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Mark

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Jul 7, 2013, 1:45:36 PM7/7/13
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Hi all...

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998504_10151735270732603_
1177627980_n.jpg

I have been making a rocking horse for my niece, it's nearly time to
paint it. I have some rustic brown fence paint by Cuprinol I bought from
Jacksons, is it safe to use this? The container doesn't say one way or
the other, just "Keep out of reach of children". I presume that's a
catch-all statement in case they try and swim in it or something.

It's a good horsey colour, so I'd like to use it if possible. If it's
not, would I be able to use it and seal it with some child safe varnish,
assuming I can source such a thing!

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

polygonum

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Jul 7, 2013, 1:53:36 PM7/7/13
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I'd ask them:

08444 817 817
Our Customer Advice Center is always happy to help should you have any
questions.

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ARW

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Jul 7, 2013, 2:08:13 PM7/7/13
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I wonder if "always" includes 7pm on a Sunday evening?

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polygonum

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Jul 7, 2013, 2:09:59 PM7/7/13
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Stop reading my mind... :-)

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fred

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Jul 7, 2013, 2:52:27 PM7/7/13
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In article <b3to94...@mid.individual.net>, polygonum
<rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> writes
>On 07/07/2013 18:45, Mark wrote:
>> Hi all...
>>
>> http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998504_10151735270732603_
>> 1177627980_n.jpg
>>
>> I have been making a rocking horse for my niece, it's nearly time to
>> paint it. I have some rustic brown fence paint by Cuprinol I bought from
>> Jacksons, is it safe to use this? The container doesn't say one way or
>> the other, just "Keep out of reach of children". I presume that's a
>> catch-all statement in case they try and swim in it or something.
>>
>> It's a good horsey colour, so I'd like to use it if possible. If it's
>> not, would I be able to use it and seal it with some child safe varnish,
>> assuming I can source such a thing!
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>I'd ask them:
>
Very good advice, a friend had a life threatening experience after
sooking on a stage prop cigar that had been coloured with a varnish
containing a toxic fungicide.
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harryagain

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Jul 7, 2013, 3:31:48 PM7/7/13
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"polygonum" <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote in message
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084=ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ ?


polygonum

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Jul 7, 2013, 3:57:04 PM7/7/13
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How much is a child's health worth?

If you want to penny-pinch then they do seem to accept email as well.

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Cash

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Jul 7, 2013, 4:38:36 PM7/7/13
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Having made many toys etc for the grandchildren, I personally wouldn't touch
any fence paints or solvent paints for these.

I always use the water based gloss or matt paints [1] - as does my daughter
when she hand-paints the various cartoon characters on them.

[1] These are reasonably priced, hard-wearing and safe to use where
kiddies are concerned (a toy box that I made many years ago, and has been
handed down to a couple of generations is still going strong with this stuff
[never been repainted]) - and there is usually a good colour range.

Cash


Vir Campestris

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Jul 7, 2013, 4:51:52 PM7/7/13
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On 07/07/2013 20:31, harryagain wrote:
>
> 084=ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ ?
08 anything is odd charging. I think 0844 is expensive, 0845 local rate,
so the extra digit matters.

Andy

polygonum

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Jul 7, 2013, 4:59:32 PM7/7/13
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Last 0844 I rang was 5p per minute on BT. No choice - GP surgery.

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ARW

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Jul 7, 2013, 5:27:40 PM7/7/13
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polygonum

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Jul 7, 2013, 5:33:03 PM7/7/13
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That looks related to my response re GP? Yes - our surgery now has a
standard local geographic number as well as 0844 but you only find that
out when you go there and see a scrap of paper taped on the lower part
of the reception desk.

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Brian Gaff

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Jul 8, 2013, 2:31:23 AM7/8/13
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I found that on some woods it kind of never dried and left the wood sort of
greasy to the touch, so wonder if anything would stick to it.
Brian

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Vir Campestris

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Jul 8, 2013, 3:40:25 AM7/8/13
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On 07/07/2013 21:38, Cash wrote:
> Having made many toys etc for the grandchildren, I personally wouldn't touch
> any fence paints or solvent paints for these.

I'd be careful of fence paint (does it have preservative poisons in it?
is the think to check) but solvent based paints should be fine. They
_used_ to have lead, so you have to be careful of really old furniture,
but anything you can buy now will be fine.

Andy

Martin Brown

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Jul 8, 2013, 4:04:01 AM7/8/13
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On 07/07/2013 18:45, Mark wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998504_10151735270732603_
> 1177627980_n.jpg
>
> I have been making a rocking horse for my niece, it's nearly time to
> paint it. I have some rustic brown fence paint by Cuprinol I bought from
> Jacksons, is it safe to use this? The container doesn't say one way or
> the other, just "Keep out of reach of children". I presume that's a
> catch-all statement in case they try and swim in it or something.

Fence paints are likely to contain pigments and fungicides that are
somewhat hostile to humans on skin contact. Their primary objective is
to stop rot and repel water at all costs. Garden furniture paint is a
bit better but for a childs plaything indoors you probably want a paint
using pigments and resins that are reasonably benign even when eaten!
>
> It's a good horsey colour, so I'd like to use it if possible. If it's
> not, would I be able to use it and seal it with some child safe varnish,
> assuming I can source such a thing!
>
> Thanks in advance.

Getting something to stick to the fence paint might be problematic.

Why can't horsey be a nice antique pine colour varnished one?

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Gordon Henderson

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Jul 8, 2013, 4:09:25 AM7/8/13
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In article <krcfca$5gr$1...@dont-email.me>,
harryagain <harol...@aol.com> wrote:
>084=ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ ?

From a standard BT line, it's services up to 5p a minute. (So could be
less, depending on the telco), and could be more, typically from
mobile telcos.

All in all for a bit of advice from those who know, it's not a lot to
pay.

Gordon

Cash

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Jul 8, 2013, 4:58:49 PM7/8/13
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Andy,

Thanks for the reply, and having been in the wood trade for more than 50
years, I'm well aware of the points that you have made, but I will *not* use
any solvent [1] or 'fence' paints on the stuff that I make for use by
children.

As for working on 'old furniture', I leave that to the antique repairers as
I have no interest with that sort of woodwork.

As for 'buying paint' - many technical conversations with paint rep's (along
with all the technical specs that they've given me over the years) has given
me a fair idea of what the stuff contains (new specifications produced since
my retirement excepted).

[1] For the pedants amongst us - I'm also well aware that *water* is the
most prolific solvent on the planet. It is also the safest. <vbg>


Thanks

Cash


polygonum

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Jul 8, 2013, 5:06:53 PM7/8/13
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On 07/07/2013 21:38, Cash wrote:
> Having made many toys etc for the grandchildren, I personally wouldn't touch
> any fence paints or solvent paints for these.

That is the advice I'd expect Cuprinol to give, if asked.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Jul 8, 2013, 7:01:19 PM7/8/13
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In article <MPG.2c43b997...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Mark <mark....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I have been making a rocking horse for my niece, it's nearly time to
> paint it. I have some rustic brown fence paint by Cuprinol I bought from
> Jacksons, is it safe to use this? The container doesn't say one way or
> the other, just "Keep out of reach of children". I presume that's a
> catch-all statement in case they try and swim in it or something.

Just the name would put me off - Cuprinol is mainly known for wood
preservatives.

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Andrew Gabriel

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Jul 9, 2013, 6:04:58 AM7/9/13
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In article <b3u35p...@mid.individual.net>,
They were told to stop using those numbers a while back.

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polygonum

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Jul 9, 2013, 6:20:29 AM7/9/13
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On 09/07/2013 11:04, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <b3u35p...@mid.individual.net>,
> polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> writes:
>> On 07/07/2013 21:51, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>> On 07/07/2013 20:31, harryagain wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 084=ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ ?
>>> 08 anything is odd charging. I think 0844 is expensive, 0845 local rate,
>>> so the extra digit matters.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Last 0844 I rang was 5p per minute on BT. No choice - GP surgery.
>
> They were told to stop using those numbers a while back.
>
Absolutely they were. Unfortunately I have more important battles to
fight on the health front.

They have got a real geographical local number but it does not appear on
their website where you would look. Indeed, their whole approach to
internet access has been crap. For example, about once a month they
close for a whole day for training. But you'd never know unless you go
into the surgery because it never appears on website. And you can order
a prescription on-line, you can get a confirmation it has been received,
a reminder in case you have forgotten to pick it up, but nothing to tell
you that it has now been done. So time after time, having allowed the
required period, I go in and find it has not yet been done... It is
almost never a problem, but if I knew I could delay going in to pick it up.

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Jim K

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Jul 9, 2013, 8:12:19 AM7/9/13
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nah dodgy ground.

Look at Osmo's coloured hardwax oils, sure I got some small sample pots from ebay when I stained up a new ITW bed frame...
Lots of colours and can mix 'em too.
Vegetable oils, waxes & pigments
Think they also do a "child safe" range too...

Jim K

polygonum

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Jul 9, 2013, 8:22:37 AM7/9/13
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On 09/07/2013 13:12, Jim K wrote:
> nah dodgy ground.
>
> Look at Osmo's coloured hardwax oils, sure I got some small sample pots from ebay when I stained up a new ITW bed frame...
> Lots of colours and can mix 'em too.
> Vegetable oils, waxes & pigments
> Think they also do a "child safe" range too...

Beginning to wonder if it was a trolling question. OP has not been back...

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Mark

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Jul 10, 2013, 1:50:54 PM7/10/13
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In article <b40nvj...@mid.individual.net>, rmoud...@vrod.co.uk
says...
Bang on.

"Thank you for your email.

I would not recommend to use any Cuprinol product to paint the rocking
horse you have mae. I would choose something form our Dulux interior
wood range as per link below, I do hope this helps.

http://www.dulux.co.uk/products/woodsheen

If you have any further queries please feel free to contact me and I
will be happy to help.

Yours sincerely

Joanne Zawadzki

Customer Advisor
AkzoNobel Advice Centre
AkzoNobel
ICI Paints,
Wexham Road,
Slough,
Berkshire,
SL2 5DS"

Mark

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Jul 10, 2013, 1:51:34 PM7/10/13
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In article <b42dki...@mid.individual.net>, rmoud...@vrod.co.uk
says...
It isn't. I have other projects on :)

polygonum

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Jul 10, 2013, 1:54:08 PM7/10/13
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Apologies for suggesting you looked troll-like - and thank you for
reporting back clearly and fully. :-)

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Cash

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Jul 10, 2013, 4:30:16 PM7/10/13
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Good company that you chose Mark, I used to deal with their technical reps
and always had good advice off them - even if on the odd occasion it did
seem an unbelievable resolution to a problem at the time, it was *always*
right and getting me out of a 'hole'.

Thanks for the update

Cash


Vir Campestris

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Jul 11, 2013, 5:45:24 PM7/11/13
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On 08/07/2013 21:58, Cash wrote:
> I'm well aware of the points that you have made, but I will*not* use
> any solvent [1] or 'fence' paints on the stuff that I make for use by
> children

I don't understand why you think that having been dissolved in a
non-aqueous solvent implied that the remainder of the paint is poisonous.

As you've been in the business so long - what am I missing?

Andy
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