Emulsion paint in aircraft?

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?

I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
best way of transporting it in a suitcase?

I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer
it into a couple of plastic bottles?

From past experience tools and materials have not always ended up at
the destination airport so I wat to minimise the risk of not meeting
up with my case.


Regards


AB

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[Adrian]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:09:02 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>
> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>
> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just tape
> the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer it into
> a couple of plastic bottles?
>
> From past experience tools and materials have not always ended up at the
> destination airport so I wat to minimise the risk of not meeting up with
> my case.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Don't they sell paint in Ireland?

[Phil L]

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>
> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>
> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
> tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer
> it into a couple of plastic bottles?
>
> From past experience tools and materials have not always ended up at
> the destination airport so I wat to minimise the risk of not meeting
> up with my case.

Paint isn't allowed on a plane, yes I know it's water based but they still
won't allow it as they can't test it.

Even if they did allow it, as it's a liquid it would need to be in 100ml
bottles, my advice: buy it in Ireland

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

No time.

I will be pushed to the limit as it is.

The outlet is 18 miles from the place of work. A trip to the hardware
store is something I'm very familiar with, but it ends up with half
the day gone.

I thought the limits only applied to cabin baggage?

Sadly I have no real alternative available, so if it isn't permitted,
I'll just have to live with it.

I must admit it would be nice to take it to the airport anyway, the
staff there must be getting a bit bored with only confiscating
terminal drivers from me :-)


Anyway thanks for the replies

[The Natural Philosopher]

ship it by courier

> I must admit it would be nice to take it to the airport anyway, the
> staff there must be getting a bit bored with only confiscating
> terminal drivers from me :-)
>
>
> Anyway thanks for the replies
>
>
>
> AB
>
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[ARW]

"Adrian" <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't they sell paint in Ireland?

Only the EU shite stuff. Not proper British paint.

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[Nightjar]

On 26-Jun-16 5:09 PM, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>
> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>
> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
> tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer

> it into a couple of plastic bottles?..

Speak to the airline. The CAA rules do not ban water based paints and,
in theory, you don't need permission from the airline, but they may
refuse to carry it if they don't like the way it is packed.


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[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:01:43 +0100, Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk>
wrote:

I'll do that.

I had a problem some time back with oil filled pressure gauges
dribbling all over my toolbox, so I thought a couple of empty Coke
bottles should take a bar or so pressure difference particularily if I
expel any air.

Thanks

[Tim Watts]

Not in hold baggage.

[Nightjar]

On 26-Jun-16 5:56 PM, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:09:02 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp

> <pustule.oozin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>>
>> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
>> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>>
>> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
>> tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer
>> it into a couple of plastic bottles?
>>
>>From past experience tools and materials have not always ended up at
>> the destination airport so I wat to minimise the risk of not meeting
>> up with my case.
>
>

> Whatever you do, don't let it go in the hold, as they aren't always
> pressurised, and the tins will just burst open. When I was gainfully
> employed, we would get samples of raw materials from customers for us
> to work on, in heavy duty poly bags, several bags together in a large
> cardboard box, air-freighted. They invariably arrived with the bags
> split open! Maybe holds on passenger aircraft are pressurised, when
> the problem probably won't arise, but can you be sure? Awfully messy
> if they're not.

It certainly would be awfully messy if the hold were not pressurised;
the cabin floor would collapse. As you say, air freight is different, as
some freight aircraft only have a pressurised cockpit.

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[Tim+]

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp <pustule.oozin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:20:18 +0100, "Phil L"
> <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
>>> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>>>
>>> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
>>> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>>>
>>> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
>>> tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer
>>> it into a couple of plastic bottles?
>>>
>>> From past experience tools and materials have not always ended up at
>>> the destination airport so I wat to minimise the risk of not meeting
>>> up with my case.
>>
>> Paint isn't allowed on a plane, yes I know it's water based but they still
>> won't allow it as they can't test it.
>>
>> Even if they did allow it, as it's a liquid it would need to be in 100ml
>> bottles, my advice: buy it in Ireland
>>
> No time.
>
> I will be pushed to the limit as it is.
>
> The outlet is 18 miles from the place of work. A trip to the hardware
> store is something I'm very familiar with, but it ends up with half
> the day gone.
>
> I thought the limits only applied to cabin baggage?

They do. You can take more in hold luggage.

That said, most airlines have a justifiable abhorrence to carrying anything
that might burst or leak all over other customers luggage so even if it's
safe, it'll almost certainly be refused.

Phone the airline for gospel rather than rely on misinformation here.

Tim

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[jim]

Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> Phone the airline for gospel rather than rely on misinformation here.

+2

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[Andy Burns]

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

> Phil L

>
>> buy it in Ireland
>
> No time.

Can't you get someone at the other side to buy the paint ready for you?

[Capitol]

Agreed. Even if the lid will take the lower air pressures in flight
without popping off! I once made the mistake of taking toffee apples on
a flight. They turned to mush as a result of being frozen in the hold
and it took hours to washout the suitcase, even though I had plastic
bagged them!

[newshound]

On 6/26/2016 7:09 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <8K6dnRce8bYyiu3K...@giganews.com>, Nightjar

> What happened to that Turkish DC-10 in 1979, if memory serves.
>
Cargo door came off, floor movement trapped or damaged control cables
and/or hydraulics.

[Bob Eager]

I agree.

I'll second that emulsion.



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[Andy Burns]

Bob Eager wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
>>
>>> Phil L
>>>
>>>> buy it in Ireland
>>>
>>> No time.
>>
>> Can't you get someone at the other side to buy the paint ready for you?
>
> I agree.
>
> I'll second that emulsion.

Here's your top coat ...

[Steve Walker]

On 26/06/2016 18:18, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:01:43 +0100, Nightjar <c...@bignell.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26-Jun-16 5:09 PM, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
>>> Anyone got any experience of transporting paint in an aircraft?
>>>
>>> I know it isn't going to be allowed in hand baggage, but what is the
>>> best way of transporting it in a suitcase?
>>>
>>> I want to take 2.5 litres of emulsion to Cork next month do I just
>>> tape the lid and stick it in the case or would it be best to transfer
>>> it into a couple of plastic bottles?..
>>
>> Speak to the airline. The CAA rules do not ban water based paints and,
>> in theory, you don't need permission from the airline, but they may
>> refuse to carry it if they don't like the way it is packed.
> I'll do that.
>
> I had a problem some time back with oil filled pressure gauges
> dribbling all over my toolbox, so I thought a couple of empty Coke
> bottles should take a bar or so pressure difference particularily if I
> expel any air.

From experience, coke bottles (2 litre) will certainly take being hit
hard with a thrown brick while pressurised to 125 psi (testing for
safety when making air powered, high-flow water pistols for Run to the
Sun 20-odd years ago).

It'd be interesting to know how much they actually can take. I remember
reading that the "iconic" glass ones were way over specified and could
actually take 900 psi!

[Charlie]

"Capitol" <sp...@whereva.uk> wrote in message
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> I once made the mistake of taking toffee apples on a flight.

So they don't sell toffee apples in Bangkok then ?

[Nightjar]

On 26-Jun-16 11:11 PM, Steve Walker wrote:
...

> From experience, coke bottles (2 litre) will certainly take being hit
> hard with a thrown brick while pressurised to 125 psi (testing for
> safety when making air powered, high-flow water pistols for Run to the
> Sun 20-odd years ago).
>
> It'd be interesting to know how much they actually can take. I remember
> reading that the "iconic" glass ones were way over specified and could
> actually take 900 psi!
>

The industry standard requires them to withstand 150psi. Obviously, that
will be a minimum and they will probably take a lot more.

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[newshound]

Doesn't that imply that a two litre one could potentially contain as
much stored energy as the smallest statutory pressure vessel (at least
when there's not much liquid)? ICBA to look up the actual figures.

Admittedly they split rather than fragment, and don't contain much mass.

[fred]

What ? Britain isn't in the EU?

Twill be for a while yet.

[graham...@googlemail.com]

Did you get an answer to this I am now in the same possition of wanting to take paint samples to cork

[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, 31 October 2016 11:18:46 UTC, graham...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Did you get an answer to this I am now in the same possition of wanting to take paint samples to cork

many.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/uk.d-i-y/PZ-uhGLKloI


NT

[Fredxxx]

Except the consensus was to phone the airline!

[misterroy]

On a flight from Guernsey I noticed the half drunk bottle of water implode as we ascended. I would imagine the paint pot might suffer the same on the way up, depending how fill it was to start with. There is no guarantee which way up the pot will fly.

[Tim+]

misterroy <rgdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 5:00:47 PM UTC, Fredxxx wrote:
>> On 31/10/2016 14:43, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 31 October 2016 11:18:46 UTC, graham...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>> Did you get an answer to this I am now in the same possition of
>>>> wanting to take paint samples to cork
>>>
>>> many.
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/uk.d-i-y/PZ-uhGLKloI
>>
>> Except the consensus was to phone the airline!
>
> On a flight from Guernsey I noticed the half drunk bottle of water implode as we ascended.

Seems unlikely given that despite pressurisation cabin pressure *drops*
with altitude.

Tim

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[Chris Green]

Surely the pressure in the aircraft *reduces* when you go up, the
cabin is pressurised but not to full atmospheric pressure at sea
level. So the bottle (and paint cans) should explode when you go up.

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[The Natural Philosopher]

Probably imploded on the way down. ;-)
> Tim
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[ss]

On 31/10/2016 19:22, Chris Green wrote:
> On a flight from Guernsey I noticed the half drunk bottle of water implode
>> as we ascended.

I think I am right in saying the cabin is pressurised but not to `sea
level` pressure, as you drunk some en route and then sealed it then the
pressure around it would increase as it descends to sea level and
therefore make the bottle implode.

[misterroy]

darn, sleepy post, it was the escape of air when I opened the bottle on the way up that drew my attention to the change in air pressure.

[Chris J Dixon]

Reminds me of the time I had a flight in a Short 330, which had
the feel of being little more than a Leyland National with wings.

Boiled sweets were handed round before take-off and landing,
intended to promote swallowing and hence ease the discomfort on
our ears. Being unpressurised they couldn't gain much height to
get above the weather.

The interior trim panels were covered with sticky-backed plastic,
and, as the plane gained height, little bubbles appeared as it
lifted off the backing. On descent, it all shrank back again.

It amused me that the flight deck was so small that each pilot
had his own sliding door, through which his in-flight cuppa was
duly passed.

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 02/11/16 08:17, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Reminds me of the time I had a flight in a Short 330, which had
> the feel of being little more than a Leyland National with wings.
>
> Boiled sweets were handed round before take-off and landing,
> intended to promote swallowing and hence ease the discomfort on
> our ears. Being unpressurised they couldn't gain much height to
> get above the weather.
>
> The interior trim panels were covered with sticky-backed plastic,
> and, as the plane gained height, little bubbles appeared as it
> lifted off the backing. On descent, it all shrank back again.
>
> It amused me that the flight deck was so small that each pilot
> had his own sliding door, through which his in-flight cuppa was
> duly passed.

No disabled access then? Tsk Tsk.


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[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:18:42 -0700 (PDT), graham...@googlemail.com
wrote:

>Did you get an answer to this I am now in the same possition of wanting to take paint samples to cork

If you are flying Aer Lingus, no!

The general airport guidelines do not seem to restrict it, but the
airline will not carry it.

AB

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[rick]

I have a US boat ... and to get colour coded gel coat patch paste ....
it is a real pain.
Banned from airline luggage and normal shipping.
Has to be shipped as 'Hazardous material' and shipping then costs
about 3 x value of goods.

Then good old customs & excise puts 20% on top .... and then courier
adds a £20 fee for collecting the duty ..... makes a £30 pot damn
expensive by time I get it.

The stuff is consistency of toothpaste and in a small 2oz pot in a
sealed package - far less risk that a 1L bottle of whisky ... but it is
classed as Hazardous and to take it on a plane is a Federal Offence.


Ship it - at least you won't have to pay duty. Or take the Ferry to Cork.