light fitting rose with hooks
sweetheart
I have another little problem. Does anyone know where ( or if) you can still
buy ceiling roses ( light fitting which takes bulb) for an old fashioned
bowl type chandelier/uplighter on three chains which were popular from
late Victorian times until about 1950's?
My aunt had two of these in her house attached to a rose fitting with three
hooks around it I would like to have her chandelier/uplighter ( its a large
pretty glass marble effect bowl thing suspended from three chains) for my
dining room but I dont know where to get a light rose from. I have looked on
the internet but no one seems to have anything like it. I am told you could
get them back when.
If not, is there any other way I can get a light fitting to attach this
shade to without taking my aunts off her ceiling ( must have been there for
over 50 years)? I have one of those modern repro rubbish dust catching
five bulb things at the moment which I hate and its useless because it
constantly seems to overlaod and one or other lights fails.) but nothing
available on the new market turns me on anyway.
Thanks.
sweetheart
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Sorry, further to this I think I may have found a fitting ( nasty brass
thing, I had wanted white but beggers etc.....) on Amazon which would hang
the bowl according to the review but it doesnt have a cable through the
middle ( with the end that goes to a light fitting or the end that fits to
the wires in the ceiling if you see what I mean) so what would I ( or rather
Oh) have toi do to make this light fitting take a lamp? Can you buy just
cable to stick through the central hole and a fitting for the end to take a
standard bulb?
Andrew Gabriel
"sweetheart" <sw...@hotmail.co.uk> writes:
> Thank you for the help with my broken cabinet. I fixed it.
>
> I have another little problem. Does anyone know where ( or if) you can still
> buy ceiling roses ( light fitting which takes bulb) for an old fashioned
> bowl type chandelier/uplighter on three chains which were popular from
> late Victorian times until about 1950's?
>
> My aunt had two of these in her house attached to a rose fitting with three
> hooks around it I would like to have her chandelier/uplighter ( its a large
> pretty glass marble effect bowl thing suspended from three chains) for my
> dining room but I dont know where to get a light rose from. I have looked on
> the internet but no one seems to have anything like it. I am told you could
> get them back when.
Chrishtopher Wray used to do this sort of thing.
Make sure you're sitting down when they tell you the price though.
> If not, is there any other way I can get a light fitting to attach this
> shade to without taking my aunts off her ceiling ( must have been there for
> over 50 years)?
Well, you should keep it with the shade it goes with - you reduce the
authenticity and value of the shade by separating them.
Another option - are the chains long enough that you could hang the
shade from a single hook ceiling rose?
> I have one of those modern repro rubbish dust catching
> five bulb things at the moment which I hate and its useless because it
> constantly seems to overlaod and one or other lights fails.) but nothing
> available on the new market turns me on anyway.
A five-lamp fitting will require lamp replacements 5 times as often
as a one-lamp fitting.
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Andy Burns
> Does anyone know where ( or if) you can
> still buy ceiling roses ( light fitting which takes bulb) for an old
> fashioned bowl type chandelier/uplighter on three chains
Mike Clarke
> I have another little problem. Does anyone know where ( or if) you can
> still buy ceiling roses ( light fitting which takes bulb) for an old
> fashioned bowl type chandelier/uplighter on three chains which were
> popular from late Victorian times until about 1950's?
If you can manage to squeeze all 3 chains onto one central hook you
could try a Maestro Ceiling Master Plug-in rose from TLC
<http://preview.tinyurl.com>/6y5v44b>
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Mike Clarke
ARWadsworth
Did your Aunt say you could have all this stuff?
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Adam
sweetheart
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harry
The hooks were not screwed into the cieling rose, but to the circular
wooden pattress that used to be screwed to the cieling before the
cieling rose in days of yore.
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Pattress#History
Tabby
I'm wondering why youre taking the bowl but not the rose, then looking
for another rose. If that's already been done, and you cant go back
for the rose, anyone with a welder could fix some hooks onto a round
metal thing for you. The kind used as junction boxes with round metal
conduit might be suitable. It could also be made with 2mm iron wire
without welding, if this is strong enough - and I'd be surprised if it
wasnt.
NT
sweetheart
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On Jun 19, 8:06 am, "sweetheart" <sw...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
<<<<I'm wondering why youre taking the bowl but not the rose, then looking
for another rose. >>>>
I havent taken it yet. I have sold the house and am clearing it out now. I
saw the shade . I have always liked it and thought I would keep it. I
didnt want to remove the rose as well because (a) I have sold the house with
fixings like that left and (b) The thing has been there so long and looks as
if its been painted over too, that I think it may not come off intact.
Hence I was looking for a new fitting. I suspect the buyer of the house
will gut it anyway and strip out all the lights, so taking things like that
shade shouldnt be a problem. I didnt say I would leave the shades. I did
say I would leave the sockets and light fittings.
My OH claims fitting it in my own house is a " pain" because he changed the
fitting here for the one on the top of the pretentious chandelier I have ( I
didnt buy that chandelier, it was given to me and I know they cost) . So I
will need a new fitting anyway whatever I put in my dining room. I just
need to make sure what I ask is possible before I ask OH to do it. He will
tell me all sorts if I dont check it .
Thank you.
<<<<If that's already been done, and you cant go back
for the rose, anyone with a welder could fix some hooks onto a round
metal thing for you. The kind used as junction boxes with round metal
conduit might be suitable. It could also be made with 2mm iron wire
without welding, if this is strong enough - and I'd be surprised if it
wasnt.>>>>>
Thank you for the suggestion.
Dave Liquorice
> I didnt want to remove the rose as well because (a) I have sold the
> house with fixings like that left ...
If the documentation doesn't exactly specify that three hook fixing
take it and replace with a standard pendant light fitting and bulb.
> and (b) The thing has been there so long and looks as if its been
> painted over too, that I think it may not come off intact.
If it is as old as it you make out it won't fall apart easy it will
be brass. Scrap around the joint between ceiling and it, dig out the
screws from their paint covering and undo, pry from ceiling taking
care not to bring down too much with it. B-)
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Cheers
Dave.
harry
wrote:
No. Remove the cieling rose. Probably unscrew cover and remove two
woodscrews. . (Similar to modern ones) There is a circular wooden
pattress beneath it. This has the three hooks screwed into it.
Probably only secured to joist above with a single large wood screw.
This was standard practice years ago.
The hard bit will be unscrewing the cover on the cieling rose due to
layers of paint. It may be all bakelite or metal/ceramic or all
ceramic.
If you break it, it doesn't matter, a modern one will replace it but
doesn't look as good. The pattress is what you need to retrieve as
they are no longer available.
Dave Liquorice
> No. Remove the cieling rose. Probably unscrew cover and remove two
> woodscrews. . (Similar to modern ones) There is a circular wooden
> pattress beneath it. This has the three hooks screwed into it.
> Probably only secured to joist above with a single large wood screw.
> This was standard practice years ago.
I've not seen that sort of thing. What I have seen is a circular
brass casting with three hooks brazed to it. This is then screwed to
the ceiling. The center of the casting has hole through which the
cable passes. No terminals etc up there, except perhaps a porcelain
terminal block stuffed back into the void to join the cable if
required.
An alternative to screws through the casting is for the hole in the
middle to be threaded and this screws onto a short bit of threaded
tube brazed onto a plate which is screwed to the underside of a joist
poking through the lath and plaster ceiling. The cable being thread
through this tube.
This is a fancy
one:
http://www.30-something.co.uk/aged-brass-ceiling-rose-3-way-hook-item-
818
Ah this is what I'm thinking
of:
http://www.bygonelighting.co.uk/solid-brass-3-hook-ceiling-rose-75-p.a
sp
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Cheers
Dave.
harry
wrote:
Heh Heh. We are talking pre-war now. When I was a lad, most houses
had such a set up in their front room only. (It was the only room
with a fancy light fitting). Elsewhere there would be just an ordinary
shade mounted on the lamp holder.
I haven't seen the 3 hook setup for years now.
We used wooden pattresses for all switches and ceiling roses back
then.
I never installed one of the three hook setups but repaired plenty.
sweetheart
>
>
> shade to without taking my aunts off her ceiling ( must have been there
> for over 50 years)? I have one of those modern repro rubbish dust
> catching five bulb things at the moment which I hate and its useless
> because it constantly seems to overlaod and one or other lights fails.)
> but nothing available on the new market turns me on anyway.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
I got the three hook thing off the original fitting but I couldn't take the
old ceiling rose . The three hook fitting is smaller than modern ceiling
roses and so I cannot fit it to the ceiling. I cant get an old fashioned
type rose and pendent.
So, do they still make these? If so where?
The alternative was a three hook ceiling rose for a chandelier. I got one of
these. Its brass ( the other option was chrome). The thing is this comes
without cable and pendent ( BC fitting thinggy) . I bought a cable and
pendent but now hubby tells me that the ceiling rose is illegal because its
brass.
So what the heck am I to do here? You cant tell me that there isn't a
solution surely?
( nothing against anyone here but manufacturers and regulations are
beginning to pee me off chronic! They don't sell what you want. They
just sell trash. When was the last time a fly catcher lampshade electrocuted
anyone or caught fire? . Unlike many a new fitting I could think of).
Andy Burns
> three hook ceiling rose for a chandelier. I got
> one of these. The thing is
> this comes without cable and pendent ( BC fitting thinggy) . I bought a
> cable and pendent but now hubby tells me that the ceiling rose is
> illegal because its brass.
Can't see a problem with it provided it is earthed, you can get brass
switches and sockets ...
sweetheart
"Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
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So what would I need to earth it? I am guessing our old electrical system
( not rewired anytime in my lifetime) is at fault
harry
All metalwork needs to be earthed. There may be an earth wire there
already, certainly will be if the wiring is fairly new. If so, no
problem.
Andy Burns
> "Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Can't see a problem with it provided it is earthed
>
> So what would I need to earth it? I am guessing our old electrical
> system ( not rewired anytime in my lifetime) is at fault
Previously, it was common to use only two core cable for lighting
circuits, without an earth. Depends if you can get access from above
(i.e. within loft or under floorboards) to run an earth wire to the
ceiling rose?
Not sure if it would have to go all the way back to the "fuse box" or if
it would be acceptable to run it e.g. from the back of a nearby 13A
socket - others may advise.
If the wiring is *so* old that it isn't PVC (don't go poking at it to
find out) then it's probably wise to spend some of your inheritance on
getting it rewired ...
sweetheart
Thank you for the information. It isn't a matter of spending money. OH just
wont allow such things to be done. Thats life ( like his obsession with
saving heat and money ).
The current fitting up there is one of those five light candelabra things
with lots of silly plastic "crystals" hanging round it. ( yes it is
pretentious I know and I hate it but it was a freebie and better than the
round dull paper ball thing there before it ( from my predecessor here)
That has a brass fitting but OH says that is earthed. I don't know whether
he means the light fitting is earthed or the connection above. Not being
much of an electrician ( me that is - he could just be looking for excuses
to do b*gger all again)
NT
Help yourself by providing pics of what youre referring to.
NT
sweetheart
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I cant. I dont have the equipment to do that.
sweetheart
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Help yourself by providing pics of what youre referring to.
Dont know if this will work.
Something like this came from my aunts home. It has three chains which this
one hasnt got ( well e bay are rubbish!)
I want it hung on a standard light wiring in my didning room
The thing it wuld normally hang on is a plate with three hooks on it which
sits under a ceiling rose with a pendant on the end. I havent got a picture
of this but it wont work because the new style pendent roses are 80+mm and
my three hook thing is only 60+mm wide. So a no go unless I can find one of
those old much smaller ceiling roses that was back in the 1970's.
So instead I was pointed to this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/9034-triple-hook-Chandelier-Chrome-9034C/dp/B003IKPHCU/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_4
Which could do the job but OH says this is illegal and he cant fit it. I
want to know what he has to do to make this ( plus a bit that comes through
the middle with a pendent light fitting on the end) to work
Thats the best I can do.
Andy Burns
> I want to know what he has to do to make this ( plus a bit that comes
> through the middle with a pendent light fitting on the end) to work
If he says it's illegal full-stop, you need to convince him he's wrong.
If he says it's illegal because there is no earth wire to the light
fitting (which is possible) then he needs to run an earth wire to it, or
find a non-metallic hook thing.
When I looked last time I thought I saw some round wooden roses with
hooks on them, which you could mount an ordinary ceiling rose/pendant
onto ...
http://www.lampsandlights.co.uk/moredetails.php?ref=pt05
Might not look the part though ...
sweetheart
I found a place which sold the old fashioned ceiling rose and lamp holders
( ceramic) together with suspension hooks ( thats what they call those
three hook things) and all attached to a wooden Patrice which conforms to
modern wiring standards.
OH connected it all up. The only thing wrong is I need a 100 watt light
bulb which is decent ( not those rubbish eco things).
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I love "Patrice" - much better than pattress.
Dave Liquorice
> The only thing wrong is I need a 100 watt light bulb which is decent
> (not those rubbish eco things).
Glad you got it sorted.
60W halogen in the same sized/shaped bulb as a GLS may well chuck out
a similar light level to a 100W GLS. It will be a "harsher" light
even if you are used to clear GLS bulbs not perl.
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Cheers
Dave.
Andrew Gabriel
"sweetheart" <hotmail.com> writes:
> Just to let you know I got my lamp shade fitted.
>
> I found a place which sold the old fashioned ceiling rose and lamp holders
> ( ceramic) together with suspension hooks ( thats what they call those
> three hook things) and all attached to a wooden Patrice which conforms to
> modern wiring standards.
>
> OH connected it all up. The only thing wrong is I need a 100 watt light
> bulb which is decent ( not those rubbish eco things).
The 23W Feit CFLs sold by Costco are a genuine 100W replacement.
I'm finding they're giving long life, and don't object to running
hot in enclosed fittings, and don't show any significant drop in
light output. (They do 60W equivalent replacements too.)
If you are looking around at other makes, you will typically need
something like 23-25W CFL to replace 100W lamp. Ignore the
equivalences printed on the packs, and use a 1:4 ratio.
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