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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 4, 2018, 8:21:18 AM10/4/18
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Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
all of 30 seconds, or less.
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alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
all of 30 seconds, or less.
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Chris French
Oct 4, 2018, 8:43:10 AM10/4/18
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> Wrote in message:
It's listed under rule 243 as a Do Not, rather than under rule 240
which lists places you must not stop or park.
Though I guess it could count as a general 'obstuction' type thing?
However what is the basis for the fixed penalty notice? Might
there be local byelaws or something?
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> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
It's not a specific offence it would seem from the highway code.
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
It's listed under rule 243 as a Do Not, rather than under rule 240
which lists places you must not stop or park.
Though I guess it could count as a general 'obstuction' type thing?
However what is the basis for the fixed penalty notice? Might
there be local byelaws or something?
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Andy Burns
Oct 4, 2018, 8:44:28 AM10/4/18
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
8 seconds is too long ...
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
<https://metro.co.uk/2016/04/19/driver-fined-after-spy-car-catches-him-stopping-at-bus-stop-for-eight-seconds-5826110/>
Robin
Oct 4, 2018, 8:56:24 AM10/4/18
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On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
In London, where the stop is designated in the usual way, then yes.
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
Such stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the
generality covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways".
Cars cannot lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a
passenger. That's why the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No
parking" or "No waiting".
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Jim K
Oct 4, 2018, 9:36:42 AM10/4/18
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Robin <r...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:
Ah, more joys of the metropolis ;-)
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Harry Bloomfield
Oct 4, 2018, 9:36:57 AM10/4/18
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Robin explained on 04/10/2018 :
a photo of cars which have ignored the rule.
> In London, where the stop is designated in the usual way, then yes. Such
> stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the generality
> covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways". Cars cannot
> lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a passenger. That's why
> the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No parking" or "No waiting".
>
..and I have known drivers of obstructed buses get off the bus and take
> stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the generality
> covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways". Cars cannot
> lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a passenger. That's why
> the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No parking" or "No waiting".
>
a photo of cars which have ignored the rule.
Jim K
Oct 4, 2018, 9:40:43 AM10/4/18
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For some c#nts it's the only way. Same on school zig zags at
school start & finish times FFS!
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Oct 4, 2018, 9:53:10 AM10/4/18
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are not obstructing the general flow of traffic, only a bus if it happens to
arrive.
I once stopped in a bus stop with no line markings, to post something in a
pillar box that was situated on the pavement in the bus layby. As I was
getting back in, a bus arrived, but the driver just gave me a warning toot
because he could see that I was getting back in the car and ready to set off
as soon as I could. That was common sense, rather than draconian punishment.
The alternative would have been to park in a car park nearby and walk a
fairly long way to the pillar box. Pillar boxes are often sited where there
is no parking - eg on a busy road where stopping would cause an obstruction
rather than just round the corner in a quiet road where that was much less
likely. I was one of the few people who stopped in the side road and walked
round to the box; most other people stopped on the main road and caused an
obstruction.
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> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>> Robin explained on 04/10/2018 :
>>> In London, where the stop is designated in the usual way, then yes. Such
>>> stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the
>>> generality
>>> covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways". Cars cannot
>>> lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a passenger.
>>> That's why
>>> the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No parking" or "No waiting".
Ironic that it is deemed to be worse to stop in a layby bus stop, where you
>> Robin explained on 04/10/2018 :
>>> In London, where the stop is designated in the usual way, then yes. Such
>>> stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the
>>> generality
>>> covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways". Cars cannot
>>> lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a passenger.
>>> That's why
>>> the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No parking" or "No waiting".
are not obstructing the general flow of traffic, only a bus if it happens to
arrive.
I once stopped in a bus stop with no line markings, to post something in a
pillar box that was situated on the pavement in the bus layby. As I was
getting back in, a bus arrived, but the driver just gave me a warning toot
because he could see that I was getting back in the car and ready to set off
as soon as I could. That was common sense, rather than draconian punishment.
The alternative would have been to park in a car park nearby and walk a
fairly long way to the pillar box. Pillar boxes are often sited where there
is no parking - eg on a busy road where stopping would cause an obstruction
rather than just round the corner in a quiet road where that was much less
likely. I was one of the few people who stopped in the side road and walked
round to the box; most other people stopped on the main road and caused an
obstruction.
whisky-dave
Oct 4, 2018, 9:59:01 AM10/4/18
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On Thursday, 4 October 2018 13:21:18 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
If it's not a bus lane and no other notices are about then I'd say you not such a naughty boy.
When I get picked up by driving friends I try to make sure I'm not near a bus stop or zebra crossing as they have said they can't pick me up near those places.
Dan S. MacAbre
Oct 4, 2018, 9:59:30 AM10/4/18
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all over it waiting for their kids to come out. In fact, there's a sort
of race who can get there first. By parking there, they block entry and
exit to a housing estate that has no other way in or out. All this to
save a walk of a hundred yards or so. Mind you, half of them have their
pyjamas on (meaning they must spend all day in them), so they won't want
to venture too far out :-)
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 4, 2018, 10:15:13 AM10/4/18
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NY explained on 04/10/2018 :
obstruction to traffic.
It often happens in our local busy main street. They allow parking
along both sides, it is a squeeze for two opposing cars to get through
and opposing buses plus LGV's have to co-operate to get through.
Sometimes a car driver will park in the no waiting of the bus bays and
chaos ensues - the bus cannot get in, so he has to stop for his
passengers blocking the road completely. Sometimes they get trapped in
the bays, because they are not allowed to reverse on a public road on
their own.
> Pillar boxes are often sited where there is no parking - eg on a busy road
> where stopping would cause an obstruction rather than just round the corner
> in a quiet road where that was much less likely. I was one of the few people
> who stopped in the side road and walked round to the box; most other people
> stopped on the main road and caused an obstruction.
A bus which cannot pull into its bus stop, will be a much bigger
> where stopping would cause an obstruction rather than just round the corner
> in a quiet road where that was much less likely. I was one of the few people
> who stopped in the side road and walked round to the box; most other people
> stopped on the main road and caused an obstruction.
obstruction to traffic.
It often happens in our local busy main street. They allow parking
along both sides, it is a squeeze for two opposing cars to get through
and opposing buses plus LGV's have to co-operate to get through.
Sometimes a car driver will park in the no waiting of the bus bays and
chaos ensues - the bus cannot get in, so he has to stop for his
passengers blocking the road completely. Sometimes they get trapped in
the bays, because they are not allowed to reverse on a public road on
their own.
Brian Gaff
Oct 4, 2018, 10:19:29 AM10/4/18
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Yes, Unfortunately, somebody did this around my way to let a patient off
outside a hospital,and the cameras caught them fixed penalty no excuse.
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outside a hospital,and the cameras caught them fixed penalty no excuse.
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Brian Gaff
Oct 4, 2018, 10:21:17 AM10/4/18
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All along a red route in London the only reason for stopping is breakdown or
ill health I understand.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 4, 2018, 11:51:48 AM10/4/18
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In article <11bdd5b9-100f-4029...@googlegroups.com>,
that time on a Sunday anyway. Plenty have parking bays in them, for when
they're not active.
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whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
Not a bus lane, pet. And perhaps most of those round here ain't active at
> If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
that time on a Sunday anyway. Plenty have parking bays in them, for when
they're not active.
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Oct 4, 2018, 11:51:48 AM10/4/18
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In article <pp551n$vvg$1...@dont-email.me>,
One near here on a multiple bus route where one route stops to change
drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when they
can't get near the stop. ;-)
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drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when they
can't get near the stop. ;-)
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Richard
Oct 4, 2018, 12:53:46 PM10/4/18
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On 04/10/18 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <11bdd5b9-100f-4029...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
>
> Not a bus lane, pet. And perhaps most of those round here ain't active at
> that time on a Sunday anyway. Plenty have parking bays in them, for when
> they're not active.
>
Maybe not a bus lane, but a bus stop.
> In article <11bdd5b9-100f-4029...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
>
> Not a bus lane, pet. And perhaps most of those round here ain't active at
> that time on a Sunday anyway. Plenty have parking bays in them, for when
> they're not active.
>
Plead mental illness on appeal. We'll back you up.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 4, 2018, 1:19:07 PM10/4/18
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Dave Plowman (News) explained :
obstructed or not, until they have committed to it. They have little
choice but to stop with the back end blocking the road completely,
hence they have plenty of time for a photo opportunity.
> One near here on a multiple bus route where one route stops to change
> drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
> traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when they
> can't get near the stop. ;-)
The street is so congested, the drivers cannot see whether the stop is
> drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
> traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when they
> can't get near the stop. ;-)
obstructed or not, until they have committed to it. They have little
choice but to stop with the back end blocking the road completely,
hence they have plenty of time for a photo opportunity.
Steve Walker
Oct 4, 2018, 2:28:53 PM10/4/18
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stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two evils.
SteveW
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 4, 2018, 2:39:10 PM10/4/18
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Steve Walker expressed precisely :
five minutes?
I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
stop or park opposite one.
> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but stopping
> to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not approaching might well
> mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping outside the bus stop, alongside
> parked cars, will. The lesser of two evils.
I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
> to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not approaching might well
> mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping outside the bus stop, alongside
> parked cars, will. The lesser of two evils.
five minutes?
I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
stop or park opposite one.
Jim K
Oct 4, 2018, 3:34:37 PM10/4/18
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Vir Campestris
Oct 4, 2018, 4:30:57 PM10/4/18
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up, with the engine still running, and parking with the car unattended.
However long it takes.
Andy
Robin
Oct 4, 2018, 4:43:23 PM10/4/18
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And there are many bus stops in London where people "stopping to let a
passenger off, or pick one up, with the engine still running" (or
queuing to do so) would delay buses greatly.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 4, 2018, 4:48:36 PM10/4/18
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Vir Campestris expressed precisely :
includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
> A lot of difference between stopping to let a passenger off, or pick one up,
> with the engine still running, and parking with the car unattended.
The signs clearly say 'no stopping, no waiting except buses'. That
> with the engine still running, and parking with the car unattended.
includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
dennis@home
Oct 5, 2018, 4:10:10 AM10/5/18
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On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
It depends on the road markings and what signs you have passed.
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
Around here many roads have double yellow or red lines and a single
yellow or red line at the stop with a plate saying no parking/stopping
except buses.
There may also be loading restrictions, which are there to stop blue
badge holders from parking/stopping.
NY
Oct 5, 2018, 5:09:44 AM10/5/18
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I don't think that many people would quibble with the fact that the rules
are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason". But that is arguing from the
point of view of "that's what the rule says", which entirely misses the
point. Some of us can see a wider issue and are debating "*should* the rule
be implemented so inflexibly".
A more sensible implementation of the rule would say "if there is no bus
wanting to use the stop, who is being inconvenienced?"
Sadly a lot of road laws are absolute, and don't take into account the fact
that sometimes no harm or inconvenience is being caused. I suspect that this
is because local councils would rather that people *did* break the rules so
that they paid a fine to supplement the council's income from council tax
and national government.
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are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason". But that is arguing from the
point of view of "that's what the rule says", which entirely misses the
point. Some of us can see a wider issue and are debating "*should* the rule
be implemented so inflexibly".
A more sensible implementation of the rule would say "if there is no bus
wanting to use the stop, who is being inconvenienced?"
Sadly a lot of road laws are absolute, and don't take into account the fact
that sometimes no harm or inconvenience is being caused. I suspect that this
is because local councils would rather that people *did* break the rules so
that they paid a fine to supplement the council's income from council tax
and national government.
NY
Oct 5, 2018, 5:09:44 AM10/5/18
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> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping outside
>> the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two evils.
>
> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just five
> minutes?
How about "you can stop as long as you like - but must have moved by the
>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping outside
>> the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two evils.
>
> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just five
> minutes?
time a bus wants to use the stop". The would seem to be the least
dog-in-a-manger way of implementing the rule.
I agree that stopping in a bus layby is better for general traffic flow than
stopping so as to impede the flow of traffic, and harms no-one as long as
three isn't a bus wanting to use the stop.
Rod Speed
Oct 5, 2018, 5:40:33 AM10/5/18
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sort of flexible rule. Too hard to prove that a particular car
did in fact become a serious problem for a particular bus
that needed to use that bus stop Much easier to just be able
to fine anyone use uses the bus stop in other than a bus.
Robin
Oct 5, 2018, 5:43:29 AM10/5/18
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On 05/10/2018 10:02, NY wrote:
> How about "you can stop as long as you like - but must have moved by the
> time a bus wants to use the stop". The would seem to be the least
> dog-in-a-manger way of implementing the rule.
Now model that on the assumption that - contrary to your view:
> How about "you can stop as long as you like - but must have moved by the
> time a bus wants to use the stop". The would seem to be the least
> dog-in-a-manger way of implementing the rule.
a. the aim is not to maximise revenue but to keep buses moving and allow
passengers (especially less abled passengers) to get on and off safely
b. councils don't want to spend even more money on enforcement to prove
that the car was there when a bus wants to use the stop (which looks to
me to be fruitful ground for Nick Freeman to plough)
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Oct 5, 2018, 7:00:02 AM10/5/18
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 19:40:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
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>
> I think
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Speed blabbered, again:
>
> I think
Hardly anyone (other than trolls) give a shit what you think, senile troll!
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whisky-dave
Oct 5, 2018, 8:25:43 AM10/5/18
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On Thursday, 4 October 2018 16:51:48 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <11bdd5b9-100f-4029...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
>
> Not a bus lane,
So where did you stop at a bus stop ?
> In article <11bdd5b9-100f-4029...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you've stopped in a bus lane then yes you've been a very naughty boy.
>
> Not a bus lane,
https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/parking/can-you-stop-on-a-bus-stop-in-a-private-/
> pet. And perhaps most of those round here ain't active at
> that time on a Sunday anyway. Plenty have parking bays in them, for when
> they're not active.
whisky-dave
Oct 5, 2018, 8:34:22 AM10/5/18
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On Friday, 5 October 2018 10:09:44 UTC+1, NY wrote:
> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:pp5ub2$aqu$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Vir Campestris expressed precisely :
> >> A lot of difference between stopping to let a passenger off, or pick one
> >> up, with the engine still running, and parking with the car unattended.
> >
> > The signs clearly say 'no stopping, no waiting except buses'. That
> > includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
>
> I don't think that many people would quibble with the fact that the rules
> are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason".
Seems clear enough, unless you have a breakdown or can't move.
> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:pp5ub2$aqu$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Vir Campestris expressed precisely :
> >> A lot of difference between stopping to let a passenger off, or pick one
> >> up, with the engine still running, and parking with the car unattended.
> >
> > The signs clearly say 'no stopping, no waiting except buses'. That
> > includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
>
> I don't think that many people would quibble with the fact that the rules
> are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason".
> But that is arguing from the
> point of view of "that's what the rule says", which entirely misses the
> point. Some of us can see a wider issue and are debating "*should* the rule
> be implemented so inflexibly".
>
> A more sensible implementation of the rule would say "if there is no bus
> wanting to use the stop, who is being inconvenienced?"
>
> Sadly a lot of road laws are absolute,
> and don't take into account the fact
> that sometimes no harm or inconvenience is being caused.
>I suspect that this
> is because local councils would rather that people *did* break the rules so
> that they paid a fine to supplement the council's income from council tax
> and national government.
I'm sure most drivers would like to scrape speed restriction on at least motorways, if not the entire network.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 10:17:13 AM10/5/18
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In article <pp5i29$o1v$1...@dont-email.me>,
so badly only locals are likely to know when they're active or not - so
most just avoid using them at all times.
> They have little
> choice but to stop with the back end blocking the road completely,
> hence they have plenty of time for a photo opportunity.
The odd thing is this particular route meanders through a housing estate
and hospital grounds. Both of which would provide a less disruptive place
for a bus to change drivers.
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Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) explained :
> > One near here on a multiple bus route where one route stops to change
> > drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
> > traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when
> > they can't get near the stop. ;-)
> The street is so congested, the drivers cannot see whether the stop is
> obstructed or not, until they have committed to it.
No - it's in a bus lane. And as most have probably noticed they're marked
> Dave Plowman (News) explained :
> > One near here on a multiple bus route where one route stops to change
> > drivers. Can be stopped there for ages, if the new driver is stuck in
> > traffic, etc. Be good to see a bus in service take a pic of that when
> > they can't get near the stop. ;-)
> The street is so congested, the drivers cannot see whether the stop is
> obstructed or not, until they have committed to it.
so badly only locals are likely to know when they're active or not - so
most just avoid using them at all times.
> They have little
> choice but to stop with the back end blocking the road completely,
> hence they have plenty of time for a photo opportunity.
and hospital grounds. Both of which would provide a less disruptive place
for a bus to change drivers.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 10:27:17 AM10/5/18
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In article <pp5m53$d02$2...@dont-email.me>,
even more money from the motorist. No interest at all in making traffic
flow smoothly.
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Steve Walker <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
> evils.
That was exactly my thinking. But councils want every opportunity to soak
> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
> evils.
even more money from the motorist. No interest at all in making traffic
flow smoothly.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 10:27:17 AM10/5/18
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In article <pp5mob$o1l$1...@dont-email.me>,
> I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
> stop or park opposite one.
Not even, as in this case, when there are parking bays opposite it?
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Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
> > I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
> > stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
> > approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
> > outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
> > evils.
> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
> five minutes?
Would you normally hang around after dropping off a passenger?
> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
> > I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
> > stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
> > approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
> > outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
> > evils.
> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
> five minutes?
> I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
> stop or park opposite one.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 10:27:18 AM10/5/18
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In article <de83c972-71f9-3339...@outlook.com>,
this? I did look and there wasn't one.
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Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> When the law is "no stopping" the difference is irrelevant.
> And there are many bus stops in London where people "stopping to let a
> passenger off, or pick one up, with the engine still running" (or
> queuing to do so) would delay buses greatly.
Wouldn't you see that bus coming in your mirror on a quiet street like
> When the law is "no stopping" the difference is irrelevant.
> And there are many bus stops in London where people "stopping to let a
> passenger off, or pick one up, with the engine still running" (or
> queuing to do so) would delay buses greatly.
this? I did look and there wasn't one.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 10:27:18 AM10/5/18
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In article <7NWdnc9q09fItyrG...@brightview.co.uk>,
I'd say it's nothing to do with traffic flow. All about gaining revenue.
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Andrew
Oct 5, 2018, 10:38:08 AM10/5/18
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On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
If you had driven onto the pavement, and turned on your hazard flashers
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
you might have got away with it :-)
Robin
Oct 5, 2018, 11:16:34 AM10/5/18
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On 05/10/2018 15:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <de83c972-71f9-3339...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> When the law is "no stopping" the difference is irrelevant.
>
>> And there are many bus stops in London where people "stopping to let a
>> passenger off, or pick one up, with the engine still running" (or
>> queuing to do so) would delay buses greatly.
>
> Wouldn't you see that bus coming in your mirror on a quiet street like
> this? I did look and there wasn't one.
>
A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
> In article <de83c972-71f9-3339...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> When the law is "no stopping" the difference is irrelevant.
>
>> And there are many bus stops in London where people "stopping to let a
>> passenger off, or pick one up, with the engine still running" (or
>> queuing to do so) would delay buses greatly.
>
> Wouldn't you see that bus coming in your mirror on a quiet street like
> this? I did look and there wasn't one.
>
stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
for many a year.)
And there's still the issue of enforcement if you argue "no harm = no
offence). What if a bus had come along which didn't stop and wait, just
slowed down in the hope you'd move? Or if stopped but only for a second
or 2? The law usually doesn't bother with trifles; but if a second or 2
is not an offence when does it cease to be a trifle?
So I'd put the "no harm done" argument it in the same box as "let's
scrap fixed speed limits and rely on a general 'going faster than safe
in the conditions' test". Nice in theory. Might even work in some
places in - say - Switzerland or Japan. But not practicable with the
attitudes and skills of British drivers unless there is a veritable army
of traffic police and prosecutors.
Robin
Oct 5, 2018, 11:24:55 AM10/5/18
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On 05/10/2018 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <pp5mob$o1l$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
>>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
>>> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
>>> evils.
>
>> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
>> five minutes?
>
> Would you normally hang around after dropping off a passenger?
>
>> I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
>> stop or park opposite one.
>
> Not even, as in this case, when there are parking bays opposite it?
>
Have they changed the layout of the stops since March? I ask as Google
> In article <pp5mob$o1l$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
>>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
>>> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
>>> evils.
>
>> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
>> five minutes?
>
> Would you normally hang around after dropping off a passenger?
>
>> I make good use of buses and I also drive. I would never stop in a bus
>> stop or park opposite one.
>
> Not even, as in this case, when there are parking bays opposite it?
>
Streetview confirms that at that time the 2 bus stop cages were opposite
one another; neither was opposite a parking bay.
<https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4652888,-0.1712629,3a,75y,88.01h,72.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKABuqcwRJkHNtoBLpusAxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192>
NY
Oct 5, 2018, 11:46:22 AM10/5/18
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"Andrew" <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:pp7t0d$1m2$3...@gioia.aioe.org...
a stuffed effigy of the torso and legs of a man, and putting it under an
illegally parked car with just the feet sticking out onto the pavement. An
old fashioned NHS hearing aid (with a big amplifier/mike box and a cable to
an earpiece) was placed on the ground nearby as if the "driver" had taken it
out while he was working under the car and consequently could not heard the
traffic warden telling him to move on. A tape recording of random bangs and
swearing was placed out of sight under the car. Apparently they managed to
survive the traffic warden returning three times on his "beat", one time
accompanied by a policeman. A conversation was recorded in which they talked
about the poor bloke whose car had broken down and how much difficulty he
was having fixing it.
Eventually when traffic warden and policeman were out of sight, the
perpetrator (who was watching from nearby) bundled everything into the car
and drove off, still without a ticket.
That was back in the days when traffic wardens were human beings and were
less inclined to give you a ticket automatically without considering whether
there were any extenuating circumstances.
news:pp7t0d$1m2$3...@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> If you had driven onto the pavement, and turned on your hazard flashers
> you might have got away with it :-)
The best way of avoiding a parking ticket that I read about involved making
> If you had driven onto the pavement, and turned on your hazard flashers
> you might have got away with it :-)
a stuffed effigy of the torso and legs of a man, and putting it under an
illegally parked car with just the feet sticking out onto the pavement. An
old fashioned NHS hearing aid (with a big amplifier/mike box and a cable to
an earpiece) was placed on the ground nearby as if the "driver" had taken it
out while he was working under the car and consequently could not heard the
traffic warden telling him to move on. A tape recording of random bangs and
swearing was placed out of sight under the car. Apparently they managed to
survive the traffic warden returning three times on his "beat", one time
accompanied by a policeman. A conversation was recorded in which they talked
about the poor bloke whose car had broken down and how much difficulty he
was having fixing it.
Eventually when traffic warden and policeman were out of sight, the
perpetrator (who was watching from nearby) bundled everything into the car
and drove off, still without a ticket.
That was back in the days when traffic wardens were human beings and were
less inclined to give you a ticket automatically without considering whether
there were any extenuating circumstances.
Richard
Oct 5, 2018, 12:42:52 PM10/5/18
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On 05/10/18 15:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <7NWdnc9q09fItyrG...@brightview.co.uk>,
> NY <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:pp5mob$o1l$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
>>>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>>>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>>>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
>>>> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
>>>> evils.
>>>
>>> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
>>> five minutes?
>
>> How about "you can stop as long as you like - but must have moved by the
>> time a bus wants to use the stop". The would seem to be the least
>> dog-in-a-manger way of implementing the rule.
>
>> I agree that stopping in a bus layby is better for general traffic flow
>> than stopping so as to impede the flow of traffic, and harms no-one as
>> long as three isn't a bus wanting to use the stop.
>
> I'd say it's nothing to do with traffic flow. All about gaining revenue.
Aw diddums.
> In article <7NWdnc9q09fItyrG...@brightview.co.uk>,
> NY <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:pp5mob$o1l$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Steve Walker expressed precisely :
>>>> I agree that parking in a bus stop is likely to cause problems, but
>>>> stopping to pick up or drop off a passenger, while a bus is not
>>>> approaching might well mean no hold-up to traffic, while stopping
>>>> outside the bus stop, alongside parked cars, will. The lesser of two
>>>> evils.
>>>
>>> I agree, but where do you draw the line - 30 seconds, 2 minutes, just
>>> five minutes?
>
>> How about "you can stop as long as you like - but must have moved by the
>> time a bus wants to use the stop". The would seem to be the least
>> dog-in-a-manger way of implementing the rule.
>
>> I agree that stopping in a bus layby is better for general traffic flow
>> than stopping so as to impede the flow of traffic, and harms no-one as
>> long as three isn't a bus wanting to use the stop.
>
> I'd say it's nothing to do with traffic flow. All about gaining revenue.
You would say that because you are the one who broke the rule and has to
pay.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 5, 2018, 1:01:30 PM10/5/18
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Dave Plowman (News) was thinking very hard :
and traffic to flow too. We have a rather different situation on some
roads around here, where there are bus stops, but if a car parks
opposite the bus stop, there is only space for bicycles to get through.
The same road I have in mind, suffers a near continuous row of parked
vehicles for 1/3 mile, so just wide enough for a single vehicle
direction at a time, with double decker buses trying to squeeze through
every from each end, every 7.5 minutes, plus lots of other vehicles.
That 1/3 of a mile, has a total of 4 bus stops along it. It regularly
becomes log jammed, with blind car driver leaping into the road, then
suddenly coming face to face with a bus coming the other way and
nowhere to get out of its way. Bus drivers are not permitted to reverse
without supervision on a public road and many car driver don't have a
clue how to reverse any distance, to get out of the way.
> Not even, as in this case, when there are parking bays opposite it?
>
A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
>
and traffic to flow too. We have a rather different situation on some
roads around here, where there are bus stops, but if a car parks
opposite the bus stop, there is only space for bicycles to get through.
The same road I have in mind, suffers a near continuous row of parked
vehicles for 1/3 mile, so just wide enough for a single vehicle
direction at a time, with double decker buses trying to squeeze through
every from each end, every 7.5 minutes, plus lots of other vehicles.
That 1/3 of a mile, has a total of 4 bus stops along it. It regularly
becomes log jammed, with blind car driver leaping into the road, then
suddenly coming face to face with a bus coming the other way and
nowhere to get out of its way. Bus drivers are not permitted to reverse
without supervision on a public road and many car driver don't have a
clue how to reverse any distance, to get out of the way.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 5, 2018, 1:04:04 PM10/5/18
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After serious thinking Richard wrote :
> Aw diddums.
> You would say that because you are the one who broke the rule and has to pay.
+1 - He took the risk, the gamble - now they pay..
> You would say that because you are the one who broke the rule and has to pay.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 5, 2018, 1:09:55 PM10/5/18
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Dave Plowman (News) used his keyboard to write :
across plenty of driver who cannot read the signs, or simply don't
understand them. I always see lots of bus lanes devoid of any vehicles,
outside of their operational hours.
> No - it's in a bus lane. And as most have probably noticed they're marked
> so badly only locals are likely to know when they're active or not - so
> most just avoid using them at all times.
I have never come across a badly signed bus lane, I though though come
> so badly only locals are likely to know when they're active or not - so
> most just avoid using them at all times.
across plenty of driver who cannot read the signs, or simply don't
understand them. I always see lots of bus lanes devoid of any vehicles,
outside of their operational hours.
Fredxx
Oct 5, 2018, 1:18:38 PM10/5/18
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only be expected to see when stationary.[1]
The obvious counter is to stop in the middle of the road and be damned.
[1] The bus stop in question had a camera pointed at it, so to catch
drivers who set down passengers.
Harry Bloomfield
Oct 5, 2018, 1:45:50 PM10/5/18
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Fredxx explained :
camera pointing at it too. I have never heard of anyone being done for
dropping off there or even parking there and obstructing the buses.
> I have seen a small sign saying no stopping at a bus stop that one could only
> be expected to see when stationary.[1]
>
> The obvious counter is to stop in the middle of the road and be damned.
>
> [1] The bus stop in question had a camera pointed at it, so to catch drivers
> who set down passengers.
Probably not - now you mention it, our main st bus stop also has a
> be expected to see when stationary.[1]
>
> The obvious counter is to stop in the middle of the road and be damned.
>
> [1] The bus stop in question had a camera pointed at it, so to catch drivers
> who set down passengers.
camera pointing at it too. I have never heard of anyone being done for
dropping off there or even parking there and obstructing the buses.
Tim Lamb
Oct 5, 2018, 2:45:08 PM10/5/18
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In message <pp85t1$hra$1...@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield
<harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> writes
Could be the issue with the odd parked car and having to pull out into a
traffic filled second lane?
I find London drivers much more generous than they were in my youth.
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traffic filled second lane?
I find London drivers much more generous than they were in my youth.
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Nightjar
Oct 5, 2018, 2:59:17 PM10/5/18
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On 04/10/2018 14:36, Jim K wrote:
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:
>> Such stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the
>> generality covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways".
>> Cars cannot lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a
>> passenger. That's why the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No
>> parking" or "No waiting".
>>
>
> Ah, more joys of the metropolis ;-)
>
The broad yellow no stopping line at bus stops is in general use across
the country.
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> Robin <r...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:
>> On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
>>> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>>>
>>> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
>>> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
>>> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>>>
>>
>> In London, where the stop is designated in the usual way, then yes.
>>> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>>>
>>> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
>>> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
>>> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>>>
>>
>> Such stops - marked with a single, broad yellow line, are not like the
>> generality covered in the Highway Code. They are "bus stop clearways".
>> Cars cannot lawfully stop there, even just to let off or collect a
>> passenger. That's why the signs say "No stopping" rather than "No
>> parking" or "No waiting".
>>
>
> Ah, more joys of the metropolis ;-)
>
The broad yellow no stopping line at bus stops is in general use across
the country.
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Harry Bloomfield
Oct 5, 2018, 3:00:44 PM10/5/18
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Tim Lamb formulated on Friday :
make good use of one in particular, that ran from close to the Leeds
city centre, all the way out to the next centre. It was a well marked
part time lane, 15-30 to 18:00. There was always a congested L2 and
only an occasional bus in L1. So I used L1 all the way and would have a
clear steady run, except when there was a bus at a bus stop. There, I
would simply pull into a gap in L2, to get past it. I would sometimes
even get flashed by those daft enough to queue in L2 with the rest of
the sheep.
Driver see the thick white line, but none bother to read the signs - it
was always thus.
> Could be the issue with the odd parked car and having to pull out into a
> traffic filled second lane?
No, they usually have double yellow lines along them too. I used to
> traffic filled second lane?
make good use of one in particular, that ran from close to the Leeds
city centre, all the way out to the next centre. It was a well marked
part time lane, 15-30 to 18:00. There was always a congested L2 and
only an occasional bus in L1. So I used L1 all the way and would have a
clear steady run, except when there was a bus at a bus stop. There, I
would simply pull into a gap in L2, to get past it. I would sometimes
even get flashed by those daft enough to queue in L2 with the rest of
the sheep.
Driver see the thick white line, but none bother to read the signs - it
was always thus.
Jim K
Oct 5, 2018, 3:00:54 PM10/5/18
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Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Wrote in message:
Presumably excepting these arrogant "do wtf I want where tf
i
want" types?
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Nightjar
Oct 5, 2018, 3:03:53 PM10/5/18
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On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
It depends upon the signs and road markings, but many bus stops have 'no
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
>
stopping' restrictions:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519129/know-your-traffic-signs.pdf
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Steve Walker
Oct 5, 2018, 5:14:33 PM10/5/18
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driving in a bus lane in Nottingham. The driver was asked why he was
driving in the bus lane and he responded that it was out of its
operating hours and that he'd been stopped for not driving in a bus lane
in Manchester the week before. The officer grinned, said that he (the
driver) couldn't win could he and sent us on our way!
SteveW
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 7:50:04 PM10/5/18
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In article <13eb7c9e-940e-1f60...@outlook.com>,
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*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?
Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
> for many a year.)
Perhaps you might read my first post.
> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
> for many a year.)
--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 7:50:04 PM10/5/18
to
In article <pp85d6$eks$1...@dont-email.me>,
bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
--
*The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.
Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
> and traffic to flow too.
Not so. Further along the same road, it is so narrow two buses or even a
> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
> and traffic to flow too.
bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
--
*The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 7:57:32 PM10/5/18
to
In article <izF9aCul...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>,
--
*Always drink upstream from the herd *
Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I find London drivers much more generous than they were in my youth.
They are generally pretty good.
> I find London drivers much more generous than they were in my youth.
--
*Always drink upstream from the herd *
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 5, 2018, 7:57:32 PM10/5/18
to
In article <pp85t1$hra$1...@dont-email.me>,
Mainly because the signs saying when they are in operation are often
extremely difficult to read in moving traffic. And may change the hours on
the same road. I'm willing to bet absolutely no driver could keep up with
all of them on many London streets. So unless already familiar with them,
simply keep out of them at all times.
--
*One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me.
extremely difficult to read in moving traffic. And may change the hours on
the same road. I'm willing to bet absolutely no driver could keep up with
all of them on many London streets. So unless already familiar with them,
simply keep out of them at all times.
--
*One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me.
Richard
Oct 6, 2018, 2:08:36 AM10/6/18
to
On 06/10/18 00:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <13eb7c9e-940e-1f60...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
>> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
>> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
>> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
>> for many a year.)
>
> Perhaps you might read my first post.
He doesn't need to re-read it.
> In article <13eb7c9e-940e-1f60...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
>> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
>> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
>> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
>> for many a year.)
>
> Perhaps you might read my first post.
Pray tell, what part of "breaking the rules incurs a penalty" do you not
comprehend?
Perhaps you'd be better off just paying for your stupidity and keeping
quiet about it.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 5:14:17 AM10/6/18
to
In article <pp9jh1$ppc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
some driving rule or other.
But then being a perfect twat you'll say you never break any of them.
--
*Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques *
some driving rule or other.
But then being a perfect twat you'll say you never break any of them.
--
*Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques *
Richard
Oct 6, 2018, 5:25:41 AM10/6/18
to
On 06/10/18 10:09, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <pp9jh1$ppc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06/10/18 00:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <13eb7c9e-940e-1f60...@outlook.com>,
>>> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
>>>> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
>>>> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
>>>> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
>>>> for many a year.)
>>>
>>> Perhaps you might read my first post.
>
>> He doesn't need to re-read it.
>> Pray tell, what part of "breaking the rules incurs a penalty" do you not
>> comprehend?
>
>> Perhaps you'd be better off just paying for your stupidity and keeping
>> quiet about it.
>
> Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> some driving rule or other.
I'm not stupid enough to always be breaking "some driving rule or
> In article <pp9jh1$ppc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06/10/18 00:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <13eb7c9e-940e-1f60...@outlook.com>,
>>> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>> A bus could easily be over 150m behind a driver and still arrive at the
>>>> stop within 30 seconds. You might have been able to see that far but
>>>> what if you hadn't? (And I can't help but wonder, if it was so quiet,
>>>> why you didn't stop elsewhere given London bus stops have been clearways
>>>> for many a year.)
>>>
>>> Perhaps you might read my first post.
>
>> He doesn't need to re-read it.
>> Pray tell, what part of "breaking the rules incurs a penalty" do you not
>> comprehend?
>
>> Perhaps you'd be better off just paying for your stupidity and keeping
>> quiet about it.
>
> Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> some driving rule or other.
other". You, on the other hand...
>
> But then being a perfect twat you'll say you never break any of them.
>
achieved the state of perfection.
I've broken some and paid the fines, picked up the points. Mine were
moving violations - speeding and crossing double white lines. However, I
am not stupid enough to think that I can stop my *car* at a *bus* stop
without being in the wrong.
Difference between you and me is that I'm not being a whiny little bitch
about it.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 9:46:36 AM10/6/18
to
In article <pp9v2i$1b76$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
Anyone who says they never break any driving regs is a fool or liar. I'm
quite willing to believe you are both.
--
*Wood burns faster when you have to cut and chop it yourself.
Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> > some driving rule or other.
> I'm not stupid enough to always be breaking "some driving rule or
> other".
What you actually mean is you aren't caught doing it.
> > Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> > some driving rule or other.
> I'm not stupid enough to always be breaking "some driving rule or
> other".
Anyone who says they never break any driving regs is a fool or liar. I'm
quite willing to believe you are both.
--
*Wood burns faster when you have to cut and chop it yourself.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 9:46:36 AM10/6/18
to
On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
--
*To err is human. To forgive is against company policy.
blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
--
*To err is human. To forgive is against company policy.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 9:56:40 AM10/6/18
to
> Sorry to burst your bubble again, I'm just a twat.
Good to know we agree about something.
> It is you who has
> achieved the state of perfection.
> I've broken some and paid the fines, picked up the points. Mine were
> moving violations - speeding and crossing double white lines. However, I
> am not stupid enough to think that I can stop my *car* at a *bus* stop
> without being in the wrong.
And speeding too?
And happier to pick up points on your licence rather than an offence which
doesn't incur that.
> Difference between you and me is that I'm not being a whiny little bitch
> about it.
--
*Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines?
Richard
Oct 6, 2018, 10:58:29 AM10/6/18
to
On 06/10/18 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
Stop whining already.
> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
Mark
Oct 6, 2018, 12:04:43 PM10/6/18
to
"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5742763...@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <pp85d6$eks$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
>> and traffic to flow too.
>
> Not so. Further along the same road, it is so narrow two buses or even a
> bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
> opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
> in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
>
> The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
>
can you not still drop off on the ramp up St Johns hill
> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
>> and traffic to flow too.
>
> Not so. Further along the same road, it is so narrow two buses or even a
> bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
> opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
> in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
>
> The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
>
-
Nightjar
Oct 6, 2018, 12:07:08 PM10/6/18
to
On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>
Buses and taxis are exempt from the no stopping restriction, as are the
> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>
emergency services while carrying out their duties.
--
--
Colin Bignell
Robin
Oct 6, 2018, 1:07:11 PM10/6/18
to
On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>
Whether the 3 you saw had stopped legally depends on the cage markings.
> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>
If broad yellow line at kerb then they were legal. If broad red they
were not.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Jim K
Oct 6, 2018, 2:13:42 PM10/6/18
to
Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> Wrote in message:
Never mind the new "bleat" thread ... FFS ...
bert
Oct 6, 2018, 4:48:32 PM10/6/18
to
In article <7NWdnc5q09fItyrG...@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>"Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:pp5ub2$aqu$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Vir Campestris expressed precisely :
>>> A lot of difference between stopping to let a passenger off, or pick
>>>one up, with the engine still running, and parking with the car
>>>unattended.
>>
>> The signs clearly say 'no stopping, no waiting except buses'. That
>>includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
>
>I don't think that many people would quibble with the fact that the
>rules are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason". But that is arguing
>from the point of view of "that's what the rule says", which entirely
>misses the point. Some of us can see a wider issue and are debating
>"*should* the rule be implemented so inflexibly".
>
>A more sensible implementation of the rule would say "if there is no
>bus wanting to use the stop, who is being inconvenienced?"
>
Well we had a similar issue here outside the railway station. Same
attitude. No bus in sight so I'll just pull in and ignore the notices.
So what happened?
Bus came Couldn't pull in so stopped in the road holding up all the
traffic. There was a disabled passenger wanted to get off.
Driver got out of cab walked around the front of the bus. Because he
hadn't been able to pull in to the kerb he had to get out the ramp
stored under the step and locate it in place.
Then he got in and wheeled out the passenger in their wheel chair. He
then had to go around the car and get the wheel chair on to the
pavement. Having got his passenger safely off the bus he then walked
back around the car and stowed the ramp under the step.
Then he got back into the bus climbed into his eat and was then able to
drive off. In the meantime the traffic had queued back onto the
roundabout causing chaos as it is light controlled.
And all because some lazy arrogant twat thought it was OK to ignore the
rules because he couldn't see a bus coming so didn't go and use the free
car park which was just over the road.
>Sadly a lot of road laws are absolute, and don't take into account the
>fact that sometimes no harm or inconvenience is being caused. I suspect
>that this is because local councils would rather that people *did*
>break the rules so that they paid a fine to supplement the council's
>income from council tax and national government.
--
bert
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>"Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:pp5ub2$aqu$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Vir Campestris expressed precisely :
>>> A lot of difference between stopping to let a passenger off, or pick
>>>one up, with the engine still running, and parking with the car
>>>unattended.
>>
>> The signs clearly say 'no stopping, no waiting except buses'. That
>>includes everyone, no exceptional reasons.
>
>I don't think that many people would quibble with the fact that the
>rules are unambiguous "no stopping for any reason". But that is arguing
>from the point of view of "that's what the rule says", which entirely
>misses the point. Some of us can see a wider issue and are debating
>"*should* the rule be implemented so inflexibly".
>
>A more sensible implementation of the rule would say "if there is no
>bus wanting to use the stop, who is being inconvenienced?"
>
Well we had a similar issue here outside the railway station. Same
attitude. No bus in sight so I'll just pull in and ignore the notices.
So what happened?
Bus came Couldn't pull in so stopped in the road holding up all the
traffic. There was a disabled passenger wanted to get off.
Driver got out of cab walked around the front of the bus. Because he
hadn't been able to pull in to the kerb he had to get out the ramp
stored under the step and locate it in place.
Then he got in and wheeled out the passenger in their wheel chair. He
then had to go around the car and get the wheel chair on to the
pavement. Having got his passenger safely off the bus he then walked
back around the car and stowed the ramp under the step.
Then he got back into the bus climbed into his eat and was then able to
drive off. In the meantime the traffic had queued back onto the
roundabout causing chaos as it is light controlled.
And all because some lazy arrogant twat thought it was OK to ignore the
rules because he couldn't see a bus coming so didn't go and use the free
car park which was just over the road.
>Sadly a lot of road laws are absolute, and don't take into account the
>fact that sometimes no harm or inconvenience is being caused. I suspect
>that this is because local councils would rather that people *did*
>break the rules so that they paid a fine to supplement the council's
>income from council tax and national government.
--
bert
Dave W
Oct 6, 2018, 5:57:31 PM10/6/18
to
On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:21:04 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
>alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
>Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
>passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
>all of 30 seconds, or less.
Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
>alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
>Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
>passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
>all of 30 seconds, or less.
Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
Where is this rear entrance?
--
Dave W
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 7:07:49 PM10/6/18
to
In article <cNednSo5ANo5QCXG...@giganews.com>,
Thanks for explaining that. Not quite sure of the morality of allowing a
taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
--
*Where there's a will, I want to be in it.
taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
--
*Where there's a will, I want to be in it.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 7:07:49 PM10/6/18
to
In article <ppamep$e96$1...@dont-email.me>,
As I explained earlier, I dropped off my rather old pal where he would
have the least distance to walk to his platform.
> -
--
*When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded *
have the least distance to walk to his platform.
> -
--
*When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded *
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 6, 2018, 7:07:49 PM10/6/18
to
In article <3obirdt5oin0l3sv4...@4ax.com>,
--
*The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind *
Dave W <da...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
> Where is this rear entrance?
Some way past the side entrance. ;-)
> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
> Where is this rear entrance?
--
*The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind *
Fredxx
Oct 6, 2018, 7:39:31 PM10/6/18
to
On 07/10/2018 00:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <cNednSo5ANo5QCXG...@giganews.com>,
> Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>>
>
>> Buses and taxis are exempt from the no stopping restriction, as are the
>> emergency services while carrying out their duties.
>
> Thanks for explaining that. Not quite sure of the morality of allowing a
> taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
They pay fees for licenses that you don't pay for.
> In article <cNednSo5ANo5QCXG...@giganews.com>,
> Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>>
>
>> Buses and taxis are exempt from the no stopping restriction, as are the
>> emergency services while carrying out their duties.
>
> Thanks for explaining that. Not quite sure of the morality of allowing a
> taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
Fredxx
Oct 6, 2018, 8:00:25 PM10/6/18
to
On 04/10/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
Next time, get out of the car and lift the bonnet up before your
> Are you breaking the law, stopping at a bus stop to allow a passenger to
> alight? (No buses around, so not hindering them)
>
> Just had a fixed penalty notice claiming I did just this. I dropped off a
> passenger at the rear entrance to Clapham Junction station. Stopped for
> all of 30 seconds, or less.
passenger makes their escape!
In this case, perhaps you can argue your passenger had a medical
emergency and needed the loo?
Jim K
Oct 6, 2018, 8:54:39 PM10/6/18
to
Robin <r...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:
down so the numb can study it...
Better still make it compulsory to test at least some of it as a
condition of getting a driving licence...
Ooh hang on,.... ;-)
> On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>
>
> Whether the 3 you saw had stopped legally depends on the cage markings.
> If broad yellow line at kerb then they were legal. If broad red they
> were not.
>
What we need is a little book / resource with all this written
>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>
>
> Whether the 3 you saw had stopped legally depends on the cage markings.
> If broad yellow line at kerb then they were legal. If broad red they
> were not.
>
down so the numb can study it...
Better still make it compulsory to test at least some of it as a
condition of getting a driving licence...
Ooh hang on,.... ;-)
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 4:14:50 AM10/7/18
to
On 07/10/18 00:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <ppamep$e96$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mark <Ma...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:5742763...@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <pp85d6$eks$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
>>>> and traffic to flow too.
>>>
>>> Not so. Further along the same road, it is so narrow two buses or even a
>>> bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
>>> opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
>>> in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
>>>
>>> The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
>>>
>
>> can you not still drop off on the ramp up St Johns hill
>
> As I explained earlier, I dropped off my rather old pal where he would
> have the least distance to walk to his platform.
Get your rather old pal to pay the fine?
> In article <ppamep$e96$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mark <Ma...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:5742763...@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <pp85d6$eks$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> A bay opposite, would suggest a road is wide enough to support parking
>>>> and traffic to flow too.
>>>
>>> Not so. Further along the same road, it is so narrow two buses or even a
>>> bus and car can't pass. There are resident parking bays for the estate
>>> opposite and Boris bike bays. Traffic on that side of the road has to pull
>>> in to gaps between the bays to let a bus through.
>>>
>>> The part outside the station entrance is slightly wider, though.
>>>
>
>> can you not still drop off on the ramp up St Johns hill
>
> As I explained earlier, I dropped off my rather old pal where he would
> have the least distance to walk to his platform.
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 4:19:35 AM10/7/18
to
On 07/10/18 00:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <cNednSo5ANo5QCXG...@giganews.com>,
> Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>>
>
>> Buses and taxis are exempt from the no stopping restriction, as are the
>> emergency services while carrying out their duties.
>
> Thanks for explaining that. Not quite sure of the morality of allowing a
> taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
WTF has morality got to do with it?
> In article <cNednSo5ANo5QCXG...@giganews.com>,
> Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/10/2018 14:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> On a drive through part of London this morning, saw no less than three
>>> blacks cabs stopping at bus stops to pick up or drop off fares. Either
>>> they are exempt, or know where there are cameras. ;-)
>>>
>
>> Buses and taxis are exempt from the no stopping restriction, as are the
>> emergency services while carrying out their duties.
>
> Thanks for explaining that. Not quite sure of the morality of allowing a
> taxi to drop off a passenger there, but not a private car.
Public transport. Private transport
Can you not see the difference? FFS, you live in London which has to be
the most anti-private transport city in the UK. Get a grip, luv.
Robin
Oct 7, 2018, 4:44:18 AM10/7/18
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On 07/10/2018 00:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <3obirdt5oin0l3sv4...@4ax.com>,
> Dave W <da...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
>> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
>> Where is this rear entrance?
>
> Some way past the side entrance. ;-)
>
Your starting point was "the rear entrance to Clapham Junction" but
> In article <3obirdt5oin0l3sv4...@4ax.com>,
> Dave W <da...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
>> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
>> Where is this rear entrance?
>
> Some way past the side entrance. ;-)
>
you've since been rather coy about just where. Are you saying now that
it wasn't the Grant Road entrance at all but the Brighton Road one? If
so that's a novel use of the label "rear".
I can't help but wonder why you haven't been clear about just where you
stopped.
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 6:08:47 AM10/7/18
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dennis@home
Oct 7, 2018, 6:09:40 AM10/7/18
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can't use bus lanes unless the sign says they can.
Robin
Oct 7, 2018, 6:33:51 AM10/7/18
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under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (unless,
as already indicated, it is a red route).
the same as they
> can't use bus lanes unless the sign says they can.
Pamela
Oct 7, 2018, 6:52:47 AM10/7/18
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"Richard" wrote in message news:ppclvc$1el5$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
Most Left Wing Labour supporting Immigrants are.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 7, 2018, 7:21:48 AM10/7/18
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In article <ppcf9n$14c8$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
Absolutely no surprise it's you who recommend that.
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*Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.
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*Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 7, 2018, 7:21:48 AM10/7/18
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In article <8f7e4501-2c00-6cce...@outlook.com>,
Grant Road - called the rear entrance by locals. The front entrance is on
St John's Hill, which is also the address of the station.
--
*The older you get, the better you realize you were.
St John's Hill, which is also the address of the station.
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*The older you get, the better you realize you were.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 7, 2018, 7:21:49 AM10/7/18
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In article <ppcohs$1jo3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
real Pamela?
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*I want it all and I want it delivered
Pamela <inv...@mail.com> wrote:
> Because he is a disingenuous little shit?
> Most Left Wing Labour supporting Immigrants are.
Can anyone tell me how to killfile this version of Wodney, without the
> Because he is a disingenuous little shit?
> Most Left Wing Labour supporting Immigrants are.
real Pamela?
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*I want it all and I want it delivered
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 7:50:58 AM10/7/18
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Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 7:53:25 AM10/7/18
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On 07/10/18 12:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <ppcohs$1jo3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Pamela <inv...@mail.com> wrote:
>> Because he is a disingenuous little shit?
>
>> Most Left Wing Labour supporting Immigrants are.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to killfile this version of Wodney, without the
> real Pamela?
OK. But first, promise to stop whining and eat all your greens.
> In article <ppcohs$1jo3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Pamela <inv...@mail.com> wrote:
>> Because he is a disingenuous little shit?
>
>> Most Left Wing Labour supporting Immigrants are.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to killfile this version of Wodney, without the
> real Pamela?
Pamela
Oct 7, 2018, 7:59:04 AM10/7/18
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"Richard" wrote in message news:ppcruv$1p9v$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
Socialists and Fat Scotch oinker always like other people to pay.
Pamela
Oct 7, 2018, 7:59:41 AM10/7/18
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"Richard" wrote in message news:ppcs3h$1p9v$2...@gioia.aioe.org...
Oink Oink
Robin
Oct 7, 2018, 9:20:39 AM10/7/18
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On 07/10/2018 12:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <8f7e4501-2c00-6cce...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 07/10/2018 00:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <3obirdt5oin0l3sv4...@4ax.com>,
>>> Dave W <da...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
>>>> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
>>>> Where is this rear entrance?
>>>
>>> Some way past the side entrance. ;-)
>>>
>> Your starting point was "the rear entrance to Clapham Junction" but
>> you've since been rather coy about just where. Are you saying now that
>> it wasn't the Grant Road entrance at all but the Brighton Road one? If
>> so that's a novel use of the label "rear".
>
>> I can't help but wonder why you haven't been clear about just where you
>> stopped.
>
>
> Grant Road - called the rear entrance by locals. The front entrance is on
> St John's Hill, which is also the address of the station.
>
Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
> In article <8f7e4501-2c00-6cce...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 07/10/2018 00:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <3obirdt5oin0l3sv4...@4ax.com>,
>>> Dave W <da...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Google StreetView only shows a bus stop at the front entrance of
>>>> Clapham Junction station. A notice says "No stopping except buses".
>>>> Where is this rear entrance?
>>>
>>> Some way past the side entrance. ;-)
>>>
>> Your starting point was "the rear entrance to Clapham Junction" but
>> you've since been rather coy about just where. Are you saying now that
>> it wasn't the Grant Road entrance at all but the Brighton Road one? If
>> so that's a novel use of the label "rear".
>
>> I can't help but wonder why you haven't been clear about just where you
>> stopped.
>
>
> Grant Road - called the rear entrance by locals. The front entrance is on
> St John's Hill, which is also the address of the station.
>
shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
How droll.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 7, 2018, 9:53:42 AM10/7/18
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In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
where the rear entrance is?
--
*I brake for no apparent reason.
Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
> How droll.
Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
> How droll.
Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
where the rear entrance is?
--
*I brake for no apparent reason.
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 10:02:18 AM10/7/18
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On 07/10/18 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>> How droll.
>
> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> where the rear entrance is?
>
You awkward twit. Why don't you just post a streetview link of where
> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>> How droll.
>
> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> where the rear entrance is?
>
"Dave's very own car stop" is so we can see how stupid you are?
Richard
Oct 7, 2018, 10:07:37 AM10/7/18
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Pamela
Oct 7, 2018, 10:21:35 AM10/7/18
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"Richard" wrote in message news:ppd3v5$i35$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
Wow all that remoron education and plowcunt could not see the camera on the
pole.
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pole.
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Robin
Oct 7, 2018, 12:36:28 PM10/7/18
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On 07/10/2018 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>> How droll.
>
> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> where the rear entrance is?
>
I posted a link to Streetview for the rear entrance in Grant Road on 5
> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>> How droll.
>
> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> where the rear entrance is?
>
October with a question to you. Did you miss them or just ignore them?
And you could remove all confusion by stating (a) if you agree Grant
Road entrance is the "rear entrance" and (b) just where it was you
stopped. Until you do so I'll happily ignore you.
Pamela
Oct 7, 2018, 12:46:16 PM10/7/18
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"Robin" wrote in message
news:b333ca33-3538-df41...@outlook.com...
Most people already do.
news:b333ca33-3538-df41...@outlook.com...
fred
Oct 8, 2018, 4:08:28 AM10/8/18
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 8, 2018, 6:14:14 AM10/8/18
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In article <b333ca33-3538-df41...@outlook.com>,
> And you could remove all confusion by stating (a) if you agree Grant
> Road entrance is the "rear entrance" and (b) just where it was you
> stopped. Until you do so I'll happily ignore you.
How many bus stops are there where you'd be likely to drop off a passenger
close to the rear entrance?
--
*Stable Relationships Are For Horses. *
Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 07/10/2018 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> > Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
> >> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
> >> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
> >> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
> >> How droll.
> >
> > Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> > Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> > where the rear entrance is?
> >
> I posted a link to Streetview for the rear entrance in Grant Road on 5
> October with a question to you. Did you miss them or just ignore them?
Why would I want to look at StreetView?
> On 07/10/2018 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
> > Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
> >> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
> >> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
> >> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
> >> How droll.
> >
> > Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
> > Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
> > where the rear entrance is?
> >
> I posted a link to Streetview for the rear entrance in Grant Road on 5
> October with a question to you. Did you miss them or just ignore them?
> And you could remove all confusion by stating (a) if you agree Grant
> Road entrance is the "rear entrance" and (b) just where it was you
> stopped. Until you do so I'll happily ignore you.
close to the rear entrance?
--
*Stable Relationships Are For Horses. *
Richard
Oct 8, 2018, 6:44:40 AM10/8/18
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On 08/10/18 11:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <b333ca33-3538-df41...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 07/10/2018 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
>>> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>>>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>>>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>>>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>>>> How droll.
>>>
>>> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
>>> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
>>> where the rear entrance is?
>>>
>
>> I posted a link to Streetview for the rear entrance in Grant Road on 5
>> October with a question to you. Did you miss them or just ignore them?
>
> Why would I want to look at StreetView?
*You* wouldn't because it would confirm that *you* are an idiot.
> In article <b333ca33-3538-df41...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 07/10/2018 14:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <de4aa9f3-fe79-0221...@outlook.com>,
>>> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>> Which is what I had assumed - which is why I pointed out that Streetview
>>>> shows the parking bay was not opposite the bus stop. So by "some way
>>>> past the side entrance" (or main entrance?) you presumably mean up St
>>>> John's Hill, left in to Falcon Road and then left again into Grant Road.
>>>> How droll.
>>>
>>> Does StreetView show you parking bays opposite the bus stops on St Johns
>>> Hill opposite the station entrance, then, if you are so confused about
>>> where the rear entrance is?
>>>
>
>> I posted a link to Streetview for the rear entrance in Grant Road on 5
>> October with a question to you. Did you miss them or just ignore them?
>
> Why would I want to look at StreetView?
>
>> And you could remove all confusion by stating (a) if you agree Grant
>> Road entrance is the "rear entrance" and (b) just where it was you
>> stopped. Until you do so I'll happily ignore you.
>
> How many bus stops are there where you'd be likely to drop off a passenger
> close to the rear entrance?
>
whisky-dave
Oct 8, 2018, 7:54:32 AM10/8/18
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On Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:46:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <pp9v2i$1b76$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> > > some driving rule or other.
>
> > I'm not stupid enough to always be breaking "some driving rule or
> > other".
>
> What you actually mean is you aren't caught doing it.
>
> Anyone who says they never break any driving regs is a fool or liar. I'm
> quite willing to believe you are both.
I never have.
> In article <pp9v2i$1b76$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Richard <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > Good to know you'd be happy to pay any fine if always caught when breaking
> > > some driving rule or other.
>
> > I'm not stupid enough to always be breaking "some driving rule or
> > other".
>
> What you actually mean is you aren't caught doing it.
>
> Anyone who says they never break any driving regs is a fool or liar. I'm
> quite willing to believe you are both.
I never have.
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