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Rusty
Mar 24, 2015, 10:22:31 AM3/24/15
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I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.
Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?
Thanks.
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.
Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?
Thanks.
Nick
Mar 24, 2015, 12:50:01 PM3/24/15
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"Rusty" <Rusty...@home.com> wrote in message
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problem with the drainage.
Tim+
Mar 24, 2015, 1:40:40 PM3/24/15
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congeal. As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in
particular is great at setting in drains.
Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.
Tim
The Natural Philosopher
Mar 24, 2015, 1:46:27 PM3/24/15
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On 24/03/15 17:40, Tim+ wrote:
> Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.
+10
> Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.
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Mar 24, 2015, 1:47:02 PM3/24/15
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ss
Mar 24, 2015, 1:57:30 PM3/24/15
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On 24/03/2015 17:47, meow...@care2.com wrote:
> Yup. If you lack one, hot caustic soda down a drain clears it of fat. Its nasty stuff though.
+1
> Yup. If you lack one, hot caustic soda down a drain clears it of fat. Its nasty stuff though.
i do that once a year as a matter of course.
harryagain
Mar 24, 2015, 2:25:42 PM3/24/15
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"Nick" <nick...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Insufficient/zero fall in the drain.
David
Mar 24, 2015, 2:48:18 PM3/24/15
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Reason I ask is that powder in washing machines can clog up drains if you
put too much in.
One of my least pleasant memories is cleaning out a grid where the washing
machine (previous owner) had filled the U bend with congealed white stuff.
Cheers
Dave R
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Chris French
Mar 24, 2015, 4:10:08 PM3/24/15
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<187057432448911507.805988...@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
Yeah, I've ever noticed dishwasher detergent ever doing that.
Fat does sound more likely, though I'd be a bit surprised if fat in the
dishwasher water did it? I thought it was from people pouring fat down
sink, or from the hand wash water?
Fat can certainly be a problem though. A while after moving into this
house the drain outside the kitchen blocked a bit downstream of the U
bend. (the drain turned 90 degrees as well right after it.)
Eventually cleared it with a drain cleaning attachment on a pressure
washer. Great big lumps of fat floated down from it - the drain must
have been at least 50% blocked with it I reckon
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Chris French
<187057432448911507.805988...@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
Fat does sound more likely, though I'd be a bit surprised if fat in the
dishwasher water did it? I thought it was from people pouring fat down
sink, or from the hand wash water?
Fat can certainly be a problem though. A while after moving into this
house the drain outside the kitchen blocked a bit downstream of the U
bend. (the drain turned 90 degrees as well right after it.)
Eventually cleared it with a drain cleaning attachment on a pressure
washer. Great big lumps of fat floated down from it - the drain must
have been at least 50% blocked with it I reckon
--
Chris French
Dave Liquorice
Mar 24, 2015, 4:13:05 PM3/24/15
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:40:37 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
>> More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or
(b)
>> a problem with the drainage.
>
> I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
> congeal.
So would I. I'm under the impression that dishwasher "detergent" is
>> More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or
(b)
>> a problem with the drainage.
>
> I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
> congeal.
pretty caustic stuff . You certainly don't want to hand wash your
dishes using dishwasher detergent...
> As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in particular
> is great at setting in drains.
Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
hard but crumbly residue. Fat is fat thick softish stuff with not
much texture.
Any drain that regularly needs to be rodded has a fault or is having
stuff down it that shouldn't go down it, like animal fats. "Fault"
would normally be not enough fall so solids don't get carried by the
water flow or too much fall so the water flows away too quickly
leaving the soilds behind.
--
Cheers
Dave.
Rusty
Mar 24, 2015, 4:29:55 PM3/24/15
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Thanks for responses.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.
I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
Thanks.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.
I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
Thanks.
Rod Speed
Mar 24, 2015, 6:03:28 PM3/24/15
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Rusty <Rusty...@home.com> wrote
> I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due
> to dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
> Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
> We rarely use the sink which drains to the same
> path, so it doesn't get much "flush though".
> I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it
> re-congeals when the expelled "liquid" gets cold.
latest dishwasher on the 6' wide concrete slab
that runs the whole of the length of that part
of the back of the house, under the 6' eave
there just because I have been too lazy to install
it in the kitchen in place of the previous one.
So the drain is just lying on the ground,
so I can see that nothing congeals at all.
> Any suggestions ?
Work out what is congealing.
At one time I used to tip the molten fat out of
the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of lamb
in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom
of the dishwasher. That approach does end up
with a lot of fat in the drain and that does
certainly congeal there.
I don't do that anymore, wipe the pan out with
kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem.
> Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?
The solid pellets of detergent are completely dissolved
during the wash cycle and that dissolved detergent
doesn't ever congeal when its cold.
Rod Speed
Mar 24, 2015, 7:18:02 PM3/24/15
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> The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
> But mine seems worse than theirs.
> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
Doesn't sound like it's the fat that that works with that is the problem.
> Thanks for responses.
> It is not lamb or other meat fats.
> It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
> but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
> with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
> I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
> water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
> There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
> It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
> 6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
> his neighbour.
Sounds like it's the very hard water then.
> It is not lamb or other meat fats.
> It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
> but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
> with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
> I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
> water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
> There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
> It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
> 6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
> his neighbour.
> The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
> But mine seems worse than theirs.
> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
Rusty
Mar 25, 2015, 3:50:24 AM3/25/15
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<snip>
That's ie:
though it's definately from the dishwasher.
>We need a description of the stuff that is blocking the drain.
>Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
>hard but crumbly residue. Fat is fat thick softish stuff with not
>much texture.
<snip>
>Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
>hard but crumbly residue. Fat is fat thick softish stuff with not
>much texture.
That's ie:
Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
>*****hard but crumbly residue*****
though it's definately from the dishwasher.
harryagain
Mar 25, 2015, 3:53:22 AM3/25/15
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minimum of water.
Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this case.
If a wash hand basin was also connected to the same drain it might help.
Most dishwasher detergents contain a softener.
Could be there is an obstruction in the drain.
More likely if the drain is earthenware.
Or could be missized.
Oversized is as bad as undersized.
Maybe you should get a proper chemical ion exchange water softener.
But don't drink the water.
Chris French
Mar 25, 2015, 5:39:36 AM3/25/15
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In message <metpft$jj2$3...@dont-email.me>, harryagain
<harry...@btinternet.com> writes
I'm intrigued as to what the deposit is as I've never noticed such a
thing. But maybe that's because the drain here has the sink feeding it
as well. Maybe it's something about he local water supply?
>If a wash hand basin was also connected to the same drain it might help.
>
>Most dishwasher detergents contain a softener.
>
<snip>
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Chris French
<harry...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>"Rusty" <Rusty...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:n9h3ha18q3ui4o5ei...@4ax.com...
>> Thanks for responses.
>> It is not lamb or other meat fats.
>> It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
>> but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
>> with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
>> I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
>> water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
>> There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
>> It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
>> 6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
>> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
>> his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
>> But mine seems worse than theirs.
>>
>> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>The problem with modern dishwashers is that they are designed to use a very
>minimum of water.
>Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this case.
I wonder if a liquid dishwasher detergent would help?
>"Rusty" <Rusty...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:n9h3ha18q3ui4o5ei...@4ax.com...
>> Thanks for responses.
>> It is not lamb or other meat fats.
>> It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
>> but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
>> with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
>> I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
>> water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
>> There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
>> It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
>> 6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
>> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
>> his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
>> But mine seems worse than theirs.
>>
>> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>The problem with modern dishwashers is that they are designed to use a very
>minimum of water.
>Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this case.
I'm intrigued as to what the deposit is as I've never noticed such a
thing. But maybe that's because the drain here has the sink feeding it
as well. Maybe it's something about he local water supply?
>If a wash hand basin was also connected to the same drain it might help.
>
>Most dishwasher detergents contain a softener.
>
>
>Maybe you should get a proper chemical ion exchange water softener.
>But don't drink the water.
>
>
Dishwashers include a built in water softner
>Maybe you should get a proper chemical ion exchange water softener.
>But don't drink the water.
>
>
--
Chris French
charles
Mar 25, 2015, 5:53:18 AM3/25/15
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In article <AGkq$NXSGo...@familyfrench.co.uk>, Chris French
One thing that I've found clogging drains is shaving soap.
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Zapp_Brannigan
Mar 28, 2015, 3:19:14 PM3/28/15
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On 24/03/2015 20:29, Rusty wrote:
>
> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
> his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
> But mine seems worse than theirs.
>
> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
I run the dishwasher empty every few months, on max temp, with an eggcup
>
> I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
> his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
> But mine seems worse than theirs.
>
> I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.
of caustic soda instead of detergent. I figure it flushes out any gunk
in the dishwasher pumps etc, and then flushes the drain.
Not *recommending* this - it's worked for us for a long time, but maybe
the caustic soda is doing something horrible to the dishwasher and it
will blow up tomorrow.
A Cepeda
Jan 9, 2016, 7:44:06 PM1/9/16
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replying to Rod Speed , A Cepeda wrote:
> rod.speed.aaa wrote:
>
> Rusty <Rusty...@home.com> wrote
we wash our clothes a lot with liquid detergent. We have the same problem.
I believe our problem is the cold and that the septic tank does not empty
fluids fast enough when there is heavy use of the washer machine, toilet,
showers, etc. (i.e., when the house is full of guests).
--
> rod.speed.aaa wrote:
>
> Rusty <Rusty...@home.com> wrote
> It isn't the dishwasher detergent that congeals.
> Same one I have used for decades now.
> I don't believe that. I am currently running my
> latest dishwasher on the 6' wide concrete slab
> that runs the whole of the length of that part
> of the back of the house, under the 6' eave
> there just because I have been too lazy to install
> it in the kitchen in place of the previous one.
> So the drain is just lying on the ground,
> so I can see that nothing congeals at all.
> latest dishwasher on the 6' wide concrete slab
> that runs the whole of the length of that part
> of the back of the house, under the 6' eave
> there just because I have been too lazy to install
> it in the kitchen in place of the previous one.
> So the drain is just lying on the ground,
> so I can see that nothing congeals at all.
> Work out what is congealing.
> At one time I used to tip the molten fat out of
> the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of lamb
> in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom
> of the dishwasher. That approach does end up
> with a lot of fat in the drain and that does
> certainly congeal there.
> I don't do that anymore, wipe the pan out with
> kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem.
> At one time I used to tip the molten fat out of
> the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of lamb
> in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom
> of the dishwasher. That approach does end up
> with a lot of fat in the drain and that does
> certainly congeal there.
> I don't do that anymore, wipe the pan out with
> kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem.
> I don't believe that is going to make any difference.
> The solid pellets of detergent are completely dissolved
> during the wash cycle and that dissolved detergent
> doesn't ever congeal when its cold.
We do not have a dishwasher, we do not put fat or oils down the drain, but
> The solid pellets of detergent are completely dissolved
> during the wash cycle and that dissolved detergent
> doesn't ever congeal when its cold.
we wash our clothes a lot with liquid detergent. We have the same problem.
I believe our problem is the cold and that the septic tank does not empty
fluids fast enough when there is heavy use of the washer machine, toilet,
showers, etc. (i.e., when the house is full of guests).
--
Broadback
Jan 10, 2016, 5:58:07 AM1/10/16
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toilet bowl once a month. I have found it extremely efficient. I had the
tank emptied before starting with the product, though this is
purportedly no necessary. The money you save not having the tank emptied
more than of sets the price of the product. apart from being a customer
I have no connection to the company.
newshound
Jan 10, 2016, 10:13:35 AM1/10/16
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Diane
Apr 9, 2017, 12:14:05 PM4/9/17
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replying to Tim+, Diane wrote:
I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have drain
lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer
using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going
down the drain hoses.
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I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have drain
lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer
using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going
down the drain hoses.
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Rod Speed
Apr 9, 2017, 12:37:04 PM4/9/17
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Diane <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote
> Tim+ wrote
> I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher
Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent
dishwasher rinses the stuff in it before washing is.
> but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on
> this one,
Trouble is you didn’t quote anything so we can't easily see that.
> I am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
> dissolve before going down the drain hoses.
After I found what looked like a long thin strand of what
appeared to be the in theory dissolvable packet with the Aldi
stuff, I just cut it off and put the tablet in the dispenser bare.
> Tim+ wrote
> I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher
dishwasher rinses the stuff in it before washing is.
> but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on
> this one,
> I am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
> dissolve before going down the drain hoses.
appeared to be the in theory dissolvable packet with the Aldi
stuff, I just cut it off and put the tablet in the dispenser bare.
charles
Apr 9, 2017, 1:04:18 PM4/9/17
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In article <ekv69c...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
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from KT24 in Surrey, England
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Diane <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote
> > Tim+ wrote
> > I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher
> Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent dishwasher rinses the stuff
> in it before washing is.
Not if it's rice. That tends to block the filter on the drain.
> Diane <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote
> > Tim+ wrote
> > I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher
> Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent dishwasher rinses the stuff
> in it before washing is.
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Mr Pounder Esquire
Apr 9, 2017, 3:09:15 PM4/9/17
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Diane wrote:
> replying to Tim+, Diane wrote:
> I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have
> drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I
> am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
> dissolve before going down the drain hoses.
This was over two years ago.
> replying to Tim+, Diane wrote:
> I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have
> drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I
> am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
> dissolve before going down the drain hoses.
Have you sorted it yet?
Rod Speed
Apr 9, 2017, 5:28:41 PM4/9/17
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The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.
Hell of a lot easier to do that than to rinse everything
that goes into the dishwasher. Stupid waste of time.
All I ever do is scrape off the biggest stuff like say
chop bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher.
tim...
Apr 10, 2017, 6:41:37 AM4/10/17
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
> trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
> models from 3 completely different manufacturers.
Really?
>
> The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
> trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
> models from 3 completely different manufacturers.
I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost identical
appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made in the same
factory with just the badge on the front being different
tim
Fredxxx
Apr 10, 2017, 7:24:56 AM4/10/17
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On 09/04/2017 17:14, Diane wrote:
> replying to Tim+, Diane wrote: I rinse everything before putting in
> the dishwasher but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up..
> I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer using Cascade Complete.
> I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going down the drain
> hoses.
>
This might assist you with posting to a newsgroup, albeit through a website:
> replying to Tim+, Diane wrote: I rinse everything before putting in
> the dishwasher but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up..
> I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer using Cascade Complete.
> I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going down the drain
> hoses.
>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
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summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context.
Rod Speed
Apr 10, 2017, 1:53:49 PM4/10/17
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"tim..." <tims_n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ekvnc5...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>
>> The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
>> trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
>> models from 3 completely different manufacturers.
> Really?
Yes, really.
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ekvnc5...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>
>> The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
>> trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
>> models from 3 completely different manufacturers.
> Really?
> I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost
> identical appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made
> in the same factory with just the badge on the front being different
Even the pocket thing in the filter is quite different with each.
All work fine with some rice in it.
tim...
Apr 11, 2017, 4:46:51 AM4/11/17
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I don't doubt it, I wasn't commenting on that part
rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
have eaten it all :-)
tim
>
rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
have eaten it all :-)
tim
>
Rod Speed
Apr 11, 2017, 5:51:40 AM4/11/17
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Obvious lie.
> rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
> have eaten it all :-)
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
> rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
> have eaten it all :-)
blackh...@sbcglobal.net
Jun 15, 2017, 11:39:00 AM6/15/17
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On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-5, Rusty wrote:
> I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
> dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
> Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
> We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
> get much "flush though".
> I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
> expelled "liquid" gets cold.
>
> Any suggestions ?
> Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?
>
> Thanks.
I know this message was a couple of years ago, but we are currently experiencing the same problem. I found this thread hoping to find ways to get it unclogged and prevent it from happening again.
> I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
> dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
> Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
> We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
> get much "flush though".
> I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
> expelled "liquid" gets cold.
>
> Any suggestions ?
> Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?
>
> Thanks.
I won't say which brand of powdered dishwasher detergent it was (except that it was a major brand), but I stopped buying it because I noticed it was clumping together, sticking to the sides of the dishwasher, and giving our dishes a powdery-film appearance.
When the dishwasher stopped draining, I opened up the filter to clean it out and found huge clumps of the dishwasher powder all caked together...substantially larger than the filter-holes themselves, meaning it clumped together inside the filter itself.
(Doubters please note, companies can change their ingredients without notice, get a one-time shipment of ingredients that are substandard or fake, and some ingredients have changed due to recent federal regulations...especially ingredients previously used to soften hard water).
Brian Reay
Jun 15, 2017, 12:19:17 PM6/15/17
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having seen the problems you can get with liquid washing fluid in
washing machines. In the past I've noticed quite a serious build up of
'gunge' in the waste. It seems, from what I've read on the net, the grey
gunge is a mix of fat (body oil), washing fluid, and hard water
deposits. Given there will be fat in dishwasher water, while the water
is softened. unless the detergent is very different, why no gunge?
Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.
alan_m
Jun 15, 2017, 2:36:04 PM6/15/17
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On 15/06/2017 17:19, Brian Reay wrote:
> Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
> machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.
>
>
Run an occasional hot wash with a full 1kg of washing soda.
> Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
> machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.
>
>
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/default.aspx?id=285047163
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Jun 15, 2017, 2:57:23 PM6/15/17
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On Thursday, 15 June 2017 19:36:04 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
> On 15/06/2017 17:19, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
> > machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.
> >
> >
>
> Run an occasional hot wash with a full 1kg of washing soda.
> https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/default.aspx?id=285047163
way excessive
> On 15/06/2017 17:19, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
> > machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.
> >
> >
>
> Run an occasional hot wash with a full 1kg of washing soda.
> https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/default.aspx?id=285047163
Brian Gaff
Jun 16, 2017, 3:56:37 AM6/16/17
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I have no dishwasher but a plumber told me some time ago that although this
detergent removes grease, the grease and the detergent can clump into what
he termed fat Burgs in sewers which are surprisingly solid, and obviously
filters and plumbing in houses have the same problem.
I've certainly not found any answer, as even hand washing greasy plates with
Fairy liquid seems to result in this congealing effect further down the
drain.
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detergent removes grease, the grease and the detergent can clump into what
he termed fat Burgs in sewers which are surprisingly solid, and obviously
filters and plumbing in houses have the same problem.
I've certainly not found any answer, as even hand washing greasy plates with
Fairy liquid seems to result in this congealing effect further down the
drain.
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John
Sep 26, 2018, 4:14:04 PM9/26/18
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replying to Rusty, John wrote:
I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease buildup.
We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
filler materials added to the detergent
I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease buildup.
We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
filler materials added to the detergent
Brian Reay
Sep 26, 2018, 5:03:49 PM9/26/18
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On 26/09/2018 22:14, John wrote:
> replying to Rusty, John wrote:
> I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease
> buildup.
> We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is
> definitely
> the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
> liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
> detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are
> the
> filler materials added to the detergent
>
Never seen it with a dishwasher but, in the past, we had problems with
> replying to Rusty, John wrote:
> I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease
> buildup.
> We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is
> definitely
> the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
> liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
> detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are
> the
> filler materials added to the detergent
>
liquid clothes detergent in a washing machine. The outlet and drain
became gunged up with a grey, chalky, paste.
Some research indicated it was a known issue- detergent residue, body
oil/fat (from clothes), hard water deposits, .... all mixed up. We don't
get it with power.
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Sep 27, 2018, 5:46:57 AM9/27/18
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On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 21:14:04 UTC+1, John wrote:
> replying to Rusty, John wrote:
> I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease buildup.
> We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
> the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
> liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
> detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
> filler materials added to the detergent
A lot of that doesn't make sense. If you have sandy deposits your drain isn't draining well enough. I'd check the machine outlet is running freely & check the waste plumbing flow & layout.
> replying to Rusty, John wrote:
> I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes it’s not grease buildup.
> We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
> the detergent. We have been using the he’ll packs but will be going back to
> liquid Same thing happened to my daughter’s house. She used powder
> detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
> filler materials added to the detergent
NT
Its Getting Late
Feb 6, 2019, 8:44:04 PM2/6/19
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replying to tabbypurr, Its Getting Late wrote:
Got the same problem here, pipes blocked, dishwasher tablets don't appear to
be fully dissolving I'd guess by what I found coming out of the pipe once I
started clearing it, yet they start dissolving in water only once we press our
finger on them, not just by being in a stream of water. Going to try
dishwasher gel next.
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/hc
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Got the same problem here, pipes blocked, dishwasher tablets don't appear to
be fully dissolving I'd guess by what I found coming out of the pipe once I
started clearing it, yet they start dissolving in water only once we press our
finger on them, not just by being in a stream of water. Going to try
dishwasher gel next.
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/hc
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/hd
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/he
wood...@gmail.com
Jul 21, 2019, 8:39:28 AM7/21/19
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Yes it is the powdered/pods that is plugging the drains
From your kitchen! What a mess! Pulled all lines and replaced! Low flow Water efficiency dishwashers and powder or powder pods! It will be liquid dishwasher liquid for us from now on!!
From your kitchen! What a mess! Pulled all lines and replaced! Low flow Water efficiency dishwashers and powder or powder pods! It will be liquid dishwasher liquid for us from now on!!
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Dec 2, 2019, 11:26:01 PM12/2/19
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I'm having this exact same issue.
White pasty cement consistency that builds up on the dishwasher drain spout.
I actually had to pick away at it with a screwdriver and it broke one of my smaller screwdrivers.
I just did a new renovation and after a week the stuff built up to the point that it clogged and my dishwasher pump couldn't push out the water.
I thought maybe it was the powder dishwasher detergent
Any help is much appreciated
White pasty cement consistency that builds up on the dishwasher drain spout.
I actually had to pick away at it with a screwdriver and it broke one of my smaller screwdrivers.
I just did a new renovation and after a week the stuff built up to the point that it clogged and my dishwasher pump couldn't push out the water.
I thought maybe it was the powder dishwasher detergent
Any help is much appreciated
Rod Speed
Dec 3, 2019, 12:19:16 AM12/3/19
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<zecevi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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that you use and the brand and model of the dishwasher.
I used Finish pellets for decades and never saw anything like that.
I now use the Aldi pellets. and see no problem. But they do vary
quite a bit with what they offer.
The only thing that I did see that was a bit unusual was that when
I used to wash the big stainless steel roasting pan in the big wall
oven for leg of lamb roasts, I used to get a light brown deposit
on the underside of the big removable stainless steel with holes
filter that’s in the bottom of the dishwasher with the Finish pellet.
That wasn’t that hard to scrub off with a scrubbing brush under
the cold water tap. That was due to me putting absolutely filthy
and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
Peeler
Dec 3, 2019, 4:28:38 AM12/3/19
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:19:04 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
> Might help if you got real radical and named the dishwasher detergent
> that you use and the brand and model of the dishwasher.
>
> I used Finish pellets for decades and never saw anything like that.
> I now use the Aldi pellets. and see no problem.
You really should swallow those to unclog all the senile shit that keeps
spouting from your senile gob all day long, senile Rodent!
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> Might help if you got real radical and named the dishwasher detergent
> that you use and the brand and model of the dishwasher.
>
> I used Finish pellets for decades and never saw anything like that.
> I now use the Aldi pellets. and see no problem.
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Vir Campestris
Dec 3, 2019, 7:48:55 AM12/3/19
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As what?
You have got salt in the dishwasher's softener haven't you?
Andy
Andy
John
Dec 3, 2019, 7:48:58 AM12/3/19
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That wasn’t that hard to scrub off with a scrubbing brush
> under the cold water tap. That was due to me putting absolutely filthy
> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>
> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
>
>
Why scrub under a cold tap? Surely a hot tap will soften the grease. I find
> under the cold water tap. That was due to me putting absolutely filthy
> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>
> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
>
>
giving the filter a spray of Flash or similar and a rinse under the hot tap
does the job. Too delecate to be scrubbed on mine.
Rod Speed
Dec 3, 2019, 11:09:33 AM12/3/19
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"John" <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> That wasn’t that hard to scrub off with a scrubbing brush
>> under the cold water tap. That was due to me putting absolutely filthy
>> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
>> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
>> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>>
>> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
>> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
>> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
> Why scrub under a cold tap? Surely a hot tap will soften the grease.
It isnt grease. It’s a sort of soft gunk that’s hard to describe
>> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
>> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
>> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>>
>> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
>> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
>> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
> Why scrub under a cold tap? Surely a hot tap will soften the grease.
and hot and cold makes no difference with it.
> I find giving the filter a spray of Flash or similar
> and a rinse under the hot tap does the job.
> Too delecate to be scrubbed on mine.
long rectangular thing with small holes in it.
Peeler
Dec 3, 2019, 11:14:39 AM12/3/19
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:09:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
03:09 already? Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, you abnormal
senile cretin? LOL
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal senile asshole's latest trollshit unread>
03:09 already? Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, you abnormal
senile cretin? LOL
John
Dec 4, 2019, 4:53:16 AM12/4/19
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in news:h4nfloF66oeU1
@mid.individual.net:
>
>
> "John" <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:XnsAB1A825E4196Etr...@81.171.92.236...
>> That wasn’t that hard to scrub off with a scrubbing brush
Mine has a cylindrical corrugated mesh below the long perforated one - it
hangs below into the pump chamber.
@mid.individual.net:
>
>
> "John" <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:XnsAB1A825E4196Etr...@81.171.92.236...
hangs below into the pump chamber.
Rod Speed
Dec 4, 2019, 4:59:15 AM12/4/19
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news:XnsAB1B649483DFAtr...@81.171.92.236...
and is stainless steal with holes in it too and is just as scrubbable.
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in news:h4nfloF66oeU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>>
>> "John" <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsAB1A825E4196Etr...@81.171.92.236...
>>> That wasn’t that hard to scrub off with a scrubbing brush
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>>
>> "John" <train....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsAB1A825E4196Etr...@81.171.92.236...
>>>> under the cold water tap. That was due to me putting absolutely filthy
>>>> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
>>>> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
>>>> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>>>>
>>>> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
>>>> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
>>>> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
>>
>>> Why scrub under a cold tap? Surely a hot tap will soften the grease.
>>
>> It isnt grease. It’s a sort of soft gunk that’s hard to describe
>> and hot and cold makes no difference with it.
>>
>>> I find giving the filter a spray of Flash or similar
>>> and a rinse under the hot tap does the job.
>>
>> Doent work with this stuff, its really stuck on.
>>
>>> Too delecate to be scrubbed on mine.
>>
>> Mine have always been a sllid stainless steel
>> long rectangular thing with small holes in it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mine has a cylindrical corrugated mesh below the long perforated one - it
> hangs below into the pump chamber.
Yeah, mine has too, but its as solid as the long perforated one
>>>> and fat coated roasting pans directly into the dishwasher. When
>>>> I stopped doing that and heated the pan and poured off the fat
>>>> before putting it into the dishwasher, that problem went away.
>>>>
>>>> Presumably you are in a hard water area. What are you doing
>>>> about salt for that in the dishwasher ? I'm in a quite soft water
>>>> area and only get a bit of salt on the shower head in a year or so.
>>
>>> Why scrub under a cold tap? Surely a hot tap will soften the grease.
>>
>> It isnt grease. It’s a sort of soft gunk that’s hard to describe
>> and hot and cold makes no difference with it.
>>
>>> I find giving the filter a spray of Flash or similar
>>> and a rinse under the hot tap does the job.
>>
>> Doent work with this stuff, its really stuck on.
>>
>>> Too delecate to be scrubbed on mine.
>>
>> Mine have always been a sllid stainless steel
>> long rectangular thing with small holes in it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mine has a cylindrical corrugated mesh below the long perforated one - it
> hangs below into the pump chamber.
and is stainless steal with holes in it too and is just as scrubbable.
Peeler
Dec 4, 2019, 6:08:15 AM12/4/19
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> Yeah, mine has too, but its as solid as the long perforated one
> and is stainless steal with holes in it too and is just as scrubbable.
It can't have as many holes in it as your "brain", senile idiot!
> and is stainless steal with holes in it too and is just as scrubbable.
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Rufus
Jun 28, 2020, 10:14:04 AM6/28/20
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replying to woody1roz, Rufus wrote:
I have just spent time today removing chunks of congealed fat from blocked
drain - look identical to pics above. Hardly ever eat meat and never pour left
over oil down sink, so certain the issue is my dishwasher tablets. Tablets
are cheaper than powder but now switching to see if it makes a difference to
drains.
I have just spent time today removing chunks of congealed fat from blocked
drain - look identical to pics above. Hardly ever eat meat and never pour left
over oil down sink, so certain the issue is my dishwasher tablets. Tablets
are cheaper than powder but now switching to see if it makes a difference to
drains.
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Jun 28, 2020, 1:01:50 PM6/28/20
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On Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:14:04 UTC+1, Rufus wrote:
> replying to woody1roz, Rufus wrote:
> I have just spent time today removing chunks of congealed fat from blocked
> drain - look identical to pics above. Hardly ever eat meat and never pour left
> over oil down sink, so certain the issue is my dishwasher tablets. Tablets
> are cheaper than powder but now switching to see if it makes a difference to
> drains.
same chemicals.
> replying to woody1roz, Rufus wrote:
> I have just spent time today removing chunks of congealed fat from blocked
> drain - look identical to pics above. Hardly ever eat meat and never pour left
> over oil down sink, so certain the issue is my dishwasher tablets. Tablets
> are cheaper than powder but now switching to see if it makes a difference to
> drains.
Zap Zenn
Nov 5, 2020, 5:25:34 AM11/5/20
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george
Jul 10, 2021, 6:01:30 PM7/10/21
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Yes it definitely will congeal into a hard solid white mass of powdered soap. I just cleaned my P traps and pipes by breaking off chunks of it with a large screwdriver. Pipes drain fine now!
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Jul 11, 2021, 10:31:14 AM7/11/21
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 22:01:27 +0000, george wrote:
> Yes it definitely will congeal into a hard solid white mass of powdered
> soap. I just cleaned my P traps and pipes by breaking off chunks of it
> with a large screwdriver. Pipes drain fine now!
6 years later and it is still clogged.
> Yes it definitely will congeal into a hard solid white mass of powdered
> soap. I just cleaned my P traps and pipes by breaking off chunks of it
> with a large screwdriver. Pipes drain fine now!
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