B&Q tradepoint eligibility
sm_jamieson
"trade only" counter. Website says you must be a "bona fide" trader
and meet 2 of the 3 eligibility criteria to get the card. These
criteria are apparently on the form. Trouble is I mouthed off (like a
fool who had to drag heavy stuff miles to the main counters) in there
and did not get a form, does anyone know what these criteria are ?
Also, is screwfix going to go "trade-only", since this tradepoint
seems very similar and both are kingfisher ?
Just read another forum (sorry ;-) and apparently people have been
throwing things about in other stores. So I think I was quite mild
mannered !!
Simon.
sm_jamieson
Right, found PDF version of form.
Its headed "open to to trade professionals like you !"
The evidence required is 2 of:
Business Card
Business Letter head
Local newspaper advert
local directory entry (thomson, yellow pages etc)
Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
Simon.
d...@gglz.com
> The evidence required is 2 of:
> Business Card
> Business Letter head
Well nobody that shouldn't will get past stringent checks like that
then.
The Medway Handyman
Blimey - thats going to be impossible to defraud.
> Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
Dunno. Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
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Dave
> On 27 Mar, 11:15, sm_jamieson <sm_jamie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Local B&Q warehouse bulk load counter has turned into a B&Q
>> tradepoint "trade only" counter. Website says you must be a "bona
>> fide" trader and meet 2 of the 3 eligibility criteria to get the
>> card. These criteria are apparently on the form. Trouble is I
>> mouthed off (like a fool who had to drag heavy stuff miles to the
>> main counters) in there and did not get a form, does anyone know
>> what these criteria are ?
>>
>> Also, is screwfix going to go "trade-only", since this tradepoint
>> seems very similar and both are kingfisher ?
>>
>> Just read another forum (sorry ;-) and apparently people have been
>> throwing things about in other stores. So I think I was quite mild
>> mannered !!
>>
>> Simon.
>
> Right, found PDF version of form.
> Its headed "open to to trade professionals like you !"
>
> The evidence required is 2 of:
> Business Card
> Business Letter head
5 minutes with Microsoft Publisher will sort those for you :o)
ARWadsworth
A.Lee
> > Local B&Q warehouse bulk load counter has turned into a B&Q tradepoint
> > "trade only" counter.
Probably as the Trade customers know exactly what they want, and dont
want to chat about differing makes, they want to be in there, get the
things, and get out, as soon as possible.
I know that is why I no longer go to the local Screwfix branch, with my
ready written out list in hand, as it is more likely than not that
someone will be in there either returning something they did not think
they were getting ("this drill was cheap, but I didnt realise it was
110v"), or asking the staff about which light fitting they want, then
asking to see 2 or 3 different types of what they want.
This holds up staff, who are not there for viewings, as well as annoy
people behind them in the queue, who know exactly what they want, and
also have an alternative ready, in case the first isnt in stock.
So less staff to show/advise customers, less cash takings/more credit
accounts - both cut costs by less staff wages, and less to pay security
companies to take the cash away. Some of these savings will be passed on
to the customer by a slight reduction in pricing, and obviously the
retailer will get their cut, so it is worth their while.
Alan.
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d...@gglz.com
Which can be a PITA at Screwfix, when somebody and his misses wants to
chew the cud over which one to choose ("Well what do you think
dear?"), see inside the box etc - whilst the queue gets longer and
longer behind them.
I'd be all for a "no debate" queue at screwfix - if your slip isn't
exactly right they chuck it straight in the bin and slap you about the
head with an angle grinder (Quote No: 63218) .
Vernon
>
> Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
>
> Simon.
I presume it is to compete with the main builders merchants, they offer
reasonable prices and good opening hours, I know several builders that
do use tradepoint, simply because the opening hours suit. I cannot
remember which group of builders merchants now, but at least one has
consolidated it's outlets and is looking to sell to a competitor.
With regards to Screwfix, if there are more tradepoints around the
country, then there is no need for screwfix to have trade counters,
seems to be a fairly obvious way to save money. B&Q is open all hours,
so why not use it, they are offering better pricing with tradepoint.
Would not suprise me if screwfix went back to online only.
stuart noble
I'm one of those superannuated checkout cloggers who's quite prepared to
pay B&Q £5 to deliver a 3 metre worktop thanks very much
dennis@home
"A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
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> sm_jamieson <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Local B&Q warehouse bulk load counter has turned into a B&Q tradepoint
>> > "trade only" counter.
>> Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
>
> Probably as the Trade customers know exactly what they want, and dont
> want to chat about differing makes, they want to be in there, get the
> things, and get out, as soon as possible.
Probably because trade isn't covered by the sale of goods act.
Man at B&Q
wrote:
> "A.Lee" <a...@darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1jg0hlh.xujkbvx61pz4N%alan@darkroom.+.com...
>
> > sm_jamieson <sm_jamie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Local B&Q warehouse bulk load counter has turned into a B&Q tradepoint
> >> > "trade only" counter.
> >> Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
>
> > Probably as the Trade customers know exactly what they want, and dont
> > want to chat about differing makes, they want to be in there, get the
> > things, and get out, as soon as possible.
>
> Probably because trade isn't covered by the sale of goods act.
Our local PC World always ask if you are buying for business, so that
they can stitch you up with much more limited rights if you answer
yes.
MBQ
d...@gglz.com
Hmmm - on many lines B&Q is vastly overpriced compared to Screwfix.
Thursday I needed some coach bolts. B&Q price £1.50/each (10*80mm),
identical product Screwfix price £7.50/for a bag of 50 including nuts.
They don't have to do that terribly often to ensure I simply won't
bother to look in B&Q. OK, the nearest alternative to me is Screwfix,
so my spend ends up in the same pocket - but if my choice was B&Q or A
N Other Builders Merchants, the former wouldn't get a look unless I
couldn't get it elsewhere.
Their price differentials are odd, on MK electrical fittings at B&Q
are within a few pence of SF, but on plumbing fittings (solder ring or
plastic push fit) they charge a lot more and (often) are offering an
inferior product.
The Medway Handyman
> On 27 Mar, 12:22, Vernon <big_ver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
>>
>>> Simon.
>>
>> I presume it is to compete with the main builders merchants, they
>> offer reasonable prices and good opening hours, I know several
>> builders that do use tradepoint, simply because the opening hours
>> suit. I cannot remember which group of builders merchants now, but
>> at least one has consolidated it's outlets and is looking to sell to
>> a competitor.
>>
>> With regards to Screwfix, if there are more tradepoints around the
>> country, then there is no need for screwfix to have trade counters,
>> seems to be a fairly obvious way to save money. B&Q is open all
>> hours, so why not use it, they are offering better pricing with
>> tradepoint. Would not suprise me if screwfix went back to online
>> only.
>
> Hmmm - on many lines B&Q is vastly overpriced compared to Screwfix.
> Thursday I needed some coach bolts. B&Q price £1.50/each (10*80mm),
> identical product Screwfix price £7.50/for a bag of 50 including nuts.
>
> They don't have to do that terribly often to ensure I simply won't
> bother to look in B&Q. OK, the nearest alternative to me is Screwfix,
> so my spend ends up in the same pocket - but if my choice was B&Q or A
> N Other Builders Merchants, the former wouldn't get a look unless I
> couldn't get it elsewhere.
I reckon the price differencial is getting bigger. Now Toolstation do free
delivery over £10 and I have a local hotel (who I work for) as a delivery
address, I'm buying more & more from them.
sm_jamieson
But B&Q is only open to trade (in theory) so if they replace screwfix
counters, its only toolstation left. I guess the toolstation guy is
looking on with interest.
Simon.
PeterC
>> Dunno. Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
>
> Which can be a PITA at Screwfix, when somebody and his misses wants to
> chew the cud over which one to choose ("Well what do you think
> dear?"), see inside the box etc - whilst the queue gets longer and
> longer behind them.
Well, I've just been to SF and asked to look in a box. That was because the
website had conflicting information re. no. of batteries and size of chuck
- I won't buy thingd when there's no definitive info. available.
As it happened, there was a bottleneck at the one till - caused be younger
blokes in scruffy workwear, so no one was delayed.
And yes, I do have a B&Q wrinklycard!
--
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2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.
d...@gglz.com
> Well, I've just been to SF and asked to look in a box. That was because the
> website had conflicting information
Yes, that is a PITA too. Stuff like ducting is just a confused dump of
items in the catalogue, and even worse on the website.
When faced with that, I'll order them all from the website and send
back (or get credit and be told to keep) what's wrong.
Vernon
Yes but it depends on how much revenue the trade counters generate wrt
the website. If they can get trade customers to buy from tradepoint,
with discount, most things are similar in price to screwfix, but with
the benefit of no numpties in the queue in front, and longer opening
hours. As for joe public, he can still order from screwfix online, or if
he needs it now, will have to pay the B&Q premium for the priviledge.
Seems to make some sense, fleece the public more, offer better trade
pricing, keen DIYers will have to use other outlets or order online to
get competitive pricing.
Rod
<>
>
> 5 minutes with Microsoft Publisher will sort those for you :o)
>
>
:-)
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The Medway Handyman
Or use a fake ID. Wouldn't need MOSSAD on the job.
sm_jamieson
Or fake letterhead and business card.
Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
Majesty's pleasure.
Simon.
F
> Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
No, we all go to Focus now to get our 10% on any day of the week...
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Invisible Man
pension but am not quite 60 never mind 65
Dave Liquorice
>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>> Business Card
>> Business Letter head
>> Local newspaper advert
>> local directory entry (thomson, yellow pages etc)
>
> Blimey - thats going to be impossible to defraud.
B-)
Why don't they ask for something that really indicates legitimate
trader? Like VAT registration certificate or public liability
insurance certificate.
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Dave.
Frank Erskine
'Pensioner' is more a sort of '(un)occupation' than to do with age. On
the other hand, 'old-age pensioner' suggests being a recipient of
state pension. I don't like the term - it suggests that somebody of 65
is 'old', which I'm sure is no longer necessarily true.
The B&Q card doesn't specify being a pensioner; merely being over 60 -
hence the 'Diamond' as its title.
I retired at about 57, but still had to wait until I was 60 to get my
B&Q wrinkly card.
We don't have any (AFAIK) Focus stores around here - they were all
sold to Wickes a few years ago.
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Steve Firth
> The evidence required is 2 of:
> Business Card
> Business Letter head
> Local newspaper advert
> local directory entry (thomson, yellow pages etc)
What? No trader or bankers reference, no requirement for VAT cert or
Certificate of Incorporation. My, they do set a difficult barrier to
membership.
Steve Firth
> > The evidence required is 2 of:
> > Business Card
> > Business Letter head
>
> Well nobody that shouldn't will get past stringent checks like that
> then.
Indeed not, thank $DEITY that there are no machines at garages and
motorway service stations selling instant business cards for those who
want to look like a trader.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "d...@gglz.com" <d...@gglz.com>
saying something like:
>
>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>> Business Card
>> Business Letter head
>
>Well nobody that shouldn't will get past stringent checks like that
>then.
Like about half the 'members' of Makro, etc.
Grimly Curmudgeon
<frank....@btinternet.com> saying something like:
>>>> Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
>>>
>>> No, we all go to Focus now to get our 10% on any day of the week...
>>>
>>What do you have to do to qualify as a pensioner? I have a company
>>pension but am not quite 60 never mind 65
>
>'Pensioner' is more a sort of '(un)occupation' than to do with age. On
>the other hand, 'old-age pensioner' suggests being a recipient of
>state pension. I don't like the term - it suggests that somebody of 65
>is 'old', which I'm sure is no longer necessarily true.
>The B&Q card doesn't specify being a pensioner; merely being over 60 -
>hence the 'Diamond' as its title.
>I retired at about 57, but still had to wait until I was 60 to get my
>B&Q wrinkly card.
Christ onna Honda, I'm feeling quite young around here.
Grimly Curmudgeon
<sm_ja...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>Probably get put in prison for a fake ID.
>Or fake letterhead and business card.
Only just started up, innit?
>Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
>Majesty's pleasure.
To encourage the others.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember sm_jamieson
<sm_ja...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
>Majesty's pleasure.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260901/Woman-lied-CV-A-Levels-bag-NHS-job-jailed.html
Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton.
Frankly, I think she did the right thing - proves she didn't want to sit
around on her arse and did what she had to to get a job. Best of luck to
her and a thousand camel shits on the head of the abysmal magistrate,
also the utter twats who took the matter to the police and the CPS
wankers who proceeded with it.
Adrian
sounding much like they were saying:
>>Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
>>Majesty's pleasure.
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260901/Woman-lied-CV-A-Levels-
bag-NHS-job-jailed.html
>
> Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton. Frankly, I think she did the
> right thing - proves she didn't want to sit around on her arse and did
> what she had to to get a job.
Indeed. She did the right thing - she studied to gain the qualifications
she needed.
Oh, wait. She didn't, did she?
Man at B&Q
> sm_jamieson <sm_jamie...@hotmail.com>
> wibbled on Saturday 27 March 2010 18:22
>
> > Probably get put in prison for a fake ID.
> > Or fake letterhead and business card.
> > Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
> > Majesty's pleasure.
> > Simon.
>
> don't need to register in any way to trade with that name...
If you haven't already, you would need to register as self employed
with HMRC.
MBQ
Man at B&Q
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember sm_jamieson
>
> >Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
> >Majesty's pleasure.
>
>
> Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton.
> Frankly, I think she did the right thing - proves she didn't want to sit
> around on her arse and did what she had to to get a job. Best of luck to
> her and a thousand camel shits on the head of the abysmal magistrate,
> also the utter twats who took the matter to the police and the CPS
> wankers who proceeded with it.
"11 similar offences to be taken into consideration.
She also admitted making a false instrument - the reference and a
forged naval discharge certificate."
How would you like a former employee faking a reference from you?
MBQ
Kevin Poole
sm_jamieson wrote:
< snip B&Q trade card >
>
> Right, found PDF version of form.
> Its headed "open to to trade professionals like you !"
>
I wonder whether they mind what your trade or calling is?
I've got all the "proof" for my little wedding car business - but would
they want to ask whether the bag of cement was to build a garage?
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Owain
> I wonder whether they mind what your trade or calling is?
> I've got all the "proof" for my little wedding car business - but would
> they want to ask whether the bag of cement was to build a garage?
If it comes to that someone could just send the Mrs along with a few
cards lifted from a phone box. "plumbing fittings - it's for the
assisted showers dearie"
Might be embarrassing if Mr B&Q wanted a reciprocal discount
though.!!!
Owain
d...@gglz.com
> > If I printing some up with "TJW Works", it wouldn't be provably fake as I
> > don't need to register in any way to trade with that name...
>
> If you haven't already, you would need to register as self employed
> with HMRC.
Only if it was your sole occupation, i.e. you're not on the payroll
somewhere else and PAYE.
If you set up a business sideline, the first time you need to do any
official form is your tax return at the end of the tax year (some
months after the end of your trading year) in which you first make any
money.
Rick Hughes
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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There are plenty of firms on interent that provide business card for free
....
www.vistaprint.com for one
Letter head should take all of 2 mins with Microsoft word
Rick Hughes
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> Dunno. Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
Which can be a PITA at Screwfix, when somebody and his misses wants to
chew the cud over which one to choose ("Well what do you think
dear?"), see inside the box etc - whilst the queue gets longer and
longer behind them.
I'd be all for a "no debate" queue at screwfix - if your slip isn't
exactly right they chuck it straight in the bin and slap you about the
head with an angle grinder (Quote No: 63218) .
I'd like an 'in stock' queue .. every time go to Screwfix outlet their
never have all the items.
Used to me much better when it wasn't owned by Kingfisher
Dave Liquorice
> > If you haven't already, you would need to register as self employed
>
> OK, that's a new one (not that I study tax law)... I assumed you'd just
> do a regular tax return...
If you are just a normal wage slave you would not normally be sent
the "Income from Self Employment" section. You can ask for it and
just fill it in there is no requirement to "register" as such.
National Insurance is the bigger problem, you can claim back
overpayment of NI contribs but IIRC you have to ask *before* you have
overpaid and the hoops to jump through are quite convoluted.
> OK, I'll revise that - you don't need to register the company (as you
> would a Ltd etc) as the name is based on name and/or initials. or has
> that changed too?
Not as far as I am aware you can "trade as" anything you like
provided:
It's not obscence or likely to cause offense.
That some one else isn't already using it in the locality or has it
registered as a trade mark etc. So ICI is out but Fred can quite
simply use "Fred's Building Services" if he is the only Fred's
Building Services in the immediate area. There can be unrelated
Fred's Building Services in say Carlisle and Lancaster if the areas
they cover don't overlap and there is little chance of confusion
between the two.
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Grimly Curmudgeon
<manat...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>"11 similar offences to be taken into consideration.
>
>She also admitted making a false instrument - the reference and a
>forged naval discharge certificate."
So? It's dog eat dog in the employment marketplace.
>How would you like a former employee faking a reference from you?
<shrug>
I wouldn't care - no skin off my nose.
Dave Liquorice
>>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>>> Business Card
>>> Business Letter head
>>
>> Well nobody that shouldn't will get past stringent checks like
that
>> then.
>
> Like about half the 'members' of Makro, etc.
They seem to have tightened up a bit:
http://www.makro.co.uk/servlet/PB/menu/1073034/index.html
Costco have always been
tighter:
http://www.costco.co.uk/Membership_home/Trade_memship/trade_membership
.htm
Still fairly easy to achieve but not as lax as some one with Word and
a printer as required for B&Q Tradepoint.
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Dave.
dennis@home
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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Well it did say suspicions were aroused when she couldn't do her job.. its
one thing stretching the truth and another lying to get a job you can't do.
I saw a report somewhere that most CVs have lies in them and its about time
something was done to stop it.
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>Indeed. She did the right thing - she studied to gain the qualifications
>she needed.
>
>Oh, wait. She didn't, did she?
Who cares? It's not as if she became a medic without the training and
qualies. She was a paper-pusher, for fuck's sake and it's likely she
simply wasn't up to the job (which is the official explanation), or fell
out with somebody there (which is my suspicion), thus arousing a need to
get her out.
Fucking A-levels, for fuck's sake - what a rancid excuse.
ARWadsworth
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I thought A levels were given away in cornfakes packets these days.
Adam
ARWadsworth
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>
>
> "Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gi9tq5hcb1dvf2ubn...@4ax.com...
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember sm_jamieson
>> <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>>
>>>Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
>>>Majesty's pleasure.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260901/Woman-lied-CV-A-Levels-bag-NHS-job-jailed.html
>>
>> Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton.
>> Frankly, I think she did the right thing - proves she didn't want to sit
>> around on her arse and did what she had to to get a job. Best of luck to
>> her and a thousand camel shits on the head of the abysmal magistrate,
>> also the utter twats who took the matter to the police and the CPS
>> wankers who proceeded with it.
>
> Well it did say suspicions were aroused when she couldn't do her job..
Theres a lot of people that cannot do their job.
Adam
ARWadsworth
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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Seen her previous crimes?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/27/girl-jailed-for-lying-on-her-cv-115875-22141671/
Adam
Dave Liquorice
> Only if it was your sole occupation, i.e. you're not on the payroll
> somewhere else and PAYE.
Even then I doubt it, at the end of the first tax year in which you
started the "self employed" work you just need to ask for the
relevant forms from HMR&C.
> If you set up a business sideline, the first time you need to do any
> official form is your tax return at the end of the tax year (some
> months after the end of your trading year) in which you first make any
> money.
Fairly sure you can set any losses you make from self employment
against any tax you have paid via PAYE, savings etc... ie you tax
bill is based on your *total* income not just individual parts of it.
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Dave.
Dave Liquorice
>> Indeed. She did the right thing - she studied to gain the
>> qualifications she needed.
>>
>> Oh, wait. She didn't, did she?
>
> Who cares? It's not as if she became a medic without the training and
> qualies. She was a paper-pusher, for fuck's sake and it's likely she
> simply wasn't up to the job
But she got the job because she implied (by lying about her
qualifications) that she was up to it. She may only have been a paper
pusher but how critical to someones life are those bits of paper?
She comitted fraud, plain and simple, she has been jailed, good.
Along side that the NHS department that employed her needs to look at
their procedures. Why did they not ask to see the orginal A level
certificates showing the grade B passes?
Oh it's only a paper pushers job to check that sort of thing, I
wonder if they check that a Dr really does have the qualifications
they say they have...?
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Dave.
The Medway Handyman
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:42:41 -0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>
>>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>>> Business Card
>>> Business Letter head
>>> local directory entry (thomson, yellow pages etc)
>>
>> Blimey - thats going to be impossible to defraud.
>
> B-)
>
> Why don't they ask for something that really indicates legitimate
> trader? Like VAT registration certificate or public liability
> insurance certificate.
I'm trade but not VAT registered. PLI would work - although if it was worth
it, you could take it out, then cancel it. PLI starts at around £10 a
month.
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
Clive George
Worth 6 month prison sentence though?
Grimly Curmudgeon
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> saying something like:
>Seen her previous crimes?
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/27/girl-jailed-for-lying-on-her-cv-115875-22141671/
Unrelated.
David WE Roberts
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
One presumes she did not declare her criminal record when asked.
I would guess that the exagerated qualifications were not a big issue, but
forging an official Naval document and concealing a criminal record would be
much more likely to get someone sent down.
Bearing in mind the publications, a suggestion that anyone could be jailed
for tweaking their CV is much more likely to get a reader reaction.
d...@gglz.com
> Unrelated.
If someone came along a job, yet her references said she was
responsible for (and has a criminal conviction for) two bomb hoaxes at
her employers premises (RN ships) - I think it might rather influence
her chances of getting a job, over those applicants that either had a
clean record or had been honest about less serious wrongdoing.
The NHS is also one of those employers where you are legally required
to admit to any criminal convictions.
ARWadsworth
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
Both her convictions are for lying.
She should have applied to work for a newspaper.
Adam
ARWadsworth
"David WE Roberts" <davidwe...@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tenuq5tqqkdlhu3c8...@4ax.com...
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "ARWadsworth"
>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> saying something like:
>>
>>>Seen her previous crimes?
>>>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/27/girl-jailed-for-lying-on-her-cv-115875-22141671/
>>
>> Unrelated.
>
> One presumes she did not declare her criminal record when asked.
>
> I would guess that the exagerated qualifications were not a big issue, but
> forging an official Naval document and concealing a criminal record would
> be much more likely to get someone sent down.
It says a lot for the Navy if she can work as a sonar operator but cannot
count paper clips.
<http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Jailed-telling-lie-CV/article-1945403-detail/article.html>
Adam
Dave
> d...@gglz.com <d...@gglz.com> wrote:
>
>>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>>> Business Card
>>> Business Letter head
>> then.
>
> motorway service stations selling instant business cards for those who
> want to look like a trader.
It can be done very quickly and easily on a home PC with a laser printer.
Dave
Dave
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> saying something like:
>
>>> The evidence required is 2 of:
>>> Business Card
>>> Business Letter head
>> Well nobody that shouldn't will get past stringent checks like that
>> then.
>
Yes, I, along with my wife and daughter got one of their cards when they
sent a rep to the village hall, where my wife worked at the time. Wife
lost hers, from lack of use, but daughter and myself still have ours and
the daughter lives 266 miles away from the store she is registered at. I
did run into a problem when they wanted to phone me up on the village
hall phone number, until I told them it was an open and close and I
never stayed on the promisies. The card comes in handy for bulk
purchases that you can't buy in a supermarket.
Dave
Dave
> On 27/03/2010 21:38, F wrote:
>> On 27/03/2010 11:42 The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>
>>> Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
>>
>>
> What do you have to do to qualify as a pensioner? I have a company
> pension but am not quite 60 never mind 65
I was 53 when I took early retirement and jumped on the band waggon of
being a pensioner. Luckily, I was issued with a company pension card to
back it up :-)
Dave
Dave
> We don't have any (AFAIK) Focus stores around here - they were all
> sold to Wickes a few years ago.
That was my understanding, but someone I was talking to last week wanted
to know where there was a Focus store. Are there any stores left that
are still branded Focus?
Dave
ARWadsworth
"Invisible Man" <invi...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 27/03/2010 21:38, F wrote:
>> On 27/03/2010 11:42 The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>
>>> Spose it stops the pensioners clogging up a checkout on Wednesdays?
>>
>> No, we all go to Focus now to get our 10% on any day of the week...
>>
> What do you have to do to qualify as a pensioner? I have a company pension
> but am not quite 60 never mind 65
So that will be 68 years for you the young ones then.
http://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/state-pensions/state-pension-age-calculator
Adam
Dave
> On 27/03/2010 11:55, Dave wrote:
> <>
>>
>> 5 minutes with Microsoft Publisher will sort those for you :o)
>>
>>
> 5 seconds with Microsoft Publisher is too long a sentence.
>
> :-)
Can we difine what a sentence means here :-)
Dave
Adrian
were saying:
>> We don't have any (AFAIK) Focus stores around here - they were all sold
http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/Advice-Centre/Store-Locator/page/gmap
Owain
> My grandad lied about his age being 21 instead of 18[1], and grew a
> moustache to allay suspicion when he went for a job in chambers in London. ...
> I don't know why they had the notion of not employing anyone under 21,
> perhaps they assumed they'd not be reliable...
21 was the age of legal majority at that time?
Owain
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ARWadsworth"
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>Seen her previous crimes?
>>>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/27/girl-jailed-for-lying-on-her-cv-115875-22141671/
>>
>> Unrelated.
>
>Both her convictions are for lying.
Aye, heaven forbid that everyone here should have their CV scrutinised
for lying.
>She should have applied to work for a newspaper.
Daily Mail would be a good one.
Steve Firth
>
> It can be done very quickly and easily on a home PC with a laser printer.
*Gasp* you don't say.
Rod
In this case, cruel and unusual punishment. :-)
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Rod
Dave
Thanks, I think I know where a local store might be now. It was a
builder that was asking.
Dave
Dave
Microsnot. I agree. :-)
Dave
Dave Liquorice
> So that will be 68 years for you the young ones then.
At least 68 for the younger ones, I doubt it will have stayed at that
age by the time they get it. Always assuming the State Pension still
exists...
State Pension age for me is 66, I'm not so young at 50 this year.
Pensions are boring and seem an *awful* long way into the future when
you in your 20 or 30's but you do really need to be making good
provision now.
£25/month over 40 years = £12,000 invested at 4% interest = £31,000.
To have a £31k pot after 10 years at 4% you need to pump in
£2,250/month, which do you think is easier to do...
Not that a 31k will buy you much pension at all but it illustrates
that starting early has great benefit.
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Dave.
Roland Snetterton
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>
> >Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
> >Majesty's pleasure.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260901/Woman-lied-CV-A-Levels-bag-NHS-job-jailed.html
>
> Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton.
> Frankly, I think she did the right thing - proves she didn't want to sit
> around on her arse and did what she had to to get a job.
Whereas presumably somebody who actually put the hours in, in
studying so they could pass the relevant examinations which would
have qualified them for the job, had to go on the dole instead of her.
A bone-idle layabout who is simply too lazy to do any actual studying.
While the employer ends up paying good money to someone who can't actually
do the job - i.e. a thief stealing wages under false pretences, and possibly
loses business as a result.
Do you have any more bright ideas you can come up with ?
> Best of luck to
> her and a thousand camel shits on the head of the abysmal magistrate,
> also the utter twats who took the matter to the police and the CPS
> wankers who proceeded with it.
The only type of person who could possibly sympathise with this person would be
someone who's never had to make the effort to get qualifications themselves. i.e.
someone such as yourself. Which must mean presumably that you live on State Benefits.
Although in your case, given the evident deficiencies in your reasoning abilities
perhaps it makes sound economic sense that you, and those like you, should be
excluded from the workforce
R. V. Snetterton BSc.(Hons)
geoff
<RS...@onetel.net.uk> writes
>
>"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gi9tq5hcb1dvf2ubn...@4ax.com...
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember sm_jamieson
>> <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> saying something like:
>>
>> >Note in the news the person who's fake CV got her six months at her
>> >Majesty's pleasure.
>>
>>
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260901/Woman-lied-CV-A-Levels-
>>bag-NHS-job-jailed.html
>>
>> Sorry about it being the Daily Plankton.
>> Frankly, I think she did the right thing - proves she didn't want to sit
>> around on her arse and did what she had to to get a job.
>
>Whereas presumably somebody who actually put the hours in, in
>studying so they could pass the relevant examinations which would
>have qualified them for the job, had to go on the dole instead of her.
>A bone-idle layabout who is simply too lazy to do any actual studying.
What's this studying stuff you're talking about?
>
>While the employer ends up paying good money to someone who can't actually
>do the job - i.e. a thief stealing wages under false pretences, and possibly
>loses business as a result.
>
>R. V. Snetterton BSc.(Hons)
>
Not a degree in English though ...
(Checks for Skitts law to kick in)
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geoff
mogga
<sm_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Mar, 11:15, sm_jamieson <sm_jamie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Local B&Q warehouse bulk load counter has turned into a B&Q tradepoint
>> "trade only" counter. Website says you must be a "bona fide" trader
>> and meet 2 of the 3 eligibility criteria to get the card. These
>> criteria are apparently on the form. Trouble is I mouthed off (like a
>> fool who had to drag heavy stuff miles to the main counters) in there
>> and did not get a form, does anyone know what these criteria are ?
>>
>> Also, is screwfix going to go "trade-only", since this tradepoint
>> seems very similar and both are kingfisher ?
>>
>> Just read another forum (sorry ;-) and apparently people have been
>> throwing things about in other stores. So I think I was quite mild
>> mannered !!
>>
>> Simon.
>
>Right, found PDF version of form.
>Its headed "open to to trade professionals like you !"
>
>The evidence required is 2 of:
>Business Card
>Business Letter head
>Local newspaper advert
>local directory entry (thomson, yellow pages etc)
>
>Whats the point of "just for trade". I don't get it.
>
>Simon.
At ours they were begging people to sign up a while back. No proof
needed.
Say you've just started ...
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Dave Liquorice
> Eh? £2250/mo even at 0% gives you £270k after 10 years. Shome mishtake
> shurley.
Oops yes, well spotted. It was late my sanity checking must have gone
to bed early. B-) £2250/mo over 1 year... so make it £225/mo over
10 years at 4%.
> Your point about starting *early* and *consistently* with your own
> pension scheme is, however, a good and valid one.
Aye, learnt the hard way. B-( I started as a staffer at 18 but
didn't *have* to join the company pension scheme until I was 21 so I
didn't. I got made redundant after 14 years but only have 11 years in
the pension. That late joining, that no body(*) warned me about the
consequences of, has probably cost me over £1000/year on that
pension.
(*) Not friends, relatives, parents or the company personnel
department.
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Cheers
Dave.
Man at B&Q
> > > If I printing some up with "TJW Works", it wouldn't be provably fake as I
> > > don't need to register in any way to trade with that name...
>
> > If you haven't already, you would need to register as self employed
> > with HMRC.
>
> Only if it was your sole occupation, i.e. you're not on the payroll
> somewhere else and PAYE.
Incorrect. The registration is for the payment calss 2 NICs, even if
you already pay class 1 as an employee. I believe the information is
shared and this will also result in you being required to complete a
tax return.
From http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?topicId=1073867963
"You must also pay Class 2 NICs if you are self-employed in your spare
time, even if - as an employee - you are also paying Class 1 NICs.
However, if your Class 1 payments exceed a certain level, you may be
able to defer payment of your Class 2 NICs."
>
> If you set up a business sideline, the first time you need to do any
> official form is your tax return at the end of the tax year (some
> months after the end of your trading year) in which you first make any
> money.
Again, incorrect. You have to regsiter for class 2 NICs within 3
months of becoming self employed.
MBQ
Man at B&Q
wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:19:04 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
> > > If you haven't already, you would need to register as self employed
>
> > do a regular tax return...
>
> If you are just a normal wage slave you would not normally be sent
> the "Income from Self Employment" section. You can ask for it and
> just fill it in there is no requirement to "register" as such.
>
You are required to register within 3 months for the payment of class
2 NICs, even if you are still employed.
> National Insurance is the bigger problem, you can claim back
> overpayment of NI contribs but IIRC you have to ask *before* you have
> overpaid and the hoops to jump through are quite convoluted.
MBQ
Man at B&Q
wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:24:58 -0700 (PDT), d...@gglz.com wrote:
> > Only if it was your sole occupation, i.e. you're not on the payroll
> > somewhere else and PAYE.
>
> started the "self employed" work you just need to ask for the
> relevant forms from HMR&C.
>
> > If you set up a business sideline, the first time you need to do any
> > official form is your tax return at the end of the tax year (some
> > months after the end of your trading year) in which you first make any
> > money.
>
> against any tax you have paid via PAYE, savings etc... ie you tax
> bill is based on your *total* income not just individual parts of it.
Correct.
MBQ
F
> What do you have to do to qualify as a pensioner?
The qualification is age 60, not pensioner status.
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F
Dave
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:03:43 +0100, ARWadsworth wrote:
>
>> So that will be 68 years for you the young ones then.
>
> At least 68 for the younger ones, I doubt it will have stayed at that
> age by the time they get it. Always assuming the State Pension still
> exists...
Gordon has seen to it that it will. Remember he snatched money out of
the private sector pensions plans in his first budget and took more later.
> State Pension age for me is 66, I'm not so young at 50 this year.
> Pensions are boring and seem an *awful* long way into the future when
> you in your 20 or 30's but you do really need to be making good
> provision now.
I was in my late twenties and working for Hawker Siddeley on night
shift when we got a visit from the pension department. His pitch was so
good, I signed up to it immediately. This enabled me to take early
retirement at the age of 53, ten years ago. My state pension kicks in,
in 15 months time as well.
Dave
Grimly Curmudgeon
<RS...@onetel.net.uk> saying something like:
>Do you have any more bright ideas you can come up with ?
>
Yes. You are an utter arse. How's about that?
>The only type of person who could possibly sympathise with this person would be
>someone who's never had to make the effort to get qualifications themselves. i.e.
>someone such as yourself. Which must mean presumably that you live on State Benefits.
Nice leap of logic there. Quite what pseudo-scientific discipline you
got your cornflake degree in, I don't know, but deductive reasoning
didn't figure highly.
>Although in your case, given the evident deficiencies in your reasoning abilities
>perhaps it makes sound economic sense that you, and those like you, should be
>excluded from the workforce
Ooh,, I'm wounded. COMPEN!
>R. V. Snetterton BSc.(Hons)
Hahahah... yeah, right.
Another wanker with an internet degree.
djc
> "David WE Roberts" <davidwe...@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
> news:8196m3...@mid.individual.net...
>> "Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>
>>>> Seen her previous crimes?
>>>> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/27/girl-jailed-for-lying-on-her-cv-115875-22141671/
>>> Unrelated.
>>
>> I would guess that the exagerated qualifications were not a big issue, but
>> forging an official Naval document and concealing a criminal record would
>> be much more likely to get someone sent down.
>
> It says a lot for the Navy if she can work as a sonar operator but cannot
> count paper clips.
>
>
> <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Jailed-telling-lie-CV/article-1945403-detail/article.html>
Three 'newspapers' all carrying the same story almost word-for-word,and
eachr epresenting it as all their own work,
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djc
Dave Liquorice
> Three 'newspapers' all carrying the same story almost word-for-word,
> and eachr epresenting it as all their own work,
You sound surprised?
The plymouth one has no attribution at all, not even a vague "From
our corespondent" let alone "From our court reporter, Fred Bloggs".
It's very common for the same story to appear, almost, if not
completely, verbatim in many different newspapers.
Sometimes a small tweak adjusts the meaning a little that gets passed
on and another small tweak shifts the meaning or indeed facts again.
Do not take anything you see, hear or read in the media as the truth
or even vaguely accurate.
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Cheers
Dave.