Phone wiring (Virgin)

[DerbyBorn]

I need to re-route my phone cabling. Currently it goes to a box outside
that was BT but now has a cable from Virgin coming into it.

It appears that two cores from the Virgin cable are used (sort of crimped)
and some cores are still connected to the BT Terminal Block.

What should I be expecting and what might I need to renew the cable into
the house?

[Graham.]

It was probably wrong of VM to use the T box, but no matter.

The "crimps" you se are probably IDC jelly filled connectors
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-WIRE-TELEPHONE-JELLY-CRIMPS-8A-TELECOM-CONNECTOR-x-100-/300781658196?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Electrical_Fittings_MJ&hash=item4607fbe054
you don't need a special tool to use them.

Just rewire to a master socket using 2 or 3 pair telephone wire or
even solid core CAT5.

Don't worry about the BT line, if you ever need to use it again you
will have a spare pair to connect it up.

--
Graham.

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[DerbyBorn]

Graham. <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:n04ip8dikh0juuc1f...@4ax.com:

Yes - there are two jelly crimps (wondered what they were). Do I only need
to worry about these two cores then?

If so, then could I abandon the BT grey box with a sliding cover and wire
back to the brown VM box?

[Graham.]

Yes, that is the ideal way, as I said strictly speaking VM shouldn't
have been using BTs existing cable to get into your house.

Yes, just the two wires, just make sure you pick two in your new cable
that are mutually twisted together, convention dictates you use the
blue & white + white & blue pair first, but it doesn't really matter.


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Graham.

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[DerbyBorn]

Graham. <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:9qnip8h575tk2o2ug...@4ax.com:

> have been using BTs existing cable to get into your house.
>
> Yes, just the two wires, just make sure you pick two in your new cable
> that are mutually twisted together, convention dictates you use the
> blue & white + white & blue pair first, but it doesn't really matter.
>
>

Many thanks. I assume that VM hooked into the nearby BT box to avoid re-
wiring the master socket in the house. Just a couple of feet of cable
needed instead of many metres.

[fred]

In article <XnsA1C653F0DADD4jo...@69.16.185.247>,
DerbyBorn <train....@ntlworld.com> writes

Ignoring any legal issues, they have royally fookd any chance of you or
a subsequent occupier going back to BT for anything less than a full
install charge.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

[DerbyBorn]

>

I have looked in the brown VM box and can confirm that two cores link
across to the old BT Box.

Could I just take a new cable from an internal master socket to the VM
Box? Do I have to use 6 core even though only 2 are used? What is the
legallity?

[Dave Liquorice]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:15:25 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

> Could I just take a new cable from an internal master socket to the VM
> Box? Do I have to use 6 core even though only 2 are used?

You have some spares... just make sure you pick a pair ie the same colour
plus white for each wire. Normally it would be white/blue blue/white for
the A and B wires.

> What is the legallity?

You shouldn't be messing with anything before the Master Socket. Strictly
speaking VM shouldn't have hi-jacked the grey BT box outside, the BT
wiring and the BT box inside but run their own cable from their external
box to their own internal box.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[DerbyBorn]

. Normally it would be white/blue
> blue/white for the A and B wires.
>
>> What is the legallity?
>
> You shouldn't be messing with anything before the Master Socket.
> Strictly speaking VM shouldn't have hi-jacked the grey BT box outside,
> the BT wiring and the BT box inside but run their own cable from their
> external box to their own internal box.
>

Hi-jack sums it up I guess. VM fitted their own Master Socket alongside the
BT one and moved the BT cable across to it (but oddly left 2 cores
connected in the BT Master Socket.
I was hoping to avoid paying VM to re-route my internal wiring. Guess I
just might DIY it and claim the builder did it!

[phil...@gmail.com]

Are we sure the OP hasn't got an external BT NTE?

[Dave Liquorice]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 01:49:03 -0700 (PDT), phil...@gmail.com wrote:

>> I was hoping to avoid paying VM to re-route my internal wiring. Guess
>> I just might DIY it and claim the builder did it!

It's not difficult, make a neat job with suitable cable and parts and any
engineer who visits won't bat an eyelid. Just don't do it in the rain,
soaking wet, as the 50 V DC does hurt. DAMHIKT...

> Are we sure the OP hasn't got an external BT NTE?

OP has described a Block Terminal 66B (small grey box with sliding lid).

--
Cheers
Dave.

[DerbyBorn]

>
> It's not difficult, make a neat job with suitable cable and parts and
> any engineer who visits won't bat an eyelid. Just don't do it in the
> rain, soaking wet, as the 50 V DC does hurt. DAMHIKT...
>
>> Are we sure the OP hasn't got an external BT NTE?
>
> OP has described a Block Terminal 66B (small grey box with sliding
> lid).
>

I have a Brown VM box that has a couple of feet of cable running to the BT
External Grey Box with a lid that slides up. Inside I have a Master Socket
supplied by Virgin - next to one supplied by BT

[DerbyBorn]

DerbyBorn <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:XnsA1C8AF45255B0jo...@81.171.92.236:

I believe my internal socket is a NTE5 socket - with unpluggable half
faceplate.