I was fortunate enough to have rear access to the house and dismantled
the lock to allow the other tenants to enter.
I bought a new tumbler and 8 keys for just under 25 quid.
The cost of replacement is much less important than the inconvenience of
other tenants needing more than two keys, or relatives that have been
away for sometime.
If it happens again, is there anyway that I can disolve the super glue ?
I tried turps and surgical spirit without success. The bloke that sold
me the new tumbler doesn't know of any solvents.
Many thanks in anticipation.
--
Costas Papas, London SE13, UK.
Methinks you need motion detector lights and a video camera if they do
that in your area.
> If it happens again, is there anyway that I can disolve the super glue ?
you could try asking a medical person what they use to unstick people
who've spilt the stuff accidentally.
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> If it happens again, is there anyway that I can disolve the super glue ?
Acetone is said to do it - never tried it myself.
Richard Sewell rse...@cix.co.uk
>gCostas Papas <cos...@papas.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> If it happens again, is there anyway that I can disolve the super glue ?
>
>you could try asking a medical person what they use to unstick people
>who've spilt the stuff accidentally.
I believe they use soap and water, probably not much use in a lock.
--
Regards, Tony Polson
North Yorkshire, UK
I believe you can buy super glue solvents. Some packs have a tube of solvent
included. Other than that check the sheds or try phoning the manufacturers.
Chances are they'll be more than happy to help.
Thanks Richard, I'll try it.
Acetone seems to work quite well, but it will also remove some types of
paint finish as well.
HTH
--
Robert Bird
> <snip>
> If it happens again, is there anyway that I can disolve the super glue ?
>
> I tried turps and surgical spirit without success. The bloke that sold
> me the new tumbler doesn't know of any solvents.
Loctite told me that the solvent for Super glue is acetone - it
doesn't so much dissolve it but makes it quite brittle.
Carol
I tried Acetone Richard, it didn't work.
That stuff is murder to disolve.
They squirted also some in one of the locks of my car in the driveway,
but it didn't work because they got sliding shutters and they were
probably in a hurry to do a proper job.
I am thinking of squirting some UB40 in them to protect against a new
attack. I have done that in the new Yale lock.
Glorious life in SE13... isn't it.
Chemists use to stock the correct solvent but it was withdrawn because
kids used it for sniffing.
From the looks of it, it is now illegal to sell it.
I do not have the address of the manufacturer. I bought a small bottle
many years ago but it goes off very soon after opening and threw it
away, never to buy it again. I use quick Araldite instead (the 2 part).
I tried it Carol, it produces flakes of the stuff, but it has jammed the
clearence of the pins on the tumbler. I left it immersed overnight but
it will not dissolve it. The key still jams on the first pin.
I would have imagined that it was a UB40 who was
responsible for the attack in the first place :-)
--
Andrew Gabriel
Consultant Software Engineer
>I am thinking of squirting some UB40 in them to protect against a new
>attack. I have done that in the new Yale lock.
>
I take you meant WD40?
However I bet the shits that did it have parents who know very well what a
UB40 and other Benefits Agency documents are/were for!
Marcus
tel: 0800 371822 (freephone for orders)
01297 33656 (for technical advice)
Mainly woodworking and metalworking tools by mail-order, but they sell
something called ZAP Z-7 debonder, for disolving superglues. Their stock
number is "ZAP16" and it costs £3.40 inc.
Maplins used to do it also, but missing from this years' catalogue.
--
Donlad, Hampstead.
Ah. Well, other ideas, in the I've-never-tried-them department:
I don't think the stuff is dishwasher safe, which probably means it'll be
weakened by boiling in water. I don't think it'll actually dissolve, so it
might leave your lock full of bits.
You could - perhaps - dismantle the thing & clean the bits individually.
You could get another tumbler made to fit the existing keys. Ask a
locksmith.
Richard Sewell rse...@cix.co.uk
Try heating it up - you have nothing to lose (so long as all the acetone's
out first!)
--
Matthew @rd.bbc.co.uk My opinions, not Auntie's
Since the perpetrator is probably someone you know, take care about advertising
any additional security mechanisms.
Covert cameras are available: you never know what they might turn up! If you
were
to catch the b*stard, you can sue him/her/them for the cost of the lock and any
other costs which you have incurred.
Superglue is "cyanoacrylate ester" (sp?), but that's the extent of my chemistry
knowledge. There must be some info on this on the internet, or perhaps (gasp!)
try another group?
For multiple access, what about an access control door lock? Some URLs for
interest
include:
http://www.lawsons.co.uk/
http://www.hi-media.co.uk/uk_security/company.htm
http://www.airtime.co.uk/21st_century/
HTH
Mungo
> Whoever it is they're unlikely to repeat the same action but
> watch out - it could be paint stripper on your car next.
I went to my local branch of TLC the other Monday morning, and they were
waiting outside because the lock had been superglued (only premises on the
trading estate which had suffered this). I went the next morning, and it had
been superglued again - but this time they'd got in before I arrived.
Ask at the casualty department of your local hospital. Just the other
day I read in the local rag of a guy who superglued his hand to that of
his girlfriend, to resist arrest!
The cops took them both to hospital, where the glue was removed,
chemically I believe :-)
--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland
http://www.g3wte.demon.co.uk/
I beleive the 'chemical' is simply soap, luke warm water and patience.
I heard an urban myth that super glue was developed by the US military as a
first aid resource for use in Vietnam. The idea being that a very large gash
could be quickly super glued up to prevent blood loss until better medical
attention was available.
I don't know whether to believe that or not but is does account for that
fact the it stick skin better than anything else.
Ed Sirett
Property Maintainer
I take it that all the metal parts (brass) will expand at the same rate
producing no results, (I have no gas coooker).
Richard, have you tried dismandling a Yale tumbler ?
If the pins fall apart, how would I know which one goes where.
They are all spring loaded.
True, the stuff is stocked in hospitals, but they will not fix locks !
You are absolutely right Rob. It is not one of the other tenants.
I have a strong suspicion, without proof, which I expressed to the
Police. It is on record for any future reference.
My car escaped locking because of a sliding seal that covers entrance to
the lock, but the super glue run down the outside and is clearly
visible.
I believe you're right. But I don't think it is dissolving the glue (as
some think) as much as weakening the bond between glue and skin. Imo,
super glue, once set, probably isn't "dissolved" by anything short of conc
acid. I certainly doubt it can be dissolved out of a keyhole.
> I heard an urban myth that super glue was developed by the US military as a
> first aid resource for use in Vietnam. The idea being that a very large gash
> could be quickly super glued up to prevent blood loss until better medical
> attention was available.
> I don't know whether to believe that or not but is does account for that
> fact the it stick skin better than anything else.
I followed Internet reports of one of the Everest expeditions this year.
They used super glue to seal skin fissures caused by the extreme cold.
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The "alt.locksmithing answers to Frequently Asked Questions" has
fascinating details about locks, and probably will enlighten you on that
point. From it's intro...
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> Richard, have you tried dismandling a Yale tumbler ?
>
> If the pins fall apart, how would I know which one goes where.
>
> They are all spring loaded.
Yes. I forget just how I got into it.
You can work out where the pins go by stacking them on the key & trying to
get a horizontal line, but it's much easier to not let them fall apart!
Richard Sewell rse...@cix.co.uk
You could also look for model shops (aeroplanes, r/c model cars, etc) -
they use superglues quite extensively, but call them cyano-acrylates, so
may also stock cyano debonder. When left to soak in debonder for about 4
minutes, the superglue turns to jelly which can then be washed off.
Beware, debonder attacks paint.
Superglue is also broken down by hot liquids - ask my father-in-law, who
mended his false teeth with it, only to find them subsequently floating
in pieces in his soup.
So, boiling the lock might work. Take care if baking it though - the
tiny springs that work on the tumbler pins may become brittle and
unspringy. Another tip from my diving mates, who bring up brass and
bronze things from wrecks, is to soak it in lemon juice (or any other
acetic acid, such as vinegar) overnight - brings up brass like new, even
if encrusted with barnacles and decades of undersea gunge.
If they have used Debalcol Ultrabond, the industrial superglue of
superglues, only a debonder will work, as it is both waterproof and
heat-resisting.
Must say that your local hooligans are a bit more up-market than those
around here - ours just nick eggs from their mum's fridge and toss them
at windows. If the window is closed, dried egg is a devil to get off the
glass. Must ask the council to plant more trees, so I can string them up
by the ankles if I catch 'em at it.
--
donlad, Hampstead.
> You can work out where the pins go by stacking them on the key & trying to
> get a horizontal line, but it's much easier to not let them fall apart!
It's less fiddly to put the key into the barrel and drop the pins into
the holes. when you find one which is then flush with the surface keep
it there with a bit of tape. Handy tip: if you loose one, coathanger
wire is about the right diameter, cut it a bit long and file it flush.
Nick.
That's a good start
> I take it that all the metal parts (brass) will expand at the same rate
> producing no results, (I have no gas coooker).
If you put it into a hot oven, differential expansion will result as there will
be temperature gradients within it. But I was rather thinking that it would
denature the superglue.
Acetone aka nail polish remover dissolves Stupidglue. As does water over a
period!....I hate stupidglue.
But it is actually true. Climbers use SG to stick back flappers of flesh
pulled out by excessive pressure. It lasts about 3 da#ys as a diy suture
before having o be reapplied (most wounds of the size you'd deal with yourself
will hae healed togethe by then anyway.)
Locktite do something called "Detach Glue Remover" which also works.
Hobby's store, between West Norwood Rail Station and West Norwood Bus
Garage, SE27, stock it, part no. 7805001, at £2.29 for 10ml.
Might be nearish to you in the Lewisham area,if you can't find anything
closer.
--
donlad, Hampstead.
--
Charles (Joe) Stahelin,
Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK.
I have just gone into town and looked in one of the fly by night shops
which sell "cheap" items. For 1.00UKP you can buy four tubes of
superglue and one tube of debonder in a bubble pack.
I have also looked up in the RS catalogue and for 8.38UKP you can buy a
20ml dropper bottle of debonder (part no. 159-4039)
forget water, and other inorganic solvents, they won't work in such an
application. The problem is one of penetration, the solvent must get
into the mass of superglue in the lock and soften it. I think that you
will spend a lot of time getting nowhere fast. dig deep in your pocket
and replace the lock.
--
Geoff
I think you might have a problem fitting a reggae band and all their
instruments into such a small orifice,
>in them to protect against a new
>attack. I have done that in the new Yale lock.
The problem remains that although you might be able to coat the surfaces
with WD40, you would still have a hard lump of cyanoacrylate gunge well
wedged inside it.
>
>Glorious life in SE13... isn't it.
--
Geoff
Yes, I heard this too many years ago, but then there was the woman who
stuck her poodle in the oven etc. also
>>
>>>--
>>>Frank Erskine
>>>Sunderland
>>>http://www.g3wte.demon.co.uk/
>>
>>
>That sounds to me a bit of a wild story Ed.
--
Geoff
What bugs me is that there seems to be no proper disolver for this glue.
At the very best, the glue flakes but does not disolve. The pins are
firmly glued in the cylinder. I have kept the old tumbler and if I
manage to clear the pins, I'll let everybody know.
>>in them to protect against a new
>>attack. I have done that in the new Yale lock.
> The problem remains that although you might be able to coat the surfaces
> with WD40, you would still have a hard lump of cyanoacrylate gunge well
> wedged inside it.
You could try a WD40 powered flame thrower that way they aren't likely
to get too close :)
> Eventually he filled his oven with gas cannisters, set it to come
> on around midnight and caught a train to London as an alibi. The
> ensuing explosion took out the entire rear wall of the house but
> miraculously nobody was hurt, other than the elderly landlady who
> tripped over a fireman's hose.
> You'd think he'd be locked up but he got a doctor's note to say
> he was suffering from temporary insanity and was given a
> conditional discharge. The nutter even approached the landlady
> later on, after the house had been rebuilt, to ask if he could
> have his old flat back...!!!
Hopefully she told him where to go.
Or go the whole way and connect it up to 30,000V, with a bucket of acid
held up by a PIR controlled solenoid with a company of fully armed SAS
troops discretely hidden behind the door as back up - that'll teach 'em
--
Geoff