the parquet is more detailed than that for the underside, where it
doesn't matter if the wood is stained and blotched.
Michael
the_constructor
Nov 12, 2011, 7:17:49 AM11/12/11
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"Michael Kilpatrick" <ne...@mkilpatrick.cospam.uk> wrote in message
news:Kf2dnUqG19gI1SPT...@brightview.co.uk...
> At last, after two years, I've got round to sorting out some parquet for
> our hallway after it was extended.
>
> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug up
> so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being thrown
> together in large bags, all sticking together.
>
> Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the question
> is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the offending
> bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about it?
I found white spirit is just as good as anything..
> our hallway after it was extended.
>
> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug up
> so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being thrown
> together in large bags, all sticking together.
>
> Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the question
> is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the offending
> bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about it?
Jim G
John Rumm
Nov 12, 2011, 8:56:13 AM11/12/11
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On 12/11/2011 10:21, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
> At last, after two years, I've got round to sorting out some parquet for
> our hallway after it was extended.
>
> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
> up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being
> thrown together in large bags, all sticking together.
>
> Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the
> question is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the
> offending bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about
> it?
I think if you took any great globs of it off prior to sanding, that
> our hallway after it was extended.
>
> I got some parquet - more than enough - for a song, off ebay, but
> unfortunately it wasn't packed (back-to-back) properly when it was dug
> up so many of the blocks have bitumen on the top surface after being
> thrown together in large bags, all sticking together.
>
> Clearly the parquet will be sanded down after it is laid, but the
> question is, should I do something beforehand to remove as much of the
> offending bitumen as humanly possible? And if so, how do I best go about
> it?
would be adequate rather than "as much of the offending bitumen as
humanly possible". White spirit will wipe off most of it, although it
niffs, and would be more of a fire risk than the citrus based tar removers.
> I imagine I'll also need to get as much of the bitumen off the underside
> of the blocks, so there'll be a lot of manual labour for me before we
> get to lay it!
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John.
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NT
Nov 12, 2011, 4:45:43 PM11/12/11
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On Nov 12, 10:21 am, Michael Kilpatrick <n...@mkilpatrick.cospam.uk>
wrote:
Paraffin removes it. No need to remove it from the underside, as long
as you use bitumen to stick the blocks down. If you use a more modern
adhesive, it all has to come off.
NT
wrote:
as you use bitumen to stick the blocks down. If you use a more modern
adhesive, it all has to come off.
NT
here@home.com DerbyBoy
Nov 12, 2011, 4:53:47 PM11/12/11
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"NT" wrote in message
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mechanical / manual removal.
NT
Nov 13, 2011, 3:54:04 AM11/13/11
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applied.
NT
Moonraker
Nov 13, 2011, 4:13:47 AM11/13/11
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paint stripping mode, then when the bitumen had soften scraped it off.
There was little remaining which I hand sanded. Worked for me.
--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire
Bolted
Nov 13, 2011, 6:13:29 AM11/13/11
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On Nov 12, 9:45 pm, NT <meow2...@care2.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 10:21 am, Michael Kilpatrick <n...@mkilpatrick.cospam.uk>
> On Nov 12, 10:21 am, Michael Kilpatrick <n...@mkilpatrick.cospam.uk>
> > I imagine I'll also need to get as much of the bitumen off the underside
> > of the blocks, so there'll be a lot of manual labour for me before we
> > get to lay it!
> > of the blocks, so there'll be a lot of manual labour for me before we
> > get to lay it!
> Paraffin removes it. No need to remove it from the underside, as long
> as you use bitumen to stick the blocks down. If you use a more modern
> adhesive, it all has to come off.
There are plenty of modern adhesives which are bitumen compatible
> as you use bitumen to stick the blocks down. If you use a more modern
> adhesive, it all has to come off.
(like lecol 5500, etc).
Whether you have to remove any depends on the state of the underside.
The reclaimed parquet I've used came with a very smooth even layer, so
it was left on, but I've seen some with really crusty thick stuff
which looked impossible to work with (with any adhesive).
John Bryan
Nov 14, 2011, 11:08:36 AM11/14/11
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In message <Kf2dnUqG19gI1SPT...@brightview.co.uk>
After quite a lot of experimenting I found a rotary wire brush the
easiest and quickest way remove the bitumen. Place blocks side by side
on a workmate top, gripped by two bits of wood and clean away. I
managed to about 350 before the wire brush fell apart but a new rotary
brush is only a few quid. Throw away the clothing unless you like the
smell of bitumen! Hope this helps.
--
John Bryan
easiest and quickest way remove the bitumen. Place blocks side by side
on a workmate top, gripped by two bits of wood and clean away. I
managed to about 350 before the wire brush fell apart but a new rotary
brush is only a few quid. Throw away the clothing unless you like the
smell of bitumen! Hope this helps.
--
John Bryan
Andrew Gabriel
Nov 15, 2011, 5:18:27 PM11/15/11
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In article <RYydnaW9E4xg5yPT...@brightview.co.uk>,
and you want to avoid that before sanding.
White spirit shouldn't do that, and once it's evaporated, there
will be no residue and no smell. I would only be worried in case
it managed to wash any tar deeper into the surface, but I suspect
it won't go deep enough that it won't be pretty instantly sanded
off, but I would test a bit first.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
>
> I think if you took any great globs of it off prior to sanding, that
> would be adequate rather than "as much of the offending bitumen as
> humanly possible". White spirit will wipe off most of it, although it
> niffs, and would be more of a fire risk than the citrus based tar removers.
Citrus based product may raise the grain, as it contains water,
>
> I think if you took any great globs of it off prior to sanding, that
> would be adequate rather than "as much of the offending bitumen as
> humanly possible". White spirit will wipe off most of it, although it
> niffs, and would be more of a fire risk than the citrus based tar removers.
and you want to avoid that before sanding.
White spirit shouldn't do that, and once it's evaporated, there
will be no residue and no smell. I would only be worried in case
it managed to wash any tar deeper into the surface, but I suspect
it won't go deep enough that it won't be pretty instantly sanded
off, but I would test a bit first.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
NT
Nov 16, 2011, 8:00:07 AM11/16/11
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bitumen. If there's a thick crust of it on there, why wuold one add an
adhesive.
NT
Bolted
Nov 16, 2011, 12:36:46 PM11/16/11
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safer, easier, quicker and more pleasant to use adhesive.
Janes
Dec 31, 2016, 10:13:56 PM12/31/16
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replying to Michael Kilpatrick, Janes wrote:
We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours. They collected
the parquet (all we needed to do was bag it up) once cleaned they delivered it
back to us. We had the bitumen removed and the tongue taken off as cleaning
the tongue and groove was costly and after a long chat it made more sense to
remove the tongue as it's not needed with the strength of today's adhesives.
After spending hours and hours trying to clean them myself I gave it up as a
bad job. Not the cheapest way of cleaning them, but by far the easiest and
most professional way. I was delighted with the result. You can choose 3
bitumen removal services, plus various other services. These are the only
company that will touch parquet with sticky bitumen on - ours even had
concrete stuck to them.
Cost us about £20 per square metre but saved us A fortune in fitting cost as
the fitter wanted a daily rate to remove and some wouldt touch the job.
You'll find that the modern adhesives that state you can use with bitumen
backed blocks are not all they're made out to be. You can use this adhesive
with reminants of bitumen, not a full block full of bitumen, otherwise they
may loft (just like some Of our first floor did!!!
Anyhow, sorry for ranting on, the company is Parquet Bitumen Removal
www.parquetbitumenremoval.co.uk
And it's a lady who does this work. Amazing if you ask me.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/removing-bitumen-from-parquet-766832-.htm
We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours. They collected
the parquet (all we needed to do was bag it up) once cleaned they delivered it
back to us. We had the bitumen removed and the tongue taken off as cleaning
the tongue and groove was costly and after a long chat it made more sense to
remove the tongue as it's not needed with the strength of today's adhesives.
After spending hours and hours trying to clean them myself I gave it up as a
bad job. Not the cheapest way of cleaning them, but by far the easiest and
most professional way. I was delighted with the result. You can choose 3
bitumen removal services, plus various other services. These are the only
company that will touch parquet with sticky bitumen on - ours even had
concrete stuck to them.
Cost us about £20 per square metre but saved us A fortune in fitting cost as
the fitter wanted a daily rate to remove and some wouldt touch the job.
You'll find that the modern adhesives that state you can use with bitumen
backed blocks are not all they're made out to be. You can use this adhesive
with reminants of bitumen, not a full block full of bitumen, otherwise they
may loft (just like some Of our first floor did!!!
Anyhow, sorry for ranting on, the company is Parquet Bitumen Removal
www.parquetbitumenremoval.co.uk
And it's a lady who does this work. Amazing if you ask me.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/removing-bitumen-from-parquet-766832-.htm
tabb...@gmail.com
Jan 1, 2017, 6:57:38 AM1/1/17
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On Sunday, 1 January 2017 03:13:56 UTC, Janes wrote:
> replying to Michael Kilpatrick, Janes wrote:
> We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours. They collected
> the parquet (all we needed to do was bag it up) once cleaned they delivered it
> back to us. We had the bitumen removed and the tongue taken off as cleaning
> the tongue and groove was costly and after a long chat it made more sense to
> remove the tongue as it's not needed with the strength of today's adhesives.
> After spending hours and hours trying to clean them myself I gave it up as a
> bad job. Not the cheapest way of cleaning them, but by far the easiest and
> most professional way. I was delighted with the result. You can choose 3
> bitumen removal services, plus various other services. These are the only
> company that will touch parquet with sticky bitumen on - ours even had
> concrete stuck to them.
> Cost us about £20 per square metre but saved us A fortune in fitting cost as
> the fitter wanted a daily rate to remove and some wouldt touch the job.
> You'll find that the modern adhesives that state you can use with bitumen
> backed blocks are not all they're made out to be. You can use this adhesive
> with reminants of bitumen, not a full block full of bitumen, otherwise they
> may loft (just like some Of our first floor did!!!
> Anyhow, sorry for ranting on, the company is
> replying to Michael Kilpatrick, Janes wrote:
> We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours. They collected
> the parquet (all we needed to do was bag it up) once cleaned they delivered it
> back to us. We had the bitumen removed and the tongue taken off as cleaning
> the tongue and groove was costly and after a long chat it made more sense to
> remove the tongue as it's not needed with the strength of today's adhesives.
> After spending hours and hours trying to clean them myself I gave it up as a
> bad job. Not the cheapest way of cleaning them, but by far the easiest and
> most professional way. I was delighted with the result. You can choose 3
> bitumen removal services, plus various other services. These are the only
> company that will touch parquet with sticky bitumen on - ours even had
> concrete stuck to them.
> Cost us about £20 per square metre but saved us A fortune in fitting cost as
> the fitter wanted a daily rate to remove and some wouldt touch the job.
> You'll find that the modern adhesives that state you can use with bitumen
> backed blocks are not all they're made out to be. You can use this adhesive
> with reminants of bitumen, not a full block full of bitumen, otherwise they
> may loft (just like some Of our first floor did!!!
> Anyhow, sorry for ranting on, the company is
> And it's a lady who does this work. Amazing if you ask me.
Spam for a product no-one needs to pay for. Just apply more bitumen.
NT
Lee
Jan 1, 2017, 9:41:37 AM1/1/17
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On 01/01/2017 12:17, Huge wrote:
>
Friends of ours spent a year renovating the very nice Parquet floor in
their house, then decided to sell. First thing the new owners did was
lay carpet :)
> On 2017-01-01, Janes <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote:
>> replying to Michael Kilpatrick, Janes wrote:
>> We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours.
>
> We used the parquet as kindling and put down carpet instead.
>> replying to Michael Kilpatrick, Janes wrote:
>> We used a company in Bradford, now in Manchester, to do ours.
>
>
Friends of ours spent a year renovating the very nice Parquet floor in
their house, then decided to sell. First thing the new owners did was
lay carpet :)
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 1, 2017, 9:56:41 AM1/1/17
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sold and new owners had pulled up carpet. 'Golly, That's the oak parquet
that was there when that house was built' I said.
They were thrilled to discover it.
harry
Jan 1, 2017, 12:35:02 PM1/1/17
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harry
Jan 1, 2017, 12:41:07 PM1/1/17
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That's usually all that is needed.
Shavehook:-
http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/r/RODRCS/?gclid=Cj0KEQiA7qLDBRD9xJ7PscDCu5IBEiQAqo3BxOcGwo7DLeDa8CeU7DgfftcHN7P4lGgRiI77XzH8Bi8aAlyX8P8HAQ
stvl...@googlemail.com
Jan 1, 2017, 5:18:10 PM1/1/17
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> surely, solvents may cause it to be absorbed into the wood. I would go for
> mechanical / manual removal.
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