Spider webs on CCTV cams grrrrrr!

[Vet Tech]

Does anyone have suggestions for deterring spiders from casting webs
over the front of CCTV cameras?
The red glow of the infra red LEDs seem to attract them and the web
shows up very brightly.
Plus the spider keeps activating the inbuilt motion sensor.we
when it moves around.

[Andy Cap]

On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT), Vet Tech <sendit...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Kleeneze do a spider repellent based on Horse Chestnut extract, but I can't
vouch for it's efficacy.

[Nick]

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I had always thought this to be an old wives tale until my wife started
placing conkers around the place about five years ago, supposedly to deter
spiders.
I can say without doubt that it works but the conkers have to be renewed
annually. I don't have any scientific info on why it works or why we are
both arachnophobes.
OTOH I suppose a bunch of conkers hanging around a cctv camera.........would
look daft but could be worth trying.
HTH

[Adrian C]

From googling "cctv spider".

http://www.spiderex.co.uk/

Youtube also has a few cctv spider videos.

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[Matty F]

I spray all around the camera with a surface flyspray that lasts a few
weeks.
I wish the lights were separate from the cameras. Then the camera
could be low and unseen by vandals, and the spiders could put their
webs over the lights if they want.

Why are the lights a dull red glow anyway? I have cheap cameras with
invisible lights. Why are they not all like that?

[Robin]

> I had always thought this to be an old wives tale until my wife
> started placing conkers around the place about five years ago,
> supposedly to deter spiders.
> I can say without doubt that it works but the conkers have to be
> renewed annually. I don't have any scientific info on why it works or
> why we are both arachnophobes.

The RSC did their bit to try to find a scientific answer without coming
up with a firm conclusion. See
http://prospect.rsc.org/blogs/rsc/2009/10/09/jon/are-spiders-scared-of-conkers/.
(It includes a really good video which shows some schools at least still
encourage a proper approach to science).
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[harry]

WD40/other silicon spray prevents them from attaching webs...........

[Mathew Newton]

On May 11, 3:00 am, Matty F <mattyf9...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

> Why are the lights a dull red glow anyway? I have cheap cameras with
> invisible lights. Why are they not all like that?

It's down to the different wavelength of the IR LEDs used and the
decreased sensitivity of the human eye to those at the higher end of
the IR spectrum. Wavelengths around 880nm exhibit the dull red glow
whereas those towards 940nm however do cost slightly more.

Mathew

[Mathew Newton]

On May 11, 9:21 am, Mathew Newton <use...@newtonnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Wavelengths around 880nm exhibit the dull red glow
> whereas those towards 940nm however do cost slightly more.

A slight correction: the visible LEDs are perhaps even lower at ~840nm
and, thinking about it, they are perhaps used also to match the IR
sensitivity of the camera being used.

Mathew

[Gib Bogle]

I'd guess that the light attracts insects, which attract spiders. Maybe
try fly paper.

[fred]

On 10 May, 18:10, Andy Cap <pvimx...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT), Vet Tech <senditont...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have suggestions for deterring spiders from casting webs
> >over the front of CCTV cameras?
> >The red glow of the infra red LEDs seem to attract them and the web
> >shows up very brightly.
> > Plus the spider keeps activating the inbuilt motion sensor.we
> >when it moves around.
>
> Kleeneze do a spider repellent based on Horse Chestnut extract, but I can't
> vouch for it's efficacy.

Visited a French chateau years ago and the tour included a visit to
the roof space. The guide stated the roof timbers were all made form
chestnut to keep spiders etc away. There was certainly a noticeable
absence of webs etc.

[Tabby]

On May 10, 5:16 pm, Vet Tech <senditont...@gmail.com> wrote:

Insetcs really hate strong smells. Any of numerous strong smelling
oils can evaporate slowly enough to last ages. Paraffin is one fo teh
cheapest.

NT

[Matty F]

Using cheaper but visible LEDs simply means that the cameras cannot be
put in the best place or they will be vandalised. I removed the IR
filter from a camera but that altered the focus beyond any possible
adjustment.

[sparky...@gmail.com]

That sounds very sensible.Will try that. Thanks.

[Andy Burns]

sparky...@gmail.com wrote:

> May 11, 2011 Gib Bogle wrote:
>
>> Vet Tech wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have suggestions for deterring spiders from casting webs
>>> over the front of CCTV cameras?
>>

>> Maybe try fly paper.
>
> That sounds very sensible.Will try that. Thanks.

Yes it's a zombie post from four years ago, but if someone's interested

<http://spiderex.co.uk>

[Brian-Gaff]

Hmm, well I think my spiders are falling down on the job here, they
obviously do not eat the insects that haved turned my ankles into the
biggest itch I've ever known.

Brian

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/06/15 09:19, Brian-Gaff wrote:
> Hmm, well I think my spiders are falling down on the job here, they
> obviously do not eat the insects that haved turned my ankles into the
> biggest itch I've ever known.
>
> Brian
>

That what I thought until I twigged that the combination of amlodipine +
Cheese was in fact the culprit.

Either on their own, no rash, both together, massive bleeding scabby itches.


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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <5-Sdneaqu81TBAzI...@brightview.co.uk>,

Was replaying a video of one making a web at night across my camera.
One slightly interesting thing - when it comes to making the fine
spiral part, the web does not show up under infrared instantly - it
takes about 30-90 seconds for the strand to become fully visible after
the spider has put it in position and moved further on.

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[dude...@btinternet.com]

Hahahaha thats the funnyest this ive heared in a long time...........Most web spinning spiders are blind,Bugs etc are attreacted to IR ,so spiders learn it as a food source..Oh and just to let you know ,Arachnology is my Job.

[Bill Wright]

On 27/10/2017 00:46, dude...@btinternet.com wrote:

>
> Hahahaha thats the funnyest this ive heared in a long time...........Most web spinning spiders are blind,Bugs etc are attreacted to IR ,so spiders learn it as a food source..Oh and just to let you know ,Arachnology is my Job.
>

And being obnoxious is your hobby?

Bill

[Rod Speed]

Bill Wright <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote

Nope, way of life for him.

[Brian Gaff]

This thread has been going since 2011, but it does seem to be a very popular
problem. all cameras should be fitted with an air blast device to clear the
spider webs away.
Brian

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[alan_m]

On 27/10/2017 07:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
> This thread has been going since 2011, but it does seem to be a very popular
> problem. all cameras should be fitted with an air blast device to clear the
> spider webs away.

Having just cleared my porch area of webs and spiders nests I'm sure it
will take more than a blast of air to clean them away.


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[Mathew Newton]

Not to mention reading what was actually written; I was explaining the difference of appearance to the *human* eye - not spiders.

Mathew

[Nikos Zafeiris]

This is my DIY solution to the problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU. Ever since I installed it, no more accidental recordings!

[Rod Speed]

Nikos Zafeiris <ni...@zafeiris.com> wrote

> This is my DIY solution to the problem

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU.Ever since I installed it,
> no more accidental recordings!

Interesting approach. Wouldn't work on my car external
mirrors tho. It lives under my trees outside and the spiders
appear to live inside the body of the mirror and put the web
right on the gaps around the mirror itself. No biggy with the
car because its easy to wipe the web away with your hand
and spray fly spray around the mirror itself which works
until a new spider shows up.

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 20/01/2022 17:16, Nikos Zafeiris wrote:
> This is my DIY solution to the problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU. Ever since I installed it, no more accidental recordings!

Those boxy cameras have plenty of anchor points for spiders to construct
their webs across the lens.

The half globe type are not so much of a problem.

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[Rod Speed]

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> Nikos Zafeiris wrote

>> This is my DIY solution to the problem

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU.Ever since I installed it,
>> no more accidental recordings!

> Those boxy cameras have plenty of anchor pointsfor spiders to construct

> their webs across the lens.

> The half globe type are not so much of a problem.

Wonder why the manufacturers don't fix the problem.

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On 20/01/2022 17:16, Nikos Zafeiris wrote:

> This is my DIY solution to the problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU. Ever since I installed it, no more accidental recordings!

Now the *serious* DIY people here would have had at least an Arduino or
Raspberry Pi looking at a sensor to decide when the brush needs to be
operated :-)

[Rod Speed]

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> Nikos Zafeiris wrote

>> This is my DIY solution to the problem

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU.Ever since I installed it,
>> no more accidental recordings!

> Now the *serious* DIY people here would have hadat least an Arduino or
> Raspberry Pi looking at a sensorto decide when the brush needs to be
> operated :-)

Those with a clue would have the system detect a spider and zap it with
fly spray.

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Care to explain in words, much intrigued, I assume it does not involve
nuking spiders.
Brian

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[Rod Speed]

Brian Gaff (Sofa) <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> Care to explain in words,

Sorry, forgot about you.

> much intrigued,

It's an arm that has a head of longist things on it that
moves across the front of the camera to break up the
spider's web that might be in front of the camera.

> I assume it does not involve nuking spiders.

Nar. just the web.

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>Care to explain in words, much intrigued, I assume it does not involve
>nuking spiders.

It is a motorised yard broom rotating vaguely across the lens and
retreating out of the way. I expect the system can be remotely operated
rather than from the push button fixed near the camera:-)

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[Nikos Zafeiris]

So, my "invention" is not a manually operated broom but an automated spider web remover. After all this ip camera is 3 meters above the ground, installed on top of a pole. Here is what I did (total cost 30 euros, time spent to build it 3 hours.
1. I bought a fish feader (https://www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/Products/Accessories/Automatic-feeder/EasyFeed-automatic-feeder/).
2. Took out the feed container.
3. Attached a pipe on the rotor
4. Used a 90 degrees pipe connector
5. Connected a pipe to the connector
6. Took a piece of bristles from a broom
7. Attached the bristles in the pipe. Be sure to use soft bristles, because the feeder's motor is not very strong. I have cut most of the bristles so that they almost touch the camera lens, while leaving 4 bristles longer to reach further. The two "antennas" from the wire is just to add an awkward look!
8. Fixed the feeder in the IP Camera with tire ups
9. Put some plastic to protect the battery compartment from rain. Do not fully enclose the feeder in a plastic wrap! Water will find its way in the feeder and if it nor properly aerated it will be destroyed by moisture. You only need to protect it from a lot of water.
10 .Programmed it to run twice every night
DONE!

You don't need any remote control or AI to control it. It runs twice every night, which more than enough to keep the camera clear form the spider webs.

[Nikos Zafeiris]

You don't need to kill the poor spiders. You would have to kill all spiders in a radius of 4 km in order to deter them from making a new spider web on your camera for a year. My invention does what we do to get rid of the web twice a night. No harm done to any living creature.

[Brian]

Do you find the spiders make webs that often?

We have several cameras, only two seem to attract spiders - oddly they
are probably the most two exposed ones. I installed the cameras about 18
mths ago and have needed to do something about it perhaps twice per camera
- I use one of those dusters on long rod or, the last time as I had it to
hand, one of those hand held vacuum cleaners.

[Andy Burns]

Brian wrote:

> Nikos Zafeiris wrote:
>
>> This is my DIY solution to the problem
>

> Do you find the spiders make webs that often?

Have your cameras got infrared illuminators?
Nikos's one seem to ...

[Nikos Zafeiris]

It's a weekend house next to fields. The IP camera has IR lights around the lens, so spiders make their webs from the camera's top shield to the bottom, infront of the lens and the IR lights. When the IR is on the spiderweb is noticeable and with the lightest wind it moves like crazy, triggering the recording.
I don't like to use pesticides, which in the case of spiders don't actually do anything outdoors, so I had to clean the camera every two days.

[williamwright]

I squirt water from the garden hose. This cleans the camera housing as well.

Bill

[Andrew]

On 21/01/2022 13:07, Nikos Zafeiris wrote:
> It's a weekend house next to fields. The IP camera has IR lights around the lens, so spiders make their webs from the camera's top shield to the bottom, infront of the lens and the IR lights. When the IR is on the spiderweb is noticeable and with the lightest wind it moves like crazy, triggering the recording.
> I don't like to use pesticides, which in the case of spiders don't actually do anything outdoors, so I had to clean the camera every two days.
>

Put out a bird feeder and attract blue tits. They will regularly check
the outside of the property over looking for spiders eggs and other
nice tasty morsels, and take selfies at the same time.

[Rod Speed]

Nikos Zafeiris <ni...@zafeiris.com> wrote
> Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

>> Care to explain in words, much intrigued,I assume it does not involve
>> nuking spiders.

>> "Nikos Zafeiris" <ni...@zafeiris.com> wrote

>>> This is my DIY solution to the problem

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU.Ever since I installed it,

>>> no more accidental recordings!

> You don't need to kill the poor spiders. You would have to kill all
> spiders in a radius of 4 km in order to deter them from making a new
> spider web on your camera for a year.

I dont find that with mine. I do kill the spiders that get into my
car's external mirrors with fly spray and that works fine for
about a year or so. Me car lives outside under massive trees.

> My invention does what we do to get rid of the webtwice a night. No harm

> done to any living creature.

Wonder if spiders are smart enough to decide that there
isnt any point in doing a web there since it gets destroyed
so quickly. If it was mine I would have the system record
the spider activity to see how they behave too.

[Rod Speed]

Brian <no...@lid.org> wrote

> Nikos Zafeiris <ni...@zafeiris.com> wrote

>> This is my DIY solution to the problem

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYnj2uoXkU.Ever since I installed it,

>> no more accidental recordings!

> Do you find the spiders make webs that often?

Yeah, I did wonder why the industry appears to do nothing about that
problem.

> We have several cameras, only two seem to attract spiders- oddly they

> are probably the most two exposed ones.

Not sure that it is odd myself, presumably thats where there
are more insects flying around and the spiders realise that.

> I installed the cameras about 18 mths ago and have neededto do something

> about it perhaps twice per camera

> - I use one of those dusters on long rod or, the last time asI had it to

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[Rod Speed]

Nikos Zafeiris <ni...@zafeiris.com> wrote

> It's a weekend house next to fields. The IP camera has IR lightsaround

> the lens, so spiders make their webs from the camera'stop shield to the
> bottom, infront of the lens and the IR lights.When the IR is on the
> spiderweb is noticeable and with thelightest wind it moves like crazy,
> triggering the recording.

> I don't like to use pesticides, which in the caseof spiders don't
> actually do anything outdoors,

It works fine outside. I use it on bees
and wasps too, works fine on them too.

> so I had to clean the camera every two days.

Likely unusual spiders given that you dont see
that with commercial CCTV systems, tho maybe
they arent mostly triggered systems and are full
time recorders instead.

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[Brian]

Ours have IR but we aren’t that rural. We do have ordinary outside lights,
which come on automatically at dusk. They do attract the spiders. Perhaps
the just get a better catch there.