Hydrochloric Acid - Where can I get some?
Richard Faulkner
built up in a marine toilet.
I'm guessing that it is no longer freely available.... Any ideas where I
can get some? A couple of litres will probably do the trick.
(Once it's gone, I'll use white vinegar to prevent it returning).
--
Richard Faulkner
meow...@care2.com
brick acid, screwfix or any BM. Also many patio cleaners, again any BM.
Goggles very much advisable.
NT
EricP
Anywhere, B&Q it's brick acid.
The3rd Earl Of Derby
A photographers ie darkroom chemicals?
Try the yellow pages locally for chemical suppliers ie lab supplies.
I doubt whether you would obtain this off the shelf anywhere, chemist would
want a letter from god before they even consider selling you it.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
d...@gglz.com
within the last 2 months.
For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
well.
The Natural Philosopher
john2
Waitrose and Tesco versions definitely claim to contain HCl on the
warning label. It's strong enough to strip chrome plating off plastic
waste fittings.
tony sayer
<jo...@hudson8889.fsnet.co.uk> writes
Yes doesn't it just. Little 'un here recently decided to swallow a small
10 mm diameter chrome plated ball bearing just for the fun of it
apparently. Three odd days later nature had taken its course and almost
all the chrome plate had gone:)
Strong stuff that old stomach acid, perhaps you could have a dodgy curry
and pump the results back up and use that;-))....
--
Tony Sayer
Steve Firth
> I need a small amount of HCl to dissolve calcium carbonate which has
> built up in a marine toilet.
Given the application you don't need to use HCl, sulphamic acid will do.
You can buy large tubs of sulphamic acid crystals in DIY sheds sold as
"Fernox" descaler. Dissolve in hot water before pouring into the bog, if
you're concerned about the heat damaging plastic components in the heads
then wait until the solution cools first.
This nonsense about supplying chemicals to the public is really getting on
my wick. I tried to buy some food grade citric acid recently. It's used in
preparing elderflower cordial. Response from the local pharmacist "we can't
sell you that because heroin addicts use it to prepare their fix".
FFS, don't sell me icing sugar either since dope dealers cut their white
powder with it.
chris...@postmaster.co.uk
Went to Sainsbury's yesterday. The loos (so this is on topic) are now
locked and you have to go to the security manager for a key, presumably
with guarantees from the Chief Con that you aren't a rapist. How
paranoid can people get?
Chris
d...@gglz.com
HCl:
http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=40
Citric acid:
http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=15
Owain
> I doubt whether you would obtain this off the shelf anywhere, chemist would
> want a letter from god before they even consider selling you it.
And if you tell the chemist you're god's personal representative on
earth and don't need no steenking letter, they'll probably be even less
willing to sell it and start dialling 09941479991129118008999 or
whatever easy to remember number we're supposed to start using for the
police instead of 999.
Owain
Tim S
tony sayer
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:37:03 +0100, Richard Faulkner wrote:
>
>> I need a small amount of HCl to dissolve calcium carbonate which has
>> built up in a marine toilet.
>
>Given the application you don't need to use HCl, sulphamic acid will do.
>You can buy large tubs of sulphamic acid crystals in DIY sheds sold as
>"Fernox" descaler. Dissolve in hot water before pouring into the bog, if
>you're concerned about the heat damaging plastic components in the heads
>then wait until the solution cools first.
Health 'n saftee alert!!!
Make sure you put a large sign outside with FLUSH BEFORE USE writ large
thereon in case any poor unsuspecting drops a large Richard in there and
has that splash up on his/her botty
>
>This nonsense about supplying chemicals to the public is really getting on
>my wick. I tried to buy some food grade citric acid recently. It's used in
>preparing elderflower cordial. Response from the local pharmacist "we can't
>sell you that because heroin addicts use it to prepare their fix".
>
Yes get this silly buggers from our chemist when we stock up on
Paracetamol and Ibuprofen, about "can't sell you more than a few in case
you want to top yourself" etc...###
>FFS, don't sell me icing sugar either since dope dealers cut their white
>powder with it.
--
Tony Sayer
Bob Eager
wrote:
> This nonsense about supplying chemicals to the public is really getting on
> my wick. I tried to buy some food grade citric acid recently. It's used in
> preparing elderflower cordial. Response from the local pharmacist "we can't
> sell you that because heroin addicts use it to prepare their fix".
Local chemist got all superior and refused to sell me more than one
packet. Other chemists don't seem to mind.
Local veggie food shop ("Veggie Perrins"!) sold me a much bigger bag at
a lower price, no problem.
--
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poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk
Beelzebub
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> FFS, don't sell me icing sugar either since dope dealers cut their white
> powder with it.
More fun uses for icing sugar than that anyway ;-)
How's life with you? Rich beyond your wildest dreams now? How many
millions did you make? ;-)
d...@gglz.com
> Wow:
>
> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=19
Yeah - cool shop isn't it? That, or it's a front for
http://www.soca.gov.uk/
Tim S
raden
<ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> writes
maybe the easiest way of getting it if you think everyone will think you
a crim for wanting chemicals is to buy it as a descaler
e.g.
http://www.kamco.co.uk/descaling.htm
make sure your WC can take it, and dilute appropriately
--
geoff
raden
<t...@dionic.net> writes
have to go out and buy some iodine
Ammonia tri-iodide, excellent stuff
--
geoff
The Medway Handyman
I was once told that Harpic was the waste product generated by the Hcl
manufacturing process.
--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257
Andy Hall
>On 2006-04-29, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=19
>
>The home page alone has enough bomb-making stuff on it to make the
>Home Secretary shit himself.
At this point, I imagine that his bowels are well evacuated as it
is.......
>
>I'm astonished that some paranoid wanker in The Establishment hasn't had
>words with these people.
--
.andy
meow...@care2.com
> Tim S wrote:
> > http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=19
hugely expensive, with many prices 10x what I last paid
> Yeah - cool shop isn't it? That, or it's a front for
> http://www.soca.gov.uk/
"SOCA assumed its functions on Saturday 1 April 2006."
NT
Frank Erskine
>"SOCA assumed its functions on Saturday 1 April 2006."
So presumably HMG's proposals for merging of various police forces are
no longer necessary.
--
Frank Erskine
Richard Faulkner
"d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com> writes
This is quarter inch of solid scale.
--
Richard Faulkner
Malcolm Stewart
news:1146307706....@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for the "heads up"
- but what an odd collection of chemicals, and weird performance of their
search engine. I entered "Benzene" and was offered "Sulphur powder". In
some places they appear to offer ethyl alcohol (i.e. pure) but the bottle
label includes the "Denatured" label.
Many of the chemicals are what I was brought up on back in the 1950's, and
in those days they were obtainable from "Boots The Chemist" dispensers,
occasionally needing a note from Dad when it was an acid, or from Flatters &
Garnet in Oxford Street (Road?), Manchester. They required a signature in
their poisons book occasionally.
--
M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm
dennis@home
"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
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> (Sadly, suicides by paracetamol have gone down markedly since
> Tony's ban.)
It can't be Tony's ban as the 32 tabs they will sell you is well above what
is needed to kill anyone.
Tim S
When I actually went searching, I noticed a very small actual displayed
stock. Most of the chemicals are "interesting", though they forgot silver
nitrate powder to go with the magnesium powder :)
Chloroform, toluene and ethanol but practically no other hydrocarbons that I
could find. Hmm, abduction, TNT (with enough acids to boot), glycerine for
the obvious, acetone and enough bits to make NI3 for the party afterwards
with something to spike the punch with to boot. If they sold charcoal, you
could add gunpowder to the list.
whois:
Registrant:
RAW CHEMICALS INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
ATTN: THECHEMICALSHOP.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
This lot, google produces: www.kno3.com with a smaller, but similarly
bizarre selection of products.
A few more exotic salts and they might as well call themselves "Chemicals
for the fireworks industry" (!).
Has anyone actually bought anything from them?
And did you notice a car you've never seen before parked over the road for 3
weeks afterwards, with a bloke reading the newspaper?
Weird.
Tim
raden
Stewart <malcolm...@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> writes
><d...@gglz.com> wrote in message
>news:1146307706....@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> However if you wan the real stuff,
>> HCl:
>>
>http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=40
>> Citric acid:
>>
>http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=15
>>
>
>Thanks for the "heads up"
>- but what an odd collection of chemicals, and weird performance of their
>search engine. I entered "Benzene" and was offered "Sulphur powder". In
>some places they appear to offer ethyl alcohol (i.e. pure) but the bottle
>label includes the "Denatured" label.
And 99.9% pure iodine for 8 quid, 99.8% for 80 quid (round numbers ,,,)
--
geoff
Steven Briggs
<t...@dionic.net> writes
somewhere on the associated emails/paperwork/billing KN03 name popped up
as well. Wouldn't mind some mag ribbon to play with.
No strange cars though, although if I mention "Menwith Hill" in the same
post, I may never be seen again.
(MH being about 10 miles from here <;-)
--
steve
Tim S
> In message <4453ce0a$0$650$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk>, Tim S
> <t...@dionic.net> writes
<snip>
>>Has anyone actually bought anything from them?
>>
>>And did you notice a car you've never seen before parked over the road for
>>3 weeks afterwards, with a bloke reading the newspaper?
>>
>>Weird.
>>
>>Tim
> Yep. Bought some Potassium Nitrate from the Chemical shop. ISTR
> somewhere on the associated emails/paperwork/billing KN03 name popped up
> as well. Wouldn't mind some mag ribbon to play with.
>
> No strange cars though, although if I mention "Menwith Hill" in the same
> post, I may never be seen again.
> (MH being about 10 miles from here <;-)
>
OK - so they are bona-fide - or you are a spook ;-)
Hopefully you're not a spook because I could do with some glacial acetic
acid. Pity they don't do formic acid, I've found that to be an excellent
surface de-scaler, very good on baths and taps - works more vigorously
cold, like acetic acid does when heated. Might get some chloroform too - an
excellent solvent. I used to keep carbon tet for occasional use but that's
hard to get these days...
At least they stopped short of selling sodium metal.
Right, this thread should get Echelon going. Especially now I've gone and
said "Echelon". Hello guys :)
Cheers
Tim
Tim Lamb
Stewart <malcolm...@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>- but what an odd collection of chemicals, and weird performance of their
>search engine. I entered "Benzene" and was offered "Sulphur powder". In
>some places they appear to offer ethyl alcohol (i.e. pure) but the bottle
>label includes the "Denatured" label.
Do you actually want Benzene?
I acquired some in a job lot of paints and have no use for it. Might be
a couple of litres.
regards
--
Tim Lamb
d...@gglz.com
http://www.theradioisotopeshop.com/
and I hear there's a new manufacturer in Iran.
Malcolm Stewart
news:6OPpPDFb...@marford.demon.co.uk...
Thanks for the offer, but no.
I've kept a small quantity of benzene from years ago, before I knew it was
so bad for my heart, lungs etc. It makes a first rate solvent for whatever
adhesive was used to stick the Marley tiles down in my kitchen. When I
moved in there was black (bitumastic?) adhesive on all the skirting boards,
and the benzene shifted it quickly without damaging the gloss finish.
Anyone here made chromyl chloride? In a garden shed? Nasty stuff...
raden
--
geoff
raden
<t...@dionic.net> writes
>>
>
>OK - so they are bona-fide - or you are a spook ;-)
>
>Hopefully you're not a spook because I could do with some glacial acetic
>acid. Pity they don't do formic acid, I've found that to be an excellent
>surface de-scaler, very good on baths and taps - works more vigorously
>cold, like acetic acid does when heated. Might get some chloroform too - an
>excellent solvent. I used to keep carbon tet for occasional use but that's
>hard to get these days...
>
>At least they stopped short of selling sodium metal.
>
>Right, this thread should get Echelon going. Especially now I've gone and
>said "Echelon". Hello guys :)
>
there you go, that'll help
--
geoff
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
<den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> saying something like:
A most unpleasant way to go, anyway. I fail to see the appeal of
Paracetamol self-poisoning, when there are so many other reliable ways
of doing it.
The main problem with Para poisoning is that it gives the moaning
whingers the opportunity to bend your ear about how they've changed
their mind about it... too late then, of course.
No, if they're going to do it, they should pick a quick clean method.
--
Dave
john2
> In article <e2v7ad$d4v$2...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, john2
> <jo...@hudson8889.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
>>d...@gglz.com wrote:
>>
>>>Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>>>within the last 2 months.
>>>
>>>For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>>>well.
>>>
>>
>>warning label. It's strong enough to strip chrome plating off plastic
>>waste fittings.
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes doesn't it just. Little 'un here recently decided to swallow a small
> 10 mm diameter chrome plated ball bearing just for the fun of it
> apparently. Three odd days later nature had taken its course and almost
> all the chrome plate had gone:)
>
> Strong stuff that old stomach acid, perhaps you could have a dodgy curry
> and pump the results back up and use that;-))....
The poor little mite might be suffering from chromium poisoning now. I
hope it was a thin coat of plating.
john2
john2
you forgot to mention anthrax
Dave Plowman (News)
dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> > (Sadly, suicides by paracetamol have gone down markedly since
> > Tony's ban.)
> It can't be Tony's ban as the 32 tabs they will sell you is well above
> what is needed to kill anyone.
And just about every shop and garage sells it so you just visit a few...
--
*I'm really easy to get along with once people learn to worship me
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
tony sayer
<jo...@hudson8889.fsnet.co.uk> writes
She seems fine, problem is she's a bit of a geek like her dad who was
always experimenting with things when he was a kid, not that he's
changed much over the years.
Still its pride of place in her rack full of old rocks and fossils;!....
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
Curmudgeon <grimlycurmud...@hotmail.com> writes
For many people its not as simple as that, for many it just gets them
the medical attention they need...
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
There was a shop in Cambridge like that once down Rose Crescent, bu**ered if I
can remember the name now. Couple of old time chemists in there who never
raised and eyebrow no matter what you asked for and how much of it you wanted.
Presume they thought that if you asked for it you know what it was and what it
could do etc.
And just as well the people on the bus home didn't know what was being carried
next to them!.....
--
Tony Sayer
Lobster
> ISTR buying a roll of magnesium ribbon for half a crown when I was a kid
Yeah, me too. What 'legit' purpose did chemists sell it for, I wonder?
I remember buying all sorts of stuff from the chemist to supplement my
'Acme' chemistry set; chemicals that nowadays which they wouldn't sell
to an adult let alone a 10-year-old pyromaniac (without so much as a a
flicker of an eyebrow).
Remember buying stuff like copper sulphate and cobalt chloride, to grow
wonderful collections of crystals of all different shapes and sizes?
And remember 'chemical gardens' made using waterglass solutions? Well,
my youngest has just been given a 'crystal-growing set' which just
contains a single chemical (aluminium potassium sulphate - a food
additive, for Christ's sake) and some pots of food colouring.
David
Lobster
But paracetamol OD-ers are invariably making a 'cry for help', they
don't really want to top themselves at all - like a teenage girl with a
broken romance. What the ban has done is reduce the overall
availability of the drug, so that for example when the dumped teenager
goes to the medicine cabinet on impulse, all she finds is a half-empty
blister pack of tablets rather than a bottle of 500.
David
Helen Deborah Vecht
> Anyhow, I buy paracetamol in the 'States, too. In drums of 1000 from
> the supermarket.
Can you really use them all within 5 years or so of their expiry date?
--
Helen D. Vecht: helen...@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.
Andrew Gabriel
Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Remember buying stuff like copper sulphate and cobalt chloride, to grow
> wonderful collections of crystals of all different shapes and sizes?
> And remember 'chemical gardens' made using waterglass solutions? Well,
> my youngest has just been given a 'crystal-growing set' which just
> contains a single chemical (aluminium potassium sulphate - a food
> additive, for Christ's sake) and some pots of food colouring.
As someone who hasn't been into a school chemistry lesson
for 25 years, what happens in chemistry lessons nowadays?
Or do they even exist anymore?
--
Andrew Gabriel
Andrew Gabriel
Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid>typed
>
>> Anyhow, I buy paracetamol in the 'States, too. In drums of 1000 from
>> the supermarket.
>
> Can you really use them all within 5 years or so of their expiry date?
I've still got some bottles of Asprin I bought just before
those were banned. They still work fine, although long past
their use-by dates. Unfortunately, soluble asprin has never
existed in the US -- I did try that route, in case I ever
ran out or they went off. The US have a very wide selection
of asprin in supermarkets and pharmacies, but none is the
soluble type we have here.
--
Andrew Gabriel
Derek ^
Gabriel) wrote:
>
>I've still got some bottles of Asprin I bought just before
>those were banned. They still work fine, although long past
>their use-by dates. Unfortunately, soluble asprin has never
>existed in the US -- I did try that route, in case I ever
>ran out or they went off. The US have a very wide selection
>of asprin in supermarkets and pharmacies, but none is the
>soluble type we have here.
I bought 2 bottles of 500 aspirins in Walgreens for USD 3.00 (Buy 1
get 1 free !)
As for use by dates they're a joke, I still laugh at the 50,000,000
year old spring water from some extinct volcano somewhere.
"Best before Dec. 2007"
DG
meow...@care2.com
> Hopefully you're not a spook because I could do with some glacial acetic
> acid.
can you not get it from the local chemist? A chat with the chemist and
a good reason for it often solves the problem, especially if they've
talked with you at times before.
> Pity they don't do formic acid, I've found that to be an excellent
> surface de-scaler, very good on baths and taps - works more vigorously
> cold, like acetic acid does when heated.
not heard of that lil trick. is it unobtanium?
> Might get some chloroform too - an
> excellent solvent. I used to keep carbon tet for occasional use but that's
> hard to get these days...
chloroform is a dangerous solvent that should not be stocked or used by
any ukdiy reader unless they properly understand its dangers. Some may
but many wont. If lots of readers go out and buy it there would
probably be deaths. Personally I would never use it as a solvent, it is
much too toxic, and best confined to closed system processes.
Carbon tet is far more sensible, still quite toxic but not as bad as
chloroform. 1,1,1 trichloroethane is much more sensible.
There are occasionally cleaning jobs that are simply not worth doing,
as the price is too high. Liver and brain are more important than a bit
of dirt.
NT
meow...@care2.com
> Remember buying stuff like copper sulphate and cobalt chloride, to grow
> wonderful collections of crystals of all different shapes and sizes?
> And remember 'chemical gardens' made using waterglass solutions? Well,
> my youngest has just been given a 'crystal-growing set' which just
> contains a single chemical (aluminium potassium sulphate - a food
> additive, for Christ's sake) and some pots of food colouring.
>
> David
well, s/he could always be daring and add a 2nd crystalline chemical,
table salt.
NT
meow...@care2.com
> > Tony's ban.)
but have suicides by other means gone up by an equal amount? I dont
really believe one can stop suiciders doing it if they mean to.
> It can't be Tony's ban as the 32 tabs they will sell you is well above what
> is needed to kill anyone.
Some places still sell several times that in one go. Thankfully, as I
found out when in a whole lot of pain. Difficulty getting pain relief
was one more thing that made me swear not to vote labour.
NT
meow...@care2.com
aspirin should work forever, the only issue with it is dampness turns
the aspirin into salicylic acid. This is just as effective as aspirin,
but gives a much higher incidence of stomach bleeding. Add some silly
gel and you can keep it forever.
Freezing: if reaction times halve for every 10C drop, storing it at -18
instead of +21 should give 15x the lifetime. And expiry dates arent
especially meaningful in practice.
NT
Andrew Gabriel
Derek ^ <use...@miniac.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> I bought 2 bottles of 500 aspirins in Walgreens for USD 3.00 (Buy 1
> get 1 free !)
I presume they aren't soluble?
> As for use by dates they're a joke, I still laugh at the 50,000,000
> year old spring water from some extinct volcano somewhere.
>
> "Best before Dec. 2007"
Or even "Tesco's Luxury Christmas Pate"
Best before 23rd Dec. (Radio 4 News Quiz)
--
Andrew Gabriel
Derek ^
>chloroform is a dangerous solvent that should not be stocked or used by
>any ukdiy reader unless they properly understand its dangers. Some may
>but many wont. If lots of readers go out and buy it there would
>probably be deaths. Personally I would never use it as a solvent, it is
>much too toxic, and best confined to closed system processes.
>
>Carbon tet is far more sensible, still quite toxic but not as bad as
>chloroform. 1,1,1 trichloroethane is much more sensible.
>
And that was banned IIRC by the Montreal Convention because of the
damage it does to the Ozone layer.
>There are occasionally cleaning jobs that are simply not worth doing,
>as the price is too high. Liver and brain are more important than a bit
>of dirt.
>
DG
Helen Deborah Vecht
> Tim S wrote:
> > Hopefully you're not a spook because I could do with some glacial acetic
> > acid.
> can you not get it from the local chemist? A chat with the chemist and
> a good reason for it often solves the problem, especially if they've
> talked with you at times before.
> > Pity they don't do formic acid, I've found that to be an excellent
> > surface de-scaler, very good on baths and taps - works more vigorously
> > cold, like acetic acid does when heated.
> not heard of that lil trick. is it unobtanium?
Sold as 'Attaka' at Boots...
Guy King
from and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) contains these words:
> Or even "Tesco's Luxury Christmas Pate"
You mean it's got hair on? Wish my pate had hair.
Actually, I'm quite glad it hasn't - I'm too clever for hair.
--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Owain
> Some places still sell several times that in one go. Thankfully, as I
> found out when in a whole lot of pain. Difficulty getting pain relief
> was one more thing that made me swear not to vote labour.
or to go into labour, presumably :-)
Owain
dennis@home
"john2" <jo...@hudson8889.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> you forgot to mention anthrax
>
Polonium super critical initiator shaped charge implosion lithium is an
interesting string of words just don't mention any cities.
dennis@home
"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> For many people its not as simple as that, for many it just gets them
> the medical attention they need...
What?
They needed a liver transplant?
dennis@home
"Derek ^" <use...@miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> As for use by dates they're a joke, I still laugh at the 50,000,000
> year old spring water from some extinct volcano somewhere.
>
> "Best before Dec. 2007"
The use by dates on spring water are needed.
The stuff is, generally, full of bacteria.
Drink tap water its much safer.
dennis@home
<meow...@care2.com> wrote in message
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> Freezing: if reaction times halve for every 10C drop, storing it at -18
> instead of +21 should give 15x the lifetime. And expiry dates arent
> especially meaningful in practice.
That is a big if.
raden
<davidlobs...@hotmail.com> writes
>raden wrote:
>> ISTR buying a roll of magnesium ribbon for half a crown when I was a kid
>
>Yeah, me too. What 'legit' purpose did chemists sell it for, I wonder?
There was no such thing as a legit purpose - ... you wanted it
>
>I remember buying all sorts of stuff from the chemist to supplement my
>'Acme' chemistry set; chemicals that nowadays which they wouldn't sell
>to an adult let alone a 10-year-old pyromaniac (without so much as a a
>flicker of an eyebrow).
>
>Remember buying stuff like copper sulphate and cobalt chloride, to grow
>wonderful collections of crystals of all different shapes and sizes?
>And remember 'chemical gardens' made using waterglass solutions? Well,
>my youngest has just been given a 'crystal-growing set' which just
>contains a single chemical (aluminium potassium sulphate - a food
>additive, for Christ's sake) and some pots of food colouring.
>
>David
>
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geoff
meow...@care2.com
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> > <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> saying something like:
> >>"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:e303dq$a6c$5...@anubis.demon.co.uk...
> >>>(Sadly, suicides by paracetamol have gone down markedly since
> >>>Tony's ban.)
> >>It can't be Tony's ban as the 32 tabs they will sell you is well above what
> >>is needed to kill anyone.
> > A most unpleasant way to go, anyway. I fail to see the appeal of
> > Paracetamol self-poisoning, when there are so many other reliable ways
> > of doing it.
> > The main problem with Para poisoning is that it gives the moaning
> > whingers the opportunity to bend your ear about how they've changed
> > their mind about it... too late then, of course.
> > No, if they're going to do it, they should pick a quick clean method.
> But paracetamol OD-ers are invariably making a 'cry for help', they
> don't really want to top themselves at all - like a teenage girl with a
> broken romance. What the ban has done is reduce the overall
> availability of the drug, so that for example when the dumped teenager
> goes to the medicine cabinet on impulse, all she finds is a half-empty
> blister pack of tablets rather than a bottle of 500.
>
> David
a bit of basic education would genuinely solve the problem. Taking the
drug out of the immediate reach of justa percentage of people plus
causing the rest of us silly hassle isnt the most sensible way to
adress the issue.
NT
Lobster
> Lobster wrote:
>
>>Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>
>>><den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> saying something like:
>>>
>>>>"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:e303dq$a6c$5...@anubis.demon.co.uk...
>
>
>>>>>(Sadly, suicides by paracetamol have gone down markedly since
>>>>>Tony's ban.)
>
>
>>>>It can't be Tony's ban as the 32 tabs they will sell you is well above what
>>>>is needed to kill anyone.
>
>
>>>A most unpleasant way to go, anyway. I fail to see the appeal of
>>>Paracetamol self-poisoning, when there are so many other reliable ways
>>>of doing it.
>>>The main problem with Para poisoning is that it gives the moaning
>>>whingers the opportunity to bend your ear about how they've changed
>>>their mind about it... too late then, of course.
>>>No, if they're going to do it, they should pick a quick clean method.
>
>
>>But paracetamol OD-ers are invariably making a 'cry for help', they
>>don't really want to top themselves at all - like a teenage girl with a
>>broken romance. What the ban has done is reduce the overall
>>availability of the drug, so that for example when the dumped teenager
>>goes to the medicine cabinet on impulse, all she finds is a half-empty
>>blister pack of tablets rather than a bottle of 500.
>
What did you have in mind?
David
Chips
> However if you wan the real stuff,
> HCl:
> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=40
> Citric acid:
> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=15
>
No VAT number though, which is odd:
http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=WEBPAGE&page=2
And they're based at Grangemouth, which is very odd ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grangemouth
Chips.
--
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Chips'll make it better.
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Chips
> d...@gglz.com wrote:
>
>> However if you wan the real stuff,
>> HCl:
>> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=40
>>
>> Citric acid:
>> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=15
>>
>>
>
> No VAT number though, which is odd:
> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=WEBPAGE&page=2
>
> And they're based at Grangemouth, which is very odd ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grangemouth
... and according to Companys House, they only incorporated on
23/02/2006, which explains the ropey website.
Keith D
"Richard Faulkner" <ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kcaAYeF$MsUE...@estate.demon.co.uk...
>I need a small amount of HCl to dissolve calcium carbonate which has built
>up in a marine toilet.
>
> I'm guessing that it is no longer freely available.... Any ideas where I
> can get some? A couple of litres will probably do the trick.
>
> (Once it's gone, I'll use white vinegar to prevent it returning).
>
> --
> Richard Faulkner
Ian White
>In message <1146291637.4...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>"d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com> writes
>>Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>>within the last 2 months.
>>
>>For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>>well.
>>
>
>This is quarter inch of solid scale.
>
If the scale is so thick, you will get better results by removing the
bulk of it mechanically first, leaving much less material for the acid
to dissolve.
Bleach everything first to make the job less unsanitary, though this
won't remove any scale. Then use various pointed instruments,
screwdrivers etc to lever off most of the scale in the largest possible
chunks. With a stubby screwdriver or a short awl, you can also get at
the deposits around the bend, which may be even thicker than those in
the bowl.
Obviously don't hit or stab at it with anything - imagine yourself doing
dental hygiene work, only on a larger scale (er, sorry).
Stop when you've got as many large chunks off as possible, but don't
bother to scrape the surfaces clean. Scoop or flush the loose pieces
away, and then switch to an acid descaler.
And don't let it happen again.
--
Ian White
dennis@home
"Ian White" <I...@ifwtech.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d03wBajD...@ifwtech.co.uk...
> If the scale is so thick, you will get better results by removing the bulk
> of it mechanically first, leaving much less material for the acid to
> dissolve.
>
> Bleach everything first to make the job less unsanitary, though this won't
> remove any scale. Then use various pointed instruments, screwdrivers etc
> to lever off most of the scale in the largest possible chunks. With a
> stubby screwdriver or a short awl, you can also get at the deposits around
> the bend, which may be even thicker than those in the bowl.
I think I would fit a new loo rather than doing that.
Ian White
Maybe you didn't imagine enough chlorine bleach, before you started
imagining the rest of it :-)
--
Ian White
dennis@home
>>I think I would fit a new loo rather than doing that.
>>
>
> Maybe you didn't imagine enough chlorine bleach, before you started
> imagining the rest of it :-)
I can imagine what happens if you don't get rid of the bleach before you use
the acid.
meow...@care2.com
re 1/4" of scale on bog:
> have you considered citric acid (powder form)?
that should work, if applied concentrated, and boiled for a year or 2.
Actually it wouldnt, as you need an acid thats tough enough to eat the
organic matter as well as the scale.
NT
Helen Deborah Vecht
Harpic + Domestos => Chlorine cough splutter gasp, if I recall my
schoolgirl chemistry correctly.
EricP
Oh yes, and lots of foam and other fun!
raden
Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
discovering the process
--
geoff
Peter Scott
> As someone who hasn't been into a school chemistry lesson
> for 25 years, what happens in chemistry lessons nowadays?
> Or do they even exist anymore?
>
School science is mostly just book work now. All the fun experiments are
either banned or miniaturised to boredom.
Try reading Oliver Sacks book Uncle Tungsten. It describes a lad who came
from a chemist (not pharmacist) family. He describes the experiments he
tried in the 1930's. Great fun to read. He could buy anything he wanted (no
plutonium then of course)
Peter Scott
Lobster
> In message <445373eb$0$653$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk>, Tim S
> <t...@dionic.net> writes
>
>> d...@gglz.com wrote:
>>
>>> Tim S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow:
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.thechemicalshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=19
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah - cool shop isn't it? That, or it's a front for
>>> http://www.soca.gov.uk/
>>
>>
>> Heh - maybe.
>>
>> I'll take the ammonia and the iodine.
>>
> Ammonia 880 - got some upstairs
>
> have to go out and buy some iodine
>
> Ammonia tri-iodide, excellent stuff
Yes indeed. Cue link to my own ammonium tri-iodide exploding lavvy
story - arguably the best day of my school career - which I posted here
a few years ago, reproduced for the benefit of newbies:
http://tinyurl.com/ed3tf (or
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/722b267bcc5ce012?hl=en&>)
David
Tim S
>
>> As someone who hasn't been into a school chemistry lesson
>> for 25 years, what happens in chemistry lessons nowadays?
>> Or do they even exist anymore?
>>
>
> School science is mostly just book work now. All the fun experiments are
> either banned or miniaturised to boredom.
>
Wot, no thermite? Or silver nitrate+magnesium powder (or was it iron).
Or potassium permanganate and glycerine. Lumps or potassium metal?
How boring.
Does it stop the terrorists?
No.
> Try reading Oliver Sacks book Uncle Tungsten. It describes a lad who came
> from a chemist (not pharmacist) family. He describes the experiments he
> tried in the 1930's. Great fun to read. He could buy anything he wanted
> (no plutonium then of course)
Yeah.
My idea world would be 1930 + internet. Hell, no, I'd give up the internet
for some serious fun. Just think: no EU, sod all building regs, no namby
pamby H&S.
Then again I'd be b***ered by 1945 :(
Tim
Ian White
You're forgetting the part that comes between the bleach and the acid: a
happy half-hour kneeling in front of the loo, chipping out the
limescale.
If you can get through all that while the loo is still full of chlorine
bleach, then by all means go ahead and add the acid. You will have
earned history's cleanest Darwin Award.
--
Ian White
tony sayer
<t...@dionic.net> writes
>Peter Scott wrote:
>
>>
>>> As someone who hasn't been into a school chemistry lesson
>>> for 25 years, what happens in chemistry lessons nowadays?
>>> Or do they even exist anymore?
>>>
>>
>> School science is mostly just book work now. All the fun experiments are
>> either banned or miniaturised to boredom.
>>
>
>Wot, no thermite? Or silver nitrate+magnesium powder (or was it iron).
>Or potassium permanganate and glycerine. Lumps or potassium metal?
>
>How boring.
>
>Does it stop the terrorists?
Its all down to the KKK....
Kompensation Klaims Kulture.......
--
Tony Sayer
Owain
>>Try reading Oliver Sacks book Uncle Tungsten. It describes a lad who came
>>from a chemist (not pharmacist) family. He describes the experiments he
>>tried in the 1930's. Great fun to read. He could buy anything he wanted
>>(no plutonium then of course)
> for some serious fun.
Maybe 1950s or 1960s. More money about.
> Just think: no EU, sod all building regs, no namby
> pamby H&S.
> Then again I'd be b***ered by 1945 :(
Probably by 1939 if you joined the navy...
Owain
Guy King
from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> Harpic + Domestos => Chlorine cough splutter gasp, if I recall my
> schoolgirl chemistry correctly.
That happened in Hyde Park some years ago when I was hanging about with
some bods from the St John's Ambulance. The first person to pull the
French student out of the bogs had to perform a tracheotomy on her. Bit
of a bummer to go for a weekend in London, get gassed and have your
throat (carefully) cut. Saved her life though.
--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
DJC
> My idea world would be 1930 + internet. Hell, no, I'd give up the internet
> for some serious fun. Just think: no EU, sod all building regs, no namby
> pamby H&S.
Yes. There never was golden age for education. But the mid C20, from
30s to 50s, is probably as close as it gets; the education acts of 1904
had made education to university level a possibility for the genuinely
gifted and motivated, after 1945 educational reforms widened opportunity
at the cost of diluting the value.
--
David Clark
<http://www.publishing.ucl.ac.uk>
$replyto = 'an.rnser.is.reqird'
The Natural Philosopher
> In message <1146291637.4...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com> writes
>> Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>> within the last 2 months.
>>
>> For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>> well.
>>
>
> This is quarter inch of solid scale.
>
That will chip off largely.
Richard Faulkner
Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
It wouldnt chip off without damaging the plastic pump pipe.
However, I've soaked it in Mr Muscle 100% Limescale Remover, and it's
dissolved it enough to scrape it all off.
Thank to all for the help!
--
Richard Faulkner
Chris Bacon
> [ snip "paracetamol overdose results in max. purchase of tablets]
> a bit of basic education would genuinely solve the problem.
IRTA "A blister pack of education".
> Taking the
> drug out of the immediate reach of justa percentage of people plus
> causing the rest of us silly hassle isnt the most sensible way to
> adress the issue.
You must use a *lot* of paracetamol.
The Natural Philosopher
> In message <114652655...@doris.uk.clara.net>, The Natural
> Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>> In message <1146291637.4...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com> writes
>>>> Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>>>> within the last 2 months.
>>>>
>>>> For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>> This is quarter inch of solid scale.
>>>
>>
>> That will chip off largely.
>
> It wouldnt chip off without damaging the plastic pump pipe.
>
> However, I've soaked it in Mr Muscle 100% Limescale Remover, and it's
> dissolved it enough to scrape it all off.
>
> Thank to all for the help!
>
The proprietary descalers seem to soften limescale as well as dissolve it.
Not sure why...
Dave Plowman (News)
DJC <anrnsris...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes. There never was golden age for education. But the mid C20, from
> 30s to 50s, is probably as close as it gets; the education acts of 1904
> had made education to university level a possibility for the genuinely
> gifted and motivated, after 1945 educational reforms widened opportunity
> at the cost of diluting the value.
My father was born in 1905 to poor working class parents and at the age
of 11 or so won a bursary to Robert Gordon's College in Aberdeen. Despite
passing all exams and coming near top in most, there was no funding
available for him to go to university, so he had to leave and take up an
apprenticeship in the shipyards.
Seems to me further education should be available to all those who could
make use of it. Although not just in meja studies...
--
*Husbands should come with instructions
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Richard Faulkner
>Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> In message <114652655...@doris.uk.clara.net>, The Natural
>>Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>>> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>>> In message <1146291637.4...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>"d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com> writes
>>>>> Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>>>>> within the last 2 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>> This is quarter inch of solid scale.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That will chip off largely.
>> It wouldnt chip off without damaging the plastic pump pipe.
>> However, I've soaked it in Mr Muscle 100% Limescale Remover, and
>>it's dissolved it enough to scrape it all off.
>> Thank to all for the help!
>>
>That is sort of what I meant.
>
Sorry <g>
>The proprietary descalers seem to soften limescale as well as dissolve it.
>Not sure why...
That's what seemed to happen.
Thanks again
--
Richard Faulkner
Rob Morley
The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote:
<snip>
> The proprietary descalers seem to soften limescale as well as dissolve it.
> Not sure why...
>
Chris Bacon
> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> dom@ writes
>>> Available at some hardware stores as "spirit of salts". Bought some
>>> within the last 2 months.
>>> For plain old toilet descaling though, Harpic limescale remover works
>>> well.
>>>
>> This is quarter inch of solid scale.
>>
> That will chip off largely.
Luckily hydrochloric acid will also remove traces of metal where
scrapers have been used.
John Stumbles
> ... Pity they don't do formic acid, I've found that to be an excellent
> surface de-scaler
Kilrock from (good) hardware stores, maybe plumbers' merchants too. Sold
as kettle decaler in little bottles (200ml-ish), also gallon or so for
£20. It's actually "inhibited" formic acid, whatever that means.
Tim S
I'll look out for that.
Thanks John
raden
<john.s...@ntlworld.com> writes
--
geoff