how much floor slope can you have without noticing it?
RobertL
like to put a small downward slope on the floor. The floor is 4
metres long.
How much slope can you put on a floor without people noticing it. My
guess is about 0.5 % (5mm in a metre).
Does anyone know what is the maximum slope that is not noticable?
thanks,
Robert
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My builder left the loft conversion floor with a slope of ~20mm over a
span of 4.5m. This was so noticeable that I took the trouble to fix
it.
You will not believe how much effort that took!
Brian
Tim Watts
I have around 10mm over 1.5m between two rooms down a passage past the
stairs. I cannot detect it even knowing it is there.
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ARWadsworth
That is about the same slope as in my hallway. Last night after a very good
bonfire and lots of alcohol the girlriends father fell over in the hallway
and he is blaming slope on the floor.
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Adam
Lobster
There's no answer to that because it's subjective. A better question
would be "I'd like to put in a slope of X - would that be noticeable?"
My gut feeling is that I think you'd get away with a bit more than 0.5%
David
Tim Watts
Unless the slope is gratuitous (am think Devon cottage) IME minor slopes
aren't noticeable (unless you play marbles) - what is noticeable are bumps.
My kitchen was 1.5" out over 5m. If it had been planar, I would have
saved myself a lot of trouble and left it. It wasn't, it had 1" bumps
over 2' which you could feel with your feet, hence spending a lot of
time and effort flattening (and levelling) it.
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harry
In days of yore many houses were built with slopes on the (stone
paved) floor, towards the door. This was so the floor could be
sluiced down and the water swept out of the door, a system that works
well. I have owned a few such places and one soon gets used to it
(along with strange steps and stairways. The slope was often a lot
more than you are proposing.
However people unused to it go falling about the place, we are all so
accustomed to walking about on flat and level surfaces.
GB
convert that to metric for you if you want). It's been like since the house
was built 60 years ago, I guess. It's not an issue, and nobody has fallen
there in the last 12 years since we have been in the house.
Based on that, I'd be tempted to put the whole of your 2cm drop over the
first foot or two as you enter the room and have the rest level. Otherwise,
you'll have problems with kitchen units and worktops which will never be
square to a sloping floor - I think the worktop needs to be horizontal.
Tim Watts
Units usually have adjustable feet - you'd only need to trim the
kickboard. But you have a point Re: appliances - many are adjustable,
not all are.
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Matty F
When I bought my house, the centre was supported by the fireplace
foundations and the outside of the house had sunk all around. A 4
metre room was 600mm lower at one end than the other. That was really
hard to walk in!
The doors had diagonals cut off the top and bottom.
John Whitworth
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> thanks,
> Robert
Due to my overusage of sand as a levelling compound under Celotex floor
insulation, and the way that I packed the centre of the floor space, there
is a slightly raised area down the middle of the length of the garage. I
guess it is probably about 7-8mm raised at the centre of a 2.4m span. It's
not noticeable in everyday use. It worried the hell out of me when I was
fitting skirtings etc - but once carpet etc was laid, it looked fine, and is
not noticeable.
Re: the loft conversion that Brian fixed - I wonder if that was also because
upon entering the loft from the floor below, the slope was more noticeable,
and hence 'felt' more noticeable when standing on it?
JW
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> Tim Watts
Agreed - I fitted kitchen units and worktop across the 2.4m span of the
converted garage (which was raised by 7-8mm in the centre. The units all had
adjustable feet, so it was no issue. Biggest problem I had was an untrue
wall, where the plasterboard came out about 20mm more at one side than the
other.
Regarding the worktop - if it's sitting on cupboards, then that is taken
care of by the unit feet - and if not, then you will just be cutting
legs/end panels to the correct length - and battening to the wall at the
correct height, so not an issue.
Hadn't thought about problems with appliances - but surely at the end of the
day, some wooden packing, or some of those plastic coloured shims would do
the job?
JW
RobertL
Thank you all for your help with this. In fact my roof is 8m long
with the kithcen units on the first 4m and the slope will be ion teh
second 4m leading to the outside doors. The other possibklity is to
simply put in a step half way, which might also help tp make it look
less long.
thanks again,
Robert
Mihai
> m over 1
I think you mean 200mm or 20cm at 4.5m to be noticeable. you can't possible
notice 20mm at 4.5m
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The Natural Philosopher
> you can't possible
> notice 20mm at 4.5m
Especially if s a hard smooth floor and you drop a ball on it, or spill
a liquid..
harry
> replying to briandotdrury, Mihai wrote:
> > m over 1
> I think you mean 200mm or 20cm at 4.5m to be noticeable. you can't possible
GB
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Any fool can tell if a floor is sloping by dropping a ball on it or spilling a
liquid, just as they could by using a spirit level.
The question being posed all those years ago is how much it
would have to slope for you to notice it without the aid of tools
or apparatus of any kind;either deliberately or by accident.
I rather suspect that you've rather underestimated the stupidity
of the person you responded to in this particular instance.
HTH
GB
>
> Any fool can tell if a floor is sloping by dropping a ball on it or spilling a
> liquid, just as they could by using a spirit level.
>
> The question being posed all those years ago is how much it
> would have to slope for you to notice it without the aid of tools
> or apparatus of any kind;either deliberately or by accident.
walking along it, but when you put a run of kitchen units or a wardrobe
on it.
Tim Watts
level and be utterly unable to see it.
I have this in the passage way from my kitchen to lobby.
OK - if you had this in an area where you could place a table with 4
legs, you'd get some rocking, but for a planar slope, no normal person
would notice, without getting out a level.
Phil L
GB
end than the other?
A one metre wide wardrobe would need 0.5 cm packing along one side so
it's vertical.
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't recall living in a house with that much slope
on the floor.
charles
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>>
>> Any fool can tell if a floor is sloping by dropping a ball on it or
>> spilling a
>> liquid, just as they could by using a spirit level.
>>
>> The question being posed all those years ago is how much it
>> would have to slope for you to notice it without the aid of tools
>> or apparatus of any kind;either deliberately or by accident.
>
> I genuinely think that 2cm in 4m would be noticeable.
the house and its completely invisible. I did it like that on
purpose because the house sits right on the ground with
a concrete slab. I ensured that the top of the slab is quite
a bit higher than that above the surrounding ground level
so that even flood wouldn’t come into the house and its
completely invisible.
> Maybe not just walking along it, but when you put a run of kitchen units
> or a wardrobe on it.
Tim Watts
> In article <9co7jd-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>, Tim Watts
>
>> OK - if you had this in an area where you could place a table with 4
>> legs, you'd get some rocking, but for a planar slope, no normal person
>> would notice, without getting out a level.
>
>
I meant where the table crosses the level and unlevel planes..
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If a building with a rigid steel frame were struck by an earthquake
such that one end dropped by say 20cm then its quite possible
that all the interior angles of the frame, and thus the corners
of the rooms remained at 90%. So just as you have might have an
imperceptibly sloping floor, so you might also have imperceptibly
sloping walls which can accommodate kitchen units or wardrobes
without giving any visual clues at all.
Although obviously if you decided to store balls or loose
liquids on the shelves inside the units or wardrobe then that
should possibly give the game away.
Vir Campestris
> replying to briandotdrury, Mihai wrote:
>> m over 1
> I think you mean 200mm or 20cm at 4.5m to be noticeable. you can't possible
> notice 20mm at 4.5m
>
to get the long level and check exactly, it slopes in all sorts of
directions and isn't flat either, so it may be some bits are stepper
than that.
It probably wasn't flat when it was built, and that's about 300 years ago.
Andy
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an aquarium and the water is sloping.
I stayed in an old hotel room on CI some years ago, and you could feel the
tilt upstairs.
Brian
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> notice 20mm at 4.5m
>
desk on it and tried to level it up.
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fall off the ceiling below!
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alan_m
probably get away with not noticing a relatively steep slope until you
introduce a point of reference that is truly horizontal. Kitchen units,
as mentioned earlier, will show the slope as the bottom of the level
cabinets are close to the floor providing a point of reference
The ceilings in my house were not level* and sloped by approx 2.5cm over
a distance of around 3.5m. This was not that noticeable when the walls
and ceiling were painted the same colour however when removing paper
from the walls the difference in colour between the ceiling and bare
plaster made the slope very noticeable.
*The 9 foot high ceilings are now 8 foot high suspended plasterboard
ceilings where the supporting metal frame was installed level.
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The Natural Philosopher
> On 10/03/2023 17:08, R D S wrote:
>> On 26/12/2016 02:44, Mihai wrote:
>>
>>> you can't possible
>>> notice 20mm at 4.5m
>>>
>> I've a floor at work far worse than that, didn't notice until I put a
>> desk on it and tried to level it up.
>
> There is a difference with living with it and noticing it. You can
> probably get away with not noticing a relatively steep slope until you
> introduce a point of reference that is truly horizontal. Kitchen units,
> as mentioned earlier, will show the slope as the bottom of the level
> cabinets are close to the floor providing a point of reference
>
you can see visually. Try it
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alan_m
> Exactly wrong, your sense of balance can detect slopes much less than
> you can see visually. Try it
facilitate drainage?
The Natural Philosopher
> On 12/03/2023 12:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Exactly wrong, your sense of balance can detect slopes much less than
>> you can see visually. Try it
>
> Do people actually detect the slope on a driveway, patio etc. to
> facilitate drainage?
>
but not how steep it is.
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Rod Speed
> On 12/03/2023 12:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Exactly wrong, your sense of balance can detect slopes much less than
>> you can see visually. Try it
>
> Do people actually detect the slope on a driveway, patio etc. to
> facilitate drainage?
sits on because I set it up with a theodelite when building
the house on a bare block of land and used what we call
a backhoe to push the dirt up to the walls once the walls
were done. You can't pick it by eye or by walking on it.
Peeler
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