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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:10:32 AM12/21/15
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A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.

Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
controlled clock as our old one died.

Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.

I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)

So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
:-)
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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:14:12 AM12/21/15
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It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks back to give us even less light in an already dark winter.

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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:15:31 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 -0000, Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:

Is it this one? https://youtu.be/yNrHeMbdkPQ

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Adrian

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:25:45 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:02 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks back
> to give us even less light in an already dark winter.

If you're going to blame politicians, then there's three different dates
you might find useful to remember.

1916, when it was first introduced.
1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.

But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
clock change in autumn and spring, too.

Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:28:28 AM12/21/15
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The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light, particularly in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.

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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:28:58 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 -0000, Mr Macaw <n...@spam.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:25:41 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:02 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>
>>> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks back
>>> to give us even less light in an already dark winter.
>>
>> If you're going to blame politicians, then there's three different dates
>> you might find useful to remember.
>>
>> 1916, when it was first introduced.
>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>
>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>
> The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light, particularly in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.

Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?

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charles

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:32:53 AM12/21/15
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In article <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>,
I bought one from Lidl - which is no longer in my possession, but there is
a button push which allows the hours to be adjusted.

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Adrian

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:40:35 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>
>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.

> The 1966 thing is what we need.
> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.

You might. Parliament didn't.

366 votes to 81.

charles

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:55:27 AM12/21/15
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It's not setting the clocks back - it's setting them correctly to natural
time.

It was bad enought, as a student, being Christmas Postie with the clocks as
they are now. Sunrise around 8.30am in Edinburgh and there's a lot further
north to go.

Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 7:59:46 AM12/21/15
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Since when has our government done anything sensible? The problem is the type of power hungry morons who like to take up politics are precisely the type of people that shouldn't.

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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:00:39 AM12/21/15
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In message <gurf7b1n27tm435mb...@4ax.com>, Chris Hogg
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>I also have a Lidl RC clock that gets it's time signal from Frankfurt.
>It's an Auriol IAN 100706. Big flat round face, two rectangular
>windows, wall-hanging, displays time, day, date, week no., temperature
>and moon phase. Yours may be different. Somewhere in the instructions
>or set-up routine there's an option to set the time zone. Just found
>where: page 9. As they say, when all else fails, read the
>instructions. :-)
>

Thanks, but I did once it didn't set it self correctly :-), it says
nothing about changing the time zone.

Mine is different model:

<http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=29549>

A quick web search suggest they have had this problem before with
similar clocks
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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:00:40 AM12/21/15
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In message <op.x9ztn...@red.lan>, Mr Macaw <n...@spam.com> writes
No, mine is an analogue one.
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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:01:25 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:56:20 -0000, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> In article <op.x9zua...@red.lan>, Mr Macaw <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 -0000, Mr Macaw <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> > On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:25:41 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:02 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks
>> >>> back to give us even less light in an already dark winter.
>> >>
>> >> If you're going to blame politicians, then there's three different
>> >> dates you might find useful to remember.
>> >>
>> >> 1916, when it was first introduced. 1966, when the start of a trial
>> >> saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year. 1970, when the House of Commons
>> >> reviewed the trial and voted overwhelmingly to go back to the hour
>> >> change.
>> >>
>> >> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>> >> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>> >
>> > The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it is,
>> > there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light, particularly in
>> > the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.
>> > Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter then we don't
>> > have to bother changing the clocks.
>
>> Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?
>
> It's not setting the clocks back - it's setting them correctly to natural
> time.

Our concept of time during a day is not natural. It's invented. There is no "correct" time.

> It was bad enought, as a student, being Christmas Postie with the clocks as
> they are now. Sunrise around 8.30am in Edinburgh and there's a lot further
> north to go.

In winter it can get dark about 4 or 5 pm. The WHOLE evening is dark. Nevermind an hour in the morning, think of the whole evening!

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:06:54 AM12/21/15
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In article <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>,
Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
I'd be amazed if it's not possible to switch it to GMT. Lidl seem to
manage to sell electrical stuff with UK plugs on them. ;-)

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Chris B

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:10:35 AM12/21/15
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I have bought 3 from Lidl over the years and they all have had the
ability to set the displayed time as +/- 1, 2 or 3 hours. Try playing
with the menus or if all else fails try google for the exact type - you
will probably find the info.



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Judith

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:11:00 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:02 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 -0000, Chris French
> <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>
>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>
>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses
>> the DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is
>> giving time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system
>> works, but the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are
>> so presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>
>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>
>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves
>> wrong :-)
>
> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks back
> to give us even less light in an already dark winter.


The sun rises and sets as it wishes, and government regulations change
the amount of light not a single microsecond.

(Which is just another way of saying Phucker is a fuckwit.)

Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:27:39 AM12/21/15
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The government changes what time of day it's light. Obviously in winter we have lots of dark in the evenings, which is wrong. Clearly it's better to have it dark for an hour early in the morning (all you're doing is driving to work) and have an extra hour of light in the evening when you get home and can enjoy it. If you consider the times of day that most people are awake, it's out of synch with the time that it's light.

> (Which is just another way of saying Phucker is a fuckwit.)

Thought you killfiled me, liar.

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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:30:39 AM12/21/15
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In message <553576b...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>In article <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>,
> Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>
>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>
>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>
>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>
>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>> :-)
>
>I'd be amazed if it's not possible to switch it to GMT. Lidl seem to
>manage to sell electrical stuff with UK plugs on them. ;-)
>
Well yes, but I can't see anyway on this clock
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Adrian

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:32:46 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:59:37 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.

>> You might. Parliament didn't.
>>
>> 366 votes to 81.

> Since when has our government done anything sensible?

That was parliament, not the government.

Feel free to ask for an explanation if you don't understand the
difference.

Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:40:41 AM12/21/15
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In message <n58tjf$ja7$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris B <ne...@salis.co.uk>
writes
There are no menus, googling it up produces no results.

Manual is here is any one thinks I'm not reading them correctly.

<http://www.lidl-service.com/cps/rde/SID-31E28FCE-A4508391/lsp/hs.xsl/pro
duct.html?id=140798043&rdeLocaleAttr=en&title=RADIO-CONTROLLED%20WALL%20C
LOCK>

I think Lidl have cocked up :-)
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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 8:41:48 AM12/21/15
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Er.... I read this: http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/parliament-government/
And it's rather unclear. We voted the Tories in, who then decide what laws to change. So who chooses who is in "parliament"? Isn't parliament that room they have on TV with the party leaders at the front wailing at each other, and full of MPs we voted in, hence it's also the "government". I know there's a thing called the "house of lords" which is completely undemocratic, but I'm not sure who has control over what.

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:04:23 AM12/21/15
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En el artículo <n58v1p$qps$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Adrian
<tooma...@gmail.com> escribió:

>Feel free to ask for an explanation if you don't understand the
>difference.

Thank fuck my killfile picked up PHucker's latest morph.

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Adrian

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:09:35 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:41:37 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

> but I'm not sure who has control over what.

And that includes you and your bowels.

Mathew Newton

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:10:43 AM12/21/15
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On Monday, 21 December 2015 13:40:41 UTC, Chris French wrote:

> I think Lidl have cocked up :-)

It seems that way!

Could you carefully remove the hour hand and refit it an hour previous? It might be a keyed shaft to ease assembly (no calibration) however if it is just a splined/interference shaft you might be okay.

Mathew

Brian Howie

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:12:26 AM12/21/15
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In message <op.x9zua...@red.lan>, Mr Macaw <n...@spam.com> writes
We're further north and also further west. Edinburgh is further west
than Bristol. The combination makes quite a difference to sunrise.

Brian
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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:13:26 AM12/21/15
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You've just proved your intelligence level is too low to participate in an adult discussion.

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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:20:14 AM12/21/15
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It makes it WORSE for us in the evenings. We end up with it getting dark EARLIER than the English. Therefore we should wants the clocks further FORWARDS in winter! I don't care if it's dark for an hour or so when all people are doing is either lying in or driving to work. But most people are at home in the evenings and are stuck in artificially created darkness, it's absurd! Think of the waking hours of most people, why have we put the light part of those hours all at one end?

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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:20:42 AM12/21/15
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In message <oc0g7b1h72152gnn9...@4ax.com>, Chris Hogg
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:53:41 +0000, Chris French
>Does this help? Different model, but the works may be similar
>http://tinyurl.com/oj4cj2l
>The instructions for mine are here http://tinyurl.com/hgx67my
>
Thanks, but no that doesn't help I'm afraid. (I think I'd found that
fixya page before).

That is all for digital clocks, as is yours, mine is analogue and based
on a different mechanism (unsurprisingly).

It's ok, AFAICS Lidl have cocked up, I'll take it back in a couple of
days.
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Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:30:43 AM12/21/15
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In message <153dee4e-af89-4d55...@googlegroups.com>,
Mathew Newton <mathewja...@googlemail.com> writes
Quite possibly, but I've got better things to do right now.


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Thomas Prufer

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:44:36 AM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:30:02 +0000, Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk>
wrote:

>Manual is here is any one thinks I'm not reading them correctly.
>
><http://www.lidl-service.com/cps/rde/SID-31E28FCE-A4508391/lsp/hs.xsl/pro
>duct.html?id=140798043&rdeLocaleAttr=en&title=RADIO-CONTROLLED%20WALL%20C
>LOCK>
>
>I think Lidl have cocked up :-)

Sounds like it.

Does the clock start at 12, 4, or 8? Could be the hands were put on wrong...?


Thomas Prufer

Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 10:00:43 AM12/21/15
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In message <hu3g7bl3m8stc89qa...@4ax.com>, Thomas Prufer
<prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> writes
They start at 12.

However, perusing the Lidl service site, I found the same looking clock
sold previously under a different model number.

It says for UK the hands should go to 11 (and for a couple of other
countries to 1, presumably as they are an hour ahead)

looks like my clock should have stayed on the mainland :-)
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Thomas Prufer

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Dec 21, 2015, 12:09:57 PM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:56:54 +0000, Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk>
wrote:

>It says for UK the hands should go to 11 (and for a couple of other
>countries to 1, presumably as they are an hour ahead)
>
>looks like my clock should have stayed on the mainland :-)

Ah! Problem found.

Maybe they will give you a "goes to 11" one in exchange.


Thomas Prufer

Mike Barnes

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Dec 21, 2015, 12:36:09 PM12/21/15
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I don't know about that particular model but on similar clocks I've just
prised the "glass" off and moved the hour hand round a bit. It's just a
friction fit.

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John

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Dec 21, 2015, 12:44:03 PM12/21/15
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replying to Chris Hogg , John wrote:
> me wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 +0000, Chris French
> I also have a Lidl RC clock that gets it's time signal from Frankfurt.
> It's an Auriol IAN 100706. Big flat round face, two rectangular
> windows, wall-hanging, displays time, day, date, week no., temperature
> and moon phase. Yours may be different. Somewhere in the instructions
> or set-up routine there's an option to set the time zone. Just found
> where: page 9. As they say, when all else fails, read the
> instructions. :-)
> --
>
> Chris



There are hundreds of these being sold from today - and they're all wrong
by an hour. The intructions for this clock make no mention of any means
of adjusting it by an hour, and Lidl themselves say they're getting loads
of complaints - but have no answer beyond a refund.

They're either very stupid or just assume their customers are stupid
enough to put up with defective clocks.

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Tim Watts

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Dec 21, 2015, 1:07:00 PM12/21/15
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You would have thought by now, they would have a rotary "offset hours" knob.

F

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Dec 21, 2015, 1:19:53 PM12/21/15
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On 21/12/2015 12:28, Mr Macaw wrote:

>> The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it
>> is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light, particularly
>> in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in
>> winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter
>> then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.
>
> Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?

Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Dec 21, 2015, 1:34:30 PM12/21/15
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In article <5uGdnUACnbNa3-XL...@brightview.co.uk>,
F <news@nowhere> wrote:
> > Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?

> Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.

Do their cows tell the time, then?

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alan_m

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On 21/12/2015 12:06, Chris French wrote:

> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.


The aldi/lidl clocks often have a UK/CET switch to set the time zone.


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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 2:16:07 PM12/21/15
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That's illogical. Farmers work whenever it's light. The number on the clock is irrelevant.

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Mr Macaw

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Dec 21, 2015, 2:16:22 PM12/21/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:19:32 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:

Since when did Scots farmers outnumber everyone else in the UK?

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Have a look at 'Debates on reform' at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time

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"Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.x9zvp...@red.lan...
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:40:31 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>
>>>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>>>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>>>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>>>
>>>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>>>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>>
>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.
>>
>> You might. Parliament didn't.
>>
>> 366 votes to 81.
>
> Since when has our government done anything sensible?

When they pulled the plug on your benefits.

> The problem is the type of power hungry morons who like to
> take up politics are precisely the type of people that shouldn't.

Corse that isn't true of fools like Farage eh ?

Chris French

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Dec 21, 2015, 2:21:09 PM12/21/15
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In message <2042e$56783a61$cf3aab60$16...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
John <caedfaa9ed1216d60e...@example.com> writes
I assume that they were supposed to be UK specific ones, and they cocked
up somewhere.

I'm mostly just amused by it :-)
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F

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Dec 21, 2015, 2:22:45 PM12/21/15
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On 21/12/2015 19:16, Mr Macaw wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:19:32 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>
>> On 21/12/2015 12:28, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>
>>>> The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it
>>>> is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light, particularly
>>>> in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in
>>>> winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter
>>>> then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.
>>>
>>> Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?
>>
>> Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.
>
> Since when did Scots farmers outnumber everyone else in the UK?

They don't but, like a good number of Scots, they tend to exercise their
vocal chords quite vigorously.

Devolution, referendum anybody?

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polygonum

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Dec 21, 2015, 2:26:30 PM12/21/15
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On 21/12/2015 12:06, Chris French wrote:
> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>
> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
> controlled clock as our old one died.
>
> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>
> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>
> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
> :-)

Going off at a tangent...

Let us contemplate the idea that Scotland becomes independent, or
despite not being fully independent gained control over their time zone.
They then decide to shift their time zone differently to England and
Wales. But the MSF transmitter is in England.

Would there be vast numbers of radio-controlled clocks appearing on
eBay? With "Item located in Kirkcaldy, Dundee, Edinburgh, Aberdeen,
Glasgow, ..."

I can't think of a obvious technical solution unless the clocks are
switchable between time sources (as some are). Even then, the switch I
have seen is between existing sources - not some new fangled one on a
different frequency.

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"Chris French" <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nRfTKnWa7$dWNA$6...@familyfrench.co.uk...
> In message <n58tjf$ja7$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris B <ne...@salis.co.uk> writes
>>On 21/12/2015 12:06, Chris French wrote:
>>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>>
>>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>>
>>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>>
>>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>>
>>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>>> :-)
>>
>>I have bought 3 from Lidl over the years and they all have had the ability
>>to set the displayed time as +/- 1, 2 or 3 hours. Try playing with the
>>menus or if all else fails try google for the exact type - you will
>>probably find the info.
>
> There are no menus, googling it up produces no results.
>
> Manual is here is any one thinks I'm not reading them correctly.
>
> <http://www.lidl-service.com/cps/rde/SID-31E28FCE-A4508391/lsp/hs.xsl/pro
> duct.html?id=140798043&rdeLocaleAttr=en&title=RADIO-CONTROLLED%20WALL%20C
> LOCK>

My reading of that is that you can use the manual time setting to
move the time forward 1 minute at a time and that that offset will
be used when it acquires the radio time.

> I think Lidl have cocked up :-)

I find it hard to believe that krauts could fuck up as spectacularly as
that.

Mr Macaw

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Looks like most people are in favour.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:20:27 -0000, Phucker fucker <pf6...@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>
> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.x9zvp...@red.lan...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:40:31 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>>>>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>>>>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>>>>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>>>
>>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>>>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.
>>>
>>> You might. Parliament didn't.
>>>
>>> 366 votes to 81.
>>
>> Since when has our government done anything sensible?
>
> When they pulled the plug on your benefits.

No they didn't.

>> The problem is the type of power hungry morons who like to
>> take up politics are precisely the type of people that shouldn't.
>
> Corse that isn't true of fools like Farage eh ?

We don't know, because our fucked up voting system the Conservatives have fiddled means that they got THREE TIMES more votes than the SNP, yet a FIFTIETH of the seats.

Mr Macaw

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Hey guess what? You don't have to listen to complaints! The government oughta just tell them to sod off. Democracy is about majority rule, and farmers are not the majority.

> Devolution, referendum anybody?

What? Fairness in politics?

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"Phucker fucker" wrote in message news:ddr1nu...@mid.individual.net...
>
Fuck off Rod

Rod Speed

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"John" <caedfaa9ed1216d60e...@example.com> wrote in message
news:2042e$56783a61$cf3aab60$16...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
> replying to Chris Hogg , John wrote:
>> me wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 +0000, Chris French I also have a Lidl RC
>> clock that gets it's time signal from Frankfurt. It's an Auriol IAN
>> 100706. Big flat round face, two rectangular windows, wall-hanging,
>> displays time, day, date, week no., temperature and moon phase. Yours may
>> be different. Somewhere in the instructions or set-up routine there's an
>> option to set the time zone. Just found where: page 9. As they say, when
>> all else fails, read the instructions. :-)

> There are hundreds of these being sold from today - and they're all wrong
> by an hour. The intructions for this clock make no mention of any means
> of adjusting it by an hour, and Lidl themselves say they're getting loads
> of complaints - but have no answer beyond a refund.
>
> They're either very stupid or just assume their customers are stupid
> enough to put up with defective clocks.

Or someone fucked up on what got shipped to the UK to be sold there.

Mike Barnes

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polygonum wrote:
> Going off at a tangent...

NWWT :-)

> Let us contemplate the idea that Scotland becomes independent, or
> despite not being fully independent gained control over their time zone.
> They then decide to shift their time zone differently to England and
> Wales. But the MSF transmitter is in England.
>
> Would there be vast numbers of radio-controlled clocks appearing on
> eBay? With "Item located in Kirkcaldy, Dundee, Edinburgh, Aberdeen,
> Glasgow, ..."
>
> I can't think of a obvious technical solution unless the clocks are
> switchable between time sources (as some are). Even then, the switch I
> have seen is between existing sources - not some new fangled one on a
> different frequency.

I seems to recall hearing about r-c clocks that you can adjust plus or
minus an hour (or several hours).

That would be OK if the new time zone was an exact number of hours
different, and changed summer/winter time on the same dates. The Scots
would be mad to do anything else.

My preference would be for the UK to shift to CET. Without the Scots, if
necessary.

Mr Macaw

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:00:37 -0000, Mike Tomlinson <mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote:

> En el artículo <n58v1p$qps$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Adrian
> <tooma...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Feel free to ask for an explanation if you don't understand the
>> difference.
>
> Thank fuck my killfile picked up PHucker's latest morph.

Clearly not, as you're in a discussion about me.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:38:49 -0000, Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 +0000, Chris French
> <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>
>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>
>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>
>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>
>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>> :-)
>
> I also have a Lidl RC clock that gets it's time signal from Frankfurt.
> It's an Auriol IAN 100706. Big flat round face, two rectangular
> windows, wall-hanging, displays time, day, date, week no., temperature
> and moon phase. Yours may be different. Somewhere in the instructions
> or set-up routine there's an option to set the time zone. Just found
> where: page 9. As they say, when all else fails, read the
> instructions. :-)

^W^W^W Get a bigger hammer.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:05:15 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>,
> Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>
>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>
>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>
>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>
>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>> :-)
>
> I'd be amazed if it's not possible to switch it to GMT. Lidl seem to
> manage to sell electrical stuff with UK plugs on them. ;-)

What happened to the days when people knew how to fit their own plugs?

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You'd get a tectonic rift along Hadrian's Wall, are you sure you want to go ahead with this?

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Phucker fucker

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"Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.x90d1...@red.lan...
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:20:27 -0000, Phucker fucker <pf6...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.x9zvp...@red.lan...
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:40:31 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:28:18 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>>>>>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>>>>>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>>>>>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>>>>
>>>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>>>>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.
>>>>
>>>> You might. Parliament didn't.
>>>>
>>>> 366 votes to 81.
>>>
>>> Since when has our government done anything sensible?
>>
>> When they pulled the plug on your benefits.
>
> No they didn't.
>
>>> The problem is the type of power hungry morons who like to
>>> take up politics are precisely the type of people that shouldn't.
>>
>> Corse that isn't true of fools like Farage eh ?
>
> We don't know,

Yes we do.

> because our fucked up voting system the Conservatives have fiddled means
> that they got THREE TIMES more votes than the SNP, yet a FIFTIETH of the
> seats.

Not relevant to whether Farage is one of
those you object to taking up politics.

Phil L

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Mr Macaw wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:25:41 -0000, Adrian <tooma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:02 +0000, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>
>>> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks
>>> back to give us even less light in an already dark winter.
>>
>> If you're going to blame politicians, then there's three different
>> dates you might find useful to remember.
>>
>> 1916, when it was first introduced.
>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all year.
>> 1970, when the House of Commons reviewed the trial and voted
>> overwhelmingly to go back to the hour change.
>>
>> But it still wouldn't be right all year, because Germany has an hour
>> clock change in autumn and spring, too.
>
> The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it
> is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light,
> particularly in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not
> backwards in winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer
> doesn't matter then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.

And as now it only gets light at 8AM, if it were left like that, it would
still be dark when all the kids were going to school at 8:30, this is why
they changed it - an extra hour at 4pm is a waste of light, all the kids are
back home by then


Mr Macaw

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Don't interrupt Rod, or you'll be deleted again.

I do however find it amusing you change name every time you think I won't talk to you anymore. Is this a crush or what? I thought there were no poofters in Australia?

>> because our fucked up voting system the Conservatives have fiddled means
>> that they got THREE TIMES more votes than the SNP, yet a FIFTIETH of the
>> seats.
>
> Not relevant to whether Farage is one of
> those you object to taking up politics.

His policies are FAR better than other parties. Except the BNP of course.

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Mr Macaw

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Why let kids ruin it for the rest of us? Especially as they're taken to school by car nowadays anyway.

Oh and they've invented streetlamps by the way.

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Mr Macaw

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:55:21 -0000, Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, and they could have light when they went out to play, which is just, if not more, likely to cause them to get run over.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:55:21 -0000, Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

But but but, we have those pesky 20mph limits, it's impossible to kill people on the road....

ARW

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:553594c...@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <5uGdnUACnbNa3-XL...@brightview.co.uk>,
> F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>> > Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?
>
>> Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.
>
> Do their cows tell the time, then?

They know when to go to sleep - at pasture bedtime



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On 21/12/2015 12:06, Chris French wrote:
> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>
> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
> controlled clock as our old one died.
>
> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>
> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>
> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
> :-)

There is a setting on both my lidl clocks to set the offset from the
German time signal.
RTFM to see how to set it as I doubt that yours doesn't also have a setting.

Chris French

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In message <ctrdFiZG...@familyfrench.co.uk>, Chris French
<new...@familyfrench.co.uk> writes
>In message <153dee4e-af89-4d55...@googlegroups.com>,
>Mathew Newton <mathewja...@googlemail.com> writes
>>On Monday, 21 December 2015 13:40:41 UTC, Chris French wrote:
>>
>>> I think Lidl have cocked up :-)
>>
>>It seems that way!
>>
>>Could you carefully remove the hour hand and refit it an hour
>>previous? It might be a keyed shaft to ease assembly (no calibration)
>>however if it is just a splined/interference shaft you might be okay.
>>
>
>Quite possibly, but I've got better things to do right now.
>
>
Well, as it happens, I was sat with the clock nearby, and I thought I've
nothing to lose by having a poke about.

The front came off easily , secured with 4 sprung clips.

I pulled off the second hand, but the main hands seem to be on a
hexagonal shaft. They wouldn't easily come off anyway. On a whim I just
moved the hands back to 11 o'clock and set it off again. Low and behold
it now shows the correct time :-)

Actually the minute hand is about 1/4 minute off, but I'm sure I can
tweak that if it bothers me.

Presumably that is how they should have been sold.
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I am imagining Scotland choosing no summer/winter change, changing on
different dates, doubled change, or something else that can't ready be
handled by the existing simplistic "which transmitter" and "extra
hour/minus hour" mechanisms.

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F Murtz

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Mr Macaw wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 -0000, Chris French
> <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>
>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>
>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>
>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>
>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>> :-)
>
> It would be right if our fuckwit government hadn't put the clocks back
> to give us even less light in an already dark winter.
>


???? Do they change the earth rotation

Chris French

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In message <XnsA577EA2...@8.17.249.101>, pamela
<inv...@nospam.com> writes
>On 14:56 21 Dec 2015, Chris French wrote:
>
>> In message <hu3g7bl3m8stc89qa...@4ax.com>, Thomas Prufer
>> <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> writes
>>>On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:30:02 +0000, Chris French
>>><new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Manual is here is any one thinks I'm not reading them correctly.
>>>>
>>>><http://www.lidl-service.com/cps/rde/SID-31E28FCE-
>>>>A4508391/lsp/hs.xsl/pro
>>>>duct.html?id=140798043&rdeLocaleAttr=en&title=RADIO-CONTROLLED
>>>>%20WALL%20CLOCK>
>>>>
>>>>I think Lidl have cocked up :-)
>>>
>>>Sounds like it.
>>>
>>>Does the clock start at 12, 4, or 8? Could be the hands were put on
>>>wrong...?
>>>
>>
>> They start at 12.
>>
>> However, perusing the Lidl service site, I found the same looking
>> clock sold previously under a different model number.
>>
>> It says for UK the hands should go to 11 (and for a couple of other
>> countries to 1, presumably as they are an hour ahead)
>>
>> looks like my clock should have stayed on the mainland :-)
>
>So even if you set the time manually, soon enough the clock will adjust
>itself to German time?

Yup.

>
>That would mean every clock sold is unsuitable for use in the UK.
>

Yup, they have cocked up.
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Mr Macaw

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The earth's rotation changes by up to 50 seconds either way per day.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:56:05 -0000, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:

No, they come and paint different numbers on all our clocks and watches so the light happens earlier in the day.

Chris French

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In message <5678820b$0$26018$b1db1813$df80...@news.astraweb.com>,
dennis@home.?.invalid writes
How about you Reading The Fucking Thread.
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In message <ddr2de...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes
>
>
>"Chris French" <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:nRfTKnWa7$dWNA$6...@familyfrench.co.uk...
>> In message <n58tjf$ja7$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris B <ne...@salis.co.uk> writes
>>>On 21/12/2015 12:06, Chris French wrote:
>>>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>>>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>>>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>>>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>>>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>>>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>>>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>>>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>>>
>>>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>>>
>>>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>I have bought 3 from Lidl over the years and they all have had the
>>>ability to set the displayed time as +/- 1, 2 or 3 hours. Try
>>>playing with the menus or if all else fails try google for the exact
>>>type - you will probably find the info.
>>
>> There are no menus, googling it up produces no results.
>>
>> Manual is here is any one thinks I'm not reading them correctly.
>>
>> <http://www.lidl-service.com/cps/rde/SID-31E28FCE-A4508391/lsp/hs.xsl/pro
>> duct.html?id=140798043&rdeLocaleAttr=en&title=RADIO-CONTROLLED%20WALL%20C
>> LOCK>
>
>My reading of that is that you can use the manual time setting to
>move the time forward 1 minute at a time and that that offset will
>be used when it acquires the radio time.

I don't think so, whilst it doesn't specify it in the manual, with radio
control clocks they normally revert to the automatically set time once
they recieve the signal again.
>
>> I think Lidl have cocked up :-)
>
>I find it hard to believe that krauts could fuck up as spectacularly as
that.

<shrug> believe what you want.
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That will be the last time you get a friendly reply.

Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <_zZdy.236448$C6.2...@fx34.am4>,
Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> And as now it only gets light at 8AM, if it were left like that, it
> would still be dark when all the kids were going to school at 8:30,
> this is why they changed it - an extra hour at 4pm is a waste of light,
> all the kids are back home by then

When I were a kid in the NE of Scotland, we went to school in the dark as
well as coming home after dark for some of the winter.

But had daylight until after 11pm in mid summer.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <n59ref$em9$1...@dont-email.me>,
That's good. Know any udder ones?

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Unclefista

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replying to Chris French , Unclefista wrote:
> newsgrp wrote:
>
> In message <hu3g7bl3m8stc89qa...@4ax.com>, Thomas Prufer
> <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> writes
> They start at 12.
> However, perusing the Lidl service site, I found the same looking clock
> sold previously under a different model number.
> It says for UK the hands should go to 11 (and for a couple of other
> countries to 1, presumably as they are an hour ahead)
> looks like my clock should have stayed on the mainland :-)
> --
> Chris French



I've just sorted mine out, no menu or anything complicated ;)

The clock face/mechanism is held into the case with 4 wire clips. Unclip
these from the case (the end closest to you, not the point of the V that
presses against the black plastic of the mechanism, you'll see what I mean
when you look.

Then I physically moved the hour hand back an hour.

Clips clip back into place.

That's it..

Took me about 2 minutes because I was being careful.

HTH

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replying to alan_m , John wrote:
> junk wrote:
>
> The aldi/lidl clocks often have a UK/CET switch to set the time zone.
> --
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Sadly, though, this one doesn't.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:05:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <n59ref$em9$1...@dont-email.me>,
> ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:553594c...@davenoise.co.uk...
>> > In article <5uGdnUACnbNa3-XL...@brightview.co.uk>,
>> > F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>> >> > Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some reason?
>> >
>> >> Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.
>> >
>> > Do their cows tell the time, then?
>
>> They know when to go to sleep - at pasture bedtime
>
>That's good. Know any udder ones?

You're milking this.

G.Harman

Thomas Prufer

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:51:57 +0000, polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote:

>I am imagining Scotland choosing no summer/winter change, changing on
>different dates, doubled change, or something else that can't ready be
>handled by the existing simplistic "which transmitter" and "extra
>hour/minus hour" mechanisms.

The smallest time increment the current time zones show is 15 minutes.

That would be outside the usual reception area: Nepal, Australia, New Zealand...


Thomas Prufer

The Natural Philosopher

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In message <ddr2de...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes
>> I find it hard to believe that krauts could fuck up as spectacularly as
> that.

Oh Ye of little Faith...
Volkswagen?
Energiewiende?

Cultural Marxism has rendered Germany more fucked up than most places



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PeterC

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 +0000, Chris French wrote:

> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>
> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
> controlled clock as our old one died.
>
> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>
> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>
> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
> :-)

You need to turn on Time Zones - it's not obvious where this is, on mine, as
it's not in the settings but on other buttons.
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Rod Speed

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"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:n5b0u1$vt6$3...@news.albasani.net...
> In message <ddr2de...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes
>>> I find it hard to believe that krauts could fuck up as spectacularly as
>>> that.

> Oh Ye of little Faith...

We'll see...

> Volkswagen?

Nothing even remotely like as fucked up.

> Energiewiende?

Nothing even remotely like as fucked up.

> Cultural Marxism has rendered Germany more fucked up than most places

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Brian-Gaff

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Dec 22, 2015, 4:02:05 AM12/22/15
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Well, Its been a while since I could see this, but I remember one clock that
was as described here, but as I recall there was a couple of sentences in
the scrap of paper which doubled as a manual to the effect that if yu press
certain buttons and hold them for x seconds, it allows the ofset to be
changd. This of course was fine until the clocks changed the next time,
whereupon you had lost the bit of paper and could not remember what to push!
Brian

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"Chris French" <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dx4dyyVE0$dWN...@familyfrench.co.uk...
> In message <553576b...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>>In article <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>,
>> Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>
>>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if they
>>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>
>>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it uses the
>>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>
>>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>
>>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves wrong
>>> :-)
>>
>>I'd be amazed if it's not possible to switch it to GMT. Lidl seem to
>>manage to sell electrical stuff with UK plugs on them. ;-)
>>
> Well yes, but I can't see anyway on this clock
> --
> Chris French
>


Dave Liquorice

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Dec 22, 2015, 5:43:06 AM12/22/15
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:55:21 -0000, Phil L wrote:

>>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all
year.
>>
>> The 1966 thing is what we need.

No we fing don't. That trial was awful from the POV of a six year
old, walking to school in the dark wearing the issued Hi-viz waist
coat.

>> Summer doesn't matter what time it is, there's loads of light.
Winter
>> has not enough light, particularly in the evening.

If people want to have a BBQ on the patio in late December (and it
has been warm enough for that this year) fit the working hours to the
available daylight. The wage slave 9-5 is an hour offset from (GMT)
daylight, 8-4 would be a better fit and for those that want a BBQ do
7-3.

>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.

The clocks aren't backwards in winter, they are closer to siderial
time, ie noon is when the sun is highest in the sky.

>> Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter then we
don't
>> have to bother changing the clocks.

Apart from the spurious "light evenings" argument trading with europe
is put forward as a reason for sticking with GMT+1 all year. Except
of course most of the EU moves to GMT+2 in the summer so that blows
that argument out of the water.

> And as now it only gets light at 8AM, if it were left like that, it
> would still be dark when all the kids were going to school at 8:30, this
> is why they changed it - an extra hour at 4pm is a waste of light, all
> the kids are back home by then

See above as a six year old in the trial period I hated it and that
was in the Midlands. Up here in the North of England or further north
I dread to think what it was like.

http://www.howhill.com/weather/webcam_24.php

Camera switches to B&W "night" mode about the light level that if you
are outside working by natural light you should have packed up and
finished for day a little while earlier.

That page refreshes each hour, last night 22 Dec was cloudy and dark
(there is a small IR illuminator for the FG). Night before clearish
and lit from an approximately 3/4 full moon.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,
Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
> >>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all
> year.
> >>
> >> The 1966 thing is what we need.

> No we fing don't. That trial was awful from the POV of a six year
> old, walking to school in the dark wearing the issued Hi-viz waist
> coat.

The obvious snag is the time of daybreak changes dramatically across the
country. So what is fine in one part won't be in another.

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Chris French

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Dec 22, 2015, 7:40:24 AM12/22/15
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In message <OxKZSaRM...@familyfrench.co.uk>, Chris French
<new...@familyfrench.co.uk> writes
>
>So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves
>wrong :-)

Lidl have confirmed that you can't set the clocks to UK time.

<http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/auriol-radio-controlled-clock-8-99-lidl-
2356739?page=5#comments>

comment #91

but my adjusted one is going fine so I think I'll keep it.
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The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 22, 2015, 8:07:06 AM12/22/15
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On 22/12/15 09:02, Brian-Gaff wrote:
> Well, Its been a while since I could see this, but I remember one clock that
> was as described here, but as I recall there was a couple of sentences in
> the scrap of paper which doubled as a manual to the effect that if yu press
> certain buttons and hold them for x seconds, it allows the ofset to be
> changd. This of course was fine until the clocks changed the next time,
> whereupon you had lost the bit of paper and could not remember what to push!
> Brian
>

This is why I always scan those scraps of paper and put them in a
directory called 'manuals' on my server..

Dave Liquorice

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Dec 22, 2015, 9:43:08 AM12/22/15
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:55:10 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>>
>> No we fing don't. That trial was awful from the POV of a six year
>> old, walking to school in the dark wearing the issued Hi-viz waist
>> coat.
>
> The obvious snag is the time of daybreak changes dramatically across the
> country. So what is fine in one part won't be in another.

Roughly 40 mins most westerly (Soay) to most easterly (Lowestoft)
points of the UK but with a 8:1 bias to early sunrise. So Soay has
sunrise approx 32 mins before Greenwich. Yes, I know it's not that
simple as the earth is a tilted spheroid so the terminator doesn't
follow the lines of longitude very well. I think that that affect may
have is to shorten the time difference between Soay and Greenwich in
the Winter.

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brain@thebrain.com The Brain

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Mr Macaw wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:19:32 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>
>> On 21/12/2015 12:28, Mr Macaw wrote:
>>
>>>> The 1966 thing is what we need. Summer doesn't matter what time it
>>>> is, there's loads of light. Winter has not enough light,
>>>> particularly in the evening. So we want the clocks FORWARDS not
>>>> backwards in winter. Might aswell leave them forwards as summer
>>>> doesn't matter then we don't have to bother changing the clocks.
>>>
>>> Apparently most English want the above, but not Scots for some
>>> reason?
>>
>> Scottish farmers, if I remember correctly.
>
> Since when did Scots farmers outnumber everyone else in the UK?

Fuck off PHucker wanker.



Bob Eager

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:07:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/12/15 09:02, Brian-Gaff wrote:
>> Well, Its been a while since I could see this, but I remember one clock
>> that was as described here, but as I recall there was a couple of
>> sentences in the scrap of paper which doubled as a manual to the effect
>> that if yu press certain buttons and hold them for x seconds, it allows
>> the ofset to be changd. This of course was fine until the clocks
>> changed the next time, whereupon you had lost the bit of paper and
>> could not remember what to push!
>> Brian
>>
>>
> This is why I always scan those scraps of paper and put them in a
> directory called 'manuals' on my server..

I put them on my e-reader too.

Mathew Newton

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On Monday, 21 December 2015 14:30:43 UTC, Chris French wrote:

> >Could you carefully remove the hour hand and refit it an hour previous?
> >It might be a keyed shaft to ease assembly (no calibration) however if
> >it is just a splined/interference shaft you might be okay.
> >
>
> Quite possibly, but I've got better things to do right now.

Ah, but think of the extra hour it'll give you... you might even have time to put your feet up if you finish early! ;-)

polygonum

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Dec 22, 2015, 4:11:34 PM12/22/15
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Doesn't seem likely that they would choose such an unusual step as to
select a quarter-hour difference. But if they chose anything that wasn't
same-day, same-difference then they would need to manually adjust at
least some of the time. Building their own time signal would take years
to be adopted by manufacturers of clocks.

--
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Bob Minchin

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Dec 23, 2015, 9:11:13 AM12/23/15
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Chris French wrote:
> In message <oc0g7b1h72152gnn9...@4ax.com>, Chris Hogg
> <m...@privacy.net> writes
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:53:41 +0000, Chris French
>> <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <gurf7b1n27tm435mb...@4ax.com>, Chris Hogg
>>> <m...@privacy.net> writes
>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:06:36 +0000, Chris French
>>>> <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A new Lidl has recently in our local town - a bit of a novelty as the
>>>>> nearest Aldlidls are about 20 miles away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, popped in today for the first time when passing, to see if
>>>>> they
>>>>> had any interesting things in their deals. I picked up a new radio
>>>>> controlled clock as our old one died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thing is, it's it sets itself an hour fast. Instructions say it
>>>>> uses the
>>>>> DCF77 signal from Mainflingen in Germany, which presumably is giving
>>>>> time in CET (GMT+1). Now I don't really know how the system works, but
>>>>> the clocks obviously don't know where in the world they are so
>>>>> presumably are set to pickup a specific signal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a radio controlled watch, but on that I can set the time zone)
>>>>>
>>>>> So are Lidl are selling a load of clocks which will set themselves
>>>>> wrong
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> I also have a Lidl RC clock that gets it's time signal from Frankfurt.
>>>> It's an Auriol IAN 100706. Big flat round face, two rectangular
>>>> windows, wall-hanging, displays time, day, date, week no., temperature
>>>> and moon phase. Yours may be different. Somewhere in the instructions
>>>> or set-up routine there's an option to set the time zone. Just found
>>>> where: page 9. As they say, when all else fails, read the
>>>> instructions. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, but I did once it didn't set it self correctly :-), it says
>>> nothing about changing the time zone.
>>>
>>> Mine is different model:
>>>
>>> <http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=29549>
>>>
>>>
>>> A quick web search suggest they have had this problem before with
>>> similar clocks
>>
>> Does this help? Different model, but the works may be similar
>> http://tinyurl.com/oj4cj2l
>> The instructions for mine are here http://tinyurl.com/hgx67my
>>
> Thanks, but no that doesn't help I'm afraid. (I think I'd found that
> fixya page before).
>
> That is all for digital clocks, as is yours, mine is analogue and based
> on a different mechanism (unsurprisingly).
>
> It's ok, AFAICS Lidl have cocked up, I'll take it back in a couple of days.
No need to return it, just pull off the hands having let it set itself 1
hr ahead of GMT and then replace the hands on GMT.
Simples

ARW

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<damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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The farmer did.



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rick

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Dec 26, 2015, 11:10:26 AM12/26/15
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My radio controlled alarm clock has been an Hr out since end of BST
have to manually set

Mr Macaw

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Dec 26, 2015, 11:25:43 AM12/26/15
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"The Divergence of the B Field = 0
The Curl of the E Field + the partial time derivative of the B field = 0
The Divergence of the D field = the charge density
The Curl of the H field - the partial time derivative of the D field = the current density"

and there was light, and he saw that it was good and of constant speed.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:04:20 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <_zZdy.236448$C6.2...@fx34.am4>,
> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> And as now it only gets light at 8AM, if it were left like that, it
>> would still be dark when all the kids were going to school at 8:30,
>> this is why they changed it - an extra hour at 4pm is a waste of light,
>> all the kids are back home by then
>
> When I were a kid in the NE of Scotland, we went to school in the dark as
> well as coming home after dark for some of the winter.
>
> But had daylight until after 11pm in mid summer.

It seems to be assumed that everybody's scared of the dark nowadays. We don't get dark anymore, because people have 1 billion watt headlamps on their cars, and the police don't seem to do a thing. Why don't they pull people over every time they're dazzled by one?

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:30:36 -0000, Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:55:21 -0000, Phil L wrote:
>
>>>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all
> year.
>>>
>>> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>
> No we fing don't. That trial was awful from the POV of a six year
> old, walking to school in the dark

Awww you poor thing, were there monsters behind the trees?

As a kid, I preferred light AFTER school, when I went out to play. Who gives a fuck what it is when you're just going somewhere you don't want to be anyway?

> wearing the issued Hi-viz waist coat.

Then don't wear it. You must be younger than me, because people hadn't gone crazy on those outlandish things when I were a lad.

The only thing I was "forced" to do was to get off the school bus at the correct stop (the stupid driver was concerned for my safety or something - I was only trying to go to a friend's house). From that day on I cycled to school and he didn't get his 10p fare.

>>> Summer doesn't matter what time it is, there's loads of light.
>>> Winter has not enough light, particularly in the evening.
>
> If people want to have a BBQ on the patio in late December (and it
> has been warm enough for that this year) fit the working hours to the
> available daylight. The wage slave 9-5 is an hour offset from (GMT)
> daylight, 8-4 would be a better fit and for those that want a BBQ do
> 7-3.

Changing the working hours is more of a pfaff than simply changing the time.

>>> So we want the clocks FORWARDS not backwards in winter.
>
> The clocks aren't backwards in winter, they are closer to siderial
> time, ie noon is when the sun is highest in the sky.

Why does noon have to be then? In fact it shouldn't be. The highest sun should be in the middle of the period of time the average person is awake. IME, most people get up at 7 or 8 for work, or 9 or 10 on days off, then go to bed at 11 or 12. So midday should be 4pm.

>>> Might aswell leave them forwards as summer doesn't matter then we
>>> don't have to bother changing the clocks.
>
> Apart from the spurious "light evenings" argument trading with europe

A light evening's argument trading? Is this a Monty Python sketch? :-)

> is put forward as a reason for sticking with GMT+1 all year. Except
> of course most of the EU moves to GMT+2 in the summer so that blows
> that argument out of the water.

Make all of Europe the same, then we'd have the lighter evening too.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:55:10 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,
> Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>> >>> 1966, when the start of a trial saw the UK move to GMT+1 all
>> year.
>> >>
>> >> The 1966 thing is what we need.
>
>> No we fing don't. That trial was awful from the POV of a six year
>> old, walking to school in the dark wearing the issued Hi-viz waist
>> coat.
>
> The obvious snag is the time of daybreak changes dramatically across the
> country. So what is fine in one part won't be in another.

Which is why we should centre the lightest part of the day around the middle of our waking hours.

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En el artículo <n5me5e$946$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, rick <rick_hughes@_remo
ve_btconnect.com> escribió:

>My radio controlled alarm clock has been an Hr out since end of BST
>have to manually set

The cheapy I got from fleabay keeps perfect time, and what's more, the
seller gave me an automatic refund because they'd had several complaints
of the wall wart being noisy, so rather than wait for more complaints,
decided to proactively refund everyone who'd bought one.

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