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John Smith
Apr 2, 2016, 10:52:04 AM4/2/16
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Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
the best procedure?
Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and
then flush some cold water from the tap?
bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
the best procedure?
Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and
then flush some cold water from the tap?
Tim Watts
Apr 2, 2016, 11:14:28 AM4/2/16
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for situations like this as it coats all the gunk in the pipe. I've
cleared a slow draining shower - took 3 goes but now the water just runs
away rather than filling the tray to 3" deep.
To answer your question, we'd need to know the make of the cleaner - or
its ingredients.
Your teaching only applies to adding water to concentrated acids where
the mixing releases a lot of heat - notable conc. sulphuric acid. Conc.
HCl is no problem mixing with water. Also applies to sodium hydroxide
crystals.
John Smith
Apr 2, 2016, 11:30:03 AM4/2/16
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Instant-Drain-Cleaner-Safety-Gloves/dp/B00OLYE5RU
Just pondering whether this is best not used in plastic drainage pipes...
Tim Watts
Apr 2, 2016, 12:47:42 PM4/2/16
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out the living scunge and to a degree attacks grease - the problem is it
doesn't get to the upper parts of the pipe, which is where the foaming
stuff comes in handy. I've only ever used acid on limescale.
David Lang
Apr 2, 2016, 12:54:41 PM4/2/16
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On 02/04/2016 16:44, Chris Hogg wrote:
I'm not sure if the OP means the U bend trap under the sink, it which
case why not just remove it? When he says kitchen sink 'drain' could
that be outside>
>
> It's very strong sulphuric acid. As you say, you can drain the trap
> before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
One Shot is usually added to water in a WC, technically the wrong way
around, but you can't do anything else. As you say it will badly damage
SS sinks, chrome wastes and anything else.
>
> If it were me, I'd try a less corrosive drain cleaner first (like Mr
> Muscle), or even a rubber plunger (seal off the overflow if you use
> the latter otherwise it won't work) and only resort to the One Shot as
> a last resort. If I had to use it, I'd make sure I was wearing strong
> rubber gloves, full face protection and a protective garment of some
> sort, and clear the decks and keep the kitchen door shut to prevent
> unexpected visitors. Actually, I don't think I would use it at all.
I use it quite often, but I'm ultra careful as you have suggested.
>
> Safety Data Sheet here http://tinyurl.com/gplgyzs
> Amongst other things it says:
>
> Sulfuric acid 91 %
> Reacts violently with water.
> Wash promptly if skin becomes contaminated.
>
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
case why not just remove it? When he says kitchen sink 'drain' could
that be outside>
>
> It's very strong sulphuric acid. As you say, you can drain the trap
> before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
One Shot is usually added to water in a WC, technically the wrong way
around, but you can't do anything else. As you say it will badly damage
SS sinks, chrome wastes and anything else.
>
> If it were me, I'd try a less corrosive drain cleaner first (like Mr
> Muscle), or even a rubber plunger (seal off the overflow if you use
> the latter otherwise it won't work) and only resort to the One Shot as
> a last resort. If I had to use it, I'd make sure I was wearing strong
> rubber gloves, full face protection and a protective garment of some
> sort, and clear the decks and keep the kitchen door shut to prevent
> unexpected visitors. Actually, I don't think I would use it at all.
I use it quite often, but I'm ultra careful as you have suggested.
>
> Safety Data Sheet here http://tinyurl.com/gplgyzs
> Amongst other things it says:
>
> Sulfuric acid 91 %
> Reacts violently with water.
> Wash promptly if skin becomes contaminated.
>
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
c...@isbd.net
Apr 2, 2016, 1:03:04 PM4/2/16
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John Smith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
> the best procedure?
>
Probably less likely to affect plastic pipes than metal ones.
> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
> the best procedure?
>
> Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
> water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
> all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
>
Shot" claims to be 94% sulphuric acid, if it really is that strong
then, yes, you should add acid to water. However, I'm amazed that
they're allowed to sell acid that strong, if it really is.
> Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and
> then flush some cold water from the tap?
>
--
Chris Green
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Roger Mills
Apr 2, 2016, 1:06:18 PM4/2/16
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Roger
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c...@isbd.net
Apr 2, 2016, 1:33:05 PM4/2/16
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David Lang <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > It's very strong sulphuric acid. As you say, you can drain the trap
> > before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> > 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> > but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> > causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> > the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> > the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> > up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> > in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
>
> One Shot is usually added to water in a WC, technically the wrong way
> around, but you can't do anything else. As you say it will badly damage
> SS sinks, chrome wastes and anything else.
> >
No, it's the right way round, add concentrated acid to a large volume
> > It's very strong sulphuric acid. As you say, you can drain the trap
> > before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> > 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> > but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> > causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> > the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> > the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> > up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> > in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
>
> One Shot is usually added to water in a WC, technically the wrong way
> around, but you can't do anything else. As you say it will badly damage
> SS sinks, chrome wastes and anything else.
> >
of water is the safe/correct way round.
--
Chris Green
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Mr Pounder Esquire
Apr 2, 2016, 1:35:28 PM4/2/16
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The Natural Philosopher
Apr 2, 2016, 1:40:08 PM4/2/16
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soda - Sodium hydroxide -- down in the U -bend and ad hot water.
It is explosive, but it clears the bloody drains all right!
You just need to not get skin or eyes in the way of the caustic geyser.
Permanent blindness is possible.
--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.
Richard Lindzen
John Smith
Apr 2, 2016, 2:00:56 PM4/2/16
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On 2016-04-02 17:07:51 +0000, Roger Mills said:
> On 02/04/2016 15:52, John Smith wrote:
>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>> the best procedure?
>>
>> Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
>> water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
>> all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
>>
>> Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and then
>> flush some cold water from the tap?
>>
>
> Why not just take the trap apart and clean it out?
The blockage is further down the pipework and buried under the kitchen
> On 02/04/2016 15:52, John Smith wrote:
>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>> the best procedure?
>>
>> Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
>> water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
>> all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
>>
>> Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and then
>> flush some cold water from the tap?
>>
>
> Why not just take the trap apart and clean it out?
floor or in units.
David Lang
Apr 2, 2016, 2:24:51 PM4/2/16
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On 02/04/2016 17:58, c...@isbd.net wrote:
> John Smith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>> the best procedure?
>>
> Probably less likely to affect plastic pipes than metal ones.
One Shot comes in a plastic bottle :-)
> John Smith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>> the best procedure?
>>
> Probably less likely to affect plastic pipes than metal ones.
>
>
>> Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
>> water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
>> all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
>>
> That rule is specifically for sulphuric acid. I've just looked, "One
> Shot" claims to be 94% sulphuric acid, if it really is that strong
> then, yes, you should add acid to water. However, I'm amazed that
> they're allowed to sell acid that strong, if it really is.
>
It is that strong, trust me. Nothing else works quite like it.
>
>> Instructions say remove as much water as possible first and then add
>> water once you have put in 125ml acid - obviously I can get rid of the
>> all the water in the trap but I was taught never to add water to acid...
>>
> That rule is specifically for sulphuric acid. I've just looked, "One
> Shot" claims to be 94% sulphuric acid, if it really is that strong
> then, yes, you should add acid to water. However, I'm amazed that
> they're allowed to sell acid that strong, if it really is.
>
>
>> Is it best to slowly add to the water in the trap and then wait and
>> then flush some cold water from the tap?
>>
> Follow the instructions would seem to be the best idea to me.
>
--
Thomas Johns
Apr 2, 2016, 3:00:15 PM4/2/16
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"Tim Watts" <tw_u...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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Andrew Gabriel
Apr 2, 2016, 3:37:17 PM4/2/16
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In article <2016040219005191240-nospam@nospamcom>,
On a trip browsing around Lidl (an excuse for a cycle ride), I picked
up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
About 2 weeks later, the kitchen sink blocked enough that the dishwasher
pump-out backed up into the sink and then drained away slowly.
Took the U-trap off, but could instantly see the problem was the exit
pipework was gundged up, with only about a 1/2" holw left down the middle
for the water to flow away. Fetched the pipe cleaner from the garage,
connected up the pressure washer, and it worked fantastically. Pushed
the cleaning head right through until the pipe opened out into the 4"
waste pipe from upstairs. The backwards-facing jets chisseled the grime
off the pipe, leaving the small part I could see (and I assume the rest
too) looking like nice new shiny plastic.
Cleaning head won't go around a U-trap, but it managed the other bends.
I did have a little difficulty pulling it back out of the 4" pipe back
into the 40mm branch, because a heatshrink sleave on the end was catching
on an edge in the pipework, but it eventually released.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
About 2 weeks later, the kitchen sink blocked enough that the dishwasher
pump-out backed up into the sink and then drained away slowly.
Took the U-trap off, but could instantly see the problem was the exit
pipework was gundged up, with only about a 1/2" holw left down the middle
for the water to flow away. Fetched the pipe cleaner from the garage,
connected up the pressure washer, and it worked fantastically. Pushed
the cleaning head right through until the pipe opened out into the 4"
waste pipe from upstairs. The backwards-facing jets chisseled the grime
off the pipe, leaving the small part I could see (and I assume the rest
too) looking like nice new shiny plastic.
Cleaning head won't go around a U-trap, but it managed the other bends.
I did have a little difficulty pulling it back out of the 4" pipe back
into the 40mm branch, because a heatshrink sleave on the end was catching
on an edge in the pipework, but it eventually released.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
Tim Watts
Apr 2, 2016, 4:41:08 PM4/2/16
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On 02/04/16 20:00, Thomas Johns wrote:
> That One Shot drain cleaner is in fact 91% conc sulphuric acid.
>
> Conc.
>> HCl is no problem mixing with water. Also applies to sodium hydroxide
>> crystals.
>
Blimey...
> That One Shot drain cleaner is in fact 91% conc sulphuric acid.
>
> Conc.
>> HCl is no problem mixing with water. Also applies to sodium hydroxide
>> crystals.
>
John Smith
Apr 2, 2016, 4:48:37 PM4/2/16
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On 2016-04-02 18:24:47 +0000, David Lang said:
> On 02/04/2016 17:58, c...@isbd.net wrote:
>> John Smith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>>> the best procedure?
>>>
>> Probably less likely to affect plastic pipes than metal ones.
>
> One Shot comes in a plastic bottle :-)
It's the reaction and heat that's a concern with plastic and seems to
> On 02/04/2016 17:58, c...@isbd.net wrote:
>> John Smith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Our kitchen sink drain is blocked and only draining slowly. I have a
>>> bottle of One Shot acid - is it Ok to use on plastic pipes and what's
>>> the best procedure?
>>>
>> Probably less likely to affect plastic pipes than metal ones.
>
> One Shot comes in a plastic bottle :-)
be what happened in that awful news item someone else linked to on this
thread about it coming through a ceiling and dripping on a boy's face
in the flat below.
F Murtz
Apr 2, 2016, 5:30:23 PM4/2/16
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> It's very strong sulphuric acid. As you say, you can drain the trap
> before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
Sounds like rot to me ,if it were that violent it would not be sold for
> before adding the acid (don't forget to put it back together first!).
> 125 ml of acid should sit comfortably in the lower part of the trap,
> but when you add the water it will probably react violently, possibly
> causing a fountain of boiling water and acid to emerge like a jet from
> the plug-hole. Apart from then attacking anything it lands on, like
> the SS sink, work top, pots and pans, an inquisitive child who's crept
> up behind you unnoticed, it will also attack you if you happen to be
> in the way, which you may well be if you're still pouring the water.
the purpose,there would be court cases every where.
>
> If it were me, I'd try a less corrosive drain cleaner first (like Mr
> Muscle), or even a rubber plunger (seal off the overflow if you use
> the latter otherwise it won't work) and only resort to the One Shot as
> a last resort. If I had to use it, I'd make sure I was wearing strong
> rubber gloves, full face protection and a protective garment of some
> sort, and clear the decks and keep the kitchen door shut to prevent
> unexpected visitors. Actually, I don't think I would use it at all.
>
F Murtz
Apr 2, 2016, 5:34:57 PM4/2/16
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Chris Hogg wrote:
> This may be of interest http://tinyurl.com/jhgcueh
>
There is more in that than meets the eye and must have been a number of
not normal factors for that to have occurred.
> This may be of interest http://tinyurl.com/jhgcueh
>
There is more in that than meets the eye and must have been a number of
not normal factors for that to have occurred.
Roger Mills
Apr 2, 2016, 6:09:33 PM4/2/16
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If it *is* downstream of the trap, you may be able to get some sort of
flexible device down the pipe to clear it if you first remove the trap
to get access to the pipe.
I would regard powerful chemicals as very much of a last resort.
Roger Mills
Apr 2, 2016, 6:16:14 PM4/2/16
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On 02/04/2016 20:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
> On a trip browsing around Lidl (an excuse for a cycle ride), I picked
> up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
> pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
> version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
>
Yes, I've got one of those. Never needed to use it in anger though - YET!
>
> On a trip browsing around Lidl (an excuse for a cycle ride), I picked
> up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
> pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
> version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
>
Is it really suitable for indoor use? I would have thought that the
backward facing nozles may propel water - and gunge - back out of the
end of the pipe and spray it all round the kitchen. Did you manage to
avoid that?
Andrew Gabriel
Apr 3, 2016, 12:33:04 PM4/3/16
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In article <dmaulb...@mid.individual.net>,
left almost immediately and runs along the wall for a way behind the
kitchen units, so not much came out the end unless the head was close.
Did have to wash out the cupboard afterwards as what did come out was
black. The other problem was the pressure washer leaks (not a problem
outside - indeed I hadn't noticed the leak before), but I had to keep
mopping up the clean water which was coming out of the case.
Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> writes:
> On 02/04/2016 20:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
>>
>> On a trip browsing around Lidl (an excuse for a cycle ride), I picked
>> up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
>> pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
>> version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
>>
>
> Yes, I've got one of those. Never needed to use it in anger though - YET!
>
> Is it really suitable for indoor use? I would have thought that the
> backward facing nozles may propel water - and gunge - back out of the
> end of the pipe and spray it all round the kitchen. Did you manage to
> avoid that?
I had the U-trap off and a bucket under the pipe end. The pipe turns
> On 02/04/2016 20:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
>>
>> On a trip browsing around Lidl (an excuse for a cycle ride), I picked
>> up one of those "that might be useful one day" purchases, which is a
>> pipe cleaning kit you connect to a pressure washer outlet, like a smaller
>> version of the ones Thames Water used up a blocked sewer.
>>
>
> Yes, I've got one of those. Never needed to use it in anger though - YET!
>
> Is it really suitable for indoor use? I would have thought that the
> backward facing nozles may propel water - and gunge - back out of the
> end of the pipe and spray it all round the kitchen. Did you manage to
> avoid that?
left almost immediately and runs along the wall for a way behind the
kitchen units, so not much came out the end unless the head was close.
Did have to wash out the cupboard afterwards as what did come out was
black. The other problem was the pressure washer leaks (not a problem
outside - indeed I hadn't noticed the leak before), but I had to keep
mopping up the clean water which was coming out of the case.
Tim+
Apr 3, 2016, 1:10:35 PM4/3/16
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use it inside though.
Tim
newshound
Apr 3, 2016, 4:38:09 PM4/3/16
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plastic drain pipes.
John Smith
Apr 3, 2016, 4:53:22 PM4/3/16
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plastic. That's the point.
newshound
Apr 3, 2016, 4:54:39 PM4/3/16
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On 4/3/2016 9:43 AM, Chris Hogg wrote:
> I have no doubt that the DM exaggerated and dramatised the story for
> commercial reasons. It's what they do.
>
> I have no doubt that the reporter who covered the story is technically
> illiterate and wouldn't know acid from alkali. It's what they are.
>
> But the basics of the story are clear. The man in the top flat used
> One Shot to clear a blockage in his drain. Somehow the One Shot
> escaped the confines of the drainage system, dissolved or soaked its
> way through the floor of the flat and the ceiling of the flat below,
> and dripped onto the pillow and face of the little boy sleeping
> underneath. Luckily, the boy was not seriously disfigured, although he
> obviously received some acid burns to his face. The pillow did not
> fare so well.
>
> What do you doubt about that?
>
I agree that this is a horrific story, and probably reason enough never
to use that product. All credit to the mother for doing exactly the
right thing and flushing liberally with water.
My understanding is that PVC, polyethylene, and polypropylene (as used
in normal 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch waste pipes) are resistant to concentrated
sulphuric acid, but ABS (as used in some 110 mm pipes) is not.
I do wonder, in the quoted case, whether the acid was released because
it dissolved a "seal" made from limescale, or perhaps the pipes were
already degraded in some other way.
If that 91% concentration is high enough to show the classic overheating
reaction when water is added to concentrated sulphuric acid, I am quite
surprised to see it so readily available on sale.
> commercial reasons. It's what they do.
>
> I have no doubt that the reporter who covered the story is technically
> illiterate and wouldn't know acid from alkali. It's what they are.
>
> But the basics of the story are clear. The man in the top flat used
> One Shot to clear a blockage in his drain. Somehow the One Shot
> escaped the confines of the drainage system, dissolved or soaked its
> way through the floor of the flat and the ceiling of the flat below,
> and dripped onto the pillow and face of the little boy sleeping
> underneath. Luckily, the boy was not seriously disfigured, although he
> obviously received some acid burns to his face. The pillow did not
> fare so well.
>
> What do you doubt about that?
>
I agree that this is a horrific story, and probably reason enough never
to use that product. All credit to the mother for doing exactly the
right thing and flushing liberally with water.
My understanding is that PVC, polyethylene, and polypropylene (as used
in normal 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch waste pipes) are resistant to concentrated
sulphuric acid, but ABS (as used in some 110 mm pipes) is not.
I do wonder, in the quoted case, whether the acid was released because
it dissolved a "seal" made from limescale, or perhaps the pipes were
already degraded in some other way.
If that 91% concentration is high enough to show the classic overheating
reaction when water is added to concentrated sulphuric acid, I am quite
surprised to see it so readily available on sale.
michael adams
Apr 3, 2016, 5:17:35 PM4/3/16
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"newshound" <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote in message
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According to this chart both 75-100% and hot and cold concentrated
sulphuric acid have a severe effect on PVC and are not
recommended for any use.
http://www.calpaclab.com/pvc-polyvinyl-chloride-chemical-compatibility-chart/
And its PVC which I believe, many drainpipes are made of.
michael adams
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David Lang
Apr 3, 2016, 6:29:56 PM4/3/16
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without that being a problem.
michael adams
Apr 4, 2016, 6:35:34 AM4/4/16
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>
> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
> problem.
Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
> problem.
Just the same as wood.
Which must come in handy when explining to the punters
why you're knocking up decking from piles of old pallets.
michael adams
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David Lang
Apr 4, 2016, 8:10:18 AM4/4/16
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On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>
>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>> problem.
>
> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>
>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>> problem.
>
> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
bottle would have a warning on it.
Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>
> Just the same as wood.
>
> Which must come in handy when explining to the punters
> why you're knocking up decking from piles of old pallets.
Totally ridiculous analogy.
> Just the same as wood.
>
> Which must come in handy when explining to the punters
> why you're knocking up decking from piles of old pallets.
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 4, 2016, 8:17:17 AM4/4/16
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On 04/04/16 13:10, David Lang wrote:
> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>
>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years
>>> without that being a
>>> problem.
>>
>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
> bottle would have a warning on it.
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
Pretty sure that it does, from A level chemistry.
> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>
>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years
>>> without that being a
>>> problem.
>>
>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
> bottle would have a warning on it.
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
Its a very strong reducing agent IIRC. So any plastic with oxygen
molecules in it is prone to attack
http://www.plasticsintl.com/plastics_chemical_resistence_chart.html
looks like the PVC/polythene classes are OK, but acetal which is a sort
of nylon, is not.
--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.
michael adams
Apr 4, 2016, 8:46:13 AM4/4/16
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news:GQsMy.601214$O02.5...@fx38.am4...
plastic drainpipes is only because its diluted with so much
water. Maybe you're suggesting there's no problem either
in storing it in old plastic milk bottles or plastic
lemonade bottles.
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>>
>> Just the same as wood.
>>
>> Which must come in handy when explining to the punters
>> why you're knocking up decking from piles of old pallets.
>
>
> Totally ridiculous analogy.
You're right. It would have been far better to suggest that
the body of your Makita or whatever it is drill, is made from
exactly the same stuff as are plastic milk or lemonade bottles
michael adams
...
> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>
>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being
>>> a
>>> problem.
>>
>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for donkey's
> years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the bottle would have a
> warning on it.
Not according to numerous websites. The fact it may not damage
>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>
>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being
>>> a
>>> problem.
>>
>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for donkey's
> years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the bottle would have a
> warning on it.
plastic drainpipes is only because its diluted with so much
water. Maybe you're suggesting there's no problem either
in storing it in old plastic milk bottles or plastic
lemonade bottles.
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>>
>> Just the same as wood.
>>
>> Which must come in handy when explining to the punters
>> why you're knocking up decking from piles of old pallets.
>
>
> Totally ridiculous analogy.
the body of your Makita or whatever it is drill, is made from
exactly the same stuff as are plastic milk or lemonade bottles
michael adams
...
David Lang
Apr 4, 2016, 12:03:42 PM4/4/16
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On 04/04/2016 14:22, Chris Hogg wrote:
> range of chemical compositions. Basically, anything that becomes
> moldable at moderate temperatures can be and is described as 'a
> plastic'.
>
> This, from http://tinyurl.com/huycaad
>
> Quote
> "Corrosivity to Non-Metals:
> Sulfuric acid attacks plastics, such as nylon (all concentrations),
> polyvinylidene chloride (50-100%), acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene
> (ABS) (60-100%), styrene acrylonitrile (SAN) (90-100%), polyurethane
> (rigid) (40-100%), polyetherether ketone (PEEK) (50-100%), olyethylene
> terephthalate (PET) (40-100%), high-density polyethylene (80-100%)
> (HDPE), thermoset polyester bisphenol A fumarate (80-100%), thermoset
> polyester isophathalic acid (70-100%), polystyrene (80-100%) and
> ethylene vinyl acetate (EVA)(75-100%); elastomers, such as butyl
> rubber (isobutylene isoprene) (80-100%), nitrile buna N (nitrile
> rubber) (90-100%), chloroprene (neoprene) (75-100%), isoprene
> (60-100%), natural rubber (60-100%), hard rubber (60-100%), soft
> rubber (30-100%), chlorosulfonated polyethylene (CSM) (90-100%),
> styrene-butadiene (SBR) (10-100%), polyacrylate (10-100%),
> polyurethane (10-100%), chlorinated polyethylene (all concentrations),
> nylon 11 and 12 (20-100%), silicone rubbers (120-100%), flexible
> polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (95-100%), low density polyethylene (LDPE)
> (90-100%) and ethylene vinyl acetate (50-100%); and coatings, such as
> coal tar epoxy (10-100%), general purpose epoxy (30-100%),
> chemical resistant epoxy (60-100%) and vinyls (90-100%). Sulfuric acid
> does not attack plastics, such as Teflon and other fluorocarbons, like
> ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE; Tefzel), ethylene
> chlorotrifluoroethylene (ECTFE; Halar) and chlorotrifluoroethylene
> (Kel-F) (all concentrations), polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (up to 96%),
> chlorinated polyvinyl chloride (CPVC) (up to 96%), polypropylene (up
> to 98%), acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene (ABS) (up to 50%),
> high-density polyethylene (up to 75%) (HDPE),ultrahigh molecular
> weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) (up to 100%), cross-linked polyethylene
> (XLPE) (up to 96%), polyetherether ketone (PEEK) (up to 50%) and
> polystyrene (up to 70%); elastomers, such as Viton A and other
> fluorocarbons, like Teflon, Chemraz Kalrez and Fluoraz, ethylene
> propylene(EP) (up to 100%), butyl rubber (isobutylene isoprene) (up to
> 80%), nitrile buna N (nitrile rubber) (up to 80%), chloroprene
> (neoprene) (up to 70%, flexible polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (up to 50%)
> and , low density polyethylene (LDPE) (up to 80%); and coatings, such
> as polyester (up to 80%), urethanes (up to 80%) and vinyls (up to
> 80%)."
> End quote
>
> The figures in brackets refer to the strengths of acid to which the
> particular plastic is vulnerable. Note that there are some plastics
> that are attacked by moderately dilute sulphuric acid, but not by
> concentrated sulphuric acid.
>
> So yes, sulphuric acid attacks 'plastic'. The fact that it's sold in a
> 'plastic' bottle, merely shows that the mfrs have carefully selected a
> suitable plastic for that purpose.
>
And the fact that it has been used for years without a problem shows
that the mfrs have carefully selected a suitable plastic for waste pipes.
Do you really think that B&Q, Wickes, Screwfix, Homebase, Amazon, Asda,
Plumbase, Robert Dyas, Tesco, Wilkinsons and every independent plumbers
merchant in the UK have been selling a product that damages waste pipes
for the last 20 years?
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:10:17 +0100, David Lang
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> LOL to that! Ignorance is bliss!
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
>>
>> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>
> 'Plastic' is an imprecise and generic term. 'Plastic' embraces a large
>> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>
> range of chemical compositions. Basically, anything that becomes
> moldable at moderate temperatures can be and is described as 'a
> plastic'.
>
> This, from http://tinyurl.com/huycaad
>
> Quote
> "Corrosivity to Non-Metals:
> Sulfuric acid attacks plastics, such as nylon (all concentrations),
> polyvinylidene chloride (50-100%), acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene
> (ABS) (60-100%), styrene acrylonitrile (SAN) (90-100%), polyurethane
> (rigid) (40-100%), polyetherether ketone (PEEK) (50-100%), olyethylene
> terephthalate (PET) (40-100%), high-density polyethylene (80-100%)
> (HDPE), thermoset polyester bisphenol A fumarate (80-100%), thermoset
> polyester isophathalic acid (70-100%), polystyrene (80-100%) and
> ethylene vinyl acetate (EVA)(75-100%); elastomers, such as butyl
> rubber (isobutylene isoprene) (80-100%), nitrile buna N (nitrile
> rubber) (90-100%), chloroprene (neoprene) (75-100%), isoprene
> (60-100%), natural rubber (60-100%), hard rubber (60-100%), soft
> rubber (30-100%), chlorosulfonated polyethylene (CSM) (90-100%),
> styrene-butadiene (SBR) (10-100%), polyacrylate (10-100%),
> polyurethane (10-100%), chlorinated polyethylene (all concentrations),
> nylon 11 and 12 (20-100%), silicone rubbers (120-100%), flexible
> polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (95-100%), low density polyethylene (LDPE)
> (90-100%) and ethylene vinyl acetate (50-100%); and coatings, such as
> coal tar epoxy (10-100%), general purpose epoxy (30-100%),
> chemical resistant epoxy (60-100%) and vinyls (90-100%). Sulfuric acid
> does not attack plastics, such as Teflon and other fluorocarbons, like
> ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE; Tefzel), ethylene
> chlorotrifluoroethylene (ECTFE; Halar) and chlorotrifluoroethylene
> (Kel-F) (all concentrations), polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (up to 96%),
> chlorinated polyvinyl chloride (CPVC) (up to 96%), polypropylene (up
> to 98%), acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene (ABS) (up to 50%),
> high-density polyethylene (up to 75%) (HDPE),ultrahigh molecular
> weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) (up to 100%), cross-linked polyethylene
> (XLPE) (up to 96%), polyetherether ketone (PEEK) (up to 50%) and
> polystyrene (up to 70%); elastomers, such as Viton A and other
> fluorocarbons, like Teflon, Chemraz Kalrez and Fluoraz, ethylene
> propylene(EP) (up to 100%), butyl rubber (isobutylene isoprene) (up to
> 80%), nitrile buna N (nitrile rubber) (up to 80%), chloroprene
> (neoprene) (up to 70%, flexible polyvinyl chloride (PVC) (up to 50%)
> and , low density polyethylene (LDPE) (up to 80%); and coatings, such
> as polyester (up to 80%), urethanes (up to 80%) and vinyls (up to
> 80%)."
> End quote
>
> The figures in brackets refer to the strengths of acid to which the
> particular plastic is vulnerable. Note that there are some plastics
> that are attacked by moderately dilute sulphuric acid, but not by
> concentrated sulphuric acid.
>
> So yes, sulphuric acid attacks 'plastic'. The fact that it's sold in a
> 'plastic' bottle, merely shows that the mfrs have carefully selected a
> suitable plastic for that purpose.
>
And the fact that it has been used for years without a problem shows
that the mfrs have carefully selected a suitable plastic for waste pipes.
Do you really think that B&Q, Wickes, Screwfix, Homebase, Amazon, Asda,
Plumbase, Robert Dyas, Tesco, Wilkinsons and every independent plumbers
merchant in the UK have been selling a product that damages waste pipes
for the last 20 years?
michael adams
Apr 4, 2016, 1:00:44 PM4/4/16
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"Chris Hogg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1u45gbd0l6jqms5rv...@4ax.com...
> So there's little doubt that One Shot is capable of attacking a great
> many plastics, including one commonly used in domestic waste
> situations. That is undeniable. But you make a reasonable point. I
> note that One Shot is described as a 'drain cleaner'. Perhaps the mfrs
> don't expect people to use it in domestic waste pipes, only drains,
> which may be less susceptible to attack than domestic waste pipes,
> especially if made of stoneware (not that much is, these days). If
> that's the case, it should be made clear. It's also possible that when
> the One Shot is poured into a domestic sink, for example, there's
> enough water in the trap to dilute it down to a safe concentration.
Indeed. On the B&Q web page
http://www.diy.com/departments/one-shot-drain-cleaner-bottle/254799_BQ.prd
they don't actually say it can be used on waste pipes. And given that
they claim it can dissolve "grease , rags, soap, paper towels in minutes"
it's rather surprising that the bottle itself, or the web page isn't
plasterd with hazard warnings; maybe other websites are more
informative. It's the "rags" bit there that seems a bit scary.
As most people will only discover they have a blocked waste pipe
as a result of the pipe filling with water maybe the product
is sufficiently diluted during those minutes when its dissolving
the grease , rags, soap, paper towels so as to not to effect
the plastic, or any joints.
>
> But there's still the case reported in the DM, for which the most
> obvious explanation is that the One Shot attacked and ate through the
> pipework.
>
michael adams
...
David Lang
Apr 4, 2016, 1:26:07 PM4/4/16
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On 04/04/2016 17:36, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:03:41 +0100, David Lang
>
> So there's little doubt that One Shot is capable of attacking a great
> many plastics, including one commonly used in domestic waste
> situations.
But in practice it doesn't.
> That is undeniable. But you make a reasonable point.
I do.
I
> note that One Shot is described as a 'drain cleaner'. Perhaps the mfrs
> don't expect people to use it in domestic waste pipes, only drains,
> which may be less susceptible to attack than domestic waste pipes,
> especially if made of stoneware (not that much is, these days). If
> that's the case, it should be made clear. It's also possible that when
> the One Shot is poured into a domestic sink, for example, there's
> enough water in the trap to dilute it down to a safe concentration.
From the One Shot website;
DO NOT USE ON ALUMINIUM, GALVANISED METAL, STAINLESS STEEL OR WASTE
DISPOSAL UNITS.
MAY ETCH ACID SENSITIVE PORCELAIN, ACRYLIC AND ENAMEL FIXTURES.
WILL NOT HARM IRON, STEEL, CLAY, LEAD, COPPER, PLASTIC PIPES OR HARM
SEPTIC TANKS WHEN USED AS DIRECTED.
>
> But there's still the case reported in the DM, for which the most
> obvious explanation is that the One Shot attacked and ate through the
> pipework.
>
I don't think we can entirely trust the DM to report things accurately.
We simply don't know what happened. The DM reported "But the liquid
was so strong that it melted the pipes, floor and ceiling".
How much did he use? Did he follow the instructions & flush?
The manufacturer clearly states that it will not harm plastic pipes.
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:03:41 +0100, David Lang
>
> So there's little doubt that One Shot is capable of attacking a great
> many plastics, including one commonly used in domestic waste
> situations.
> That is undeniable. But you make a reasonable point.
I
> note that One Shot is described as a 'drain cleaner'. Perhaps the mfrs
> don't expect people to use it in domestic waste pipes, only drains,
> which may be less susceptible to attack than domestic waste pipes,
> especially if made of stoneware (not that much is, these days). If
> that's the case, it should be made clear. It's also possible that when
> the One Shot is poured into a domestic sink, for example, there's
> enough water in the trap to dilute it down to a safe concentration.
DO NOT USE ON ALUMINIUM, GALVANISED METAL, STAINLESS STEEL OR WASTE
DISPOSAL UNITS.
MAY ETCH ACID SENSITIVE PORCELAIN, ACRYLIC AND ENAMEL FIXTURES.
WILL NOT HARM IRON, STEEL, CLAY, LEAD, COPPER, PLASTIC PIPES OR HARM
SEPTIC TANKS WHEN USED AS DIRECTED.
>
> But there's still the case reported in the DM, for which the most
> obvious explanation is that the One Shot attacked and ate through the
> pipework.
>
We simply don't know what happened. The DM reported "But the liquid
was so strong that it melted the pipes, floor and ceiling".
How much did he use? Did he follow the instructions & flush?
The manufacturer clearly states that it will not harm plastic pipes.
John Smith
Apr 4, 2016, 2:26:56 PM4/4/16
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concentrated acid and the heat from the reaction (not the acid) melted
a plastic pipe.
David Lang
Apr 4, 2016, 3:25:46 PM4/4/16
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sense to remove all the water, add the acid & replace the water.
I suspect pilot error played a large part.
Vir Campestris
Apr 4, 2016, 4:36:58 PM4/4/16
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On 04/04/2016 13:10, David Lang wrote:
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
I keep HCl for drains. It's in a plastic bottle.
>
> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
It ate my plastic tweezers, which I'd used because I thought they'd be
OK unlike the steel tools.
Andy
c...@isbd.net
Apr 5, 2016, 4:48:05 AM4/5/16
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the *acidity* of Sulphuric Acid that makes it so corrosive.
Concentrated Nitric Acid and Hydrochloric Acid don't even affect the
skin all that much, I remember simply washing spills off our hands at
school (not likely nowadays I suspect). Nitric Acid used to leave
yellow marks. Concentrated Sulphuric on the skin is another matter
altogether.
--
Chris Green
·
DerbyBorn
Apr 11, 2016, 5:23:07 AM4/11/16
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>
I hope you know the cause of the blockage and can fix it.
Poor plumbing? (A poorly cut pipe can attract hair and grease)
Grease?
Hair?
Soap made of animal fat - change to shower gel and liquid hand wash
newshound
Apr 11, 2016, 6:16:51 PM4/11/16
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On 4/4/2016 1:17 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/04/16 13:10, David Lang wrote:
>> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years
>>>> without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>>
>> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of
>> plastic???
>
> Pretty sure that it does, from A level chemistry.
>
> Its a very strong reducing agent IIRC. So any plastic with oxygen
> molecules in it is prone to attack
It's an oxidising agent.
> On 04/04/16 13:10, David Lang wrote:
>> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years
>>>> without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>>
>> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of
>> plastic???
>
> Pretty sure that it does, from A level chemistry.
>
> Its a very strong reducing agent IIRC. So any plastic with oxygen
> molecules in it is prone to attack
newshound
Apr 11, 2016, 6:24:58 PM4/11/16
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On 4/4/2016 2:22 PM, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:10:17 +0100, David Lang
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:10:17 +0100, David Lang
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2016 11:35, michael adams wrote:
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
>>> "David Lang" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:APgMy.731473$gz.3...@fx40.am4...
>>>>
>>>> It comes in a plastic bottle and has been around for twenty years without that being a
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Plastic's plastic, it's all the same stuff really.
>
> LOL to that! Ignorance is bliss!
>>
>>
>> As regards acid resistance it pretty much is, One Shot has been used for
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>
>> donkey's years. If it damaged plastic pipes it would be well known & the
>> bottle would have a warning on it.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence that sulphuric acid attacks any kind of plastic???
>
> 'Plastic' is an imprecise and generic term. 'Plastic' embraces a large
> range of chemical compositions. Basically, anything that becomes
> moldable at moderate temperatures can be and is described as 'a
> plastic'.
>
> This, from http://tinyurl.com/huycaad
>
That's from the MSDS of a sulphuric acid supplier. It's hardly
> range of chemical compositions. Basically, anything that becomes
> moldable at moderate temperatures can be and is described as 'a
> plastic'.
>
> This, from http://tinyurl.com/huycaad
>
surprising that they say it can attack almost anything.
A better strategy is to look at data from suppliers of plastics, and
many common plastics are reasonably resistant to sulphuric acid up to
"battery acid" strength. When you get stronger than this, or up to oleum
(fuming sulphuric acid) you need to be more careful.
There's also a big difference between leaving it in contact with
plastics for long periods, maybe years, and letting it soak in a trap
for half an hour before flushing it away with a large excess of water.
Martin Bonner
Apr 12, 2016, 5:01:44 AM4/12/16
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On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 00:24:58 UTC+2, newshound wrote:
> A better strategy is to look at data from suppliers of plastics, and
> many common plastics are reasonably resistant to sulphuric acid up to
> "battery acid" strength. When you get stronger than this, or up to oleum
> (fuming sulphuric acid) you need to be more careful.
Lovely stuff oleum. A saturated solution of sulphur trioxide in
> A better strategy is to look at data from suppliers of plastics, and
> many common plastics are reasonably resistant to sulphuric acid up to
> "battery acid" strength. When you get stronger than this, or up to oleum
> (fuming sulphuric acid) you need to be more careful.
pure sulphuric acid. (SO3 in H2SO4).
Very hydrophilic, and an extremely powerful oxidizing agent.
Димитър Тодоров
Sep 28, 2018, 8:14:05 AM9/28/18
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replying to John Smith, Димитър Тодоров wrote:
The main idea is to rapidly generate gases in combination with the acid to
unclog the drain. Bravely and quickly add the water and cover the drain with
some plastic cup to avoid splashing, because the gasses are so rapidly
generated, it sounds like a shot of a gun (hence one shot).
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/using-one-shot-drain-clearer-in-sinks-1120251-.htm
The main idea is to rapidly generate gases in combination with the acid to
unclog the drain. Bravely and quickly add the water and cover the drain with
some plastic cup to avoid splashing, because the gasses are so rapidly
generated, it sounds like a shot of a gun (hence one shot).
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/using-one-shot-drain-clearer-in-sinks-1120251-.htm
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