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Simon T

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Jan 26, 2018, 12:03:50 PM1/26/18
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Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
on older properties?

Friend of mine is living in an old house (not sure of the age, early
1900s perhaps?) and the downpipe from the gutter dissapears straight
into the ground.

Anyway, damn thing was bunged up with moss sludge, so dismantled the
pipe and shoved a hose down there, which backflushed the sludge out, but
could only get the hosepipe down about 10" below the ground.

Shoved the end of the my pressure washer down there, felt like I was
hitting stones. Couldn't see a bend in the pipe. But anyway, water seems
to be flowing now, although it didn't drop below the level of whatever
it was the end of my lance was touching, so couldn't see what it was and
as the area is paved, would have to dig it up to see.

So, is this pipe going stright into a soakaway you think?


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Ash Burton

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Jan 26, 2018, 12:22:41 PM1/26/18
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On 26/01/2018 17:03, Simon T wrote:
> Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
> on older properties?
>
> Friend of mine is living in an old house (not sure of the age, early
> 1900s perhaps?) and the downpipe from the gutter dissapears straight
> into the ground.
>
> Anyway, damn thing was bunged up with moss sludge, so dismantled the
> pipe and shoved a hose down there, which backflushed the sludge out, but
> could only get the hosepipe down about 10" below the ground.
>
> Shoved the end of the my pressure washer down there, felt like I was
> hitting stones. Couldn't see a bend in the pipe. But anyway, water seems
> to be flowing now, although it didn't drop below the level of whatever
> it was the end of my lance was touching, so couldn't see what it was and
> as the area is paved, would have to dig it up to see.
>
> So, is this pipe going stright into a soakaway you think?
>
>
It's most likely that it is but it could be going into a main drain if
there is one. A video cam on a flexible probe is the only way to be sure
without digging up.

Dave Plowman (News)

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Jan 26, 2018, 1:19:24 PM1/26/18
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In article <p4fn1j$r3d$1...@dont-email.me>,
Simon T <darka...@REMOVETHISBITlineone.net> wrote:
> Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
> on older properties?

> Friend of mine is living in an old house (not sure of the age, early
> 1900s perhaps?) and the downpipe from the gutter dissapears straight
> into the ground.

On my Victorian house - so a bit older - no soakaways. Rain water goes
into the main drainage.

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Chris B

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Jan 26, 2018, 1:21:30 PM1/26/18
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On 26/01/2018 17:03, Simon T wrote:
> Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
> on older properties?
>
> Friend of mine is living in an old house (not sure of the age, early
> 1900s perhaps?) and the downpipe from the gutter dissapears straight
> into the ground.
>
> Anyway, damn thing was bunged up with moss sludge, so dismantled the
> pipe and shoved a hose down there, which backflushed the sludge out, but
> could only get the hosepipe down about 10" below the ground.
>
> Shoved the end of the my pressure washer down there, felt like I was
> hitting stones. Couldn't see a bend in the pipe. But anyway, water seems
> to be flowing now, although it didn't drop below the level of whatever
> it was the end of my lance was touching, so couldn't see what it was and
> as the area is paved, would have to dig it up to see.
>
> So, is this pipe going stright into a soakaway you think?
>
>
Not just older properties. Mine was built in 1987 and is just as you
describe. We are on chalk so drainage has never been a problem

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Harry Bloomfield

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Jan 26, 2018, 1:30:08 PM1/26/18
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After serious thinking Dave Plowman (News) wrote :
> On my Victorian house - so a bit older - no soakaways. Rain water goes
> into the main drainage.

If it goes to main drainage, somewhere near there will be an inspection
cover. Lift the cover and pour water down the the downspout hole.

Robin

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Jan 26, 2018, 1:43:13 PM1/26/18
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Not necessarily true: at the front of the houses here the rainwater goes
into the sewer with no inspection chamber. (It's a bugger to work out
when the pipes are blocked/collapsed/off on their hols/...)

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Tim Watts

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Jan 26, 2018, 2:25:14 PM1/26/18
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On 26/01/18 17:03, Simon T wrote:
> Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
> on older properties?

I've seen that on a 1930's property and a 1950's one.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jan 26, 2018, 2:38:44 PM1/26/18
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On 26/01/18 17:03, Simon T wrote:
> Is it common for soakaways to be located at the base of the gutter pipe
> on older properties?
>
> Friend of mine is living in an old house (not sure of the age, early
> 1900s perhaps?) and the downpipe from the gutter dissapears straight
> into the ground.
>
> Anyway, damn thing was bunged up with moss sludge, so dismantled the
> pipe and shoved a hose down there, which backflushed the sludge out, but
> could only get the hosepipe down about 10" below the ground.
>
> Shoved the end of the my pressure washer down there, felt like I was
> hitting stones. Couldn't see a bend in the pipe. But anyway, water seems
> to be flowing now, although it didn't drop below the level of whatever
> it was the end of my lance was touching, so couldn't see what it was and
> as the area is paved, would have to dig it up to see.
>
> So, is this pipe going stright into a soakaway you think?
>
>
Or a french dtain


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Tim Lamb

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Jan 26, 2018, 3:52:20 PM1/26/18
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In message <v4tm6dpsslhe3lv6l...@4ax.com>, Chris Hogg
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>Likewise 1960's properties. On our recently inherited bungalow, some
>down pipes have a soakaway immediately underneath, others feed into
>the mains drainage. But planning permission for a recently installed
>conservatory was conditional on rainwater being piped to a soakaway
>dug 5 metres away from the foundations.

Often found at 6m:-) Standard pipe length.

We once had a house dating from the Edwardian period. That had a *soft
water well* : big underground brick tank with a nice arched roof.
Rainwater was piped there in 3" salt glaze. Pipes also ran off at high
level to a drain field under the lawn. The house had a small room known
as the *tank room* and I think water was pumped there for use. Mains
water led to the storage tank being removed and a toilet fitted in the
space.

Bad move to discharge water near foundations! My grandfather had a house
built in Cambridgeshire. The builder misread the plans and put the
kitchen sink in the wrong place. To overcome the problem he used a
90deg. bend in the pipework leading to the cess pit.

When we sold the house 50 years later the couple buying knew that there
had been some long standing subsidence and arranged an investigation. An
excavation of the suspect foundation found that grandfather had broken
the pipe at the bend by enthusiastic rodding.
40 plus years of bath and dishwashing water had done the rest.

The geological survey has the area as Greensand which is meaningless to
me. Plenty of nice Chalk as well.
>

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Jan 26, 2018, 7:39:30 PM1/26/18
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In article <p4fs3d$1c3$1...@dont-email.me>,
On mine you can work it out by looking at the pipe outlets to it.

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Brian Gaff

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Jan 27, 2018, 3:25:05 AM1/27/18
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You are lucky to have a soakaway. (No not a Monty Python sketch), we have an
extra downpipe at a right angled corner near a door to stop the water
whizzing over the edge and onto unsuspecting callers at the door. This has
an angled pipe on the end going straight into a flower bed, now the Camilia
in there has gone berserk!

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Mario @ Luigi

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Jan 28, 2021, 4:31:05 PM1/28/21
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We had this, also checked all nearby drains for bubbles when flushing - none. We researched soakaways decided ours was not functioning anymore, house 1890, new regulations would put a soak away in middle of main road, and next doors garden. We had had damp ever since lived there but only investigated after flushing the gutters and flooding side of house. Also found the old iron pipe was cemented into the underground pipe as angled too near wall. Quick solution, new Downpipes angled across wall leading to kitchen drain. Took only 2 hours Not economical or point in digging up old soak away pipes.

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Fredxx

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Jan 28, 2021, 4:48:13 PM1/28/21
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On 28/01/2021 21:31, Mario@Luigi wrote:
> We had this, also checked all nearby drains for bubbles when flushing -
> none. We researched soakaways decided ours was not functioning anymore,
> house 1890,  new regulations would put a soak away in middle of main
> road, and next doors garden. We had had damp ever since lived there but
> only investigated after flushing the gutters and flooding side of house.
> Also found the old iron pipe was cemented into the underground pipe as
> angled too near wall.  Quick solution, new Downpipes angled across wall
> leading to kitchen drain. Took only 2 hours  Not economical or point in
> digging up old soak away pipes.


I strong recommend you read this before you reply again to to a 3 year
old post:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub

Most of us will have absolutely no idea what you've just 'had'.


Jimmy Stewart ...

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Jan 29, 2021, 1:56:18 AM1/29/21
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On 28/01/2021 21:31, Mario@Luigi wrote:
> We had this, also checked all nearby drains for bubbles when flushing -
> none. We researched soakaways decided ours was not functioning anymore,
> house 1890,  new regulations would put a soak away in middle of main
> road, and next doors garden. We had had damp ever since lived there but
> only investigated after flushing the gutters and flooding side of house.
> Also found the old iron pipe was cemented into the underground pipe as
> angled too near wall.  Quick solution, new Downpipes angled across wall
> leading to kitchen drain. Took only 2 hours  Not economical or point in
> digging up old soak away pipes.
>
shocking ...overloading the sewer ......

Mario & Luigi

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Jan 29, 2021, 9:01:02 AM1/29/21
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I Read the top post of thread I was replying too.. my reply is now in the stack so not sure why you cannot see it as a thread. I could have pasted the whole thing but didn’t think needed too. But as it’s not come through? It was.... ‘is it common for soakaways to be at the base of the gutter pipe in older properties.... I found the post while researching ours and although 3 years old. We had similar issue last week, plus I read all the threads that help our issue last week so perhaps someone else with this issue may want advice this week :) Thanks for advice I’ll pop original post in first next time.

Mario & Luigi

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Jan 29, 2021, 9:01:02 AM1/29/21
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‘Shocking overloading the sewer’. Reply. We also researched the road where we live. 50% of the houses in our Road now divert their gutters by overground pipes towards the main road. When we have Heavy Downpours the road floods like a river running down the sides towards the business at the bottom of the road. Which gets flooded. Much More Shocking. :)

Roger Hayter

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Jan 29, 2021, 6:18:18 PM1/29/21
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On 29 Jan 2021 at 14:00:59 GMT, "Mario & Luigi"
<11bdef2e646acc59...@example.com> wrote:

> ‘Shocking overloading the sewer’. Reply. We also researched the road where
> we live. 50% of the houses in our Road now divert their gutters by
> overground pipes towards the main road. When we have Heavy Downpours the road
> floods like a river running down the sides towards the business at the bottom
> of the road. Which gets flooded. Much More Shocking. :)

Of course if *everyone* diverted their surface water to the sewer then it
would probably be the sewer backing up into people's houses and running down
the street.

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alan_m

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Jan 29, 2021, 7:32:07 PM1/29/21
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On 29/01/2021 14:00, Mario & Luigi wrote:
> I Read the top post of thread I was replying too.. my reply is now in
> the stack so not sure why you cannot see it as a thread.

That's because you are posting via home owners hub while the rest of us
are using newsreaders with a Usenet feed. Home owners hub promotes posts
from 3 to 15 years ago as if they were posted yesterday. In general,
cannot remember what was posted 3 to 15 years ago and most Usenet users
cannot be bothered to launch yet another program just to visit a web
site that just "steals" posts from the original sources and then
pretends that the "hub" is the source.

See
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub


> I could have
> pasted the whole thing but didn’t think needed too.

The DIY Usenet group has maybe 1000 posts a week. Most subscribers
cannot remember the context of what was posted yesterday let alone 3
years ago in your case, and from up to 15 years ago in most posts that
are dragged out of archives from the hub interface.


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Tim Lamb

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Jan 30, 2021, 4:29:32 AM1/30/21
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In message <i7jjdn...@mid.individual.net>, Roger Hayter
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Nobody has yet mentioned a charge for non metered water returned by the
sewer.
>

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Jimmy Stewart ...

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Jan 30, 2021, 8:35:31 AM1/30/21
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On 29/01/2021 14:00, Mario & Luigi wrote:
> ‘Shocking overloading the sewer’.  Reply.  We also researched the road
> where we live.  50% of the houses in our Road now divert their gutters
> by overground pipes towards the main road. When we have Heavy Downpours
> the road floods like a river running down the sides towards the business
> at the bottom of the road. Which gets flooded.  Much More Shocking.  :)
>
totly

Andrew

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Jan 30, 2021, 9:01:43 AM1/30/21
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But unless you live somewhere like Worthing, it doesn't get
into the foul drains unless there is a tropical downpour,
when it ends up dumped into the sea via a series of outfalls
that terminate well *above* low tide line.

Southern water have helpfully put up notices advising of
'poor beach conditions' after heavy rain !

Jimmy Stewart ...

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Jan 30, 2021, 9:43:03 AM1/30/21
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what a load of shite

George Miles

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Jan 30, 2021, 1:46:48 PM1/30/21
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soakaways get blocked over time and have to be redug.

Doesnt matter much if rainwater overflows a few times a year.

But it does matter if like ours it goes into the sewer and the sewer overflows.

george

Rod Speed

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Thought you said you wouldn’t be back...

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


>> totly
>
> Thought you said you wouldn’t be back...

Thought you'd swallow your Nembutal finally, you useless trolling senile
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Andrew

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Jan 31, 2021, 7:39:43 AM1/31/21
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fact. Along the coast at Brighton, surfers/swimmers created an
action group SAS (Surfers Against Sewage) because they were
getting ill all the time.

Southern Water finally fixed? the problem by using a Tunnel Boring
Machine to make a massive chamber under Brighton promenade which
captures excess sewage/rainwater after heavy rain.
Then they can pump it out and treat it after the storm has passed.

Steve Walker

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Jan 31, 2021, 12:43:05 PM1/31/21
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It must be big. The quantities involved can be massive. I remember
reading about when United Utilities tried to charge Peel Holdings for
rainwater drainage from the Trafford Centre (until Peel pointed out that
their run-off went into the Manchester Ship Canal ... that they owned).
The figure for the Trafford Centre and its car parks was 10 tonnes per
second!

Andrew

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Steve Walker

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Feb 2, 2021, 12:01:42 PM2/2/21
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5km of 6m diameter - yup, that's pretty big.


Chorisia

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Aug 16, 2022, 10:15:07 AM8/16/22
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I have found soakaway weels in the two victorian semi detached house I have owned both covered with adome of bricks about two feet below soil level. In my present house the soakaway is about amter wide bricks not morter bonded about 14 feet deep when I took the dome offdry snad at the bottom I put a false 'bae' in three feet from the top old mutiwall platic over anold aluminum laddre let into the sides bricked up to half a meter above ground level and put a pondliner in protected with a thin layer of sand under the liner. Pond now twenty years old roof water runs in and then over the top down the sides,understandably now covered with green moss.A shrub has rooted in the side of the bricks will have to go soon as starting to lever the top layer of bricks appart. Birds daily bathe in the pond I guess they fel less exposed than in the ground level pond to my sworn enemies local cats
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/2s3c

jon

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Aug 16, 2022, 11:13:03 AM8/16/22
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:15:03 +0000, Chorisia wrote:

> I have found soakaway weels in the two victorian semi detached house I
> have owned both covered with adome of bricks about two feet below soil
> level. In my present house the soakaway is about amter wide bricks not
> morter bonded about 14 feet deep when I took the dome offdry snad at the
> bottom I put a false 'bae' in three feet from the top old mutiwall
> platic over anold aluminum laddre let into the sides bricked up to half
> a meter above ground level and put a pondliner in protected with a thin
> layer of sand under the liner. Pond now twenty years old roof water runs
> in and then over the top down the sides,understandably now covered with
> green moss.A shrub has rooted in the side of the bricks will have to go
> soon as starting to lever the top layer of bricks appart. Birds daily
> bathe in the pond I guess they fel less exposed than in the ground level
> pond to my sworn enemies local cats
> https://www.homeownershub.com/img/2s3c

How big are your meters ?

Tony Edwards

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Jun 10, 2023, 11:47:32 AM6/10/23
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The circular brick pond looks like a well one meter wide as is the water well that was once used by both semi detached 1866 large semi detached houses under the garden wall . The other semi I owned in Ipswich had almost identical soakaway well kitchen and roof drained into the soakaway. There must be many Victorian houses that have these that will be brick domed top untouched about half a meter below the garden surface if you are lucky, unfortunately some will have been discovered and used as a dump. They are a valuable drainage asset. Of course soakaways in the form of a well have bricks that are unbonded. Do not take run off from a flat roof covered with Cromapol it makes water toxic to much pond life as Cromapol advise. Another
fibreglass pond in the garden takes the run off from a plant covered flat roof,unfertilised alpines as a result is healthy.
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