Stop Cock key supplied or not by water board?
john brooks
needed to turn the water off and went outside to the 'stop-cock' in the
driveway.
They told me that when thames water put in the new stop cock a few years
ago, they should have supplied to me the key to turn the valve on and off.
I rang thames water and they said i should have been given a stop cock key.
When i then applied for one, i was told that thames water do not, and have
not supplied stop cock keys.
So thames water are saying two different things. Does anyone know if they
have ever supplied a key when fitting a new stop cock out side? Thanks for
any advice.
ARWadsworth
I have never heard of a water co. supplying stop cock keys.
However I would have alarm bells ringing if the guys that are working on
your CH do not have one in their van. It is a basic item every plumber
should have.
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Rick Hughes
"john brooks" <plan...@mail.invalid> wrote in message
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My water company don't ... it's just a blue turn lever ..... don't need a
key anyhow
Nightjar
anything to do with plumbing ought to have one as a standard part of
their kit.
Colin Bignell
Roger Mills
I've never heard of a water company supplying a key. I bought my own
when I got fed up with lying on the ground with my whole arm down the hole.
Anyway, I can't think of any possible reason why anyone working on the
central heating would need to turn the water off *outside*. Are you sure
they know what they are doing?
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Andrew Gabriel
Was going to say the same... No new stop cock I've seen in last ~20
years has needed a key.
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Graham.
"Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:in2je8$82t$1...@dont-email.me...
I don't quite understand Andrew. Mine is about 60cm deep, I can just about reach it
but it's very difficult to turn with my arm extended like that.
I've just bought a key, eBay item# 380324860398 for 6 quid it's not worth struggling
next time I need to turn it off.
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Alan
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>Was going to say the same... No new stop cock I've seen in last ~20
>years has needed a key.
>
I've has a new meter and stopcock fitted by the local water board in the
last year and I need a key - its two foot below ground level and only
has a raised bar (which fits between the standard stop key) to operate
it.
The water board did NOT supply a key
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Tim Watts
Mine is 10 years old and needs a square-socket type key - that's on a meter-
ready head.
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Frank Erskine
I was given (unofficially) a key like that by a Water Company guy many
years ago.
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Andy Wade
> Anyway, I can't think of any possible reason why anyone working on the
> central heating would need to turn the water off *outside*. Are you sure
> they know what they are doing?
Because the internal stop cock is letting by, or is leaking, perhaps.
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Andy
John Stumbles
> So thames water are saying two different things. Does anyone know if
> they have ever supplied a key when fitting a new stop cock out side?
> Thanks for any advice.
Crossed lines. Newer stop valves (with or without meters) have a special
plastic key about 150mm long with a T-handle end to operate the valve,
which has a plastic hex head. You can turn it (just about) with and
adjustable spanner, or with a socket set, but I think it's their job to
supply the plastic key. For old-fashioned stopcocks with a plain bar
handle (like an outside tap) you supply your own stopcock key - a metal
pole with a T-handle one end and a U-shaped metal bit the other. You need
to explain that to TW. But first you need to find someone ther who knows
how many beans makes five. Good luck with that :-/
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Rick Hughes
"Graham." <m...@privicy.com> wrote in message
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mine is a little deeper than that ... I just use a spanner than slots over
the plastic lever - turns simply ........ and as I only turned it off once
since it was installed ... no need to spend £6
Not like it's a regular thing .... that is why there is a stop cock on
premise as well.
Roger Mills
Even so, the CH system shouldn't be connected *directly* to the mains.
If it's vented, simply tie up the ball valve and if unvented, make sure
that the filling loop's disconnected.
I suppose if it's a combi . . .
Man at B&Q
> On 31/03/2011 23:58, Andy Wade wrote:
>
> > On 31/03/2011 20:05, Roger Mills wrote:
>
> >> Anyway, I can't think of any possible reason why anyone working on the
> >> central heating would need to turn the water off *outside*. Are you sure
> >> they know what they are doing?
>
> > Because the internal stop cock is letting by, or is leaking, perhaps.
>
> Even so, the CH system shouldn't be connected *directly* to the mains.
> If it's vented,
What if they are removing or replacing the header tank?
> simply tie up the ball valve and if unvented, make sure
> that the filling loop's disconnected.
What if they are working on that?
MBQ
The Other Mike
<john.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
It could change in different areas but my water company doesn't fit
anything resembling that type. The new one I've got just a couple of
weeks ago has a directly connected plastic hex head maybe 2 inches
across and the entire valve assembly is only a foot or so below the
surface, there are two pipes rising from the bottom of the pit to the
stop cock which also has a blanking plug enabling a water meter to be
fitted. Above it all there is a 1 inch thick circle of tightly fitting
foam with a printed warning to always replace it so as to provide
frost protection.
The previous stop cock, before it seized and the ground partially
collapsed into the access hole was more than 3 feet down and with an
off the shelf key was damn near impossible to reach - we used one key
to turn the handle of another.
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Alan
<rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote
>It could change in different areas but my water company doesn't fit
>anything resembling that type. The new one I've got just a couple of
>weeks ago has a directly connected plastic hex head maybe 2 inches
>across and the entire valve assembly is only a foot or so below the
>surface,
Meter on right, stopcock on left
http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/stopcock/
Alan
<ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
>Meter on right, stopcock on left
Meter on left :(
ARWadsworth
All the new street stop taps I have seen can be operated with wanking
spanners.
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and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> In article <4NCdnXONTLOnIwnQ...@bt.com>,
> "Rick Hughes" <rick_hughes@remove_me.btconnect.com> writes:
> >
> > "john brooks" <plan...@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:in2cd2$t2m$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > So thames water are saying two different things. Does anyone know if
> > > they have ever supplied a key when fitting a new stop cock out side?
> > > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> >
> > My water company don't ... it's just a blue turn lever ..... don't need a
> > key anyhow
>
> Was going to say the same... No new stop cock I've seen in last ~20 years
> has needed a key.
>
Mine just has a non standard size, 3/8" square. I can't find anything to fit
except my socket set extension rods used backwards.
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Robin
> spanners.
Not here (in London). I need a square socket to close the one fitted
last year by Thames Water.
Or do you take the view that is just a sign of my namby-mamby Southern
limp wrists? ;-))
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ARWadsworth
>> All the new street stop taps I have seen can be operated with wanking
>> spanners.
>
>
> Not here (in London). I need a square socket to close the one fitted
> last year by Thames Water.
Photos?
> Or do you take the view that is just a sign of my namby-mamby Southern
> limp wrists? ;-))
Not at all.
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Adam
Robin
>
http://s854.photobucket.com/albums/ab101/rbw0/
1. apologies for the poor quality: CCD in camera died when I pointed it
down this morning
2. apologies also for claiming yesterday it required a square socket.
It is hex.
Alan
wrote
>> Photos?
>>
>http://s854.photobucket.com/albums/ab101/rbw0/
>
>1. apologies for the poor quality: CCD in camera died when I pointed it
>down this morning
>2. apologies also for claiming yesterday it required a square socket.
>It is hex.
>
The lazy b***** who fitted the stop cock didn't bother to fit the tap
top which can be operated with a standard stop cock key :)
ARWadsworth
> In message <f0Blp.7601$5t2....@newsfe06.ams2>, Robin <s...@sig.sep>
> wrote
>>> Photos?
>>>
>> http://s854.photobucket.com/albums/ab101/rbw0/
>>
>> 1. apologies for the poor quality: CCD in camera died when I
>> pointed it down this morning
>> 2. apologies also for claiming yesterday it required a square socket.
>> It is hex.
>>
>
>
> The lazy b***** who fitted the stop cock didn't bother to fit the tap
> top which can be operated with a standard stop cock key :)
So should it look like this?
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/100_0421.jpg
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ARWadsworth
>> Photos?
>>
> http://s854.photobucket.com/albums/ab101/rbw0/
>
> 1. apologies for the poor quality: CCD in camera died when I pointed
> it down this morning
> 2. apologies also for claiming yesterday it required a square socket.
> It is hex.
This one has a key:-)
Robin
>
> http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdf/businessCustomers/devAndHousebuilders/PNM0951_Wallbox_AndNotes.pdf
Thanks for that. I note it is silent on who provides the key though;
and while I don't doubt John Stumbles I can't face the thought of trying
to extract one from Thames Water.
Nightjar
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:07:03 +0100, john brooks wrote:
>
>> So thames water are saying two different things. Does anyone know if
>> they have ever supplied a key when fitting a new stop cock out side?
>> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Crossed lines. Newer stop valves (with or without meters) have a special
> plastic key about 150mm long with a T-handle end to operate the valve,
> which has a plastic hex head.
I assume this varies with the water authority as, when my water meter
was fitted, they used a conventional stopcock.
Colin Bignell
Robin
>> The lazy b***** who fitted the stop cock didn't bother to fit the tap
>> top which can be operated with a standard stop cock key :)
possibly
> So should it look like this?
>
> http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/100_0421.jpg
I'm not sure there'd be room for one of those alongside the meter
<guess_mode> which is possibly why they went over to the big yellow hex
key </guess_mode>.
Nightjar
> On Apr 1, 1:15 pm, Roger Mills<watt.ty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 31/03/2011 23:58, Andy Wade wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/03/2011 20:05, Roger Mills wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyway, I can't think of any possible reason why anyone working on the
>>>> central heating would need to turn the water off *outside*. Are you sure
>>>> they know what they are doing?
>>
>>> Because the internal stop cock is letting by, or is leaking, perhaps.
>>
>> Even so, the CH system shouldn't be connected *directly* to the mains.
>> If it's vented,
>
> What if they are removing or replacing the header tank?
There should be a service valve fitted to the inlet pipe of all water
storage cisterns, header tanks, etc., although not all actually have them.
Colin BIgnell