Permutit PSM-65 water softener trouble
JonE
I've just recently acquired one of these softeners and have just got to
the commissioning step.
Has anyone got one of these that can help me.
I have followed the instructions in the accompanying leaflet to the letter.
I have turned the appropriate dial to the backwash position and closed
the bypass valve and opened the inlet valve.
Apparently I should here the blue tank filling and air and then water
coming out of the waste pipe - but I get nothing.
I've checked that my inlet pipe is not blocked and the waste pipe is not
blocked, and none of the pipes are kinked. (I know I should really have
hard plumbed it but I need to be able to move it if necessary)
Does anyone have any suggestions?
As an aside I don't seem to be able to get the nylon adapters to screw
into the back tight enough so they still weep a bit - I must have used
about 15 turns of PTFE tape so far - do I really need more???? or am I
missing a washer (only had washers supplied to go between the adapter
and the hose not between the adapter and the softener).
Corr - sorry that's got a bit long.
Hope some kind sole can help
Jon Edwards
Andy Hall
wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I've just recently acquired one of these softeners and have just got to
>the commissioning step.
>
>Has anyone got one of these that can help me.
>
>I have followed the instructions in the accompanying leaflet to the letter.
>
>I have turned the appropriate dial to the backwash position and closed
>the bypass valve and opened the inlet valve.
>
>Apparently I should here the blue tank filling and air and then water
>coming out of the waste pipe - but I get nothing.
>
>I've checked that my inlet pipe is not blocked and the waste pipe is not
>blocked, and none of the pipes are kinked. (I know I should really have
>hard plumbed it but I need to be able to move it if necessary)
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
I don't have this particular model, but do you know if it's a timer
type or a demand metered type? This really triggers the regeneration
mechanism which is essentially similar for both types. THe timer
approach is obvious, with the metered type, there is a volume meter
which triggers regeneration after so much water has flowed.
There is then an over-ride mechanism in most cases whereby you can
force a regeneration cycle. Since all of this is normally
mechanical with a set of valves and gears, it's possible that the
mechanism has simply latched in a funny state. I would suggest
undoing the outlet hose and seeing whether you can get water to flow
through the machine. Then turn the over-ride control until the
mechanism triggers and let it run the cycle.
You could also look at the valve and see which make and model it is.
There are not many manufacturers, but Autotrol is a major one. If you
can find the manual for the valve on the valve manufacturer's web site
it will probably have more information.
>
>As an aside I don't seem to be able to get the nylon adapters to screw
>into the back tight enough so they still weep a bit - I must have used
>about 15 turns of PTFE tape so far - do I really need more???? or am I
>missing a washer (only had washers supplied to go between the adapter
>and the hose not between the adapter and the softener).
Again the valve manufacturer's data should help.
>
>Corr - sorry that's got a bit long.
>
>Hope some kind sole can help
As long as he's in the right plaice.
>
>Jon Edwards
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John Rumm
>>Hope some kind sole can help
>
>
> As long as he's in the right plaice.
And is Brill with softners and Dab hand at plumbing?
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Andy Hall
<see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>Andy Hall wrote:
>
>>>Hope some kind sole can help
>>
>>
>> As long as he's in the right plaice.
>
>
>And is Brill with softners and Dab hand at plumbing?
Oh my cod.....
I think you're floundering now.
JonE
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:51:04 +0100, John Rumm
> <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>
>
>>Andy Hall wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Hope some kind sole can help
>>>
>>>
>>>As long as he's in the right plaice.
>>
>>
>>And is Brill with softners and Dab hand at plumbing?
>
>
>
> Oh my cod.....
>
> I think you're floundering now.
>
>
The valve is an Autotrol 460i (It is a metered machine) and I've found
the manual at:-
http://www.gewater.com/pdf/1017948-%20Manual-%20Autotrol%20460i%20Control.pdf
I'll have a look at it.
Thanks very much.
Andy Hall
wrote:
You might want to check the salt settings when you have it working. It
should have been preset for the size of resin tank but possibly not
for hardness of water. Some Googling will reveal the conversion
factor between the American method of measurement used in the spec.
and the European ones. Your water supplier should have the hardness
of your water as a figure he can give you. It makes sense to get
this reasonably right so as to provide enough softening capacity but
not waste salt.
Christian McArdle
>
> I think you're floundering now.
Is that your sole contribution to this thread?
Christian.
JonE
>
> You might want to check the salt settings when you have it working. It
> should have been preset for the size of resin tank but possibly not
> for hardness of water. Some Googling will reveal the conversion
> factor between the American method of measurement used in the spec.
> and the European ones. Your water supplier should have the hardness
> of your water as a figure he can give you. It makes sense to get
> this reasonably right so as to provide enough softening capacity but
> not waste salt.
>
>
Thanks for that,
The salt setting bit is one thing the manual is good on and I got a
water hardness test kit in with the softener.
It reckoned that the hardness was 271ppm so I phoned Thames water who
told me 274.5ppm - not a bad result from the kit then.
I'm still having truble getting these nylon fittings to seal correctly -
do I just need to keep winding them with PTFE tape or do I need to
resort to other means????
Regards
Jon E
Andy Hall
That's where we came in. Keep up at the back :-)
Casper
I think you should get a plumber to plumb it in properly softener need to be
installed correctly failing that call out the manufacturers engineer.
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John Rumm
> replying to JonE, Casper wrote:
> I think you should get a plumber to plumb it in properly softener need
> to be
> installed correctly failing that call out the manufacturers engineer.
You are answering request for information that is now 11 years old, do
you not suppose this problem has now been resolved?
Just for you:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub
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> On 15/09/2016 12:44, Casper wrote:
>> replying to JonE, Casper wrote:
>> I think you should get a plumber to plumb it in properly softener need
>> to be
>> installed correctly failing that call out the manufacturers engineer.
>
> Casper,
>
> You are answering request for information that is now 11 years old, do
> you not suppose this problem has now been resolved?
unused, waiting for the truly brilliant technical suggestion to get a
plumber in. It stands to reason the OP from 11 years ago won't have
thought of that, after all.
Did you know that 15 September is National Sarcasm Day?
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