Bloody foreign call centres

[ARW]

Spent 30 minutes chatting to a nice bloke in India who spoke perfect English
and was very polite. Then he transferred me through to the Newcastle call
centre to complete the transaction - I could not understand what she
said:-).

--
Adam

[Andy Burns]

ARW wrote:

> he transferred me through to the Newcastle call
> centre to complete the transaction - I could not understand what she
> said:-).

I have had that ...

caller: I'm calling from Seeeeeurge software
me: sorry, who?
caller: seeeaeaeaeurge, ye know?

repeat until penny drops

me: Oh you mean Sage?
caller: yes seeeeeurge, I'm calling about your payroll software

[John Miller]

You must have made that up! Nobody says "know" up here - it's "knaa" or
"noah" if we're being polite to soft Southerners.

John M

[Nthkentman]

"John Miller" wrote in message news:kl78q3$lm8$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Isn't it wonderful that the Queens English is spoken by the Queen......In
the South..... She must be soft then

[The Medway Handyman]

That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;

"I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
weather was like. So I phoned my bank."
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[Brian Gaff]

Ah damned cunning these Tyne and Wear folk you know.

Brian

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"ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Owain]

On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
> weather was like.  So I phoned my bank."

But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.

I'm almost tempted to phone National Rail Enquiries for times and
fares on the Venkatadri Express and see what happens.

Owain

[Mike Barnes]

Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com>:

>On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
>> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
>> weather was like.  So I phoned my bank."
>
>But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.

Why?

--
Mike Barnes

[Owain]

On Apr 24, 12:41 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
> >But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
> Why?

Because some people are humourless and easily offended.

Owain

[Steve Firth]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <kl78q3$lm8$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

> John Miller <millerhous...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> You must have made that up! Nobody says "know" up here - it's "knaa" or
>> > "noah" if we're being polite to soft Southerners.
>

> What is a "soft Southerner"?

All of them.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Mike Barnes]

Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com>:

That's true, but it doesn't really answer my question.

--
Mike Barnes

[Steve Firth]

A Pakistani friend of mine, who has made comment on similar matters in the
past, would point out that Shappi is Iranian, hence she is from an Indian
point of view a Westerner with more in common with Europe than India.
Therefore comments she makes about India would be seen as being as
offensive as if made by a white, male, comedian.

OTOH the same person thought that British racist jokes were very funny.
Either because they showed the "comedian" to be ignorant or highlighted how
clever the "paki" subject of the joke was.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Nightjar]

On 23/04/2013 19:06, ARW wrote:

I used to have the same problem when call centres were based in Northern
Ireland. OTOH, I had no problems with the ones in Glasgow.

Colin Bignell

[Sam Plusnet]

In article <timstreater-FBCA...@news.individual.net>,
timst...@greenbee.net says...
>
> In article
> <1525927211388506880.807864%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.o
> rg>,

> Most unhelpful, Our Steve. You'll have to be more specific.

When you bite their heads off, you find a soft centre that's runny.

--
Sam

[ARW]

Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <kl78q3$lm8$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> John Miller <millerhous...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>

>> You must have made that up! Nobody says "know" up here - it's "knaa"
>> or "noah" if we're being polite to soft Southerners.
>

> What is a "soft Southerner"?

South of Watford Gap if you live in Yorkshire. South of Hadrians Wall if you
live in Scotland.


--
Adam

[ARW]

Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <kl9coi$caj$1...@dont-email.me>,

> Mmmm. Some logical inconsistency here. And what does "soft" refer to?

FFS. It's just general banter based on your latitude.


--
Adam

[ARW]

Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <kl9g34$tb$1...@dont-email.me>,

> :-)

And the UK is more northern than France and Italy;-)


--
Adam

[Gib Bogle]

On 24/04/2013 11:04 p.m., Owain wrote:
> On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
>> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
>> weather was like. So I phoned my bank."
>
> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.

B.s. why would it be racist?

[Gib Bogle]

On 25/04/2013 4:18 a.m., Huge wrote:

> Because the political correctness "industry" is monstrously hypocritical.
>
>

I don't know anyone who would view that joke as racist.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Because it involves

- a joke
- a person from a foreign country.

generally thats all you need

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[dennis@home]

On 24/04/2013 22:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/04/13 22:27, Gib Bogle wrote:
>> On 24/04/2013 11:04 p.m., Owain wrote:
>>> On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
>>>> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
>>>> weather was like. So I phoned my bank."
>>>
>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
>>
>> B.s. why would it be racist?
>>
> Because it involves
>
> - a joke
> - a person from a foreign country.
>
> generally thats all you need
>

But who is being racist?

The one who thinks being a different colour makes the joke either racist
or not?

[Mike Barnes]

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>:

Very interesting but it doesn't explain what's racist about the joke. Or
(since you specified white *male*) what's sexist about it.

Someone snipped the joke, but here it is again:

"I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
weather was like. So I phoned my bank."

--
Mike Barnes

[The Natural Philosopher]

You might say that - I couldn't possibly comment.

[Gib Bogle]

On 25/04/2013 9:50 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/04/13 22:27, Gib Bogle wrote:
>> On 24/04/2013 11:04 p.m., Owain wrote:
>>> On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
>>>> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
>>>> weather was like. So I phoned my bank."
>>>
>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
>>
>> B.s. why would it be racist?
>>
> Because it involves
>
> - a joke
> - a person from a foreign country.
>
> generally thats all you need
>

Crap

[Gib Bogle]

On 25/04/2013 9:50 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 24/04/13 22:27, Gib Bogle wrote:
>> On 24/04/2013 11:04 p.m., Owain wrote:
>>> On Apr 24, 8:09 am, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> That Shappi Khorsandi made me laugh;
>>>> "I'm going to India on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the
>>>> weather was like. So I phoned my bank."
>>>
>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
>>
>> B.s. why would it be racist?
>>
> Because it involves
>
> - a joke
> - a person from a foreign country.
>
> generally thats all you need
>

I call this PC paranoia. It's in your mind.

[Bob Martin]

in 1223217 20130424 172850 Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>Mike Barnes <mikeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com>:
>>> On Apr 24, 12:41 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Because some people are humourless and easily offended.
>>
>> That's true, but it doesn't really answer my question.
>
>A Pakistani friend of mine, who has made comment on similar matters in the
>past, would point out that Shappi is Iranian, hence she is from an Indian
>point of view a Westerner with more in common with Europe than India.
>Therefore comments she makes about India would be seen as being as
>offensive as if made by a white, male, comedian.

But the joke wasn't about Indians, it was (if I must spell it out for you) about
the bank out-sourcing its help desks.

[The Medway Handyman]

If anything, it was 'bankist'.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[PeterC]

So, it was (in effect) the truth. To suppress the truth on any grounds is
(in the context of this thread) itself racist/sexist/etc. as the suppression
is done only on those grounds. At the extreme end, akin to the police not
pursuing rapists of teenagers because the criminals happened to be brown and
have non-English superstitions.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

[PeterC]

Had a problem with PlusNet - takes me a couple of days to tune in to them
there furrin accents.

[soup]

ARW wrote:

> And the UK is more northern than France and Italy;-)

<xenophobe mode>
Exactly, and who won WWII was it France or Italy? So they are softer
than we Brits.
</xenophobe mode>

[Tim Watts]

Let's put it in a hypothetical context:

1) Everyone outsources call centres to Alabama, USA.

2) They employ cheap locals who work off a crap script, cannot deviate and
have thick accents and have zero local knowledge of the UK. Thus the whole
concept of outsourced call centres becomes a source of derision - like now.

Now run the joke as:

"I'm going to America on holiday next week & I wanted to know what the

weather was like. So I phoned my bank."

Is it racist? Is it (within the alternate universe as stated) as funny?



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[Steve Firth]

And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was
being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
ethnicity whereas a white male could not.

My point is that the group likely to be offended (if at all) consider
Iranians to be white Westerners hence as offensive (if at all) as other
white Westerners.

That is, I was highlighting that the explanation was incorrect, not
claiming that the joke was racist.

I'm sorry that the fine distinction escaped you.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[ARW]

The Russians won it - the Italians changed sides half way through.

--
Adam

[ARW]

Steve Firth wrote:
> Bob Martin <bob.m...@excite.com> wrote:
>> in 1223217 20130424 172850 Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Mike Barnes <mikeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com>:
>>>>> On Apr 24, 12:41 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>>>>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist.
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because some people are humourless and easily offended.
>>>>
>>>> That's true, but it doesn't really answer my question.
>>>
>>> A Pakistani friend of mine, who has made comment on similar matters
>>> in the past, would point out that Shappi is Iranian, hence she is
>>> from an Indian point of view a Westerner with more in common with
>>> Europe than India. Therefore comments she makes about India would
>>> be seen as being as offensive as if made by a white, male, comedian.
>>
>> But the joke wasn't about Indians, it was (if I must spell it out
>> for you) about the bank out-sourcing its help desks.
>
> And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was
> being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
> ethnicity whereas a white male could not.
>
> My point is that the group likely to be offended (if at all) consider
> Iranians to be white Westerners hence as offensive (if at all) as
> other white Westerners.

Is this not where harry should chip in and say "they all look the same to me
AND they should not be allowed into this country"?

--
Adam

[ARW]

Owain wrote:
> On Apr 24, 12:41 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>> But if a white male made that joke it would probably be racist. Why?
>
> Because some people are humourless and easily offended.

Well those sort of people should fuck off and die - normal people could not
give a toss about them.


--
Adam

[alan]

The Americans won both world wars.


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[Richard]

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
news:timstreater-8A6D...@news.individual.net...
>
>In article <MPG.2be2406e9...@news.plus.net>,
> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <timstreater-FBCA...@news.individual.net>,
>> timst...@greenbee.net says...
>> >
>> > In article
>> > <1525927211388506880.807864%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.o
>> > rg>,
>> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

>> >
>> > > Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > > > In article <kl78q3$lm8$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> > > > John Miller <millerhous...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> You must have made that up! Nobody says "know" up here - it's
>> > > >> "knaa" or
>> > > >> > "noah" if we're being polite to soft Southerners.
>> > > >
>> > > > What is a "soft Southerner"?
>> > >

>> > > All of them.
>> >
>> > Most unhelpful, Our Steve. You'll have to be more specific.
>>
>> When you bite their heads off, you find a soft centre that's runny.
>
>I see. So Northerners are made of wood,8<
>

Close. Two short planks...

[soup]

alan wrote:

> The Americans won both world wars.

With so many dead ON ALL SIDES did anyone really win?

[soup]

ARW wrote:

> The Russians won it - the Italians changed sides half way through.

For the avoidance of doubt I wasn't being entirely serious.

[ARW]

Nor was I.

At least the Italians were smart enough to invent a flag with a white cross
with a white background as a flag of war.

--
Adam

[polygonum]

So the Italians used blanco-blanco to make a flag while we used Blanco
to clean our webbing.

--
Rod

[The Natural Philosopher]

sadly that was the French. They just copied it.

[Owain]

We all won, because we're not living under Nazi rule.

Owain

[The Natural Philosopher]

we all lost because we are all living under communist rule.

> Owain

[soup]

Steve Firth wrote:
> Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
> ethnicity whereas a white male could not.

Why male?

[soup]

Huge wrote:

> Any statement made by a white, middle aged, middle class man is automatically
> racist, sexist and any other kind of -ist that the "diversity" industry can
> make up.

Do you really think 'saying' a statement made by a female would be
racist if made by a male helps to remove their philosophy?

[Steve Firth]

Because in

Message-ID: <bf891e81-402e-406b...@b3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com>

Owain said "But if a white male made that joke it would probably be
racist."

You snipped your reply to make it look as if I was making the point
that I was responding to.

I actually said:

"And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was

being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her

ethnicity whereas a white male could not."

Your selectiv edit was at the very least bad faith on your part, but
more likely deliberate having read some of the tripe you pour out.

--
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[dennis@home]

On 27/04/2013 16:18, Steve Firth wrote:

> I actually said:
>
> "And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was
> being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
> ethnicity whereas a white male could not."

But that *is* racist, you are discriminating based on someone's ethnicity.

[Steve Firth]

Heck Pennis, you cut all context from my post in your pathetic attempt to
score a point and you still failed.

Someone else was trying to make the point that you object to.

Do you enjoy making yourself look like a cunt?

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[dennis@home]

On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> On 27/04/2013 16:18, Steve Firth wrote:
>>
>>> I actually said:
>>>
>>> "And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was
>>> being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
>>> ethnicity whereas a white male could not."
>>
>> But that *is* racist, you are discriminating based on someone's ethnicity.
>
> Heck Pennis, you cut all context from my post in your pathetic attempt to
> score a point and you still failed.
>

What context do you need?
You stated that it was OK for one person to say it but not another
purely on ethnicity of the two people.
That is by definition racist.

And what's more I never said you were the racist but you can't read either.

[Steve Firth]

"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2013 16:18, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually said:
>>>>
>>>> "And if I must spell it out for you, and it seems I must, the point was
>>>> being made that Shappi Khorsandi can make this joke because of her
>>>> ethnicity whereas a white male could not."
>>>
>>> But that *is* racist, you are discriminating based on someone's ethnicity.
>>
>> Heck Pennis, you cut all context from my post in your pathetic attempt to
>> score a point and you still failed.
>>
>
> What context do you need?
> You stated that it was OK for one person to say it but not another purely
> on ethnicity of the two people.

No I didn't. Someone else made that comment I was, in turn, commenting on
what they had said.

> That is by definition racist.

In your moronic opinion.

> And what's more I never said you were the racist but you can't read either.

"you are discriminating based on someone's ethnicity"

Try again Pennis you lying fuckwit. It's clear who can't read here, and you
can't write either.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[dennis@home]

On 29/04/2013 10:21, Steve Firth wrote:
> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:


>> That is by definition racist.
>
> In your moronic opinion.

Its a legal definition in the UK.

It is illegal to discriminate based on a persons race, colour, etc.

Saying its OK for a black person to say nigger and its not OK for a
white person to say the same is racist *by definition* as you are
discriminating against one of them purely because of their colour/race.


To put it more simply for you..

if its OK for a person of one race/colour to say it must be OK for a
person of another race/colour to say.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is racist.

[Steve Firth]

Oh look Dennis has cut the proof that he directed his comment at me and not
at the person who made the comment.

He has now gone on to accuse me (again) of making a racist comment while
also trying to divert attention away from his lies.

Standard Dennis behaviour.

He has the integrity of a 50p watch.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[ARW]

dennis@home wrote:
> On 29/04/2013 10:21, Steve Firth wrote:
>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> That is by definition racist.
>>
>> In your moronic opinion.
>
> Its a legal definition in the UK.
>
> It is illegal to discriminate based on a persons race, colour, etc.

But it's what we ALL do. And anyone who says they do not is a liar or a
drugged up hippy.

--
Adam

[The Natural Philosopher]

yep having sex with a specific gender is discrimination against the
other sex..

[polygonum]

On 29/04/2013 21:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/04/13 21:24, ARW wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2013 10:21, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That is by definition racist.
>>>> In your moronic opinion.
>>> Its a legal definition in the UK.
>>>
>>> It is illegal to discriminate based on a persons race, colour, etc.
>> But it's what we ALL do. And anyone who says they do not is a liar or a
>> drugged up hippy.
>>
> yep having sex with a specific gender is discrimination against the
> other sex..
>
>
>

In some cases, the argument could be made the other way around. :-)

--
Rod

[ARW]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/04/13 21:24, ARW wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2013 10:21, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 28/04/2013 00:13, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That is by definition racist.
>>>> In your moronic opinion.
>>> Its a legal definition in the UK.
>>>
>>> It is illegal to discriminate based on a persons race, colour, etc.
>> But it's what we ALL do. And anyone who says they do not is a liar
>> or a drugged up hippy.
>>
> yep having sex with a specific gender is discrimination against the
> other sex..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2303045/Monica-Lewinsky-return-limelight-transform-beautiful-swan.html


Anyone got a spare barge-pole?

--
Adam