Obtaining daily smartmeter readings (EON)

[Pamela]

I get electricity from E.ON and a few months ago I had one of their
smartmeters installed. I don't have a meter for gas.

Is it possible to download ALL my meter reading data from the EON site?
Perhaps as a CSV file.

The site shows my monthly readings but I understand the smartmeter sends
readings daily. I would be happy to get just weekly readings but monthly
is too infrequent for my purpose at the moment.

[alan_m]

I have the option with my supplier (Octopus) for 30 minute readings and
they can be downloaded as csv file

As a test I've just downloaded 10,000+ readings starting from when my
smart meter was commissioned.


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[David Wade]

On 24/09/2022 19:59, Pamela wrote:

There does not seem to be a web site where you can view this for EON.
When I had Octopus they had this data on the web site.

Its very annoying as there are some android apps that let me view but
not download this data...

Dave

[RJH]

I've had some success with the Bright app/web site. I forget the details
off-hand, and it took some unscrambling, but I did manage to download all
except recent data.

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[Andy Burns]

Pamela wrote:

> I get electricity from E.ON and a few months ago I had one of their
> smartmeters installed. I don't have a meter for gas.
>
> Is it possible to download ALL my meter reading data from the EON site?
> Perhaps as a CSV file.

when I was with e.on the default was monthly readings, their website allowed you
to opt for daily (or 1/2 hourly I forget exactly) readings.

[Theo]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Pamela wrote:
>
> > I get electricity from E.ON and a few months ago I had one of their
> > smartmeters installed. I don't have a meter for gas.
> >
> > Is it possible to download ALL my meter reading data from the EON site?
> > Perhaps as a CSV file.
>
> when I was with e.on the default was monthly readings, their website allowed you
> to opt for daily (or 1/2 hourly I forget exactly) readings.

In other words, the meter doesn't take daily or half-hourly readings unless
you opt in to do that. It isn't taking them and then not showing them to
you, which means you can't look at them retrospectively.

Theo

[Robin]

AIUI all SMETS2 meters /store/ half-hourly readings* but suppliers can
only /use/ them from domestic customers if they opt in.


*3 months for gas; 12 months for electricity



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[Brian Gaff]

EDF asked me what interval I wanted to set mine too, half hourly was the
default.
I'm not sure how you might know but the app certainly allows the readings
to be seen, but then you can see these or hear them in my case on the user
display anyway, if you are suspicious. I have no gas.
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[alan_m]

On 25/09/2022 08:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> Pamela wrote:
>
>> I get electricity from E.ON and a few months ago I had one of their
>> smartmeters installed.  I don't have a meter for gas.
>>
>> Is it possible to download ALL my meter reading data from the EON site?
>> Perhaps as a CSV file.
>
> when I was with e.on the default was monthly readings, their website
> allowed you to opt for daily (or 1/2 hourly I forget exactly) readings.

The options I have with Octopus is 30 minutes, daily or monthly but with
the warning "If you choose daily or monthly reporting, you will not be
able to access your half-hourly data through us." I'm not sure if this
means I cannot go back to 30 minutes after selecting another period.

Octopus also show usage bar charts for daily, weekly, monthly or yearly
consumption for both electricity and gas BUT only for the current period
in question - daily will only be for today*, I cannot go back 3 days for
example. Weekly will only be for today and the previous 6 days and only
show 7 values, monthly will be for today an the previous 29/30 days and
show 30/31 values.

As I indicated in another post, I can download 10,000+ off 30 minute
meter readings since my meters were commissioned.

* starts and ends at midnight and at times the information is so delayed
that it may not be useful. For instance as I write this at 10:30am only
the readings for 0:30 and 1:00 are shown.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p7uvihd2uq2vg0c7a...@4ax.com>,
Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Not answering your question, but I'm with OVO (not particularly out of
> choice, but got dumped there when OVO took over SSE's domestic
> customer base and ATM ICBA to change). I have a smart meter and an
> IHD6 in-house display. On the meter, the SW, WAN and HAN lights flash
> regularly. Gas is not monitored by this meter. AIUI the HAN connection
> is between the meter and the in-house display (Bluetooth or similar?).

> Is it possible to intercept those HAN signals and display them
> directly on a computer or smart phone, either directly via a dongle or
> an App or similar or via my BT hub?

There is a free app for phones which displays usage. Called Loop. Not
investigated it, though. Wondering why it is free.

I'm waiting until SMS gives me a working properly IHD. My meters for both
were only installed a few weeks ago, and the supplied IHD only reads gas,
and the price shown obviously from an old tarrif.

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[Robin]

On 25/09/2022 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <p7uvihd2uq2vg0c7a...@4ax.com>,
> Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Not answering your question, but I'm with OVO (not particularly out of
>> choice, but got dumped there when OVO took over SSE's domestic
>> customer base and ATM ICBA to change). I have a smart meter and an
>> IHD6 in-house display. On the meter, the SW, WAN and HAN lights flash
>> regularly. Gas is not monitored by this meter. AIUI the HAN connection
>> is between the meter and the in-house display (Bluetooth or similar?).
>
>> Is it possible to intercept those HAN signals and display them
>> directly on a computer or smart phone, either directly via a dongle or
>> an App or similar or via my BT hub?
>
> There is a free app for phones which displays usage. Called Loop. Not
> investigated it, though. Wondering why it is free.
>

Possibly 'cos it doesn't work until you buy a "loop clip" - something
they try very hard to leave you discover only after you have installed
the app. I never did find the price as I refuse to deal with anyone so
devious.

[Robin]

Oh, I forgot to add: it seems to be just a clamp meter so it doesn't
talk to the meter. And I don't know how if it deals properly with power
factors < 1.

[Theo]

There's another app called 'Bright' from Hildegard/Glowmarkt, that talks to
the DCC to get your smart meter usage. They sell a device to allow realtime
data, but you can just run the app without buying their device if
half-hourly readings are enough. It gets half-hourly readings a few mins
after the half-hour, IMX.

Once you've set that up there's an API to get the data out of Hildegard -
for example there's a Home Assistant plugin.

Theo

[Andy Burns]

Theo wrote:

> They sell a device to allow realtime data, but you can just run the app
> without buying their device if half-hourly readings are enough. It gets
> half-hourly readings a few mins after the half-hour, IMX.

I was under the impression that when I set half-hourly readings, they were only
actually sent once per day? Maybe that's older meters, mine's been dumb for
many years.

[Robin]

Me too. Though I think DCC are working on a change to allow readings to
be sent every half hour as part of the move to half-hourly settlement.

[Theo]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> I was under the impression that when I set half-hourly readings, they were
> only actually sent once per day? Maybe that's older meters, mine's been
> dumb for many years.

I have just tried it, refreshing until the reading came through. The
reading for '15:00', being the period 15:00-15:30, came through at 15:38.


This is a SMETS2 meter on Octopus. I'm surprised it does that - I thought
they would batch readings to reduce WAN traffic.

Theo

[Robin]

On 25/09/2022 15:41, Theo wrote:
> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> I was under the impression that when I set half-hourly readings, they were
>> only actually sent once per day? Maybe that's older meters, mine's been
>> dumb for many years.
>
> I have just tried it, refreshing until the reading came through. The
> reading for '15:00', being the period 15:00-15:30, came through at 15:38.

ta for a tasty bit of empirical evidence

> This is a SMETS2 meter on Octopus. I'm surprised it does that - I thought
> they would batch readings to reduce WAN traffic.

I did read somewhere that DCC expect a 500% increase in network traffic
over the next few years

[David Wade]

Loop now seems to talk to the smart meter.

Dave

[Robin]

Thanks. Re-visiting the site I see they have now stopped selling the
clip and say they can "read from your Smart Meter". But I note they
also they refer to their "partner" N3rgy Data Ltd. So I suspect they
are actually - like other apps - accessing the data the meter has sent
to DCC. I've seen other apps openly explain that's what they do.

[Pamela]

Perhaps customer consent is required, although I don;t know how or where
to provide it. On the "EON Next" app, under "Usage" it says:

"Why can't I see all my historical smart meter data?"

"There may be some account or consent specific reasons for why you
can't see your historical smart meter data".

[Andy Burns]

Pamela wrote:

> Perhaps customer consent is required, although I don;t know how or where
> to provide it. On the "EON Next" app

Ahh ...

E.on Next is isn't *exactly* E.on, it's the old nPower Direct that E.on
purchased from RWE.

[David Wade]

From:-

https://www.eonenergy.com/About-eon/media-centre/eon-migration-two-million-npower-customers-eon-next/

“The next step is moving all E.ON energy customers – millions of homes
and hundreds of thousands of small businesses around the country – to
E.ON Next. This step is vital in building more effective and responsive
relationships with our customers, because it is in their homes and
businesses that changes are needed in order to combat the climate
crisis; that means creating warmer, healthier, more comfortable homes
and more efficient and cost-effective businesses.”

so it is intended that E.on will become E.on next. All new customers go
there (I am a new customer)...

Dave

[Andy Burns]

David Wade wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> E.on Next is isn't *exactly* E.on, it's the old nPower Direct that E.on
>> purchased from RWE.
>

> so it is intended that E.on will become E.on next. All new customers go there (I
> am a new customer)...

yes it's intended, they've been saying that for about 6 months, but the eon next
and eon energy customers are on different platforms, hence why they may have
different options re: smartmeter billing e.g. I think nPower actually developed
and provide the Octopus backend which is much newer then the eon/powergen
backend ...

[alan_m]

https://octopus.energy/press/eon-completes-migration-of-two-million-former-npower-customers-to-eon-next-in-record-speed/

[Andy Burns]

They did those first, but AFAIK not yet the eon.energy customers?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <b8cf01dc-8ffa-fd65...@outlook.com>,

Ah - thanks. I was right in thinking there was a catch somewhere.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <i8b*RD...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,

I think the smart meter only sends out readings once in a while. If I fire
up my IHD, it takes some time before it shows a reading. Half hour could
well be the case.

Since the gas meter is battery powered, it would need a pretty massive
battery if it were 'on' all the time?

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[Theo]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> I think the smart meter only sends out readings once in a while. If I fire
> up my IHD, it takes some time before it shows a reading. Half hour could
> well be the case.

The electricity watt readings should update regularly - every 5 or 10
seconds. I don't think it should take a long time for the IHD to register.
The 'cost for today' numbers may update less frequently.

> Since the gas meter is battery powered, it would need a pretty massive
> battery if it were 'on' all the time?

I've never had a smart gas meter, but I don't think you typically get
second-by-second readings from those anyway. So I could imagine they will
connect less often.

Theo

[Robin]

As I mentioned before, the meter (or more strictly the comms hub that
usually sits on top of the leccy meter) sends data to the IHD more often
than to the WAN. When you get electricity showing on your IHD you'll
see what it shows as current use for that responds within ~10 seconds
changes. Gas is different because, as you point out, the gas meter
needs to nurse its battery so it only reports every 30 minutes.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <l8b*UZ...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,

Theo <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think the smart meter only sends out readings once in a while. If I
> > fire up my IHD, it takes some time before it shows a reading. Half
> > hour could well be the case.

> The electricity watt readings should update regularly - every 5 or 10
> seconds. I don't think it should take a long time for the IHD to
> register. The 'cost for today' numbers may update less frequently.

Could be. I'll report if they ever get my IHD to show the electric meter.
Three phone calls to SMS with the same reply - it takes time to programme
it. Yet my nearby mate's one, done a couple of weeks before, worked
straight out of the box.

> > Since the gas meter is battery powered, it would need a pretty massive
> > battery if it were 'on' all the time?

> I've never had a smart gas meter, but I don't think you typically get
> second-by-second readings from those anyway. So I could imagine they
> will connect less often.

I assumed the electric meter - having power all the time - did the heavy
lifting. And the gas meter simply a low power link to that.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <1c949e41-73bf-dcf8...@outlook.com>,

Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> As I mentioned before, the meter (or more strictly the comms hub that
> usually sits on top of the leccy meter) sends data to the IHD more often
> than to the WAN. When you get electricity showing on your IHD you'll
> see what it shows as current use for that responds within ~10 seconds
> changes. Gas is different because, as you point out, the gas meter
> needs to nurse its battery so it only reports every 30 minutes.

I managed to get the second installer who called to mount the comms hob
alongside the meter. As no space for the full thing between the CU and
alarm panel - where the old meter was. First installer said the CU would
have to be moved.

The smart meter - with connector to the comms unit fitted - is (near)
exactly the same size as the old meter, height wise.

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[David Wade]

On 26/09/2022 14:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <b8cf01dc-8ffa-fd65...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 25/09/2022 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <p7uvihd2uq2vg0c7a...@4ax.com>,
>>> Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> Not answering your question, but I'm with OVO (not particularly out of
>>>> choice, but got dumped there when OVO took over SSE's domestic
>>>> customer base and ATM ICBA to change). I have a smart meter and an
>>>> IHD6 in-house display. On the meter, the SW, WAN and HAN lights flash
>>>> regularly. Gas is not monitored by this meter. AIUI the HAN connection
>>>> is between the meter and the in-house display (Bluetooth or similar?).
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to intercept those HAN signals and display them
>>>> directly on a computer or smart phone, either directly via a dongle or
>>>> an App or similar or via my BT hub?
>>>
>>> There is a free app for phones which displays usage. Called Loop. Not
>>> investigated it, though. Wondering why it is free.
>>>
>
>> Possibly 'cos it doesn't work until you buy a "loop clip" - something
>> they try very hard to leave you discover only after you have installed
>> the app. I never did find the price as I refuse to deal with anyone so
>> devious.
>
> Ah - thanks. I was right in thinking there was a catch somewhere.
>

Loop clip no longer needed. Works just fine getting data from DCC.
Also Bright works well.

I expect that they will try and sell additional services..

DaVe

[Harry Bloomfield Esq]

On 24/09/2022 19:59, Pamela wrote:
> The site shows my monthly readings but I understand the smartmeter sends
> readings daily. I would be happy to get just weekly readings but monthly
> is too infrequent for my purpose at the moment.

The system allows for options of monthly, weekly, or every 30 minute
reading, with the batches of data uploaded once per day overnight, but
you have to select the option you want.