HDD Failure

[Osprey]

OK ... annoying, I just built a new PC and paid extra to get Western Digital Caviar Balck HDD as they are supposed to be more relibale than 'Blue or Green' variants.

The OS is on an SSD, HDD is used for programs & user data.

HDD now does not get detected .... looked in diskmgmt.msc and it does not show.
Tried using an external Sata to USB adapater .... drive spins up ... but not detected.

Only a few weeks old so under warranty .... but wonder if anybody has anything worth trying to recover the user data ... my docs/ pics / emails.

I have backup from previous PC .. but 2 months of data will be missing.

I did raise a tkt with WD, but they said as it is not detected - return it for replacment, no assistance with data recovery.

[meow...@care2.com]

Your data's gone.


NT

[Enrie Membership]

On 15/11/2012 20:12, Osprey wrote:
> drive spins up ... but not detected.
>

>

Why not try a Linux live cd? like Knoppix

[Bob Eager]

If it's an electronics failure - buy another one and swap the board.
Desperate measure, I know.



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[Weatherlawyer]

On Nov 15, 9:49 pm, Bob Eager <news0...@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:42 -0800, Osprey wrote:
> > OK ... annoying, I just built a new PC and paid extra to get Western
> > Digital Caviar Balck HDD as they are supposed to be more relibale than
> > 'Blue or Green' variants.
>
> > The OS is on an SSD, HDD is used for programs & user data.
>
> > HDD now does not get detected .... looked in diskmgmt.msc   and it does
> > not show.
> > Tried using an external Sata to USB adapater .... drive spins up ... but
> > not detected.
>
> > Only a few weeks old so under warranty .... but wonder if anybody has
> > anything worth trying to recover the user data ...  my docs/ pics /
> > emails.
>
> > I have backup from previous PC .. but 2 months of data will be missing.
>
> > I did raise a tkt with WD, but they said as it is not detected - return

> > it for replacement, no assistance with data recovery.

>
> If it's an electronics failure - buy another one and swap the board.
> Desperate measure, I know.

You think the board is shorted and causing the defect?
That happened to me. Nasty if you don't realise what is happening.

[newshound]

+1. Or a disk recovery company if the data is worth enough?

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:42 -0800, Osprey wrote:

> HDD now does not get detected .... looked in diskmgmt.msc and it does
> not show. Tried using an external Sata to USB adapater .... drive spins
> up ... but not detected.

Different SATA cable or the same one? (there's a possibility of a bad
cable, but two would seem rather unlikely)

Check for a damaged drive connector, too - there might not be anything
you can do about it personally, but if there's obvious damage at least
you know that someone should be able to sort it out for you.

[The Other Mike]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:42 -0800 (PST), Osprey <rick_...@btconnect.com>
wrote:

Try HDD in another PC in case motherboard is buggered.

Try another data and power cable

Try freezing the HDD for a few hours in a sealed plastic bag with the leads
poking out.

Buy another 'identical' hard drive, swap the drive circuit boards. Boot a live
linux CD and see if the drive can be seen.

If it still can't be seen then accept that if you don't pay huge wodges of money
to a professional data recovery company you won't be able to get the data back.


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[geoff]

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<0f8f9736-52a2-4701...@q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <weathe...@gmail.com> writes

I had a zero ohm link that lost the magic smoke - replaced it with
another one, the HDD is still runing fine 6 months later, not really
worth buggering about getting it replaced

And, yes - always buying hard drives in pairs has saved my data twice in
recent times






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[The Natural Philosopher]

Only time this worked for me was when we replaced the electronics and
got the data back - or most of it - when the electronics was duff.
But that was in a company with a LOT of similar disks.


What can I say? the FIRST thing I do with a new disk is back it up..

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[brass monkey]

"Osprey" <rick_...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:0a3ad7aa-3dc0-47ac...@googlegroups.com...

A mate of mine had a drive which wasn't detected (PATA though). I suggested
he power down and off, unplug the ribbon, re-boot, power down and off,
connect the ribbon, re-boot. Worked for him.

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:06:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> What can I say? the FIRST thing I do with a new disk is back it up..

In case you need all that empty space back? ;)

[Chris J Dixon]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>On 15/11/12 20:12, Osprey wrote:

>Only time this worked for me was when we replaced the electronics and
>got the data back - or most of it - when the electronics was duff.
>But that was in a company with a LOT of similar disks.
>
>What can I say? the FIRST thing I do with a new disk is back it up..

It would be more useful to set up a backup strategy.

Chris
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[Brian Gaff]

Yes this sounds like a logic failure to me. Brian

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 16/11/12 06:55, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/12 20:12, Osprey wrote:
>
>> Only time this worked for me was when we replaced the electronics and
>> got the data back - or most of it - when the electronics was duff.
>> But that was in a company with a LOT of similar disks.
>>
>> What can I say? the FIRST thing I do with a new disk is back it up..
>
> It would be more useful to set up a backup strategy.
>

Er that's how you back it up.

Having a strategy is totally useless if you dont actually implement it,.


> Chris

[Phil]

In message <agl6ai...@mid.individual.net>, Bob Eager
<news...@eager.cx> writes

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:42 -0800, Osprey wrote:
>
>> OK ... annoying, I just built a new PC and paid extra to get Western
>> Digital Caviar Balck HDD as they are supposed to be more relibale than
>> 'Blue or Green' variants.
>>
>> The OS is on an SSD, HDD is used for programs & user data.
>>
>> HDD now does not get detected .... looked in diskmgmt.msc and it does
>> not show.
>> Tried using an external Sata to USB adapater .... drive spins up ... but
>> not detected.
>>
>> Only a few weeks old so under warranty .... but wonder if anybody has
>> anything worth trying to recover the user data ... my docs/ pics /
>> emails.
>>
>> I have backup from previous PC .. but 2 months of data will be missing.
>>
>> I did raise a tkt with WD, but they said as it is not detected - return
>> it for replacment, no assistance with data recovery.
>
>If it's an electronics failure - buy another one and swap the board.
>Desperate measure, I know.
>
>
>

Surely you will change the onboard bad sector mapping?
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[Rednadnerb]

Isn't the bad sector mapping on the disk itself? I know it used to be.

[Andy Burns]

Rednadnerb wrote:

> Isn't the bad sector mapping on the disk itself? I know it used to be.

Now it is. But way-back-when drives used to come with a printed defect
list you were expected to enter into your O/S, or you could leave the
O/S running a "comprehensive surface analysis" for a few days before
before making use of the drive.

[Lee]

On 15/11/2012 20:12, Osprey wrote:

> OK ... annoying, I just built a new PC and paid extra to get Western Digital Caviar Balck HDD as they are supposed to be more relibale than 'Blue or Green' variants.
>
> The OS is on an SSD, HDD is used for programs & user data.
>
> HDD now does not get detected .... looked in diskmgmt.msc and it does not show.
> Tried using an external Sata to USB adapater .... drive spins up ... but not detected.
>
>

Is it detected in the bios? If it is try a Linux CD as others have
suggested.

As an aside, just had an issue with Windows 8 being stupid and suddenly
deciding that it couldn't detect one of my perfectly good drives, which
could be seen in the bios and by Linux. Long story but turns out that
Windows 8 suddenly wasn't happy with the partition table flags, but it
had been for several days prior to that point...

[Scion]

Andy Burns spake thus:

> Rednadnerb wrote:
>
>> Isn't the bad sector mapping on the disk itself? I know it used to be.
>
> Now it is. But way-back-when drives used to come with a printed defect
> list you were expected to enter into your O/S,

Not quite correct. You entered the defect list when running a low-level
format, typically by executing code on the drive controller. The relevant
sectors were then marked as unusable on the drive, and would survive high-
level formats.

> or you could leave the
> O/S running a "comprehensive surface analysis" for a few days before
> before making use of the drive.

Some OSes insisted on this.

[dennis@home]

On 16/11/2012 09:25, Andy Burns wrote:
> Rednadnerb wrote:
>
>> Isn't the bad sector mapping on the disk itself? I know it used to be.
>
> Now it is. But way-back-when drives used to come with a printed defect
> list you were expected to enter into your O/S,

BTDT, the list could be ten enteries or like one I had with about two
hundred enteries. I sent it back as I wasn't going to spend days on it.

You enered the list into the format program, AFAIK the OS read it from
the disk on subsequent boots.

At some point they started storing the bad bits list on the drive and
the formatter could read it for you (if you were lucky).

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 16/11/12 09:19, Rednadnerb wrote:
> Isn't the bad sector mapping on the disk itself? I know it used to be.
>

Yes, and no.

A lot of it is, which means that by the time its noticed by the OS the
drive is terminally shagged.

[Andy Champ]

On 16/11/2012 09:25, Andy Burns wrote:
>

> Now it is. But way-back-when drives used to come with a printed defect
> list you were expected to enter into your O/S, or you could leave the
> O/S running a "comprehensive surface analysis" for a few days before
> before making use of the drive.

I used to write that software. The flaws are often pattern sensitive,
and very hard to spot reliably.

I also wrote the stuff that copied the manufacturers flaw list :)

I'm glad those days have gone.

Andy

[Andy Champ]

On 16/11/2012 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Yes, and no.
>
> A lot of it is, which means that by the time its noticed by the OS the
> drive is terminally shagged.

You do of course monitor your SMART data?

Andy

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yup.

That means I notice before the OS does..

[Mike Tomlinson]

In article <agmir8...@mid.individual.net>, Lee
<cyber...@ukonline.net> writes

>Long story but turns out that
>Windows 8 suddenly wasn't happy with the partition table flags, but it
>had been for several days prior to that point...

Someone posted on uk.comp.homebuilt recently about massive corruption of
an NTFS volume which was used by both Win8 and Linux. I suggested that
M$ might have made some subtle change to NTFS in Win8 which broke the
Linux NTFS code, but the thread was inconclusive.

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[Jethro_uk]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:25:45 +0000, geoff wrote:

> And, yes - always buying hard drives in pairs has saved my data twice in
> recent time

But not *identical* pairs ?

[geoff]

In message <SHqrs.630999$Ol2.4...@fx25.am4>, Jethro_uk
<jeth...@hotmailbin.com> writes

Course not - different serial numbers

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[polygonum]

And not identically failed?

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[geoff]

In message <ah7oa4...@mid.individual.net>, polygonum
<rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> writes

You're getting there, grasshopper

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"geoff" <tr...@uk-diy.org> wrote in message
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Fantastic Maxie. It is nice to see you impart your wisdom to the ignorant.
How is the Paddy band going?