Are Erbauer and Titan the same?

[Tricky Dicky]

We all know that Erbauer is a Screwfix own brand of cheaper tools with the
downside that you cannot buy spare parts when things go pear-shaped.

Last year when the brushes on my ELU SDS drill wore out and I needed SDS
for a job I was doing and could not afford to wait for a set of new brushes
I went out and bought a Titan 6Kg SDS drill for £70 mainly for occasional
use primarily breaking concrete which my ELU sometimes struggled with.

This year having a bit of concrete to break I found the Titan’s hammer
action was not working. I spoke to a nice young lady at Screwfix and was
left with the impression it would be an exchange. However, took it to my
local Screwfix and they said it would be a repair under guarantee back in 5
days.

A couple of days later it was returned with hammer action duly working and
a note saying no fault found ???????

For me the interesting thing was that it came back with a delivery note
attached that had an Erbauer banner head and the repair facility was in
Walsall which beg the question are they both the same company, as Titan are
another cheap brand with little information about them on the web and
impossible to source spares.

I must admit I have always considered both Erbauer and Titan as cheap and
cheerful and be prepared to dispose of when they get broken. It surprised
me that they even considered repair considering the prices they sell them
at. I knew a fellow OU student before the Milenium who worked for the now
defunct Comet in their repairs dept. And back then they would not touch
anything below £35 value.

Richard

[Theo]

Tricky Dicky <tricky...@sky.com> wrote:
> For me the interesting thing was that it came back with a delivery note
> attached that had an Erbauer banner head and the repair facility was in
> Walsall which beg the question are they both the same company, as Titan are
> another cheap brand with little information about them on the web and
> impossible to source spares.
>
> I must admit I have always considered both Erbauer and Titan as cheap and
> cheerful and be prepared to dispose of when they get broken. It surprised
> me that they even considered repair considering the prices they sell them
> at. I knew a fellow OU student before the Milenium who worked for the now
> defunct Comet in their repairs dept. And back then they would not touch
> anything below £35 value.

I thought Erbauer, Titan and MacAllister were Kingfisher group brands
(Kingfisher = Screwfix, B&Q, Brico Depot, Castorama). Ah yes, they're all
here:

https://www.kingfisher.com/en/own-exclusive-brand.html

No experience of their repair side of things.

[Robin]

Possibly less a repair department, more a filter for people trying it
on* - eg returning a tool they've worn out, dropped of the roof etc.

*not you of course!


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[Animal]

A common cause for SDS not hammering is people forgetting to grease them.

[Brian Gaff]

I don't know but there are a lot of devices out there which are badge
engineered, some with very famous names like Philips etc, and actually
finding who does what for whom is a terribly convoluted process. I'd imagine
somebody knows a generic part when they see it and just knows its economic
as it fits so many differently named products.
Its nothing new. A lot of Integrated circuits that were used in products
used to be made under licence from a parent company who designed them. Clive
Sinclair designed an early audio output chip. He called it the IC12, but I
also saw the same chip badged as Texas and with a very non memorable number,
and it was used in TVs of the time. Had a nasty habit of self destruction
though.
Brian

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[Fredxx]

Please explain?

Do you open up the tool and apply more grease? I'm not sure if I can do
that with mine?

[alan_m]

On 15/10/2023 23:02, Fredxx wrote:

>
> Please explain?
>
> Do you open up the tool and apply more grease? I'm not sure if I can do
> that with mine?

On many you just apply some grease to the end of the drill bit.

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[Animal]

On Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 23:26:30 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 23:02, Fredxx wrote:
>
> >
> > Please explain?
> >
> > Do you open up the tool and apply more grease? I'm not sure if I can do
> > that with mine?
> On many you just apply some grease to the end of the drill bit.

+1

[Fredxx]

On 15/10/2023 23:26, alan_m wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 23:02, Fredxx wrote:
>
>>
>> Please explain?
>>
>> Do you open up the tool and apply more grease? I'm not sure if I can
>> do that with mine?
>
> On many you just apply some grease to the end of the drill bit.

Many thanks, I did wonder. The idea of grease in an environment of brick
and concrete dust worries me, but I do see it's the done thing.

[alan_m]

Ideally you need a high temperature grease that will not degrade
plastic/rubber. It lubricates the moving parts on the hammer/drill bit
interface and when removing the bit you are also removing some of the
crud that has entered the hole in the SDS bit holder.