Using 15w bulb in 10w-rated fridge light

[Mentalguy2k8]

I bought a 2nd-hand fridge to keep in the garage for drinks & stuff during
the summer, the bulb doesn't work. It's a Hotpoint, and most reviews said
that the downside was the location of the light - it's actually outside the
fridge, in the bottom of the top if you get my drift, and doesn't illuminate
the inside very well apparently.

The spec says to use a 10w bulb, another reviewer said that they tried a 15w
bulb but it blew straight away. Is this likely? Presumably it's not going to
be lit long enough to overheat the housing, so is there any electrical
reason why a 15w bulb can't be used?

[Mr Pounder]

"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I would stick with the spec. There are "special" lamps for fridges.
>

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <kopntk$fp9$1...@dont-email.me>,

What sort of bulb is it?
(Might be an issue if it's low voltage and exceeds the transformer
capability).

When mine blow (I think it was nearly 30 years old), I replaced it with
an LED one. You need to find one that fits, and sends at least some of
the light in the right direction.

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[Martin Brown]

You might be better off looking for a 4 or 5W LED lamp in the same
fitting which will give out more light and considerably less heat.

It strikes me as odd that LED lighting hasn't really taken off in
consumer fridges in a timely fashion.

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[Tim+]

Our friends have one with ghastly blue/white LED lighting inside. Makes
all your food look disgusting.

Tim

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <1829404254392212890.531960timdo...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Sadly, designers often haven't a clue when it comes to lighting.

[Adrian C]

I have LEDs in mine.


http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Fridge-Freezers/Overview/Panasonic+2-Door+Bottom-Freezer+Refrigerators/7662548/index.html

"Panasonic installed two flashing LEDs in the vitamin-safe compartment
to simulate the blue and green hues of sunlight. They continue working
even when the door is closed. The LEDs activate your fruit and
vegetables’ natural defences and stops them losing vitamins. It really
works, and the effect of our LEDs has been tested and certified by SLG,
a renowned independent test laboratory."

I need to do a controlled experiment and perhaps disconnect them sometime.

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[Mentalguy2k8]

"Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <kopntk$fp9$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> writes:
>> I bought a 2nd-hand fridge to keep in the garage for drinks & stuff
>> during
>> the summer, the bulb doesn't work. It's a Hotpoint, and most reviews said
>> that the downside was the location of the light - it's actually outside
>> the
>> fridge, in the bottom of the top if you get my drift, and doesn't
>> illuminate
>> the inside very well apparently.
>>
>> The spec says to use a 10w bulb, another reviewer said that they tried a
>> 15w
>> bulb but it blew straight away. Is this likely? Presumably it's not going
>> to
>> be lit long enough to overheat the housing, so is there any electrical
>> reason why a 15w bulb can't be used?
>
> What sort of bulb is it?
> (Might be an issue if it's low voltage and exceeds the transformer
> capability).

This one:

http://www.4hotpoint.co.uk/cgi-bin/product.pl?PID=366289&query=Hotpoint%20RLAV21P%20Lamp&model=RLAV21P&path=171865
(apparently a 10w SES pygmy lamp)

The (blown) one I took out says on it:

Philips
10w H.D.
230-240v
Italy XH5

[Gefreiter Krueger]

You mean real white as opposed to the yellowy crap you get from incandescent and CFL.

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[Gefreiter Krueger]

I'd suspect they had a dodgy bulb. Unless you leave the door open for a long time, it's not going to get hot enoguh to blow it.

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[Mentalguy2k8]

"Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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That's what my thoughts were, I can see a 10w bulb blowing in a 15w fitting
but not the other way. But I don't know much about electrickery so I
wondered if there was a genuine issue.

[Gefreiter Krueger]

That shouldn't happen either if the voltage is correct. I mean you stick 40W bulbs in room fittings that take 100.

I would think the only problem you'd see is melted plastic if you left the door ajar by mistake.

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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <koqa18$uql$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> "Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kopr5f$u1$1...@dont-email.me...

>> What sort of bulb is it?
>> (Might be an issue if it's low voltage and exceeds the transformer
>> capability).
>
> This one:
>
> http://www.4hotpoint.co.uk/cgi-bin/product.pl?PID=366289&query=Hotpoint%20RLAV21P%20Lamp&model=RLAV21P&path=171865
> (apparently a 10w SES pygmy lamp)
>
> The (blown) one I took out says on it:
>
> Philips
> 10w H.D.
> 230-240v
> Italy XH5

That's not a particularly standard rating (15W is normally the lowest).

But here's a cheaper 10W one:
http://cpc.farnell.com/_/41-un-49/10w-lamp-ses-e14-universal/dp/WG21425

However, I'd try an LED lamp instead, which at even 1/10th of the power
rating will probably be brighter (low power mains filament lamps are
extremely inefficient). IKEA and Clas Ohlson have a selection of small
mains LED lamps.

[meow...@care2.com]

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:27:16 AM UTC+1, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

> I bought a 2nd-hand fridge to keep in the garage for drinks & stuff during
> the summer, the bulb doesn't work. It's a Hotpoint, and most reviews said
> that the downside was the location of the light - it's actually outside the
> fridge, in the bottom of the top if you get my drift, and doesn't illuminate
> the inside very well apparently.
> The spec says to use a 10w bulb, another reviewer said that they tried a 15w
> bulb but it blew straight away. Is this likely?

instant blow is a common filament lamp failure mode, due to a faulty bulb.

> Presumably it's not going to
> be lit long enough to overheat the housing, so is there any electrical
> reason why a 15w bulb can't be used?

yes and no. Its unlikely a 15w would ever overheat, but just perhaps, if left on for a long time in a very tight space with low softening temp plastics.

A 1w or 2w LED would be a safe reliable option, and costs no more than the few filaments a fridge typically gets through in its life.

Call me cynical but I cant help suspecting the 10w rating might be to slide under some energy use target.


NT

[charles]

In article <1a82ace8-b432-4f3b...@googlegroups.com>,

<meow...@care2.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:27:16 AM UTC+1, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

> > I bought a 2nd-hand fridge to keep in the garage for drinks & stuff
> > during the summer, the bulb doesn't work. It's a Hotpoint, and most
> > reviews said that the downside was the location of the light - it's
> > actually outside the fridge, in the bottom of the top if you get my
> > drift, and doesn't illuminate the inside very well apparently. The
> > spec says to use a 10w bulb, another reviewer said that they tried a
> > 15w bulb but it blew straight away. Is this likely?

> instant blow is a common filament lamp failure mode, due to a faulty bulb.

I've met this with screw-in bulbs if inserted when the power is on. The
fillament hasn't recoverd from the mechanical shock of twisting the bulb
and then gets volts - result "bang".

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[Brian Gaff]

Not that I can think of unless its a low voltage bulb and its running on a
higher voltage than its rated for.

brian

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"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Tim+]

I *like* yellow crap, and no, it's not "white", definitely blue tinged like
you get from crap LEDs.

Tim

[Gefreiter Krueger]

No, it's real white. Your eyes have become accustomed to yellow rubbish.

Blue tinged is BMW headlights. THAT is annoying, they look like a police car. Unless it's the ones that change between green, blue, and yellow as they change angle, then they just look stupid.

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[Tim+]

"Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:12:10 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>

>>> You mean real white as opposed to the yellowy crap you get from incandescent and CFL.
>>
>> I *like* yellow crap, and no, it's not "white", definitely blue tinged like
>> you get from crap LEDs.
>
> No, it's real white. Your eyes have become accustomed to yellow rubbish.

Have you looked in my friend's fridge? Thought not. Why is it rubbish if I
like it? Looks way better to me.

Tim

[Gefreiter Krueger]

It's rubbish to those with proper eyesight.

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[Tim+]

"Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:08:46 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:12:10 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>> You mean real white as opposed to the yellowy crap you get from incandescent and CFL.
>>>>
>>>> I *like* yellow crap, and no, it's not "white", definitely blue tinged like
>>>> you get from crap LEDs.
>>>
>>> No, it's real white. Your eyes have become accustomed to yellow rubbish.
>>
>> Have you looked in my friend's fridge? Thought not. Why is it rubbish if I
>> like it? Looks way better to me.
>
> It's rubbish to those with proper eyesight.

Welcome to my killfile.

Tim

[Gefreiter Krueger]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:21:37 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:08:46 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:12:10 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>

>>>>>
>>>>> I *like* yellow crap, and no, it's not "white", definitely blue tinged like
>>>>> you get from crap LEDs.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's real white. Your eyes have become accustomed to yellow rubbish.
>>>
>>> Have you looked in my friend's fridge? Thought not. Why is it rubbish if I
>>> like it? Looks way better to me.
>>
>> It's rubbish to those with proper eyesight.
>
>
> Welcome to my killfile.

Awww did I offend the blind fool?

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[Martin Brown]

You can get LED lamps for any colour temperature these days even down to
2700K although I have had some marked 2700 that were more like 3500. You
can't complain about the brightness of the latest generation - they
leave CFLs in the dark for lumens per watt now and start instantly at
full brightness which is very useful on stairs.

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[Gazz]

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I do believe the best way to get good colour rendition from white led's, is
to make the white up from RGB led's.
I believe the white led's produce ultra violet light from the die, then
convert it to white using a phosphor lens or something,
but either a single RGB led, or a selection of individual red, green and
blue led's close together seem to produce a much nicer white, and you can
easilly adjust it to your taste of white by varying the brightness of the
individual colours current.

[Martin Brown]

Butchers have special fluorotubes withe extra red to make meat look
better. Ordinary fluoro tube phosphors the light with the higher green
content makes the meat look past its best and unappetising.

>> You can get LED lamps for any colour temperature these days even down
>> to 2700K although I have had some marked 2700 that were more like
>> 3500. You can't complain about the brightness of the latest generation
>> - they leave CFLs in the dark for lumens per watt now and start
>> instantly at full brightness which is very useful on stairs.
>
> I do believe the best way to get good colour rendition from white led's,
> is to make the white up from RGB led's.
> I believe the white led's produce ultra violet light from the die, then
> convert it to white using a phosphor lens or something,

It is actually a hard blue light and the broadband phosphor is amber
yellow bordering on red. The final result isn't too bad these days once
there is a diffuser around it. How much red determines the effective
colour temperature. Early ones tended to have obvious coloured fringes
at edge of beam if they were used in water clear packaging.

> but either a single RGB led, or a selection of individual red, green and
> blue led's close together seem to produce a much nicer white, and you
> can easilly adjust it to your taste of white by varying the brightness
> of the individual colours current.

Very much more expensive to do and you have a nightmare mixing the
colours properly in the beam. The new generation of stage spotlights are
done this way and can mix any colour to order. White ones are still a
lot cheaper and brighter if you only want pure white light though.

They do exist in consumer products too but are generally more expensive
and less powerful than the highly optimised warm white LEDs.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Changing-Long-Life-Lamp-Company/dp/B0058G6YF6/ref=pd_sim_light_2

(not an endorsement I have never tried one)

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[Gefreiter Krueger]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:30:03 +0100, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On 06/06/2013 23:12, Tim+ wrote:
>> "Gefreiter Krueger" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:02:29 +0100, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 06/06/2013 11:27, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>> You might be better off looking for a 4 or 5W LED lamp in the same
>>>>> fitting which will give out more light and considerably less heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> It strikes me as odd that LED lighting hasn't really taken off in
>>>>> consumer fridges in a timely fashion.
>>>>
>>>> Our friends have one with ghastly blue/white LED lighting inside. Makes
>>>> all your food look disgusting.
>>>
>>> You mean real white as opposed to the yellowy crap you get from incandescent and CFL.
>>
>>
>> I *like* yellow crap, and no, it's not "white", definitely blue tinged like
>> you get from crap LEDs.
>
> You can get LED lamps for any colour temperature these days even down to
> 2700K although I have had some marked 2700 that were more like 3500.

Indeed. I have both here. But much prefer the 6500K.

> You can't complain about the brightness of the latest generation - they
> leave CFLs in the dark for lumens per watt now and start instantly at
> full brightness which is very useful on stairs.

Agreed.

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[meow...@care2.com]

On Friday, June 7, 2013 1:19:28 PM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 07/06/2013 12:46, Gazz wrote:

> > but either a single RGB led, or a selection of individual red, green and
> > blue led's close together seem to produce a much nicer white, and you
> > can easilly adjust it to your taste of white by varying the brightness
> > of the individual colours current.

> Very much more expensive to do

I've always found R+G+B to work out cheaper, using Rapid prices.

> and you have a nightmare mixing the
> colours properly in the beam.

just use 2 stage diffusion.

> The new generation of stage spotlights are
> done this way and can mix any colour to order.

its easy to add a control to dial any colour.

> White ones are still a
> lot cheaper and brighter if you only want pure white light though.

Finished products are, due to size of market.


NT

[Tim+]

Oh i know that, it's just that this fridge had horrid blue/white LEDs which
really did make the fridge contents look unappetising. I wouldn't buy a
fridge with LED lighting without out checking the colour first.

I only mentioned as others might also like to check first.

Tim

[Gefreiter Krueger]

Well unless they fitted blue LEDs which I very much doubt, then the food would be the correct colour with a (true) white LED.

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