Keyhole (mortice) draught (rubber) excluder/stopper (for mortice lock)??
Allan
draught excluder for a mortice lock keyhole. My Mum is (rightly)
complaining of the draught whistling through the door lock. It's for
doors with a standard keyhole lock/handle arrangement where there isn't
already an escutcheon. I could adapt a standard escutcheon, but I've
been looking for anything that resembles a rubber plug (a true plug
would get in the way of the key, and isn't ideal, but she'd probably put
up with it for the sake of the warmth, but there might be a middle road).
I've stumbled across a couple of possibilities, both on ebay (although
now ended auction), but sadly the manufacturers have either disappeared
or discontinued production. See:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KEYHOLE-DRAUGHT-EXCLUDER-/120640961146
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-X-KEY-HOLE-DRAUGHT-EXCLUDERS-/290502983676
I know there are plenty of escutcheon covers, which I could adapt, but
having seen this rubber insert, I'd really like to exhaust all avenues
of finding something like it before I use an escutcheon as the rubber
stopper route is so neat (and very unintrusive). I could probably rig
one up with a bit of old bicycle inner tube as well, but just (again)
exhausting all avenues)
Does anyone know of suitable/similar products?
Thanks in advance
Allan
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harry
> I'm looking (probably along with a lot of people this week!) for a
> draught excluder for a mortice lock keyhole. My Mum is (rightly)
> complaining of the draught whistling through the door lock. It's for
> doors with a standard keyhole lock/handle arrangement where there isn't
> already an escutcheon. I could adapt a standard escutcheon, but I've
> been looking for anything that resembles a rubber plug (a true plug
> would get in the way of the key, and isn't ideal, but she'd probably put
> up with it for the sake of the warmth, but there might be a middle road).
>
> I've stumbled across a couple of possibilities, both on ebay (although
> now ended auction), but sadly the manufacturers have either disappeared
>
> I know there are plenty of escutcheon covers, which I could adapt, but
> having seen this rubber insert, I'd really like to exhaust all avenues
> of finding something like it before I use an escutcheon as the rubber
> stopper route is so neat (and very unintrusive). I could probably rig
> one up with a bit of old bicycle inner tube as well, but just (again)
> exhausting all avenues)
>
> Does anyone know of suitable/similar products?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Allan
>
> x-post uk.d-i-y free.uk.diy.home
Make something out of a fridge magnet? Assuming the handle/lock plate
is ferrous.
Ronald Raygun
> .. been looking for anything that resembles a rubber plug (a true plug
> would get in the way of the key, and isn't ideal, but she'd probably put
> up with it for the sake of the warmth, but there might be a middle road).
"For the sake of the warmth"? Don't be silly. The chilling effect of
a keyhole-sized "gale" is likely to be subliminal unless one positions
oneself directly in the jet.
But old ladies are impossible to convince on the basis of anything
rational, so I guess you do have to do *something*.
Nothing wrong with a plug (or even a bit of gaffer tape). Put it on the
inside, then you never need to remove it. One should only ever lock the
door on the mortice from the outside (when one is out and no-one is in).
Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
need to get out in a hurry. But perhaps even this is too rational and
hence unconvincing.
Mr Pounder
"Ronald Raygun" <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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A blob of Blue Tack.
Unfortunately most people use the key to lock the front door from the
inside.
Mr Pounder
>
>
Jeff Gaines
Raygun wrote:
> One should only ever lock the
>door on the mortice from the outside (when one is out and no-one is in).
>Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
>finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
>need to get out in a hurry. But perhaps even this is too rational and
>hence unconvincing.
Doesn't work if you only have a mortice lock though.
--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility
Ronald Raygun
> On 14/12/2010 in message <qDINo.33293$hW6....@newsfe08.ams2> Ronald
> Raygun wrote:
>
>> One should only ever lock the
>>door on the mortice from the outside (when one is out and no-one is in).
>>Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
>>finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
>>need to get out in a hurry. But perhaps even this is too rational and
>>hence unconvincing.
>
> Doesn't work if you only have a mortice lock though.
In that case, if you don't want to put in a yale type as well, I would
recommend putting in a good old fashioned sliding bolt.
fred
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
>I'm looking (probably along with a lot of people this week!) for a
>draught excluder for a mortice lock keyhole. My Mum is (rightly)
>complaining of the draught whistling through the door lock. It's for
>doors with a standard keyhole lock/handle arrangement where there isn't
>already an escutcheon. I could adapt a standard escutcheon, but I've
>been looking for anything that resembles a rubber plug (a true plug
>would get in the way of the key, and isn't ideal, but she'd probably put
>up with it for the sake of the warmth, but there might be a middle road).
>
the lock on the inside then this little tip may help:
All proper security mortice locks (BS3621) have an anti-picking device
(curtain) which closes the slot when the key is turned even a little. If
she has a BS lock fitted then inserting the key and turning it a bit
will reduce the draught dramatically.
If she doesn't have a BS lock then buy her one for Christmas ;-).
--
fred
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Dave Liquorice
> "For the sake of the warmth"? Don't be silly. The chilling effect of
> a keyhole-sized "gale" is likely to be subliminal unless one positions
> oneself directly in the jet.
I think you'd be surprised how much air can come whistling
(literally) through a mortice lock hole. Blocking them up here does
make a noticeable difference to the comfort of the room and in
ajoining rooms as the draft is less and not as icy.
> Nothing wrong with a plug (or even a bit of gaffer tape).
The infreqently used doors have parcel tape over the hole. The front
door has a bit of copper (snipped from an old water cylinder) pivoted
on a brass screw hanging over the hole.
I've have thought that short bit of long bristled brush type draft
excluder behind the handle plate might work quite well but have not
got the tuit to try it, yet. Tape works...
--
Cheers
Dave.
Java Jive
which is more likely? Fire, or burglary? I'd say the latter, and the
latter is a very good reason for locking the door from the inside as
well as from the out. If the door has glass or thin wood panels, it's
easy to break in by breaking the glass or panel next to the latch and
reaching in and opening it from the inside. It's a second or two's
work, literally, before thugs are inside and able to threaten you.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:47 +0000, Ronald Raygun
<no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>
> Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
> finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
> need to get out in a hurry. But perhaps even this is too rational and
> hence unconvincing.
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Allan wrote:
------------------------------------------------
So long as you don't want to be insured... most insurance company security
conditions require all locks to be locked and keys removed at night.
The danger is in removing the keys to an inaccessible place.
Chris R
Ronald Raygun
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:47 +0000, Ronald Raygun
> <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>
>> Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
>> finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
>> need to get out in a hurry. But perhaps even this is too rational and
>> hence unconvincing.
>
> Not really much more dangerous, given there's a fire anyway.
Eh? The door is your means of escape. If you can't find the key,
you're in trouble. Remember there may be dense smoke, so if you
simply drop the key on the floor you may not be able to find it again.
You may choose to leave the key in the lock, but that's not very good
either. For one thing, if one of you is in, and the other is out, the
one wanting to come in may not be able to get the key in the door.
There's always the doorbell, but if the one on the inside is having a
heart attack... For the other, if you leave the key in the lock, then
the burglar can also get in, having smashed a panel.
> But
> which is more likely? Fire, or burglary? I'd say the latter,
Agreed.
> and the
> latter is a very good reason for locking the door from the inside as
> well as from the out.
Not really. If anyone's in, a burglar is going to high-tail it out of
there pdq, in most cases. Aggravated burglary with violence is very
much rarer than ordinary stealthy burglary. Perhaps as rare as fire.
> If the door has glass or thin wood panels, it's
> easy to break in by breaking the glass or panel next to the latch and
> reaching in and opening it from the inside. It's a second or two's
> work, literally, before thugs are inside and able to threaten you.
If you make the door too secure, they'll just use a window instead.
Alan Braggins
> One should only ever lock the
>door on the mortice from the outside (when one is out and no-one is in).
>Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't want to have to be
>finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when there's a fire and you
>need to get out in a hurry.
However, if you want to lock both the back and front doors when you go
out, it's a lot more convenient to lock one from inside and walk through
the house than it is to lock both from outside. The risk that you lock one
and only then find that your path to the other door is blocked by fire is
tiny.
The Medway Handyman
>One should only ever
> lock the door on the mortice from the outside (when one is out and
> no-one is in). Locking it from the inside is dangerous - you don't
> want to have to be finding and fiddling with a key in a panic when
> there's a fire and you need to get out in a hurry.
I'm amazed at the amount of people who lock the front door from inside while
they are at home. Very often when I ring the bell it takes them several
minutes to find the keys & open the door. Those minutes could kill you in a
fire as you say.
I often mention the fire risk, but it seems to go straight over their heads.
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
Andy Dingley
> draught excluder for a mortice lock keyhole.
Swinging escutcheon cover is the traditional solution.
If that's not enough (and there's some steel nearby), glue a broken
slice of rare-earth magnet (cheap on eBay) to the lid, so that it's
held firmly down against the wind.
Mr Pounder
"The Medway Handyman" <davidno-...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Do you have a fire extinguisher at home?
Mr Pounder
>
>
>
>
>
dennis@home
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> On Dec 14, 10:47 am, Allan <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I'm looking (probably along with a lot of people this week!) for a
>> draught excluder for a mortice lock keyhole.
>
> Swinging escutcheon cover is the traditional solution.
They aren't really for draught proofing.
They are for privacy.
That is why they are supposed to be fitted on the inside of the door even
though most get fitted to the outside.
When its outside you can just push it over and look through the hole.
When its inside you can't push it out the way easily.
It probably doesn't matter these days as nobody actually worries about
people peaking through keyholes do they?
dennis@home
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> Do you have a fire extinguisher at home?
Fire extinguishers are too dangerous for the untrained home user, they
encourage people to get trapped.
ARWadsworth
So are you a fire expert this week? I'll add that to your list of made up
talents.
--
Adam
dennis@home
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Are you claiming to be an expert and disagreeing with what I said?
ARWadsworth
No, I am just claiming that you are a man with no talents.
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Adam
dennis@home
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Are you claiming to be an expert and disagreeing with what I said?
>
> No, I am just claiming that you are a man with no talents.
So you don't disagree with what I said then?
ARWadsworth
I disagree with your drama queen statement about fire extiguishers.
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Adam
dennis@home
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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So what level of expertise do you claim to have to backup your idea that
fire extinguishers are safe in the hands of untrained householders?
ARWadsworth
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:JuSNo.39641$N41...@newsfe23.ams2...
>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:p6SNo.52023$Wk6....@newsfe27.ams2...
>>>
>>>>> Are you claiming to be an expert and disagreeing with what I said?
>>>>
>>>> No, I am just claiming that you are a man with no talents.
>>>
>>> So you don't disagree with what I said then?
>>
>> I disagree with your drama queen statement about fire extiguishers.
>
> So what level of expertise do you claim to have to backup your idea
> that fire extinguishers are safe in the hands of untrained
> householders?
Your problem is that you think everyone is a retard and needs a certificate
to use any piece of equipment.
My experience of fires is
a) put a car fire out on the M1 with the dry powder extinguisher in my van,
b) put out a wheelie bin fire using a similar extinguisher out where the
wheelie bin was shoved up to a front door
c) used a hoze pipe to put a house fire out
So what is your experience than?
I have never been on a training day to get a nice signed off piece of paper
to say that I am allowed to use an extinguisher.
--
Adam
Andy Dingley
> Certainly if you're in a room and the furniture catches fires, you've
> got a minute or two *at most* before you're gonna be dead.
Firstly, my furniture won't do that.
Secondly, I can put the fire out with one of my extinguishers (at
least one on each floor) and take my time.
In a world of Dennis' stupidity, that's probably his best so far.
Andy Dingley
wrote:
> > Swinging escutcheon cover is the traditional solution.
>
> They aren't really for draught proofing.
> They are for privacy.
It can be locking the claret up from the servants for all I care, but
the OP has a draught blowing through theirs and this will stop it.
It also works perfectly well on the inside, especially with the
magnet.
dennis@home
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:JuSNo.39641$N41...@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:p6SNo.52023$Wk6....@newsfe27.ams2...
>>>>
>>>>>> Are you claiming to be an expert and disagreeing with what I said?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am just claiming that you are a man with no talents.
>>>>
>>>> So you don't disagree with what I said then?
>>>
>>> I disagree with your drama queen statement about fire extiguishers.
>>
>> So what level of expertise do you claim to have to backup your idea
>> that fire extinguishers are safe in the hands of untrained
>> householders?
>
> Your problem is that you think everyone is a retard and needs a
> certificate to use any piece of equipment.
>
> My experience of fires is
>
> a) put a car fire out on the M1 with the dry powder extinguisher in my
> van,
> b) put out a wheelie bin fire using a similar extinguisher out where the
> wheelie bin was shoved up to a front door
> c) used a hoze pipe to put a house fire out
No experience of house fires then?
So I guess you don't have any experience to say that I was wrong in quoting
what the fire service say about household extinguishers.
I don't have much experience of fires, the last one I went into was in flat
at some sheltered housing and I had to remove the occupant as she was trying
to open the windows to let the smoke out of her flat. No need for an
extinguisher, turning the power off to the microwave was enough. That was
about 10 weeks ago.
Andy Dingley
> > > Certainly if you're in a room and the furniture catches fires, you've
> > > got a minute or two *at most* before you're gonna be dead.
>
> > Firstly, my furniture won't do that.
>
> What, won't catch fire? What's it made of? I'm talking about yer
> standard furniture, e.g. a sofa with foam rubber filling or whatever it
> is.
The beds are foam rubber, but that's not a bad fire hazard.
_Polyurethane_ foam is the real risk, and I don't have any. Sofas are
traditional.
Andy Dingley
wrote:
> So I guess you don't have any experience to say that I was wrong in quoting
> what the fire service say about household extinguishers.
"Get out" isn't at all the same thing as "Fire extinguishers are bad".
dennis@home
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> In article
> <91251e88-439e-44c7...@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Andy Dingley <din...@codesmiths.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 9:33�pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Certainly if you're in a room and the furniture catches fires, you've
>> > got a minute or two *at most* before you're gonna be dead.
>>
>> Firstly, my furniture won't do that.
>
> What, won't catch fire? What's it made of? I'm talking about yer standard
> furniture, e.g. a sofa with foam rubber filling or whatever it is.
There is an odd belief that modern furniture is fire proof.
Its actually flame resistant.
Its hard to ignite it with stuff like cigarettes. (Hmm? that's another
expense thrust upon us by smokers. Non smokers get little benefit from fire
proof furniture IMO.)
It certainly burns in the right circumstances and gives out toxic smoke.
>
>> Secondly, I can put the fire out with one of my extinguishers (at
>> least one on each floor) and take my time.
>
> Perhaps, but most folks don't have them.
What he means is he can try and put it out.
If it works fine.
If it doesn't he has wasted time which could have been used to get to
safety.
That's why the fire service doesn't recommend extinguishers in homes, people
think they can tackle a blaze and get killed.
I think that if you want to protect the building from fire there are far
better ways than putting a few hand operated extinguishers in. You can fit
domestic sprinklers and fire proof as much of the contents as possible,
remove ignition sources, etc.
They do say a fire blanket can be useful to smother chip pan fires, I
personally don't have a chip pan as putting them out can be really scary and
I had to when I was about 14 using a wet towel.
I will stick with the idea of getting out fast and letting the insurance
company worry about the damage.
Mr Pounder
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They are 1st aid.
Mr Pounder
Mr Pounder
I am a fire protection expert.
Mr Pounder
>
>
>
Mr Pounder
Mr Pounder
>
>
Mr Pounder
I know many professional fire fighters. Brave courageous men.
They have absolutely no idea of portable fire extinguishers.
Mr Pounder
Andy Dingley
wrote:
> There is an odd belief that modern furniture is fire proof.
> Its actually flame resistant.
Most of mine isn't (and as someone who sells upholstered furniture
commercially, yes I know the difference). I don't smoke, if I do set
the house on fire it's far more likely to be the carpet with a spark
from the fireplace than a fag down the furniture.
The real difference between "Is this sofa going to kill you very
quickly or not" is the toxicity of the smoke it produces. It's not the
reason I don't have any PU foam furniture, but all the same I'm not
unhappy that I don't (actually I do - I found one small ex-office
chair).
> It certainly burns in the right circumstances and gives out toxic smoke.
Rubbberised horsehair and feathers are highly unpleasant, they're even
toxic in concentration, but they're nowhere like the toxicity at low
concentrations thay you have from the cyanides in PU smoke. This is
the biggie.
> What he means is he can try and put it out.
If I can't put it out, I'll get a bigger extinguisher. If that doesn't
put it out, I'll use the BCF. If the BCF doesn't put it out, my
biggest hazard is then the fumes from that, no longer the fire.
> They do say a fire blanket can be useful to smother chip pan fires,
Having used them four times (two of these within minutes, on the same
pan) I wouldn't bother again and would use an extinguisher.
> I personally don't have a chip pan
For once I'd agree with you. There's no excuse for a chip pan. If you
want chips, use a thermostatic self-contained fryer.
Or get an Actifry, and then you really can test out your fire
precautions.
> I will stick with the idea of getting out fast and letting the insurance
> company worry about the damage.
That's OK Dennis, Nanny will make it all better.
AJH
> I'm looking (probably along with a lot of people this week!) for a
> complaining of the draught whistling through the door lock. It's for
> doors with a standard keyhole lock/handle arrangement where there isn't
> already an escutcheon. I could adapt a standard escutcheon, but I've
> been looking for anything that resembles a rubber plug (a true plug
> would get in the way of the key, and isn't ideal, but she'd probably put
> up with it for the sake of the warmth, but there might be a middle road).
>
> I've stumbled across a couple of possibilities, both on ebay (although
> now ended auction), but sadly the manufacturers have either disappeared
> or discontinued production. See:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KEYHOLE-DRAUGHT-EXCLUDER-/120640961146http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-X-KEY-HOLE-DRAUGHT-EXCLUDERS-/290502983676
>
> I know there are plenty of escutcheon covers, which I could adapt, but
> having seen this rubber insert, I'd really like to exhaust all avenues
> of finding something like it before I use an escutcheon as the rubber
> stopper route is so neat (and very unintrusive). I could probably rig
> one up with a bit of old bicycle inner tube as well, but just (again)
> exhausting all avenues)
>
> Does anyone know of suitable/similar products?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Allan
>
> x-post uk.d-i-y free.uk.diy.home
Leaving aside the unhelpful squabbling, I could do with exactly what
you are looking for, I'll let you know if I find anything!
Andrew
Mr Pounder
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Blue Tack
Mr Pounder
Andy Dingley
wrote:
> I have never been on a training day to get a nice signed off piece of paper
> to say that I am allowed to use an extinguisher.
You should do, they're a right laugh. If I was organising one I used
to use the (nearby) oilrig training school, as they had a particularly
generous attitude to how big a training fire needed to be, and if you
were lucky they even let us ride the lifeboat drop (swapped that for
letting some of them loose in our cars on a race track day).
I really must do the video format conversion and YouTube our DIY
safety video entitled "Two idiots and a bucket of magnesium turnings
demonstrate why you shouldn't use a hosepipe to (try to) extinguish
it".
I am George Goble and I claim my T1 of bandwidth.
Mr Pounder
Tell me, which extinguisher did you use to extinguish a magnesium fire?
Mr Pounder
Andy Dingley
wrote:
> Tell me, which extinguisher did you use to extinguish a magnesium fire?
It's a Class D (burning metal) fire, so you can't.
The US Navy have two techniques for class D fires: the first is to use
"Purple K", a dry powder, but not the usual dry powder. This doesn't
work (we demonstrated this). Their second technique is to throw
whatever is burning (up to and including whole aircraft) into the
Pacific.
Mr Pounder
> In article <VnROo.49090$uo7....@newsfe04.ams2>,
>
> --
> Tim
>
> "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines
> imposed,
> nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
Monnex.
It is powder but would be better than ABC dry powder.
Mr Pounder
>
Mr Pounder
On Dec 17, 10:21 pm, "Mr Pounder" <MrPoun...@RationalThought.com>
wrote:
> Tell me, which extinguisher did you use to extinguish a magnesium fire?
It's a Class D (burning metal) fire, so you can't.
Yes.
Adam Wadsworth
That I want to see
Ronald Raygun
Bit of a bummer if you happen to be in the Atlantic.
Mr Pounder
"Ronald Raygun" <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>> On Dec 17, 10:21 pm, "Mr Pounder" <MrPoun...@RationalThought.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tell me, which extinguisher did you use to extinguish a magnesium fire?
>>
>> It's a Class D (burning metal) fire, so you can't.
Can't what?