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jkn
Mar 31, 2014, 5:34:53 PM3/31/14
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Hi all
I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently. It had
a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
As befits a playhouse the T&G roof panels are pretty thin, and I am a bit reluctant to hammer clout nails in for fear of damaging them
The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or less
'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
I have seen smaller diameter nails, but wondered if there is anything else -
perhaps something that I could screw in, that would work with roofing felt? Happy to eg. put some blobs of sealant on top if that would help...
Thanks
J^n
I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently. It had
a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
As befits a playhouse the T&G roof panels are pretty thin, and I am a bit reluctant to hammer clout nails in for fear of damaging them
The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or less
'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
I have seen smaller diameter nails, but wondered if there is anything else -
perhaps something that I could screw in, that would work with roofing felt? Happy to eg. put some blobs of sealant on top if that would help...
Thanks
J^n
John Rumm
Mar 31, 2014, 6:26:50 PM3/31/14
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(or better still some torch on felt)
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Malcolm Race
Mar 31, 2014, 6:28:41 PM3/31/14
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On 31/03/2014 22:34, jkn wrote:
Sticks like sh*t?
Malcolm
jkn
Mar 31, 2014, 6:49:53 PM3/31/14
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Hi John
see that it says:
"Usage restrictions: Ensure that the first felt layer on wood roofs is clout nailed. Do not use over tar based products."
> (or better still some torch on felt)
>
I would be happy to try this but don't have access to the necessary torch etc,
and when you factor in the hire costs it starts to get pricy...
Cheers
J^n
>
> How about a tin of felt adhesive?
>
Would felt adhesive work over a large area? I have some of that but (on reading) I
> How about a tin of felt adhesive?
>
see that it says:
"Usage restrictions: Ensure that the first felt layer on wood roofs is clout nailed. Do not use over tar based products."
> (or better still some torch on felt)
>
and when you factor in the hire costs it starts to get pricy...
Cheers
J^n
Dave Plowman (News)
Mar 31, 2014, 7:09:44 PM3/31/14
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In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
wood is thick.
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jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from
> what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or
> less 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
A decent staple gun? You should be able to get staples no longer than the
> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from
> what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or
> less 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
wood is thick.
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meow...@care2.com
Mar 31, 2014, 7:32:49 PM3/31/14
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2. wafer head screws, 1/2" or 1"
or both
NT
Bill Wright
Mar 31, 2014, 7:47:16 PM3/31/14
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jkn wrote:
> Hi all
> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently. It had
> a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
>
> As befits a playhouse the T&G roof panels are pretty thin, and I am a bit reluctant to hammer clout nails in for fear of damaging them
>
> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or less
> 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
The playhouses sold by Toys R Us come with very short like these from B n Q
> Hi all
> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently. It had
> a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
>
> As befits a playhouse the T&G roof panels are pretty thin, and I am a bit reluctant to hammer clout nails in for fear of damaging them
>
> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or less
> 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
Clout Nail AVF-850318 (W)3mm x (L)12mm
Bill
The Night Tripper
Apr 1, 2014, 3:26:11 AM4/1/14
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Hi Bill
Bill Wright wrote:
>
> The playhouses sold by Toys R Us come with very short like these from B n
> Q Clout Nail AVF-850318 (W)3mm x (L)12mm
Thanks, but it is the diameter of the nails that I am thinking is the issue
wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
a thin head that I am wondering about...
J^n
Bill Wright wrote:
>
> The playhouses sold by Toys R Us come with very short like these from B n
> Q Clout Nail AVF-850318 (W)3mm x (L)12mm
wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
a thin head that I am wondering about...
J^n
The Night Tripper
Apr 1, 2014, 3:27:22 AM4/1/14
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Hi Dave
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from
>> what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or
>> less 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
>
> A decent staple gun? You should be able to get staples no longer than the
> wood is thick.
>
Hmm, not a bad idea, thanks - and I have a decent staple gun. Don't suppose
galvanised staples are easily available though...
J^n
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> The original felted roof had nails sized something like 3mm x 20mm from
>> what I see in Screwfix. I am wondering if there is anything smaller, or
>> less 'impactful', that I could use in this situation.
>
> A decent staple gun? You should be able to get staples no longer than the
> wood is thick.
>
galvanised staples are easily available though...
J^n
charles
Apr 1, 2014, 5:07:14 AM4/1/14
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In article <Vo2dnbvUee7H96fO...@brightview.co.uk>, The Night
I suspect the felt will have died long before any rusting problem with the
staples becomes obvious.
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staples becomes obvious.
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
meow...@care2.com
Apr 1, 2014, 10:59:47 AM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:26:11 AM UTC+1, jkn wrote:
> Thanks, but it is the diameter of the nails that I am thinking is the issue
> wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
> a thin head that I am wondering about...
cue torn felt. Nails arent the best way to fix felt.
> Thanks, but it is the diameter of the nails that I am thinking is the issue
> wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
> a thin head that I am wondering about...
NT
The Night Tripper
Apr 1, 2014, 4:17:02 PM4/1/14
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Hi Charles
I'm sure you're right ... though it turns out galvanised ones are fairly
easily found ;-). I will try an experiment to see if the stables penetrate
the felt too much.
Otherwise I might try the idea of wafer head screws.
Thanks for all the comments.
Cheers
J^n
easily found ;-). I will try an experiment to see if the stables penetrate
the felt too much.
Otherwise I might try the idea of wafer head screws.
Thanks for all the comments.
Cheers
J^n
stuart noble
Apr 2, 2014, 5:03:17 AM4/2/14
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Didn't stop rust stains developing though.
Most shed roofs are (1/2"?) OSB and the galvanised clouts work fine for me.
John Rumm
Apr 3, 2014, 3:22:45 PM4/3/14
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through with strands in both directions and is deigned to not let the
nails pull through.
If nailing ordinary felt, an old builders trick is to use say 1.5" wire
nails, bang them in until firm, and then hammer them over flat so that
you use the exposed 3/4" of shaft to grip the felt rather than just the
head.
meow...@care2.com
Apr 3, 2014, 3:46:47 PM4/3/14
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On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:22:45 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
> On 01/04/2014 15:59, meow...@care2.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:26:11 AM UTC+1, jkn wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, but it is the diameter of the nails that I am thinking is the issue
> >> wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
> >> a thin head that I am wondering about...
> >
> >
> > cue torn felt. Nails arent the best way to fix felt.
> They are ok if you are using proper "nail prep" felt which is woven
> through with strands in both directions and is deigned to not let the
> nails pull through.
> If nailing ordinary felt, an old builders trick is to use say 1.5" wire
> nails, bang them in until firm, and then hammer them over flat so that
> you use the exposed 3/4" of shaft to grip the felt rather than just the
> head.
You're still left with a lot of penetrations though, waiting to leak. Plus spot fixing thats much weaker than all over fixing with bitumen.
> On 01/04/2014 15:59, meow...@care2.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:26:11 AM UTC+1, jkn wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, but it is the diameter of the nails that I am thinking is the issue
> >> wrt hammering them in. Homebase do some thinner short galvanised nails with
> >> a thin head that I am wondering about...
> >
> >
> > cue torn felt. Nails arent the best way to fix felt.
> They are ok if you are using proper "nail prep" felt which is woven
> through with strands in both directions and is deigned to not let the
> nails pull through.
> If nailing ordinary felt, an old builders trick is to use say 1.5" wire
> nails, bang them in until firm, and then hammer them over flat so that
> you use the exposed 3/4" of shaft to grip the felt rather than just the
> head.
Bitumen has various other uses too, and sounds like a good option for the OP.
NT
Another John
Apr 4, 2014, 4:32:29 AM4/4/14
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> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently. It
> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
As NT (Meow2222) said: I'd use bitumen "paint", or "gunge" as I call it.
> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
It's only a playhouse, so not a big area. I use a decorating scraper
(spatula type - 3" wide, flexi blade) to apply it. If the pitch is
quite steep, you could screw a couple of laths over the felt to hold it
in place while the bitumen sets -- they help stabilise it all anyway.
Don't apply it too thick, esp. near the lower edge: you don't want it
dripping out on all those hot summer days coming up. Especially not on
to kids, who will proceed to get it everywhere.
2p
J.
The Night Tripper
Apr 4, 2014, 4:46:01 PM4/4/14
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Hi There
Another John wrote:
> In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>
paint'?
<http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Roofing%20&%20Drainage/Roof%20Compound%20&%20Waterseals/Black%20Bituminous%20Paint/d250/sd2809/p18859>
or something else? I have a 1L tin of bitumenous felting adhesive but at
0.8sq.m/litre, that isn't going to go very far if I use it as you suggest...
Cheers
J^n
Another John wrote:
> In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently.
>> It
>> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
>
>> It
>> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
>
> As NT (Meow2222) said: I'd use bitumen "paint", or "gunge" as I call it.
> It's only a playhouse, so not a big area. I use a decorating scraper
> (spatula type - 3" wide, flexi blade) to apply it. If the pitch is
> quite steep, you could screw a couple of laths over the felt to hold it
> in place while the bitumen sets -- they help stabilise it all anyway.
>
> Don't apply it too thick, esp. near the lower edge: you don't want it
> dripping out on all those hot summer days coming up. Especially not on
> to kids, who will proceed to get it everywhere.
>
> 2p
> J.
Thanks for the idea. By 'bitumen "paint"' do you mean yer actual 'bitumen
> It's only a playhouse, so not a big area. I use a decorating scraper
> (spatula type - 3" wide, flexi blade) to apply it. If the pitch is
> quite steep, you could screw a couple of laths over the felt to hold it
> in place while the bitumen sets -- they help stabilise it all anyway.
>
> Don't apply it too thick, esp. near the lower edge: you don't want it
> dripping out on all those hot summer days coming up. Especially not on
> to kids, who will proceed to get it everywhere.
>
> 2p
> J.
paint'?
<http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Roofing%20&%20Drainage/Roof%20Compound%20&%20Waterseals/Black%20Bituminous%20Paint/d250/sd2809/p18859>
or something else? I have a 1L tin of bitumenous felting adhesive but at
0.8sq.m/litre, that isn't going to go very far if I use it as you suggest...
Cheers
J^n
meow...@care2.com
Apr 5, 2014, 7:10:52 AM4/5/14
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On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:46:01 PM UTC+1, jkn wrote:
> Hi There
> Another John wrote:
> > In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Hi There
> Another John wrote:
> > In article <b0c0e286-c95f-442c...@googlegroups.com>,
> > jkn <> wrote:
> > >> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently.
> >> It
> >> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
> > > As NT (Meow2222) said: I'd use bitumen "paint", or "gunge" as I call it.
> > It's only a playhouse, so not a big area. I use a decorating scraper
> > (spatula type - 3" wide, flexi blade) to apply it. If the pitch is
> > quite steep, you could screw a couple of laths over the felt to hold it
> > in place while the bitumen sets -- they help stabilise it all anyway.
> > > Don't apply it too thick, esp. near the lower edge: you don't want it
> > dripping out on all those hot summer days coming up. Especially not on
> > to kids, who will proceed to get it everywhere.
> > > 2p
> > J.
> Thanks for the idea. By 'bitumen "paint"' do you mean yer actual 'bitumen
> paint'?
> <http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Roofing%20&%20Drainage/Roof%20Compound%20&%20Waterseals/Black%20Bituminous%20Paint/d250/sd2809/p18859>
> or something else?
I assume thats the stuff, just bitumen plus solvent
> > >> I have been reassembling a wooden playhouse I bought s/hand recently.
> >> It
> >> had a felted roof and am working out the best way to re-felt it.
> > > As NT (Meow2222) said: I'd use bitumen "paint", or "gunge" as I call it.
> > It's only a playhouse, so not a big area. I use a decorating scraper
> > (spatula type - 3" wide, flexi blade) to apply it. If the pitch is
> > quite steep, you could screw a couple of laths over the felt to hold it
> > in place while the bitumen sets -- they help stabilise it all anyway.
> > > Don't apply it too thick, esp. near the lower edge: you don't want it
> > dripping out on all those hot summer days coming up. Especially not on
> > to kids, who will proceed to get it everywhere.
> > > 2p
> > J.
> Thanks for the idea. By 'bitumen "paint"' do you mean yer actual 'bitumen
> paint'?
> <http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Roofing%20&%20Drainage/Roof%20Compound%20&%20Waterseals/Black%20Bituminous%20Paint/d250/sd2809/p18859>
> or something else?
> I have a 1L tin of bitumenous felting adhesive but at
> 0.8sq.m/litre, that isn't going to go very far if I use it as you suggest...
NT
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