Flueless Gas Fires
Michelle Imbierski
chimney. I am looking into either having a chimney built or buying a
flueless gas fire to save me the trouble! I don't know much about either,
so any information would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Michelle Imbierski
Frank Duffy
<mich...@pins.co.uk> writes
you're right. Hate to hear about a house without a chimney - how does
Santa get in for a start. ;)
The flueless appliances have been in the USA far longer than they have
been here. The only flueless domestic gas appliances that have been
avaiable in the UK have been the portable bottled gas heaters and gas
cookers. I haven't seen any fixed flueless gas heaters in the UK - are
they now available here too.
Perhaps if they are installed with the correct ventilation etc they may
be OK. The problem though is that the combustion process when it is
working correctly produces water vapour, and when it is not - carbon
monoxide. Both of these require that there is ventilation provided,
firstly to give oxygen for the combustion process and secondly to keep
the condensation problems down to a minimum. I know from the US that
there are strong feelings against these appliances because they are too
easy to install in such a way as they create all sorts of problems. The
place to ask this question might be the discussion group at
www.chimneysweeps.com - but watch out for an avalanch of input. I
subscribe to their mailing list and will be happy to post your enquiry
there if you like. Let me know.
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John
Michelle Imbierski <mich...@pins.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have experience of these? For use in a house where there is
no
> chimney. I am looking into either having a chimney built or buying a
> flueless gas fire to save me the trouble! I don't know much about
either,
> so any information would be most appreciated.
>
> Thanks
Do you mean Flueless gas fire or is what you really mean a balanced flue or
perhaps a powered flue model?
Fixed, flueless fires are strictly limited as to their output and are
pretty unpopular because of the smell and condensation often associated
with them. The old hall heaters were typical - anyone remember the stinky
inky? <g> (Valor Inca)
There are a number of balanced flue models available which simply require a
suitable outside wall to be mounted against. A balanced flue is projected
through the wall behind the fire. Room sealed so very safe regarding fumes
etc.
Of fairly recent introduction is the range of powered (fan) flued fires
which can have a neatly concealed flue duct run in a skirting board type
duct from the fireside to outside at low level. Valor are one manufacturer
who do a range. You could phone them and ask if they will send you their
promotional video which is issued to the trade or perhaps find a local gas
installer who has a copy to show you. It shows a range of their products
and you may find it useful.
HTH
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Regards,
John
Terry Sanford
> For the benefit of others I thought I'd let you know that Michelle has
> emailed me for more information and here is part of my reply to her.
>
> Michelle,
>
> We are talking at cross purposes here. The appliances that I referred
> to don't need *any* outside vent at all. There are several makes that
> have fan flues which can run through small ducts to an outside wall.
> There are also the balanced flue models which are fitted to an outside
> wall and the flue (and air inlet straight into the fire) simple poke out
> through the wall. I would have been very interested if they had but
> suspect that none of the US models are approved for use in the UK.
> --
> Frank Duffy fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
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Frank:
Thanks, that's what I was implying. Models approved for use here in
Canada using, say, propane, would very unlikely be approved for UK use.
But I felt Michelle was interested in 'how', and how well, they work.
The US would be a different story again although CSA (Canadian
Standards Association) sometimes use same specs as the US U.L
(Underwriters Laboratories), there are often differences; sometimes more
stringent requirements!
All the best.
Terry S.
PS. My daughter mentioned to me yesterday that she has buy 400 bs. of
propane for her fireplace and the cost is about 30 cents (Canadian) per
pound (avoirdupois). That's about 12 UK pence per pound or roughly 25 to
30 pence per kilo? Sound right? Couple of years ago it was around 56
cents/lb. One of the few things went down in cost!!!!!!!!