OT: Re-enabling Internet Explorer

[Fredxx]

Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after a
Windows 10 update.

Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
browser seems to work with this plugin.

So you can imagine my fury when I was automatically forwarded onto MS
Edge when putting in the IP address for this local resource. I was
screwed with a non-working viewer for our CCTV system.

One of the reason I delay updates is in the hope that someone else would
have the same issue. For anyone else who needs (wants) to use IE 11 then
follow the instructions here:

https://windowsloop.com/how-to-stop-internet-explorer-to-edge-redirect/

Option 1 doesn't exist after the update, No 2 did it for me. The plugin
still ran and I can see images again. :-)

[Tim Streater]

See my sig below.

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[Fredxx]

On 22/02/2023 12:48, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2023 at 12:25:40 GMT, "Fredxx" <fre...@spam.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after a
>> Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>>
>> So you can imagine my fury when I was automatically forwarded onto MS
>> Edge when putting in the IP address for this local resource. I was
>> screwed with a non-working viewer for our CCTV system.
>>
>> One of the reason I delay updates is in the hope that someone else would
>> have the same issue. For anyone else who needs (wants) to use IE 11 then
>> follow the instructions here:
>>
>> https://windowsloop.com/how-to-stop-internet-explorer-to-edge-redirect/
>>
>> Option 1 doesn't exist after the update, No 2 did it for me. The plugin
>> still ran and I can see images again. :-)
>
> See my sig below.

MS has a reputation of intentionally killing off perfectly good
platforms that still have their purpose. The two greatest things they
destroyed for me were MSN Messenger and Nokia. At least IE hasn't been
destroyed, yet!

[Jim gm4dhj ...]

ha ha hate microsoft

[Tim Streater]

I have as little to do with MS as possible. In normal home usage, it's limited
to Office 2016, in fact. Nothing else.

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[Jim gm4dhj ...]

they are always tring to get me to use edge ... very intrusive they are

[Jim gm4dhj ...]

On 22/02/2023 15:09, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

>
>
> Am 22/02/2023 um 12:25 schrieb Fredxx:
>>
>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after
>> a Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>
>

> What plugin is this? I haven't touched Bill Gates' rubbish for a while
> but I was once able to use old IE using Wine on Linux. However Wine is
> more like Windows XP than Windows 10 or 11.
>
I run 11 without the plug in...stuff them

[Andy Burns]

Ottavio Caruso wrote:

> Am 22/02/2023 um 12:25 schrieb Fredxx:
>>

>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after
>> a Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>

> What plugin is this?

At a first guess a Swann CCTV active-X plugin?

[John Rumm]

On 22/02/2023 12:25, Fredxx wrote:
>

They had added an IE compatibility mode to edge that seems to work with
most IE specific things including ActiveX controls etc. Once you get
redirected you can then select it from a menu, and tell it to remember
for next time. The site then acquires an IE icon on the edge address bar
a bit to the left of the URL.

It seems to work for the IE specific pages I have tried so far.

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[SH]

On 22/02/2023 12:25, Fredxx wrote:
>

Many CCTV recorders require the ActiveX plug in.

IE 11 was the last to support ActiveX plugins

Edge does not support ActiveX plugins at all

ActiveX is now deprecated due to the many security vulnerabilities.

I have the same problem as you, and I downloaded and installed Samsung
Smartviewer for my Samsung DVR to get round this and iPolis for my
mobile phones and tablets

Perhaps your DVR has a similar suite of software?

If not, you could run Windows 7 and IE explorer in a virtual machine?

Otherwise you could update the firmware in the DVR if one exists that
does not rely pm ActiveX?

otherwise its a new DVR time.

[SH]

On 22/02/2023 15:09, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>
>
> Am 22/02/2023 um 12:25 schrieb Fredxx:
>>

>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after
>> a Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>
>

> What plugin is this? I haven't touched Bill Gates' rubbish for a while
> but I was once able to use old IE using Wine on Linux. However Wine is
> more like Windows XP than Windows 10 or 11.
>

ActiveX

So anything requiring an ActiveX plug in a browser is now in difficulty....

[SH]

On 22/02/2023 17:44, John Rumm wrote:
> On 22/02/2023 12:25, Fredxx wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after
>> a Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>>
>> So you can imagine my fury when I was automatically forwarded onto MS
>> Edge when putting in the IP address for this local resource. I was
>> screwed with a non-working viewer for our CCTV system.
>>
>> One of the reason I delay updates is in the hope that someone else
>> would have the same issue. For anyone else who needs (wants) to use IE
>> 11 then follow the instructions here:
>>
>>
>> https://windowsloop.com/how-to-stop-internet-explorer-to-edge-redirect/
>>
>> Option 1 doesn't exist after the update, No 2 did it for me. The
>> plugin still ran and I can see images again. :-)
>
> They had added an IE compatibility mode to edge that seems to work with
> most IE specific things including ActiveX controls etc. Once you get
> redirected you can then select it from a menu, and tell it to remember
> for next time. The site then acquires an IE icon on the edge address bar
> a bit to the left of the URL.
>
> It seems to work for the IE specific pages I have tried so far.
>

that did not work for me in IE compatibility mode simply because Edge
won't download the ActiveX plugin as its not supported

[John Rumm]

IME It will once in IE mode - you need to re-open the page in IE mode
first, then ActiveX etc will load.

(I have a client that uses one CRM system that is very tied to IE (and
needs a whole bunch of security settings changed to even run on real IE.
Even that will work in Edge IE mode)

[John Rumm]

On 22/02/2023 18:21, SH wrote:
> On 22/02/2023 12:25, Fredxx wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after
>> a Windows 10 update.
>>
>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>>
>> So you can imagine my fury when I was automatically forwarded onto MS
>> Edge when putting in the IP address for this local resource. I was
>> screwed with a non-working viewer for our CCTV system.
>>
>> One of the reason I delay updates is in the hope that someone else
>> would have the same issue. For anyone else who needs (wants) to use IE
>> 11 then follow the instructions here:
>>
>>
>> https://windowsloop.com/how-to-stop-internet-explorer-to-edge-redirect/
>>
>> Option 1 doesn't exist after the update, No 2 did it for me. The
>> plugin still ran and I can see images again. :-)
>
>
> Many CCTV recorders require the ActiveX plug in.
>
> IE 11 was the last to support ActiveX plugins
>
> Edge does not support ActiveX plugins at all

<panto_mode>

Yes it does...

</panto_mode>

To be fair even real IE will block AxtiveX by default now - you need to
chage the security options in it (preferably only for trusted domains).

> ActiveX is now deprecated due to the many security vulnerabilities.

Indeed - but if you are running something within your org that requires
it and the alternative would be binning several £100K worth of
development effort, then you mitigate the risks and carry on!

> I have the same problem as you, and I downloaded and installed Samsung
> Smartviewer for my Samsung DVR to get round this and iPolis for my
> mobile phones and tablets
>
> Perhaps your DVR has a similar suite of software?
>
> If not, you could run Windows 7 and IE explorer in a virtual machine?

Yup that also works

> Otherwise you could update the firmware in the DVR if one exists that
> does not rely pm ActiveX?

Lots of kit of that type seems to rarely get updated alas.

[SH]

and IIRC correctly, IE mode in Edge is being withdrawn.....?

[Brian Gaff]

Yes I wondered about that when I heard Microsoft were disabling the code. At
least they did not wipe it entirely as they originally said.
There are some third party .net programs that use routines from IE, and I'd
suspect these would coast to work.
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

They killed off Outlook Express, though I have a hacked version. OK we all
know it had its problems, but surely they should have made a new client
along the same lines for Windows10 etc, since the interface is logical, and
it has newsgroups, which Outlook and Windows mail does not. I'm told that
you can still bodge it to work under 10 and 11, but every time an update
comes it gets disabled again. Unfortunately the third party OE classic has
accessibility problems. It may well look the same but if the API is bust,
then we can't use it. Even Third needs extensions and add ons to make it
work

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[soup]

On 22/02/2023 13:40, Fredxx wrote:
>. At least IE hasn't been
> destroyed, yet!

Tad out of touch. I thought IE had been discontinued and now everyone
gets Edge instead.

[Andy Burns]

Ottavio Caruso wrote:

> Isn't Active-X the most insecure piece of software ever?

It can be. I'm surprised after years of MS saying "IE is old and shit
and will be going away, you should stop using it" that when they do
finally get rid of it, they immediately bring it back as IEmode inside Edge.

In that case, wouldn't it have been safer to keep iexplore.exe so that
people who have dumped IE don't have to worry about hackers trying to
"trick" msedge.exe into running dodgy websites in IEmode?

[jim.gm4dhj]

On 23/02/2023 08:49, Brian Gaff wrote:
> They killed off Outlook Express, though I have a hacked version. OK we all
> know it had its problems, but surely they should have made a new client
> along the same lines for Windows10 etc, since the interface is logical, and
> it has newsgroups, which Outlook and Windows mail does not. I'm told that
> you can still bodge it to work under 10 and 11, but every time an update
> comes it gets disabled again. Unfortunately the third party OE classic has
> accessibility problems. It may well look the same but if the API is bust,
> then we can't use it. Even Third needs extensions and add ons to make it
> work
> Brian
>

MS mail is crap

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:51:08 +1100, Ottavio Caruso
<ottavio2006...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Isn't Active-X the most insecure piece of software ever?

Insecure, yes, but ever. nope.

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[John Rumm]

On 23/02/2023 08:49, Brian Gaff wrote:

> They killed off Outlook Express, though I have a hacked version. OK we all
> know it had its problems,

You mean being a buggy heap of doodoo?

> but surely they should have made a new client
> along the same lines for Windows10 etc, since the interface is logical, and
> it has newsgroups, which Outlook and Windows mail does not.

Alas there are few who care about usenet these days....

> I'm told that
> you can still bodge it to work under 10 and 11, but every time an update
> comes it gets disabled again. Unfortunately the third party OE classic has
> accessibility problems. It may well look the same but if the API is bust,
> then we can't use it. Even Third needs extensions and add ons to make it
> work

No native support for exchange mailboxes probably being the biggest
problem.

[John Rumm]

It is still installed - and you can run it if you try hard enough. IE
mode in edge does handle most stuff that used to *require* IE though.

[John Rumm]

On 23/02/2023 10:51, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>
>
> Am 22/02/2023 um 15:15 schrieb Andy Burns:

> Isn't Active-X the most insecure piece of software ever?

Sometimes, although you can nail it down bit by only allowing to
execute on domains you trust.

[SteveW]

On 24/02/2023 02:14, John Rumm wrote:
> On 23/02/2023 10:51, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 22/02/2023 um 15:15 schrieb Andy Burns:
>>> Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 22/02/2023 um 12:25 schrieb Fredxx:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today
>>>>> after a Windows 10 update.
>>>>>
>>>>> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
>>>>> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>>>>
>>>> What plugin is this?
>>>
>>> At a first guess a Swann CCTV active-X plugin?
>>>
>>
>> Isn't Active-X the most insecure piece of software ever?
>
> Sometimes, although you can nail it down  bit by only allowing to
> execute on domains you trust.

In the control systems world (at least the bit I have mainly worked in)
they lock everything down, isolate the network from all except the
required control system devices, firewall even the sections of that from
each other - and they have been known to epoxy up the USB ports.

They then run like that, needing nothing but updated antivirus databases
(from a locked down, dedicated laptop) and expected to keep the same
software versions and set-up for the next 30 years or more.

[David Merrell]

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-5, Fredxx wrote:
> Thanks to Microsoft I was unable to look at a CCTV system today after a
> Windows 10 update.
>
> Viewing images needs a plugin for Internet Explorer 11 and no other
> browser seems to work with this plugin.
>

> So you can imagine my fury when I was automatically forwarded onto MS
> Edge when putting in the IP address for this local resource. I was
> screwed with a non-working viewer for our CCTV system.
>
> One of the reason I delay updates is in the hope that someone else would
> have the same issue. For anyone else who needs (wants) to use IE 11 then
> follow the instructions here:
>
> https://windowsloop.com/how-to-stop-internet-explorer-to-edge-redirect/
>
> Option 1 doesn't exist after the update, No 2 did it for me. The plugin
> still ran and I can see images again. :-)

I have 3 Samsung systems, all different models and ages. 1 seemed to work fine using "IE Mode". Another kept telling me I haven't installed the plugin, or it was out of date when using IE Mode. I went into internet options under security, trusted sites and custom level. Then enabled or set to Prompt everything that has to do with active X and now it seems to be working with IE Mode. I don't know what has changed It appears you can set a specific site to automatically open with IE Mode but only for 30 days??. Hope this helps someone else.