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Gareth

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Sep 17, 2008, 2:37:44 PM9/17/08
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I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.

I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
replacement!)

Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
the cistern?

NOSP...@gmail.com

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Sep 17, 2008, 2:50:31 PM9/17/08
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Would raising the cistern ( even if possible) solve the problem? ..I
can't see that it would .

Hamish Shufflebotham

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Sep 17, 2008, 3:46:45 PM9/17/08
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"Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
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suitably disguised stick-on magnet(s)/keeper?


Rod

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Sep 17, 2008, 3:48:54 PM9/17/08
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Just a thought - is the seat a thick wooden one? A thin plastic one
might work. The thinner the seat is, the further back the centre of mass
can go.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 17, 2008, 3:51:27 PM9/17/08
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Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to
> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
> buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem

In laws house has it in spades.

and managed to solve it without
> raising the cistern?

Nope. I guess a rubber cord to the seat hooked around the pipe might work.

Mind you that house is all women largely, and the lid alone *just* stays
up, so 'no problem' innit?

I'd get a slimline cistern IIWY.

Robin

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Sep 17, 2008, 3:55:31 PM9/17/08
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Is it fouling on the the cistern or the cistern handle?

i.e. the furthest forward part of the cistern may be the handle
(assuming it's on the front) - it is on mine - the handle extends 38mm
out from the cistern.

When I get the time, I plan to replace the handle with something like:

http://www.partridges.uk.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=494_43_68&products_id=562

or:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17031/Plumbing/Toilet-Fittings/Toilet-Cistern-Lever-Chrome#

Both of which look as if they extend far less than 38mm. In my case I
reckon that 10mm less would fix the problem.

- Robin

EricP

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Sep 17, 2008, 4:03:02 PM9/17/08
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:37:44 +0100, "Gareth"
<hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote:

>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
>the cistern?

No, it's a bugger, but it don't arf keep small blokes on their toes
when they are peeing.

Just showed me to be more careful when buying badly designed crap. (Or
crappers)
:((


The Medway Handyman

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Sep 17, 2008, 4:31:31 PM9/17/08
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Change the toilet seat & lid. Rummage around in B&Q opening boxes till you
find a seat with multiple fixing points. These normally have three threaded
holes in the hinge so you can screw the bolts into the best fit & also
revolve to help in lining things up.


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


Ian

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Sep 17, 2008, 5:30:06 PM9/17/08
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"Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
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There is only one way to do that! It might appear odd, but glue a couple of
small
strong magnets to the cistern on an underside edge. Attach a small piece of
metal
the the toilet seat, maybe bending it around on an inside edge at the front
and glue
it. Then the seat will stay up. Or you could glue a few strong magnets to
the
back of the seat when it is flat, then put a small piece of metal (painted
to match)
on the rear of the toilet. Those really strong small magnets will easily
hold it.


Spamlet

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Sep 17, 2008, 5:54:00 PM9/17/08
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"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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And, while he's rummaging, get a bit of stainless threaded rod to replace
the nasty rust buggers that come with all these fittings, and make a right
old mess that is a pain to deal with next time you want to adjust things.

S


www.GymRatZ.co.uk

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Sep 17, 2008, 6:41:28 PM9/17/08
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We have the same problem except the plank that did the bathroom before
we had the house actually put the toilet in on a forward tilting angle
then fitted slate floor tiles cut around (and up) the base of the toilet.

So, we have a 6 yr old weeing on the seat. Myself I do a ladies (or
lazyman) style wee and 'er don't even know there's anything wrong with
it as she's never attempted weeing standing up..... well, I hope not as
our old dog may have been blamed for nothing for all these years!
(yes he sometimes wees in the bathroom!)

:¬)

I'll be watching this thread closely.

Cheers
Pete

Dave

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Sep 17, 2008, 7:16:49 PM9/17/08
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www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

> Gareth wrote:
>
>>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to
>>be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>
>>I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
>>hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
>>buy a replacement!)
>>
>>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
>>raising the cistern?
>
>
> We have the same problem except the plank that did the bathroom before
> we had the house actually put the toilet in on a forward tilting angle
> then fitted slate floor tiles cut around (and up) the base of the toilet.

I have a theory that all bathrooms are designed by a woman. Their
attention to detail means that the toilet seat is always in the down
position :-(

> So, we have a 6 yr old weeing on the seat. Myself I do a ladies (or
> lazyman) style wee and 'er don't even know there's anything wrong with
> it as she's never attempted weeing standing up.

Did you never see the film 'The Full Monty? Where the young lad is in a
cubical watching a woman peeing like a man does. Hitches skirt up, drops
knickers almost to the floor and then pees onto the back of the urinals.

Dave

Dave W

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Sep 18, 2008, 9:31:28 AM9/18/08
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The two fixings I've encountered are made with rotatable disks that
sit over the holes in the ceramic. The disks have two 'nut' sections,
either of which can take the fixing bolts. This means a wide range of
positions for the lid hinges can be set up, and I had to bring the
pivots to the maximum distance towards you, to allow the heavy lid to
stay up. A possible trouble was that the lid was now so far forward
that the front edge of the pan was almost fully visible.

Dave W

stuart noble

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Sep 18, 2008, 11:36:21 AM9/18/08
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I fitted a slimline plastic cistern. A bit pikey but it gave me extra
space for 2" of insulation behind, plus the seat stayed up.

frank

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Sep 18, 2008, 7:52:10 PM9/18/08
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>Did you never see the film 'The Full Monty? Where the young lad is in a
>cubical watching a woman peeing like a man does. Hitches skirt up, drops
>knickers almost to the floor and then pees onto the back of the urinals.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030604104917/http://restrooms.org/standing.html


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frank

geoff

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Sep 18, 2008, 8:07:09 PM9/18/08
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In message <gaupjb$anl$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, frank
<fran...@hotmail.com> writes

I remember this happening when I was stewarding for dexys midnight
runners in kilburn, years ago

in the bogs, two "ladies" strode into the men's and one kept guard while
the other dropped her knicks and pissed against the porcelain

a definite "what are you looking at ?" look on both their faces


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geoff

Lobster

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Sep 19, 2008, 2:52:33 AM9/19/08
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I was after a couple of powerful little magnets like this for another
job the other day, but couldn't think where to look to buy some locally
(in fact the only sources I could come up with were specialist online
suppliers which would be too slow and with big p&p/minimum order
charges. I solved the problem by another method eventually.

What retail outlets sell them, anyone know?

David

F

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:06:12 PM9/19/08
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It's usually a 'feature' of toilets installed by female plumbers...

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F

Gareth

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Sep 19, 2008, 4:20:43 PM9/19/08
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"Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for all the replies - it seems though as if there isn't a simple
solution. I can't help but think that I've missed something in terms of
fixing alignment but I've tried every permutation possible.

I may try to find a thinner plastic seat but I'm not convinced it will solve
the problem. It looks as if I will need to buy a new set anyway because
there's nowhere to buy replacement (2 hole) fixing washers from.

It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a toilet
without checking that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either
that or didn't care.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Sep 19, 2008, 5:23:54 PM9/19/08
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Gareth"
<hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> saying something like:

>It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a toilet
>without checking that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either
>that or didn't care.

It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.
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The Medway Handyman

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Sep 19, 2008, 5:37:57 PM9/19/08
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Gareth"
> <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> saying something like:
>
>> It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a
>> toilet without checking that the seat can stay up. But they
>> obviously did - either that or didn't care.
>
> It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.

...and the water is cold as well.

www.GymRatZ.co.uk

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Sep 19, 2008, 10:31:15 PM9/19/08
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The Medway Handyman wrote:

>>> It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a
>>> toilet without checking that the seat can stay up. But they
>>> obviously did - either that or didn't care.
>> It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.
>
> ...and the water is cold as well.

And deep!

Mike Barnes

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Sep 19, 2008, 7:16:56 PM9/19/08
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In uk.d-i-y, Gareth wrote:
>I can't believe that someone would install a toilet without checking
>that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either that or
>didn't care.

By the time they find out, it's too late to do anything about it, even
if they wanted to.

--
Mike Barnes

F

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Sep 20, 2008, 11:43:08 AM9/20/08
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On 19/09/2008 21:20 Gareth wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies - it seems though as if there isn't a simple
> solution. I can't help but think that I've missed something in terms of
> fixing alignment but I've tried every permutation possible.

Are you sure that neither the seat to pan fixing, nor the seat to hinge
fixing doesn't have a second hole or slot to allow for the seat to be
moved forward on the pan?

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F

Gareth

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Sep 21, 2008, 4:56:30 AM9/21/08
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"F" <news@nowhere> wrote in message
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Thank you. Yes, there is a second hole. Problem is I managed to lose the 2
hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the toilet! It
doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I guess I'm going to
have to buy a different seat anyway. Very frustrating.

Gareth.

Mike Clarke

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Sep 21, 2008, 9:07:34 AM9/21/08
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Gareth wrote:

> Problem is I managed to lose the 2
> hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the toilet!
> It doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I guess I'm
> going to have to buy a different seat anyway. Very frustrating.

I've got a salvaged one here in my box of "bits that might come in useful
some day but seldom do" (TM). It's a bit rust stained but you're welcome to
it if it helps, my reply address (but not the from address) should work if
you want to email me your snail mail address.

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F

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Sep 21, 2008, 7:31:06 PM9/21/08
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On 21/09/2008 09:56 Gareth wrote:

> Thank you. Yes, there is a second hole. Problem is I managed to lose the
> 2 hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the
> toilet! It doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I
> guess I'm going to have to buy a different seat anyway.

The ones I've dealt with have been rubber/plastic washers: metal against
porcelain doesn't sound like a good idea. Can you find something with a
little 'give' in it to go between the two surfaces?

--
F

Edwin Spector

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Oct 20, 2008, 11:49:59 AM10/20/08
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Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to
> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
> buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
> raising the cistern?

As others have suggested, flipping the little mounting plates round can
buy you another half inch or so, but it sounds like you tried that.

I am imagining a cantilevered counterweight (or spring) attached to the
seat, so that it defaults to the UP position, like on aeroplanes. No
more getting smacked on the todger in mid-flow.

Edwin.
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Frank Erskine

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Oct 20, 2008, 4:38:07 PM10/20/08
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Another possibility is to use one of those brass latch things fitted
at the end of a pub bar to hold up, well, the end section for the
staff to pass through.

--
Frank Erskine

Dave

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Oct 20, 2008, 6:19:37 PM10/20/08
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Frank Erskine wrote:

Wouldn't half hurt your back when you sat down on the seat with your
newspaper in your hands though ;-)

And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to do
it this way every time :-(

Having read this thread from day one, I think the best answer was the
strong magnet and steel plate under the seat.

Dave

Adrian C

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Oct 20, 2008, 6:53:36 PM10/20/08
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Dave wrote:
>
> And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to do
> it this way every time :-(
>
> Having read this thread from day one, I think the best answer was the
> strong magnet and steel plate under the seat.
>

Well, even better. Replace the magnet with a electromagnet, and then
RFID microchip the wife like the family pet. When she approaches the
lav, the seat WILL be down....

though it may make a hell of a thump in the middle of the night....

--
Adrian C

Dave

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Oct 20, 2008, 7:18:46 PM10/20/08
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Adrian C wrote:

LOL

No RAOTFLMAO

Dave

Lobster

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Oct 21, 2008, 2:19:35 PM10/21/08
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Dave wrote:
>> Well, even better. Replace the magnet with a electromagnet, and then
>> RFID microchip the wife like the family pet.

Hmm - I can think of endless uses of that...
Better yet, I'll get the kids done, too.

David

Appin

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Nov 3, 2008, 8:21:36 PM11/3/08
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from Dave <dave...@btopenworld.com> contains these words:

> And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to do
> it this way every time :-(

Most women can learn to do the needful standing up, you know :-)

Bob Mannix

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"Appin" <ap...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Slightly easier for the man to do the needful sitting down. I suspect views
on this are set by whether the person expressing the view cleans the toilet.


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Appin

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The message <gerjq3$nfr$1...@south.jnrs.ja.net>
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> > Most women can learn to do the needful standing up, you know :-)

> Slightly easier for the man to do the needful sitting down. I suspect views
> on this are set by whether the person expressing the view cleans the toilet.

German males are generally required to urinate sitting, at least in
domestic premises.

However, a lot of younger females are quite practised at urinating
standing -- very useful in the great outdoors and at music festivals
etc.

RobertL

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Nov 6, 2008, 5:29:33 AM11/6/08
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On Sep 17, 6:37 pm, "Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
> replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
> the cistern?

What about removing the lid completely?

Robert

Appin

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from RobertL <rober...@yahoo.com> contains these words:


Brilliant!

english.wit...@gmail.com

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On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:37:44 UTC+1, Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
> replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
> the cistern?

Solutions for toilet seat won't stay up

1. Attach a flat magnet to the underside of the seat.
2. Attach a ferromagnetic metal to a short string attached to a hook attached to the side of the cistern. I used a tablecloth weight as sold by Lidl/Aldi. lift the seat and attach the metal to the magnet.
or attach a cord around the cistern or to a hook on the side of the cistern and adjust it with one of those spring tighteners you find on waterproof jackets and hold the seat up with a loop of cord thus: sorry pictures don't appear here.
5.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jan 31, 2018, 2:32:30 PM1/31/18
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Don't you think that Gareth might have solved his problem in the last 8
1/2 years?


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Brian Gaff

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Jan 31, 2018, 2:48:05 PM1/31/18
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2008, surely its solved by now.
Anyway, normally you can find toilet seats with enough crank on the hinge
to manage to stay up and some have a soft click position to help them do so.
I have one of them posh slow drop down ones.
Brian

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Graham.

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>On 31/01/18 19:27, english.wit...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:37:44 UTC+1, Gareth wrote:
>>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
>>> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>>
>>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
>>> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
>>> replacement!)
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
>>> the cistern?
>>
>> Solutions for toilet seat won't stay up
>>
>> 1. Attach a flat magnet to the underside of the seat.
>> 2. Attach a ferromagnetic metal to a short string attached to a hook attached to the side of the cistern. I used a tablecloth weight as sold by Lidl/Aldi. lift the seat and attach the metal to the magnet.
>> or attach a cord around the cistern or to a hook on the side of the cistern and adjust it with one of those spring tighteners you find on waterproof jackets and hold the seat up with a loop of cord thus: sorry pictures don't appear here.
>> 5.
>>
>Don't you think that Gareth might have solved his problem in the last 8
>1/2 years?

Strange suggestions too, unless 5) was a placeholder for the spam
payload.

"english.with.gailgoldi" appears to be posting from Spain, so perhaps
he is more used to a hole-in-the-ground.

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Max Demian

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Jan 31, 2018, 5:39:47 PM1/31/18
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3. change to a sex which doesn't require the seat to be raised.

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Graeme

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Feb 1, 2018, 3:33:22 AM2/1/18
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In message <p4t5kc$mlm$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 31/01/18 19:27, english.wit...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Solutions for toilet seat won't stay up
>>
>Don't you think that Gareth might have solved his problem in the last 8
>1/2 years?

Probably not. We moved here 15 years ago and still have one seat that
will not stay up. I've given up fannying about with hinges etc., and
either avoid that toilet or, if necessary, stand sideways and hold it up
(the seat!) with my knee.
--
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The Natural Philosopher

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Feb 1, 2018, 3:36:22 AM2/1/18
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On 31/01/18 22:39, Max Demian wrote:
> 3. change to a sex which doesn't require the seat to be raised.

4. Sit down for a pee.

5. remove seat altogether.



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tabb...@gmail.com

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On Thursday, 1 February 2018 08:36:22 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/01/18 22:39, Max Demian wrote:

> > 3. change to a sex which doesn't require the seat to be raised.
>
> 4. Sit down for a pee.
>
> 5. remove seat altogether.

6. add a bit of wire to act as a latch for it etc etc etc. Surely folk can manage basic things like this. If not, diy's going to be tough going.

The Natural Philosopher

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Feb 1, 2018, 4:25:14 AM2/1/18
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I had one like that uears ago. aftermarket bog seat and pan too far back.

IIRC one day the cistern had an issue and fitting a chleap plastic one
of smaller depth cured all the problems.



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Graeme

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Feb 1, 2018, 4:29:31 AM2/1/18
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In message <eb09e68b-45fb-4174...@googlegroups.com>,
tabb...@gmail.com writes
>
>6. add a bit of wire to act as a latch for it etc etc etc. Surely folk
>can manage basic things like this. If not, diy's going to be tough
>going.

That is all very well, but how many 'ladies of the house' would really
appreciate a bit of wire holding up the seat, particularly when they
don't need the seat held up anyway? OK for singletons, but for most of
us, simple aesthetics plays a big part in domestic DIY, just to keep the
peace :-)
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Graeme

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In message <p4umdp$lck$2...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 01/02/18 08:33, Graeme wrote:
>> Probably not.  We moved here 15 years ago and still have one seat
>>that will not stay up.  I've given up fannying about with hinges
>>etc., and either avoid that toilet or, if necessary, stand sideways
>>and hold it up (the seat!) with my knee.
>
>I had one like that uears ago. aftermarket bog seat and pan too far back.
>
>IIRC one day the cistern had an issue and fitting a chleap plastic one
>of smaller depth cured all the problems.

One of the long term plans :-) This WC happens to be in the bathroom as
the famous cracked bath. We solved the bath problem by using a
different bathroom, which also solved the WC lid problem, but, when we
did use it, I solved the problem as above or, during the night, always
sat rather than stood which meant I didn't need to turn a light on, and
could 'let go' without worrying about seeing to aim.
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Graeme

The Natural Philosopher

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Feb 1, 2018, 5:15:11 AM2/1/18
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On 01/02/18 09:34, Graeme wrote:
>I solved the problem as above or, during the night, always
> sat rather than stood which meant I didn't need to turn a light on, and
> could 'let go' without worrying about seeing to aim.

I once lifted the lid in an 'all girl' household.

A chisel would have been needed to scarpe off the encrusted dried uric
acid crystals



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Feb 1, 2018, 5:30:16 AM2/1/18
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On Thursday, 1 February 2018 09:29:31 UTC, Graeme wrote:
> In message <eb09e68b-45fb-4174...@googlegroups.com>,
> tabbypurr writes
> >
> >6. add a bit of wire to act as a latch for it etc etc etc. Surely folk
> >can manage basic things like this. If not, diy's going to be tough
> >going.
>
> That is all very well, but how many 'ladies of the house' would really
> appreciate a bit of wire holding up the seat, particularly when they
> don't need the seat held up anyway? OK for singletons, but for most of
> us, simple aesthetics plays a big part in domestic DIY, just to keep the
> peace :-)

obviously, hence the words 'etc etc'

Vir Campestris

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Feb 1, 2018, 4:34:00 PM2/1/18
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7. Hold seat with one hand, leaving the other free to aim.

Andy

Graeme

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Feb 1, 2018, 5:30:21 PM2/1/18
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In message <p50146$10u$1...@dont-email.me>, Vir Campestris
<vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> writes

>7. Hold seat with one hand, leaving the other free to aim.

Some of us need two hands :-)
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paul....@deskcity.ie

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Feb 2, 2018, 7:40:07 AM2/2/18
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On Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 7:37:44 PM UTC+1, Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
> replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
> the cistern?

you could always sit down to pee

David

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Feb 2, 2018, 7:45:57 AM2/2/18
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Probably managed by now.

Note to self: must stop replying to fuckwits.


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whisky-dave

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:23:41 AM2/2/18
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I have a french male friend that does that, we all take the piss out of him, but it is actually more hygenic as you don't get the splash back.

You can prove this to yourselves rather thatn arguing about whther ir should be a EU directive, stabnd bare legged and piss in the toilet, unless you aim really carfully you'll feel the splash back on your legs, and you might even start to wonder where else those little splashes end up.

The Natural Philosopher

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:26:15 AM2/2/18
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On 02/02/18 13:23, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Friday, 2 February 2018 12:40:07 UTC, paul....@deskcity.ie wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 7:37:44 PM UTC+1, Gareth wrote:
>>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
>>> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>>
>>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
>>> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
>>> replacement!)
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
>>> the cistern?
>>
>> you could always sit down to pee
>
> I have a french male friend that does that, we all take the piss out of him, but it is actually more hygenic as you don't get the splash back.

Its less hygenic because you instead spray the underside of the toilet
seta and it dribbles down teh ouside of te pan


>
> You can prove this to yourselves rather thatn arguing about whther ir should be a EU directive, stabnd bare legged and piss in the toilet, unless you aim really carfully you'll feel the splash back on your legs, and you might even start to wonder where else those little splashes end up.
>
I am sure in your case givcen you self avowed dyspomania this is true.

The more sober of us however managed quite well without spraying the area.

Graeme

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:40:42 AM2/2/18
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In message <188be8c0-8c84-4989...@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> writes
>On Friday, 2 February 2018 12:40:07 UTC, paul....@deskcity.ie wrote:
>>
>> you could always sit down to pee
>
>I have a french male friend that does that, we all take the piss out of
>him, but it is actually more hygenic as you don't get the splash back.

I tend to sit in the middle of the night, because I don't need a light
to aim, if sitting. However, I am convinced that I pass more standing
than sitting, i.e. sitting, there is the vague suspicion that the
bladder is not quite as empty as it would have been, had I been
standing. Is that bollocks, or fact? Anything to do with how tubes are
routed? No idea, just a feeling.
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The Natural Philosopher

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:47:12 AM2/2/18
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Its normal for prostate cancer


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whisky-dave

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:57:19 AM2/2/18
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On Friday, 2 February 2018 13:26:15 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/02/18 13:23, whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Friday, 2 February 2018 12:40:07 UTC, paul....@deskcity.ie wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 7:37:44 PM UTC+1, Gareth wrote:
> >>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
> >>> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
> >>>
> >>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
> >>> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
> >>> replacement!)
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
> >>> the cistern?
> >>
> >> you could always sit down to pee
> >
> > I have a french male friend that does that, we all take the piss out of him, but it is actually more hygenic as you don't get the splash back.
>
> Its less hygenic because you instead spray the underside of the toilet
> seta and it dribbles down teh ouside of te pan

try it and find out.


> > You can prove this to yourselves rather thatn arguing about whther ir should be a EU directive, stabnd bare legged and piss in the toilet, unless you aim really carfully you'll feel the splash back on your legs, and you might even start to wonder where else those little splashes end up.
> >
> I am sure in your case givcen you self avowed dyspomania this is true.
>
> The more sober of us however managed quite well without spraying the area.

I'm betting you've never even noticed, most don't.

https://www.curejoy.com/content/which-is-healthier-for-men-peeing-standing-or-sitting/

o pee or not to pee standing up is the question. For starters, sitting down ensures that you don't leave behind any pee on the toilet seat. Sitting down also improves your bladder and prostate health, reduces LUTS, and fully empties your bladder. Some experts also associate sitting down to pee with better sexual performance, thanks to improved prostate health.


as I said you wouldn't have noticed.

Graeme

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Feb 2, 2018, 8:58:37 AM2/2/18
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In message <p51q4t$h58$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 02/02/18 13:39, Graeme wrote:
>> I tend to sit in the middle of the night, because I don't need a
>>light to aim, if sitting.  However, I am convinced that I pass more
>>standing than sitting, i.e. sitting, there is the vague suspicion
>>that the bladder is not quite as empty as it would have been, had I
>>been standing.  Is that bollocks, or fact?  Anything to do with how
>>tubes are routed?  No idea, just a feeling.
>
>Its normal for prostate cancer

What is normal for prostate cancer? Not passing everything in one go?
It is OK standing, just not convinced about sitting.
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whisky-dave

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Feb 2, 2018, 9:02:28 AM2/2/18
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To pee or not to pee standing up is the question. For starters, sitting down ensures that you don't leave behind any pee on the toilet seat. Sitting down also improves your bladder and prostate health, reduces LUTS, and fully empties your bladder. Some experts also associate sitting down to pee with better sexual performance, thanks to improved prostate health.



Jonathan

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Feb 2, 2018, 9:55:54 AM2/2/18
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On Friday, 19 September 2008 07:52:33 UTC+1, Lobster wrote:
> Ian wrote:
> > "Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:48d14e6f$0$26090$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> >> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be
> >> a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
> >>
> >> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
> >> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
> >> buy a replacement!)
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
> >> raising the cistern?
> >
> > There is only one way to do that! It might appear odd, but glue a couple of
> > small
> > strong magnets to the cistern on an underside edge. Attach a small piece of
> > metal
> > the the toilet seat, maybe bending it around on an inside edge at the front
> > and glue
> > it. Then the seat will stay up. Or you could glue a few strong magnets to
> > the
> > back of the seat when it is flat, then put a small piece of metal (painted
> > to match)
> > on the rear of the toilet. Those really strong small magnets will easily
> > hold it.
>
> I was after a couple of powerful little magnets like this for another
> job the other day, but couldn't think where to look to buy some locally
> (in fact the only sources I could come up with were specialist online
> suppliers which would be too slow and with big p&p/minimum order
> charges. I solved the problem by another method eventually.
>
> What retail outlets sell them, anyone know?
>
> David

https://www.first4magnets.com/

Jonathan

Rob Morley

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Feb 2, 2018, 10:47:56 AM2/2/18
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 06:55:50 -0800 (PST)
Jonathan <war...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On Friday, 19 September 2008 07:52:33 UTC+1, Lobster wrote:
> > Ian wrote:
> [...]
> [...]
> [...]
> >
> > I was after a couple of powerful little magnets like this for
> > another job the other day, but couldn't think where to look to buy
> > some locally (in fact the only sources I could come up with were
> > specialist online suppliers which would be too slow and with big
> > p&p/minimum order charges. I solved the problem by another method
> > eventually.
> >
> > What retail outlets sell them, anyone know?
> >
> > David
>
> https://www.first4magnets.com/
>
Or eBay. But the first choice is surely to pull one out of a disused
hard drive?

whisky-dave

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Feb 2, 2018, 11:49:42 AM2/2/18
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Or speakers, we have a lab here using such magnets the students have to construct a speaker.....

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Feb 2, 2018, 1:48:14 PM2/2/18
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making them withot is moer fun


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Dave W

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Feb 2, 2018, 3:03:58 PM2/2/18
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8. Screw a short strip of metal with a weight on the end to the back of
the seat, so as to move the centre of gravity to the far side of the hinge.
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Cherie Plum

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Feb 2, 2018, 6:48:52 PM2/2/18
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or a visit to your local bookies where they hold up the adverts on the
whiteboards.

AnthonyL

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Feb 3, 2018, 8:55:30 AM2/3/18
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 13:39:39 +0000, Graeme <Ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I suspect it is more to do with conditioning. Sitting down for men
(who have been trained to stand up) sends the wrong signals to the
brain.

Who else gets an improvement or surge in flow the minute the flush
kicks in? It's all in the head.


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Andrew

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Feb 3, 2018, 10:40:29 AM2/3/18
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A dentist friend said that tooth brushes should be several feet away
from a toilet because the flushing action (if done with the lid up)
sends aerosols quite some distance.

dennis@home

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Feb 3, 2018, 12:21:16 PM2/3/18
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On 03/02/2018 15:40, Andrew wrote:

8<

>
> A dentist friend said that tooth brushes should be several feet away
> from a toilet because the flushing action (if done with the lid up)
> sends aerosols quite some distance.

Assuming an aerosol forms when you flush it will still be expelled from
the gap between the seat and the rim and will probably travel farther
because it will be going faster. Maybe some uni will waste money to
investigate?


Johnny B Good

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Feb 3, 2018, 2:59:42 PM2/3/18
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MythBusters[1] proved that it made little to no difference where in the
whole house you parked your toothbrush. :-)

[1] Episode 4 of the series/season copyrighted 2003 that was aired in the
UK on the 19th of October 2006 by the BBC.

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Tim+

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Feb 3, 2018, 3:05:36 PM2/3/18
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No, you’re quite right. Men didn’t evolve to pee sitting, consequently it
doesn’t work properly. No self respecting man sits to pee.

The Germans have a word for hen-pecked men who are made to pee sitting,
sitzpinkler.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sitzpinkler

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dennis@home

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Feb 3, 2018, 5:17:14 PM2/3/18
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On 03/02/2018 20:05, Tim+ wrote:

8<

> No, you’re quite right. Men didn’t evolve to pee sitting, consequently it
> doesn’t work properly. No self respecting man sits to pee.

Man didn't evolve to pee standing up either.
Maybe you should get on all fours and dangle over the loo?

Tim+

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Feb 3, 2018, 5:39:23 PM2/3/18
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Well, speaking personally, I and my ancestors have been peeing standing up
for many millennia. As for yours...

AnthonyL

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Feb 4, 2018, 8:52:06 AM2/4/18
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Just put a strip of loo paper across the seat before flushing to see
the effects.

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critcher

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Feb 4, 2018, 12:25:49 PM2/4/18
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On 01/02/2018 08:33, Graeme wrote:
> In message <p4t5kc$mlm$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 31/01/18 19:27, english.wit...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  Solutions for toilet seat won't stay up
>>>
>> Don't you think that Gareth might have solved his problem in the last
>> 8 1/2 years?
>
> Probably not.  We moved here 15 years ago and still have one seat that
> will not stay up.  I've given up fannying about with hinges etc., and
> either avoid that toilet or, if necessary, stand sideways and hold it up
> (the seat!) with my knee.

if it has a lid then remove the rubber washers that are there to protect
the seat when the lid is dropped.
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