Replacing PCV Gutter rubber seals

[Steven Langdale]

All

My 15 (ish) year old guttering is leaking at the joints.

Based on some Googling about, it appears to be Osma squareline but I think they've changed the design. the rubber seals on mine are 10mm width and the new stuff seems to be substantially wider (with a corresponding wider recess to fit it in.

Does anyone know if the old seals are still available or would it be a simpler task to just replace the joints?

Thanks

Steven

[Rick Hughes]

I just replaced some of the seals on my Hepworth squareline guttering
... they are around 10mm ... try them.

If you want me to take actual measurements o fone let me know.



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[Steven Langdale]

Perfect! thats the stuff :) Much appreciated.

[Steven Clucas]

replying to Rick Hughes, Steven Clucas wrote:
Hi, I just found this old thread when searching for replacement Hepworth
gutter seals, and am having similar problems locating replacement seals. My
seals are a sort of "figure of 8" shape in profile, and measure about 8mm wide
by 5mm deep.

Please could you let me know where you managed to buy these replacement seals,
so I can check if they're the same as the ones I need? (I couldn't see any
links to websites in the above posts).

Thanks,
Steve

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[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, 1 August 2016 23:14:03 UTC+1, Steven Clucas wrote:
> replying to Rick Hughes, Steven Clucas wrote:
> Hi, I just found this old thread when searching for replacement Hepworth
> gutter seals, and am having similar problems locating replacement seals. My
> seals are a sort of "figure of 8" shape in profile, and measure about 8mm wide
> by 5mm deep.
>
> Please could you let me know where you managed to buy these replacement seals,
> so I can check if they're the same as the ones I need? (I couldn't see any
> links to websites in the above posts).
>
> Thanks,
> Steve

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub

[GB]

On 01-Aug-16 11:14 PM, Steven Clucas wrote:
> replying to Rick Hughes, Steven Clucas wrote:
> Hi, I just found this old thread when searching for replacement Hepworth
> gutter seals, and am having similar problems locating replacement
> seals. My
> seals are a sort of "figure of 8" shape in profile, and measure about
> 8mm wide
> by 5mm deep.
>
> Please could you let me know where you managed to buy these replacement
> seals,
> so I can check if they're the same as the ones I need? (I couldn't see any
> links to websites in the above posts).
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>

Steve, I've just had some gutter seals repaired. I didn't do it myself,
as I have no head for heights. The guy who did it used some mastic. It
seems to be holding.

I don't think Rick Hughes will be replying.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <nnq7m5$kq2$1...@dont-email.me>,

GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Steve, I've just had some gutter seals repaired. I didn't do it myself,
> as I have no head for heights. The guy who did it used some mastic. It
> seems to be holding.

> I don't think Rick Hughes will be replying.

The problem with replacing the rubber seals (if you could get them) is the
PVC goes very brittle with age and would likely split when attempting to
clip it together with new ones. So a mastic is probably the best bet.

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[Andy Burns]

Dave Plowman wrote:

> The problem with replacing the rubber seals (if you could get them) is the
> PVC goes very brittle with age and would likely split when attempting to
> clip it together with new ones. So a mastic is probably the best bet.

It's one of the myriad recommended uses for CT1, it'll stick when wet,
had good strength and remains elastic.

<http://www.ct1ltd.com>

[Steven Clucas]

replying to Andy Burns, Steven Clucas wrote:
Many thanks for the replies, I'll definately consider the Mastic / CT1 option.
And apologies for annoying anybody by replying to an old thread, on an
"incorrect" forum!

[GB]

On 02-Aug-16 11:44 PM, Steven Clucas wrote:

> And apologies for annoying anybody by replying to an old thread, on an
> "incorrect" forum!
>

It seems to have worked, so I wouldn't worry too much. :)

[newshound]

Never used that, but have bodged gutters and downpipes with "ordinary"
exterior mastic in the past, it doesn't last particularly well (but fine
if you just need a quick fix).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <O7SdnQLv2M8-fTzK...@brightview.co.uk>,

I found an excellent silicone rubber non setting one in Wicks. Said to
stick to near anything. Seems to last pretty well too.

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[Rick Hughes]

Just seen this, I bought seals from Wavin Plastics … they acquired Hepworth.
The replacements were thicker, and softer, expanded foam…. End on it’s like 2 hollow squares joined as you say in figure of 8.
Did you manage to get seals ?

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[Brian Gaff]

How old was this original post, I wonder, well expired.
Brian

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> Just seen this, I bought seals from Wavin Plastics . they acquired
> Hepworth.
> The replacements were thicker, and softer, expanded foam.. End on it's

[rick]

On 01/09/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
> How old was this original post, I wonder, well expired.
> Brian
>

It was, but as my name was specifically mentioned, provided the update -
may help others.

[rick]

Appreciate it was an old post but someone specifically mentioned my name - so hence the follow up.

[rick]

I disagree, the seals are designed to allow guttering to slide over them as they expand and contract in the sun ... fixing with mastic will prevent that ... likely force a leak elsewhere.

[Fredxx]

It would have helped if you provided context:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub

[Jeff Layman]

It was in reply to an article dared 1 August 2016.

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On 01/09/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:

[rick]

Old post I know - but still comes up in the search for Hepworth seals., for benefit of others ..

Update ... had a response from WAVIN (they bought Hepworth)
They no longer stock seals for Hepworth.
They suggested that the OSMA StormLine Gutter Seal 8T864.
It is similar being 6mm thick,, and if split down middle lengthwise .... one would make a pair for Hepworth fittings.

[rick]

On 02/09/2022 17:03, Jeff Layman wrote:
> It was in reply to an article dared 1 August 2016.
>

Yes ... I was one of the responders in 2016

[rick]

I just used reply on that website ... not here, so it did have full
context on the website. (apologies if those reading here doe not see it)


As many thousands of people will have Hepworth plastics guttering ...
the solution may be of use for others.

[Fredxx]

On 03/09/2022 23:38, rick wrote:
> On 02/09/2022 10:14, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 01/09/2022 10:55, rick wrote:
>>> On 01/09/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> How old was this original post, I wonder, well expired.
>>>>   Brian
>>>>
>>> It was, but as my name was specifically mentioned, provided the
>>> update - may help others.
>>
>> It would have helped if you provided context:
>>    http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub
>>
>>
> I just used reply on that website ... not here, so it did have full
> context on the website.  (apologies if those reading here doe not see it)

Very few people post here from that website, many here block posts from
Homeowners website as it has a habit of inciting replies to posts that
are decades old.

> As many thousands of people will have Hepworth plastics guttering ...
> the solution may be of use for others.

I think you're missing the point. I don't have a clue what you're trying
to say, "thicker, and softer" than what precisely? Chewing gum? There is
no context apart from "I bought seals from Wavin Plastics … they
acquired Hepworth".

You do realise that Wavin took over Hepworth some 17 years ago?

[alan_m]

On 03/09/2022 23:38, rick wrote:

I'll bet that 99.999% of people don't know the manufacturer of their
guttering and when replacing parts know how to find that out.

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[rick]

The context is above (scroll up) ..... this reply is posted on https://www.homeownershub.com/
I didn't post reply on usenet

[rick]

I am posting on the website not =on Usenet
The original seals were solid rubber and similar to seals on uPVC windows & doors.
The 'new' seals are thicker but made of softer material - being a hollow foam rubber.
I don't have any technical data so can't give figures.. Wavin technical describe them as thicker but more compliant than original seals (if that helps)
Yes I am aware Hepworth were acquired by Wavin platics .... however many people have Hepworth guttering, the purpose of the update was to assist those who have the guttering ... which is clearly identified as it has Heplworth name & embossed on every fitting.
Just because something is no longer made does not mean people do not want to repair it ...
Please ignore post if it is of no interest to you.
https://www.homeownershub.com/ has this thread as active, if it does not want posts then admin could close off the thread.

[Fredxx]

On 05/09/2022 18:01, rick wrote:
> I am posting on the website not =on Usenet

No, clearly you're not very bright. You are posting on Usenet through a
broken website.

> The original seals were solid rubber and similar to seals on uPVC
> windows & doors.
> The 'new' seals are thicker but made of softer material - being a hollow
> foam rubber.
> I don't have any technical data so can't give figures..   Wavin
> technical describe them as thicker but more compliant than original
> seals (if that helps)
> Yes I am aware Hepworth were acquired by Wavin platics ....  however
> many people have Hepworth guttering, the purpose of the update was to
> assist those who have the guttering ... which is clearly identified as
> it has Heplworth name & embossed on every fitting.
> Just because something is no longer made does not mean people do not
> want to repair it ...
> Please ignore post if it is of no interest to you.

You have (had) the chance of providing context by quoting the Usenet
post you were initially replying to.

> https://www.homeownershub.com/     has this thread as active, if it does
> not want posts then admin could close off the thread.

There is no admin in Usenet. Grow up. Usenet is a series of server that
propagate messages. For christ's sake read this properly:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub

[alan_m]

On 05/09/2022 18:01, rick wrote:

> The context is above (scroll up) ..... this reply is posted on
> https://www.homeownershub.com/
> I didn't post reply on usenet
>

That's where it ended up. Very little on the web site you are using
originated there.

[A K]

Found this thread while looking for replacement seals for my Hepworth gutter. I found that the Floplast Square Line gutter seals when cut down the middle (with scissors) are a good fit and seal perfectly. https://www.amazon.co.uk/FLOPLAST-114mm-square-gutter-seal/dp/B073S9P8LM

[Sargan]

On 01/08/2016 23:14, Steven Clucas wrote:
> replying to Rick Hughes, Steven Clucas wrote:
> Hi, I just found this old thread when searching for replacement Hepworth
> gutter seals, and am having similar problems locating replacement
> seals.  My
> seals are a sort of "figure of 8" shape in profile, and measure about
> 8mm wide
> by 5mm deep.
>
> Please could you let me know where you managed to buy these replacement
> seals,
> so I can check if they're the same as the ones I need?  (I couldn't see any
> links to websites in the above posts).
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>

I found Hepworth seal no longer exist
The Hepworth Square gutter system was discontinued about 10 years ago
and there are no spares left.

I used WAVIN plastics StormLine Gutter Seal 8T864 its around 14.5mm wide
flat back and 6mm thick.

I split it down the centre and so far these work fine

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Not 2016


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[rick]

The Hepworth Square gutter system was discontinued about 10 years ago and there are no spaes left.

I used WAVINT StormLine Gutter Seal 8T864 is similar with a flat back and 6mm thick.
It is wider and longer so it can be cut to suit

It is 14.5mm wide so could be cut in half lengthways.

[Animal]

should be pretty easy to mould some high modulus silicone to that shape.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <015930fe-df76-4de0...@googlegroups.com>,
Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> writes

It's also amazing what you can do with self-amalgamating tape (where
necessary, several layers, cut to shape).
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