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Mick Davies

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Jan 14, 2001, 10:22:52 AM1/14/01
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I have a 2-3 year old Vax (model 5140) which can be used to clean
carpets but no water comes out of the pipe where it should. the
blockage appears to be between the filter that dangles in the water
and the outlet on the side of the Vax, not in any other pipes. Can
anyone tell me what the problem is likely to be and how to repair. is
the water pumped out or drawn out because of the partial vacuum caused
by the unit?

Hope this is clear as I ve tried to be brief

TIA

Malcolm Race

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Jan 14, 2001, 1:10:43 PM1/14/01
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In article <5jg36tomlt3kq2l7d...@4ax.com>, Mick Davies
Water is drawn out by partial vacuum. Look at the pvc tube there it passes
through the trigger mechanism, the tube may be stuck flat. You can buy a
complete pvc tube assembly

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John Jackson

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Jan 14, 2001, 1:30:46 PM1/14/01
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There is a pump unit inside which pumps the water out and these are prone to
failing, so this is the likely cause of the problem. Exactly the same thing
happened to mine and a new pump cured it, but it was a very awkward job.
I don't repair these commercially so I can't give instructions ( it was a
couple of years ago I did mine ) but the pump unit is in the lid and it does
come apart if you can find the hidden screws etc.

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druid2uk

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:49:07 PM1/14/01
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:22:52 +0000, Mick Davies <mada...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

We were Vax agents at my old shop (I have now retired from the
business) I personally did not do the Vax's my brother did, he is
still a Vax agent and if you still require any information about this
model let me know and I can find out for you.

John.

Malcolm Saunders

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Jan 15, 2001, 5:11:16 AM1/15/01
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Mick,

I have exactly the same problem. I've blown through OK from the
connection with the lid through the pipes to the wash attachment. I've
also replaced the tube from the filter to inside the lid, which had
indeed been flattened, but still the Vax doesn't wash the carpet
properly.

There is a unit that sits in the lid between these pipes but I don't
know what it does.

Could this unit be your problem (and mine!)? Can this be repaired or
does it have to be replaced? Where from and at what cost?

Malcolm

Simon Avery wrote:

> Mick Davies <mada...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Mick
>
> > MD| I have a 2-3 year old Vax (model 5140) which can be used to
> > MD| clean carpets but no water comes out of the pipe where it
> > MD| should. the blockage appears to be between the filter that
> > MD| dangles in the water and the outlet on the side of the Vax,
> > MD| not in any other pipes. Can anyone tell me what the problem
> > MD| is likely to be and how to repair. is the water pumped out
> > MD| or drawn out because of the partial vacuum caused by the
> > MD| unit?
>
> Yes - it's non-pumped so the washer liquid is drawn through by the
> vortex in the head.
>
> Try blowing through it from the wrong direction.
>
> Also, if this is the same as mine - the 'trigger' works by squeezing
> down on the plastic pipe, and in time this can weaken and split or
> close-off the pipe. Check it's all working fine.
>
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Jan 16, 2001, 9:19:13 AM1/16/01
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:11:16 +0000, Malcolm Saunders
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>Mick,
>
>I have exactly the same problem. I've blown through OK from the
>connection with the lid through the pipes to the wash attachment. I've
>also replaced the tube from the filter to inside the lid, which had
>indeed been flattened, but still the Vax doesn't wash the carpet
>properly.
>
>There is a unit that sits in the lid between these pipes but I don't
>know what it does.
>
>Could this unit be your problem (and mine!)? Can this be repaired or
>does it have to be replaced? Where from and at what cost?

That is the pump, they do get blocked, they cannot normally be
repaired, a new one costs about £33.00 !

John.


Mick Davies

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Jan 31, 2001, 7:31:11 AM1/31/01
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Malcolm Saunders <malcolm....@talk21.com> wrote:

>Mick,
>
>I have exactly the same problem. I've blown through OK from the
>connection with the lid through the pipes to the wash attachment. I've

Snip

>>
>> Try blowing through it from the wrong direction.
>>
>> Also, if this is the same as mine - the 'trigger' works by squeezing
>> down on the plastic pipe, and in time this can weaken and split or
>> close-off the pipe. Check it's all working fine.
>>
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Just to let you know. I have taken the Vax to bits and retrieved the
pump and forced water through it. Since the motor made a noise before
removal, I am hoping that I have fixed it (maybe only temporarily till
it seizes up again). Thanks for your help and if anyone (malcolm) is
still in the same fix, let me know and Ill try and help from my recent
experience. Mind you I don't know if it works yet. Ill send a message
to this thread when I put it back together and try it

Mick Davies

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Feb 16, 2001, 11:38:38 AM2/16/01
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Mick Davies <mada...@bigfoot.com> wrote:


>
>
>Just to let you know. I have taken the Vax to bits and retrieved the
>pump and forced water through it. Since the motor made a noise before
>removal, I am hoping that I have fixed it (maybe only temporarily till
>it seizes up again). Thanks for your help and if anyone (malcolm) is
>still in the same fix, let me know and Ill try and help from my recent
>experience. Mind you I don't know if it works yet. Ill send a message
>to this thread when I put it back together and try it

The Vax is now fully working. After the re-assembly there was a small
amount of water when washing from the water outlet in the body of the
Vax. I had to take the unit to bits again and know the case of the
leak but was unable to stop it. (the o-ring was impossible to put back
where it shpould go. I have put the Vax back together and it all
works. I did have trouble with the water flow stopping for some reason
but all is OK now.

If I can be of assistance to anyone getting to the motor please let me
know. I am now an expert (until I forget). Thanks for your help

janetd...@gmail.com

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Feb 18, 2015, 7:06:02 AM2/18/15
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The prong on my vax vac has snapped cut plug off thinking could put new plug on it as only two wires no earth wire is it safe to put a plug on with just a live and neutral wire no earth

Muddymike

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Feb 18, 2015, 7:27:04 AM2/18/15
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The prong on my vax vac has snapped cut plug off thinking could put new plug
on it as only two wires no earth wire is it safe to put a plug on with just
a live and neutral wire no earth
>
>

Quite safe. Just don't connect anything to the earth pin. Make sure the
earth pin screw is either tightened down or thrown away as they have been
known to fall out and cause a short if left loose.

Mike

F Murtz

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Feb 18, 2015, 7:29:06 AM2/18/15
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janetd...@gmail.com wrote:
> The prong on my vax vac has snapped cut plug off thinking could put new plug on it as only two wires no earth wire is it safe to put a plug on with just a live and neutral wire no earth
>
Probably yes,if the vac conforms with uk regs regarding insulation, the
existing fitted plug would only have the two wires connected

Brian Gaff

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Feb 18, 2015, 8:03:18 AM2/18/15
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Yes its double insulated.
Brian

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Bill Wright

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Feb 18, 2015, 9:16:20 AM2/18/15
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Connect the brown wire to L and the blue wire to N. Don't get it the
wrong way round or the vac will suck instead of blow.

Bill

charles

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Feb 18, 2015, 9:45:04 AM2/18/15
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In article <mc26rg$at4$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
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fred

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Feb 18, 2015, 10:33:56 AM2/18/15
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These appear to be a series of troll twat posts on out of date threads,
best ignored folks.

janetdavies37(twat)gmail.com is the troll tag to look out for on the
next one although I'm sure the infant will change that soon.

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Phil L

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Feb 18, 2015, 3:03:20 PM2/18/15
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<janetd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The prong on my vax vac has snapped cut plug off thinking could put new
> plug on it as only two wires no earth wire is it safe to put a plug on
> with just a live and neutral wire no earth
>

Here are some free punctuation marks for next time:
.:;,.,;.,',.,'?

vac has snapped cut plug off thinking

should be

vac has snapped, cut plug off, thinking


Bill Wright

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Feb 18, 2015, 3:08:17 PM2/18/15
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charles wrote:
> In article <mc26rg$at4$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>> janetd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The prong on my vax vac has snapped cut plug off thinking could put new
>>> plug on it as only two w
>
>> ires no earth wire is it safe to put a plug on with just a live and
>> neutral wire no earth
>
>> Connect the brown wire to L and the blue wire to N. Don't get it the
>> wrong way round or the vac will suck instead of blow.
>
>> Bill
>
> naughty
>
Sorry.

Bill

Brian Gaff

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Feb 19, 2015, 3:49:25 AM2/19/15
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Now dont spread misleading information, it will only suck up positive charge
dust.
Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Feb 19, 2015, 3:52:30 AM2/19/15
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I used to have a vacuum called a Vactric, it had a screw thread on noboth
ends, and you could attache a special hose on the blow end that you could
use a paint sprayer with. It actually worked very ell. I suspect elf and
safety would have a few things to say if it was done these days.
Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Feb 19, 2015, 3:56:26 AM2/19/15
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Actually it is a question which I have been asked for real before. On some
appliances with moulded plugs, the prong, to coin a phrase has indeed been
metal, but the construction of the plug itself has meant it can easily come
off, as its merely riveted on the bottom. The later ones I see are plastic
and part of the moulding, and on these of course its clearly obvious it is
not used!
Morphy Richards devices used to use the former mentioned plugs as I recall.
Brian

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On Sunday, 14 January 2001 15:22:52 UTC, Mick Davies wrote:
i have just had the same problem with mine sprayed some wd40 down the inlet pipe job done from don burrows

Bob Eager

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I think he's probably fixed it or junked it in the intervening 17 years!



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Hi I have a vax I went change the lead but the old wire has earth new one dozen.what should I do does it matter.is it ok to still change the wire with just Brown blue not a green and yellow wire in it.please can some one let me know.

Andrew Gabriel

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> Hi I have a vax I went change the lead but the old wire has earth new one dozen.what should I do does it matter.is it ok to still change the wire with just Brown blue not a green and yellow wire in it.please can some one let me know.
>

Assuming the lead was correct and the VAX is supposed to be earthed, you
can't change it for a non-earthed lead - the appliance will not be
protected against electrocuting you or whoever is using it.

If the VAX is marked double-insulated (two squares, one inside the
other), then it isn't meant to be earthed and should only have a 2-core
lead, and the 3-core lead isn't original.

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On Friday, 1 March 2019 19:02:25 UTC, zoed...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi I have a vax I went change the lead but the old wire has earth new one dozen.what should I do does it matter.is it ok to still change the wire with just Brown blue not a green and yellow wire in it.please can some one let me know.

You need a 3 core lead


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Brian Gaff

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Mar 2, 2019, 4:26:15 AM3/2/19
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Why did you buy the wire before you looked at what sort of wire it was. One
has to assume that it has an earth due to having exposed metal parts. If
that is the case then you need to get new wire of the right type. I have a
couple of drills, one has three core the other two, the one with two claims
to be double insulated.
Brian

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Brian Gaff

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I do wonder what happened to the old lead. Seems a bit odd as the leads are
pretty sturdy on those machines. Is it a wet and dry model?
Brian

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In article <q5dib0$k2b$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I do wonder what happened to the old lead. Seems a bit odd as the leads
> are pretty sturdy on those machines. Is it a wet and dry model? Brian

I had to fail a Henry on a PAT test becaue the cable outer sheath was
damaged. I suspect it got trapped in a door.

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On Saturday, 2 March 2019 10:18:04 UTC, charles wrote:
> In article <q5dib0$k2b$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
> <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> > I do wonder what happened to the old lead. Seems a bit odd as the leads
> > are pretty sturdy on those machines. Is it a wet and dry model? Brian
>
> I had to fail a Henry on a PAT test becaue the cable outer sheath was
> damaged. I suspect it got trapped in a door.

Flex damage is a frequent failure point on PAT testing vacs.


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