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CJB

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Jun 2, 2007, 6:26:00 AM6/2/07
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I stupidly paid a £1000 deposit on new windows for my flat in December
2006. After hassling Everest for months they have only now delivered
the contract in May 2007. The local rep. (Heathrow) has been rude and
dismissive. No-one from Everest has bothered to actually contact me.
Now because I am threatening to cancel the contract they are going to
charge me another £1000 for loss of materials etc. In fact the windows
haven't even been made yet so I don't see how loss of materials
features in this. Has anyone else had a run in with Everest. They are
certainly the WORST company I've ever had to deal with. C.J.Brady.
P.S. Is there an anti-Everest / Double Glazing website anywhere.

Matty F

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Jun 2, 2007, 6:41:25 AM6/2/07
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On Jun 2, 10:26 pm, CJB <chrisjbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. Is there an anti-Everest / Double Glazing website anywhere.

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/local-services/double-glazing-in-general/reviews/

Colin Wilson

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Jun 2, 2007, 7:24:20 AM6/2/07
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> I stupidly paid a £1000 deposit on new windows for my flat in December
> 2006. After hassling Everest for months they have only now delivered
> the contract in May 2007.

Trading standards ?

Andy Hall

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Jun 2, 2007, 8:30:57 AM6/2/07
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On 2007-06-02 11:26:00 +0100, CJB <chris...@gmail.com> said:

> I stupidly paid a £1000 deposit on new windows for my flat in December
> 2006.

Did you pay by credit card or other credit vehicle? If so, contact
the card company. They will have a department that handles issues
such as this, because they are aware of their liability. Phone call
first and then follow up in writing by Special Delivery.


> After hassling Everest for months they have only now delivered
> the contract in May 2007.

Why did you wait so long? Suppliers should be kept on a much shorter
leash. 7 days would have been reasonable to have received a contract.
It is rather odd that there is such a time delay because a deposit is
of limited use as they can't complete the job and be paid.


> The local rep. (Heathrow) has been rude and
> dismissive.

He will probably have received some payment on order and the rest on
completion. Is the job a small one? If the total is only £4-5k then
he can make more money by selling complete house installations.

No point in bothering with him.

> No-one from Everest has bothered to actually contact me.

Did you ask them to do so? In writing?

> Now because I am threatening to cancel the contract they are going to
> charge me another £1000 for loss of materials etc. In fact the windows
> haven't even been made yet so I don't see how loss of materials
> features in this. Has anyone else had a run in with Everest.

No but I have had numerous run ins with suppliers of goods and services
who feel that they can offer and sell one thing and deliver another.
It never ceases to amaze me how shocked some people and companies
become when asked to do what they said they would do.


> They are
> certainly the WORST company I've ever had to deal with. C.J.Brady.

I wouldn't have allowed the situation to have taken so long. It's
time to cut it short. First step is to decide whether you still want
them to supply. If you don't, then identify whether you can recover
the deposit and avoid any other payments. They will probably have
wording in their contract around this, but it may not hold up under
unfair contract legislation. Having said that, one would have
expected this firm to have done its homework on that issue.

> P.S. Is there an anti-Everest / Double Glazing website anywhere.

Not really relevant. The contract is between you and the supplier
with any credit supplier jointly and severally liable with the
supplier; it is not with a website or even a newsgroup.

Really, you can use all of this as a source of information as to what
steps to take. There is no point in getting into mass protests, class
actions or camping out like Swampy at the company's head office.

You have the options of contacting the trading standards office at your
local authority, citizens advice, solicitor, credit company. These
are where a difference will be made if it is possible to make a
difference.

tony sayer

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Jun 2, 2007, 8:54:37 AM6/2/07
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>> P.S. Is there an anti-Everest / Double Glazing website anywhere.
>
>Not really relevant. The contract is between you and the supplier
>with any credit supplier jointly and severally liable with the
>supplier; it is not with a website or even a newsgroup.
>
>Really, you can use all of this as a source of information as to what
>steps to take. There is no point in getting into mass protests, class
>actions or camping out like Swampy at the company's head office.
>
>You have the options of contacting the trading standards office at your
>local authority, citizens advice, solicitor, credit company. These
>are where a difference will be made if it is possible to make a
>difference.
>

Yes carries far more weight!..

As well as putting it on here and telling everyone you know what a shite
time you have had with them so hopefully no one will deal with them and
they'll go out of business..

But they'll come back under another name -- so can't win!...
--
Tony Sayer



Adrian

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Jun 2, 2007, 9:22:56 AM6/2/07
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HI CJB

My late parents had a similar experience with Anglian Windows.
They seemed to be organised along regional lines - and the regional
offices were very quick to disclaim all responsibility and pass the
buck up to head office - which also tried to pass it back to the
regions.

Total disaster, which involved serious damage to the structure of
their cedarwood bungalow (Anglian removed the structural timbers which
held up one side of the biulding and replaced them with a
non-structural set of UPVD patio doors).

Only solved after 9 months of wrangling, and a report for an
independant structural surveyor...

Best bet in your case is registered letters to regional and head
office - copies to BBC Watchdog - an generally jump up & down and make
a nuisance of yourself..... also follow up the Trading Standards and
Credit Card route...

Many solicitors will give you a half-hour free consultation - or try
the Citizens Advice Bureau.

Good luck
Adrian

Stuart Noble

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Jun 2, 2007, 9:38:43 AM6/2/07
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Everest still have a big reputation to maintain, albeit with little old
ladies who still think DG is a bit technical. Why anyone would use a
national company is beyond me.

Ian

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Jun 2, 2007, 2:49:14 PM6/2/07
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"CJB" <chris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I stupidly paid a £1000 deposit on new windows for my flat in December
2006.

Do you really think anyone is bothered? Read your copy of the contract you
have, if the other side hasn't stuck to it then sue them. Very simple to
do. You do seem a bit thick as you didn't shop around or get any customer
opinions.


Ian

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Jun 2, 2007, 2:51:03 PM6/2/07
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"Colin Wilson" <REMOVEEVERYTHI...@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.co.uk> wrote
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Trading standards ?

Pointless, they don't have much power to do anything and often have to be
forced to react.
Keep watching the news for one particular head of trading standards that was
mixed up with DVDs!
Possibly in a few weeks from now.


Owain

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Jun 2, 2007, 3:27:58 PM6/2/07
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Stuart Noble wrote:
> Everest still have a big reputation to maintain, albeit with little old
> ladies who still think DG is a bit technical. Why anyone would use a
> national company is beyond me.

Because their salesmen keep appointments, and if you're a little old
lady you could die before you can find an independent tradesman that
keeps appointments.

Owain

Steve

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Jun 2, 2007, 4:48:02 PM6/2/07
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:27:58 +0100, Owain wrote:

> Stuart Noble wrote:
>> [3 quoted lines suppressed]


>
> Because their salesmen keep appointments, and if you're a little old
> lady you could die before you can find an independent tradesman that
> keeps appointments.

I bought windows in the same area as the OP, only booking appointments with
local independent tradesmen. They all turned up on time and one of them was
run by multiple generations of the same family, who had employed fitters
with 20+ years at the same company, they fitted my windows.

Oh and the deposit was £1.

There is no reason at all to use national DG companies, they are all con
men.

Steve

Frank Erskine

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Jun 2, 2007, 5:46:07 PM6/2/07
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:27:58 +0100, Owain
<owain...@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote:

But do the fitters keep their appointments?

--
Frank Erskine

Mary Fisher

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Jun 3, 2007, 5:44:35 AM6/3/07
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"Owain" <owain...@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote in message
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What if you're a big old lady?

Mary
who doesn't know anything about independent tradesmen ...


meow...@care2.com

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Jun 3, 2007, 6:36:15 AM6/3/07
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On 2 Jun, 13:30, Andy Hall <a...@hall.nospam> wrote:

Good advice, just one think I've found tho: standing outside and
telling potential customers what happened has been a very fast way of
getting a complaint addressed IME.


NT

Andy Hall

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Jun 3, 2007, 7:43:16 AM6/3/07
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On 2007-06-03 11:36:15 +0100, meow...@care2.com said:
>>
>
> Good advice, just one think I've found tho: standing outside and
> telling potential customers what happened has been a very fast way of
> getting a complaint addressed IME.
>
>
> NT

That's true. I did suggest to one of the DIY supermarkets that I
would do that on one occasion when they had a memory aberration over
delivering what they had sold. The duty manager resolved the problem
quickly.

One small tip here is to take the duty manager/supervisor away from the
desk occupied by the member of staff who has been a roadblock up to
that point.

This gives the manager the scope to fix the problem without having to
be seen to countermand the assistant in front of the customer- i.e.
effectively having to choose between doing the correct thing for the
customer and backing his staff member. Actually he should do both.
He can fix the problem for the customer with as much flexibility with
the customer as is necessary and then talk to the staff member later to
the effect that they have done the right thing by following the
procedure but that on some occasions it is the right thing for the
business to vary that to meet the customer's need.

The customer should never return to the original assistant with an "I
told you so" or any other "ner,ner,ner,ner,ner" attitude. It doesn't
achieve anything and is unnecessarily rude.

Regarding a DG outfit, it would be a bit difficult to tail a salesman,
although some of the firms do have displays in garden centres and
retail parks. One could camp outside those on a Sunday afternoon I
suppose.

However, to be honest, it would be more productive for the individual
to take charge of his own problem and deal with it through the
(essentially financial) remedies available.


Owain

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Jun 2, 2007, 6:23:48 PM6/2/07
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Frank Erskine wrote:
>>Because their salesmen keep appointments, and if you're a little old
>>lady you could die before you can find an independent tradesman that
>>keeps appointments.
> But do the fitters keep their appointments?

No, but by the time my mother got locked inside her Premier Bathrooms
easy-access bath they'd got their money and scampered.

Owain


Andy Hall

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Jun 3, 2007, 12:21:32 PM6/3/07
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Is this one of these things where you open the door at the side and
walk in and then close the door and fill it?

I think that if these suppliers want to try selling me something and
"not meeting expectations" that's one thing. When they sell things
and rip off the elderly who either can't or won't push for what they
bought it's unacceptable.

While I don't believe in "society" as a concept or accept the mamby
pamby packaging around it - i.e. I think that individuals should take
responsibility for themselves, I take a really dim view of commercial
outfits who offer specialised products and services to "seniors" and
the disabled and then rip them off.

I think that I will do my piece to redress this as a retirement project
in a few years time, so they had better watch out.


Owain

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Jun 3, 2007, 1:01:03 PM6/3/07
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Andy Hall wrote:
>> No, but by the time my mother got locked inside her Premier Bathrooms
>> easy-access bath they'd got their money and scampered.
> Is this one of these things where you open the door at the side and walk
> in and then close the door and fill it?

I believe so. I haven't visited since it was done.

> I think that if these suppliers want to try selling me something and
> "not meeting expectations" that's one thing. When they sell things and
> rip off the elderly who either can't or won't push for what they bought
> it's unacceptable.

Oh, my mother now has a fully working bathroom[1] and I think the
company realise the error of their ways.

> While I don't believe in "society" as a concept or accept the mamby
> pamby packaging around it - i.e. I think that individuals should take
> responsibility for themselves, I take a really dim view of commercial
> outfits who offer specialised products and services to "seniors" and the
> disabled and then rip them off.

My mother does not take being ripped off lightly, and I suspect the
chairman of the company was tracked down through the annual report and
given her best "stand up the boy or girl who burned down the gymnasium"
Deputy Headmistress speech.

> I think that I will do my piece to redress this as a retirement project
> in a few years time, so they had better watch out.

:-)

The tinks probably make chalk-marks outside your house saying
"tarmaccers enter at own risk"

Owain

[1] Apart from the shower which apparently broke a week after guarantee
expired.

Andy Hall

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Jun 3, 2007, 2:29:26 PM6/3/07
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On 2007-06-03 18:01:03 +0100, Owain <owain...@stirlingcity.coo.uk> said:

> Andy Hall wrote:
>>> No, but by the time my mother got locked inside her Premier Bathrooms
>>> easy-access bath they'd got their money and scampered.
>> Is this one of these things where you open the door at the side and
>> walk in and then close the door and fill it?
>
> I believe so. I haven't visited since it was done.
>
>> I think that if these suppliers want to try selling me something and
>> "not meeting expectations" that's one thing. When they sell things
>> and rip off the elderly who either can't or won't push for what they
>> bought it's unacceptable.
>
> Oh, my mother now has a fully working bathroom[1] and I think the
> company realise the error of their ways.
>
>> While I don't believe in "society" as a concept or accept the mamby
>> pamby packaging around it - i.e. I think that individuals should take
>> responsibility for themselves, I take a really dim view of commercial
>> outfits who offer specialised products and services to "seniors" and
>> the disabled and then rip them off.
>
> My mother does not take being ripped off lightly, and I suspect the
> chairman of the company was tracked down through the annual report and
> given her best "stand up the boy or girl who burned down the gymnasium"
> Deputy Headmistress speech.

Deputy Headmistress. Excellent. Hopefully she hasn't noticed all the
nonsense about corporal punishment being removed from the agenda and
has given said chairman six of the best.


>
>> I think that I will do my piece to redress this as a retirement project
>> in a few years time, so they had better watch out.
>
> :-)
>
> The tinks probably make chalk-marks outside your house saying
> "tarmaccers enter at own risk"
>
> Owain
>
>
>
> [1] Apart from the shower which apparently broke a week after guarantee
> expired.

Guarantees are a policy statement like traffic lights in Milan. They
are the starting point for discussion.

Mary Fisher

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Jun 3, 2007, 2:43:26 PM6/3/07
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"Owain" <owain...@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote in message
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>
> The tinks probably make chalk-marks outside your house saying "tarmaccers
> enter at own risk"
>
> Owain

AH! That explains the heiroglyphics on our step :-)

Mary


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