ceiling rose position

[stuart noble]

Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical 30s
semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the centre
of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical reason? Her
indoors seems to think it was to throw light on the dressing table,
which would make sense in an all female household I suppose.

[Andrew May]

I have always thought that it was so that if you were in the room at
night any shadows would not be cast on the curtains to be visible from
outside.

[Mathew Newton]

On Mar 8, 3:22 pm, Andrew May <andrew_d_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have always thought that it was so that if you were in the room at
> night any shadows would not be cast on the curtains to be visible from
> outside.

I thought it might be more to imitate the natural light received
during the day.

Mathew

[Nightjar]

On 08/03/2012 15:15, stuart noble wrote:

I have always understood it was so that the light came from much the
same direction by night as by day. That would make positioning work
areas, something like a sewing chair for example, although it could also
be a dressing table, simpler. The lamp might only be 15W or 25W, so
direction was probably more obvious, particularly if, to judge by the
layers of paint I have taken off various houses, dark brown was a
favourite interior colour.

Colin Bignell

[Hepcat]

On 08/03/2012 15:15, stuart noble wrote:

> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical 30s
> semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the centre
> of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical reason?

Reduce silhouettes on the curtain

[Chris Bartram]

That's what I was told at the Birmingham Back-to-Backs: it's to avoid
casting a silhouette on the curtains.

[stuart noble]

Thanks guys. Whatever the reasons, they no longer seem valid in this day
and age.

[Rod Speed]

Dunno, my gut reaction is that its more likely to be because when
done that way, its closer to the daytime situation where the light
comes from the windows.

Dunno why its so unusual tho, cant say I have ever seen rooms done that way.

[Rod Speed]

Andrew May wrote

Dunno, I dont ever recall seeing any shadows on curtains with the more common central lights.

And thats from the days when there was normally just one light in bedrooms.

[Rod Speed]

Mathew Newton wrote

Yeah, I bet thats the reason myself.

[Rod Speed]

Hepcat wrote

I'm not convinced you get much sillouette on the curtain with a light on the ceiling.

And why would you care anyway ?

[Rod Speed]

Chris Bartram wrote
> Andrew May wrote

Sounds like an urban myth to me. You dont get much in the way
of a silhouette with a ceiling light and why would you give a damn
about a shadow on the curtain anyway ? Its not as if you'd get a
silhouette on the curtain if you are say fucking with the lights on etc
unless you actually have her up against the curtain standing up etc
and you'd still get a silhouette of that with the offset light anyway.

[ARWadsworth]

Bottom right of this one

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view&current=img157.jpg

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[harry]

On Mar 8, 6:11 pm, "ARWadsworth" <adamwadswo...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view¤...
>
> --
> Adam

Heh Heh. Where did you get that book? Must be a treasure by now.

[harry]

It was very common in days of yore. Probably for the reasons listed
above.
The wiring wants looking at, probaby original to the house.
It must be dodgy by now.

[ARWadsworth]

I doubt it is the orininal wiring:-)

The electricians probably rewired to the same spot to save damaging the
ceiling. I always ask the customer what they want to do when rewiring such
houses.

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[The Medway Handyman]

I always thought it was to simulate the direction of sun light.

How about; why do doors open into rooms instead of against the wall?
IYSWIM.

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[ARWadsworth]

It was left it in a will.

>Must be a treasure by now.

Well I love it.

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[ARWadsworth]

I know of two possible answers.


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[brass monkey]

"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ja76r.3564$ya....@newsfe03.ams2...

That's easy, it's to give the occupants time to hide the maltesers instead
of being caught in the headlights ;)
I was taught that doors open in the best direction to 'protect' the room.

[jgharston]

ARWadsworth wrote:
> Bottom right of this one

> http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view¤...

Building & Construction Standards, 1952? I've got that!
Along with my *6*th edition IEE regs ;)

JGH

[Weatherlawyer]

On Mar 8, 6:11 pm, "ARWadsworth" <adamwadswo...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view¤...

How many visitors to that page got a pop up telling them they were the
100,000th visitor to that page?

That picture must have been online as soon as the book was printed.

[John Rumm]

That was to give the person undressing time to shout!


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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <jjaso1$hmb$1...@dont-email.me>,

Do you have to sign up in order to see the image in-focus?

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[Brian Gaff]

You don't want any shadows on curtains of naked ladies do you, I mean that
would be encouraging impure thoughts.. grin.
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

If that were the reason then why not in the living rooms as well?

Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

What you fail to understand here is that before these houses, ceilings were
high and then you would not get a shadow, but in the more modern houses,
with lower ceilings and thus lower lights, you could get shadows of ladies
undressing.

Brian

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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Rod Speed]

Brian Gaff wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> Chris Bartram wrote
>>> Andrew May wrote
>>>> stuart noble wrote

>>>>> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical
>>>>> 30s semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in
>>>>> the centre of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical
>>>>> reason? Her indoors seems to think it was to throw light on the
>>>>> dressing table, which would make sense in an all female household
>>>>> I suppose.

>>>> I have always thought that it was so that if you were in the room at night any shadows would not be cast on the
>>>> curtains to be visible from outside.

>>> That's what I was told at the Birmingham Back-to-Backs: it's to avoid casting a silhouette on the curtains.

>> Sounds like an urban myth to me. You dont get much in the way
>> of a silhouette with a ceiling light and why would you give a damn
>> about a shadow on the curtain anyway ? Its not as if you'd get a
>> silhouette on the curtain if you are say fucking with the lights on
>> etc unless you actually have her up against the curtain standing up
>> etc and you'd still get a silhouette of that with the offset light anyway.

> What you fail to understand here is that before these houses,
> ceilings were high and then you would not get a shadow, but in the more modern houses, with lower ceilings and thus
> lower lights, you could get shadows of ladies undressing.

I'm not convinced.

Didnt people have much heavier lined curtains in those days ?

Those would stop any shadows being visible from outside.

[harry]

On Mar 9, 5:02 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian Gaff wrote
>
>
>
>
>

> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

> Those would stop any shadows being visible from outside.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They had net curtains too.

[John Rumm]

Just click on it...

[Rod Speed]

harry wrote

> They had net curtains too.

Not used at night in bedrooms.

If they did, some pervert outside would be able to see some woman
undressing even if the single light in the room was close to the window.

[stuart noble]

Brilliant! Thanks for that.
You do realise this means my other half was right all along? Not
something we wish to encourage.

[stuart noble]

On 08/03/2012 22:33, John Rumm wrote:
> On 08/03/2012 18:48, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> On 08/03/2012 17:16, stuart noble wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2012 16:14, Hepcat wrote:
>>>> On 08/03/2012 15:15, stuart noble wrote:
>>>>> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical 30s
>>>>> semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the centre
>>>>> of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical reason?
>>>>
>>>> Reduce silhouettes on the curtain
>>>
>>> Thanks guys. Whatever the reasons, they no longer seem valid in this day
>>> and age.
>>>
>>
>> I always thought it was to simulate the direction of sun light.
>>
>> How about; why do doors open into rooms instead of against the wall?
>> IYSWIM.
>
> That was to give the person undressing time to shout!
>
>

I always thought that was to stop the doorknob banging against the wall,
but this is more convincing.

[stuart noble]

Yep. All pvc wiring, but still with fuses. There's a sparks on the case
so that's one aspect I'm not going to think about.
I might have to do something about the loft insulation though. How can
people spend over a grand on a Smeg cooker, have a power shower fitted,
and yet be happy with barely an inch of fibreglass over just half the
loft? 16 x B&Q triple packs delivered for £68 sounds like it will be
money well spent

[Andrew May]

Does it not also serve to help prevent heat loss from a heated bedroom
to an unheated landing?

[RobertL]

On Mar 8, 3:15 pm, stuart noble <stuart_no...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical 30s
> semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the centre

> of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical reason? Her
> indoors seems to think it was to throw light on the dressing table,
> which would make sense in an all female household I suppose.

It is the same in Victorian houses, so I guess it follows where the
gas lamps were put before electric ligh came along. I had always
thought the reason was so the light came from the window direction so
that chairs would not need moving after dark.

Robert

[sm_jamieson]

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:15:45 PM UTC, stuart noble wrote:
> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical 30s
> semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the centre
> of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical reason? Her
> indoors seems to think it was to throw light on the dressing table,
> which would make sense in an all female household I suppose.

I thought that was the case too. The house we bought was my wifes grandparents, and I rewmember being there when the dressing table was in front of the window with the pendant hanging over, so it seemed obvious.
Simon.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <zYmdnSfcFeiwXsTS...@brightview.co.uk>,

John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
> On 08/03/2012 23:37, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> In article<jjaso1$hmb$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "ARWadsworth"<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>> stuart noble wrote:
>>>> On 08/03/2012 16:14, Hepcat wrote:
>>>>> On 08/03/2012 15:15, stuart noble wrote:
>>>>>> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this typical
>>>>>> 30s semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in
>>>>>> the centre of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical
>>>>>> reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> Reduce silhouettes on the curtain
>>>>
>>>> Thanks guys. Whatever the reasons, they no longer seem valid in this
>>>> day and age.
>>>
>>> Bottom right of this one
>>>
>>> http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view&current=img157.jpg
>>
>> Do you have to sign up in order to see the image in-focus?
>
> Just click on it...

Doesn't work for me. Tried it on different browsers and from
different places. I think it doesn't work because it redirects
to a version for displaying on mobile phones with only low
resolution (and I'm not doing it on a mobile phone anyway).
All the graphics on the page display only in very low resolution,
not just the picture.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <jjd8ik$lpe$1...@dont-email.me>,

Found a way - click on "full website", then search for adam's
stuff, then search for the picture.

[djc]

Are you using a mobile broadband connection? T-mobile in particular use
a very heavy compression on images.


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[ARWadsworth]

Just don't tell her:-)

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/adamko2020/?action=view&current=img158.jpg

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[ARWadsworth]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> > Doesn't work for me. Tried it on different browsers and from
> > different places. I think it doesn't work because it redirects
> > to a version for displaying on mobile phones with only low
> > resolution (and I'm not doing it on a mobile phone anyway).
> > All the graphics on the page display only in very low resolution,
> > not just the picture.
>
> Found a way - click on "full website", then search for adam's
> stuff, then search for the picture.

My apologies. I use that site because it is free.

Name a better site to host the photos and I may change where I post them to.

Of course when I click on the link I am automatically logged in and so do
not see what you see:-)


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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <jjdgt8$mqo$1...@news.albasani.net>,

No, was using my line-based broadband.
Then I tried via VPN into the office network.
Tried firefox on Solaris, Firefox on Windows, IE on Windows.
All the same result.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:59:45 -0000, brass monkey wrote:

>>>>> Just wondering why all the bedroom ceiling roses in this
typical 30s
>>>>> semi I'm working on are set near the windows rather than in the

>>>>> centre of the rooms. Was it a fashion or is there a practical
>>>>> reason?

Donno but the orginal light fitting in my parents 30's semi where ina
similar position.

>>>> Reduce silhouettes on the curtain
>>>
>>> Thanks guys. Whatever the reasons, they no longer seem valid in
this
>>> day and age.

Ah but peoples perceptions have changed so have window coverings but
quite a few don't seem to realise how things change when the light
levels inside/outside alter at night. Thin curtains may as well not
be there at night...

>> How about; why do doors open into rooms instead of against the
wall?
>> IYSWIM.
>
> That's easy, it's to give the occupants time to hide the maltesers
> instead of being caught in the headlights ;)
> I was taught that doors open in the best direction to 'protect' the
> room.

Having just had half a dozen doors hung the only one that "protects"
the room is the bathroom one, all the others open against the wall so
as not to waste space or get in the way when open.

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[The Medway Handyman]

What did they charge for hanging them? IYDMMA?

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[Dave Liquorice]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:31:10 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

>> Having just had half a dozen doors hung the only one that
"protects"
>> the room is the bathroom one, all the others open against the wall
so
>> as not to waste space or get in the way when open.
>
> What did they charge for hanging them? IYDMMA?

The five figure joiners bill doesn't go into that much detail.

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[george [dicegeorge]]

>
> My apologies. I use that site because it is free.
>
> Name a better site to host the photos and I may change where I post them to.
>

if you upload a photo as a file (not a photo) to a yahoo group
then it isnt resized.

http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

[g]

[ARWadsworth]

Thanks mate.

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