SDS drill - which to buy?
ch...@areti.co.uk
(and I have scanned through the Google/Deja archives and looked at
previous comments) but....
I'm going to be doing quite a bit of electrical work in the near
future which will involve quite a bit of chasing etc. and it seems to
me that an SDS drill will come in very handy. The requirements would
seem to be:-
Not incredibly heavy (most seem to be about 2.4kg).
Must have rotary stop because I want to chisel with it.
240 volts.
Is there anything else vital I have forgotten? Given the above
requirements I seem to have a choice of:-
Makita 2400
Dewalt 566K or 563K
Wickes own brand
Bosch (but which models definitely have rotary stop?)
The Dewalt 566K is the front rnner at the moment, a local DIY store
has it for £149 which is a little cheaper than ScrewFix. I've not
seen it any cheaper elsewhere. The Makita 2400 is a bit more
expensive (around £180) and doesn't seem to offer anything more, the
Wickes one is cheaper but isn't so powerful and it would cost me some
time and petrol to go to Wickes. The store which has the Dewalt will
have some Bosch 'DFR' SDS drills tomorrow which have rotary stop,
does anyone have any comment on those?
Oh, by the way, can anyone confirm that the Makita 2410 *doesn't*
have rotary stop?
The only other brand I have seen in the £150'ish area is Hitachi,
anyone have ony comments on them too?
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Dave Plowman
<ch...@areti.co.uk> wrote:
> The Dewalt 566K is the front rnner at the moment, a local DIY store
> has it for £149 which is a little cheaper than ScrewFix.
I've had one for several years and am pleased with it. That's not to say
there isn't a better newer design, though.
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Adam
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The Wickes £140-150ish model and the DeWalt are about equal in function and
build. The Wickes is a lot shorter as the motor appears to be in the
handle, which is a plus point. The Wickes (made by Kress) comes with a 2 yr
guarantee. I give it to Wickes then.
It also depends on what you want to do with the thing. Do you want to drill
5" holes in masonry for vents and boilers? Then make sure the chuck can fit
the 5" core drills. No sense in buying something because it "appears" a good
deal if it doesn't do what you want it to do. You could rent a larger drill
just to do these large holes. By the time you have spent out it was
probably cheaper to buy the right sized tool in the first place.
Nick Pitfield
ch...@areti.co.uk wrote in <9du0d8$l9m$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>:
> Is there anything else vital I have forgotten? Given the above
> requirements I seem to have a choice of:-
>
> Makita 2400
> Dewalt 566K or 563K
> Wickes own brand
> Bosch (but which models definitely have rotary stop?)
>
> The Dewalt 566K is the front rnner at the moment, a local DIY store
> has it for £149 which is a little cheaper than ScrewFix. I've not
> seen it any cheaper elsewhere. The Makita 2400 is a bit more
> expensive (around £180) and doesn't seem to offer anything more, the
> Wickes one is cheaper but isn't so powerful and it would cost me some
> time and petrol to go to Wickes. The store which has the Dewalt will
> have some Bosch 'DFR' SDS drills tomorrow which have rotary stop,
> does anyone have any comment on those?
After mucho research I ordered the DeWalt 566K from Screwfix last week -
still awaiting delivery though as Parcel Farce couldn't find my address
(which is quite frankly stunning as the house has been here 90 years, I've
been here 2 years and they delivered something else to me this week !!!).
Not a reflection on Screwfix though - except perhaps in their choice of
such an inept courier.
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Nick Pitfield (pitf...@nickpitfield.com)
Mark
says...
>
> The Wickes Ł140-150ish model and the DeWalt are about equal in function and
> build. The Wickes is a lot shorter as the motor appears to be in the
> handle, which is a plus point. The Wickes (made by Kress) comes with a 2 yr
> guarantee. I give it to Wickes then.
>
I have had the Wickes SDS for ages - I'm very pleased with it. It was a
bargain compared to the Ł50 B&D's that lasted 12-18 months before 'd
destroyed them.
I saw a selection of SDS drills at the last boot sale I went to for Ł10
each - worth a punt.
Cheers,
Mark
Adrian Murray
> has it for £149 which is a little cheaper than ScrewFix. I've not
> seen it any cheaper elsewhere.
Bought mine a couple of weeks ago for £129.99 inc. delivery from:
http://www.bmjdirect.com/user/products.asp?Submit=More&lngProductID=1009
I had problems ordering on-line but they were happy to execute the order
over the
phone at the web price. They also gave me a 20% discount on a set of 8
Makita SDS
bits.
Adrian.
ch...@areti.co.uk
>
>
> <ch...@areti.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> The Dewalt 566K is the front rnner at the moment, a local DIY store
>> seen it any cheaper elsewhere.
>
>
> http://www.bmjdirect.com/user/products.asp?Submit=More&lngProductID=1009
>
> I had problems ordering on-line but they were happy to execute the order
> over the
> phone at the web price. They also gave me a 20% discount on a set of 8
> Makita SDS
> bits.
>
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AB
sometimes three a day and my sds is in constant use had it one year no
problems at all eats through concrete and melts brickwork also has a rotary
stop.also get yourself a sds to standard chuck adapter comes in very useful.
My skil saw is also Hitachi ,as are my two 12v cordless screwdriver,one is a
combi drill,also have a Hitachi Sabre saw no problems with any of the
above,apart from the skil saw a little underpower sometimes and the guard
return spring broke.
All the other installers use Hitachi Cordless screwdrivers and all have good
things to say about them
Hope this helps
Adam
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http://www.bmjdirect.com/user/products.asp?strTerms=SDS
KRESS KR-600 PSE Pneumatic CHISEL & HAMMER DRILL
600W motor
light chiselling action
variable speed & reverse switch
SDS adaptor, chuck & carry case
£159.99
This Is identical to the Wickes models at around £140-150ish. Once again the
Wickes model has a 2 year guarantee. I don't know about the Kress version.
The DeWalt appears good vale at £130. You will have to value the extra £10
or so for the Wickes model and whether the £10 is worth the extra 1 year
guarantee. Aslo the Wickes may come with the SDS adaptor and chuck.
Michael
>Greetings,
> ...I ordered the DeWalt 566K from Screwfix last week -
> still awaiting delivery though as Parcel Farce couldn't
> find my address (which is quite frankly stunning as
> the house has been here 90 years, I've been here 2
> years and they delivered something else to me this
> week !!!). Not a reflection on Screwfix though - except
> perhaps in their choice of such an inept courier.
I would say Screwfix's delivery standards are not up to scratch.
Screwfix kept us waiting more than a week from the
placing of a faxed order to delivery.
No great problem if you plan your work weeks in advance.
It turned out to be a real mess for us though - we had
tradesmen in the house, paid by the hour, whose work
had to be stalled, mid-job, whilst Screwfix finished
its siesta.
Second gripe (it's the weather)..
Screwfix sent us a faulty cheapo power tool.
Before they would ship a replacement, they
insisted on getting the faulty one back.
That was in spite of previous orders exceeding 1000.00.
Again, a useless policy when time is of the essence.
Adam
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Don't use them again. Simple. Bad service? Go elsewhere as others are
willing to take your money and provide service.
> Again, a useless policy when time is of the essence.
Apart from screws, I can't see the point going to Screwfix. OK if you live
on Skye. I like to see and handle the product first and then walk out the
shop with it. Any problems, then take it back. B&Q warehouse are excellent
for this. Anything wrong, they just replace, and their prices are just as
competitive in most areas, except screws. I find a local hardware trade
dealer excellent for prices, better if I buy in bulk. They even refund the
difference on a partially used roll of lining paper. I let them know I have
priced up Screwfix, Jewson, T&P etc.
Adrian Murray
I'm in London).
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Lee Shepherd
>have rotary stop?
Correct, it does not have rotary stop.
I have the Makita 2400, and, despite being more expensive, prefer it to
the Dewalt 566 which I've also used.
I find the ergonomic design better than the Dewalt, and the general
build quality higher. I find this is generally the case when comparing
Makita and Dewalt. I have a number of tools from both manufacturers, and
have been split between the two for some time. However, Makita are
winning the long term test as far as I'm concerned.
Having said that, I use these tools day in, day out, and am therefore
prepared to pay that bit more for higher quality. If you intend to use
it rigorously for one project and anything else is a bonus, then go for
something like the Wickes tool.
Lee.
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Chris French
<lte...@ttfn35.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Nick Pitfield <pitf...@nickpitfield.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings,
>
>> ...I ordered the DeWalt 566K from Screwfix last week -
>> still awaiting delivery though as Parcel Farce couldn't
>> find my address
>
>I would say Screwfix's delivery standards are not up to scratch.
>
>
>Screwfix kept us waiting more than a week from the
>placing of a faxed order to delivery.
>
>No great problem if you plan your work weeks in advance.
>
>It turned out to be a real mess for us though - we had
>tradesmen in the house, paid by the hour, whose work
>had to be stalled, mid-job, whilst Screwfix finished
>its siesta.
>
Did you pay for guaranteed next day delivery though? While they normally
do deliver next day (my orders always have) the standard 'free' delivery
doesn't guarantee it, but you can pay for it (as well as before noon as
well IIRC)
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Malcolm Race
I work part time as a handyman and I am impressed with the way in which it
(and its SDS companions) drill through anything. I recently used a chisel
with rotary stop to make half brick holes in a wall and was again impressed.
My only query id thay it is only 500W, and drilling through wet brick slowed
it down somewhat. Screwfix now have a 650W Stayer (at Ł20 less) with the
same features which you might like to consider
Malcolm
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Adam
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> I bought the Ł110 Wickes tool about 3 months ago
> and am very pleased with it. I work part time as a
> handyman and I am impressed with the way in which it
> (and its SDS companions) drill through anything.
> I recently used a chisel with rotary stop to make
> half brick holes in a wall and was again impressed.
> My only query id thay it is only 500W, and drilling
> through wet brick slowed it down somewhat.
The Wickes (Kress) 600-650w model is more substantial, but about Ł30-40
more.
> Screwfix now have a 650W Stayer (at Ł20 less) with the
> same features which you might like to consider
Does this have a rotary stop? The catalogue does not state that, so I
assume it is not a rotary stop model hence the low price.
Nick Pitfield
>> Nick Pitfield <pitf...@nickpitfield.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>
>>> ...I ordered the DeWalt 566K from Screwfix last week -
>>> still awaiting delivery though as Parcel Farce couldn't find my
>>> address
Just a follow-up on this: the drill was delivered Friday - exactly 2 weeks
after ordering. I was ready to call them and cancel it when I got back from
the gym first thing in the morning, but found a Parcel Farce delivery card
in with the mail. Instead of their usual routine of taking it back to the
depot, the card said "left in green shed" !!! Now we actually have two
sheds - neither could really be described as green unless the sky is a very
funny colour (!) and it took me several minutes to realise he meant the
green house !!!
Good drill though, but I doubt I'll use Screwfix again.
ch...@areti.co.uk
>
>> Screwfix now have a 650W Stayer (at ?20 less) with the
>> same features which you might like to consider
>
> Does this have a rotary stop? The catalogue does not state that, so I
> assume it is not a rotary stop model hence the low price.
>
and, if so, it does have rotary stop. It seems to be excellent
value.
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Adam
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Worth checking out for that price, if it is a rotary stop. The price of SDS
is dropping all the time.
Adam
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> >> Screwfix now have a 650W Stayer (at ?20 less) with the
> >> same features which you might like to consider
> >
> > Does this have a rotary stop? The catalogue does not state that, so I
> > assume it is not a rotary stop model hence the low price.
>
> It appears to be the Stayer PD24 which
> is the one I have just bought
> and, if so, it does have rotary stop.
> It seems to be excellent value.
Screwfix sell the PD24, as is yours, BUT say it "does not have a rotary
stop". I called then and that was what they said. There may be versions of
the drill with and with rotary stop. Is there?
Adam
Stayer is Italian. And from their web site. It doesn't mention rotary stop,
Screwfix says it doesn't either. How come yours has it?
PD 24
Ø DRILLING CAPACITY STEEL: 13 mm
Ø DRILLING CAPACITY CONCRETE: 24 mm
Ø DRILLING CAPACITY WOOD: 30 mm
POWER INPUT: 650 W
FULL LOAD SPEED: 0÷830 RPM
FULL LOAD PERCUSSIONS: 0÷4000 BPM
REVERSIBLE/ELECTRONIC/VARIABLE
SAFETY CLUTCH
CHUCK: Ø 13 mm
CHUCK COUPLING: SDS PLUS
WEIGHT: 2,5 kg
Standard equipment
AUXILIARY HANDLE WITH DEPTH REGULATION
http://www.stayer.it/images/immaginiprodotti/percussion/PD24.jpg
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> <ch...@areti.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Adam <ad...@nosppammail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Screwfix now have a 650W Stayer (at ?20 less) with the
>> >> same features which you might like to consider
>> >
>> > Does this have a rotary stop? The catalogue does not state that, so I
>> > assume it is not a rotary stop model hence the low price.
>> >
>> It appears to be the Stayer PD24 which is the one I have just bought
>> and, if so, it does have rotary stop. It seems to be excellent
>> value.
>
> Stayer is Italian. And from their web site. It doesn't mention rotary stop,
> Screwfix says it doesn't either. How come yours has it?
>
> PD 24
>
> ? DRILLING CAPACITY CONCRETE: 24 mm
> ? DRILLING CAPACITY WOOD: 30 mm
> POWER INPUT: 650 W
> FULL LOAD SPEED: 0?830 RPM
> FULL LOAD PERCUSSIONS: 0?4000 BPM
> REVERSIBLE/ELECTRONIC/VARIABLE
> SAFETY CLUTCH
> CHUCK: ? 13 mm
> CHUCK COUPLING: SDS PLUS
> WEIGHT: 2,5 kg
>
> Standard equipment
> AUXILIARY HANDLE WITH DEPTH REGULATION
>
stop, hammer top or anything but I can assure you that the PD24 that
I have has both. The instruction book is quite confusing actually
and doesn't call these functions 'rotary stop' or 'hammer stop'. I
was completely confused by the description of the two rotary stop
modes (one with the bit locked and the other with it free) until I
actually tried it on the drill.
Maybe the Screwfix lack of mention of rotary stop is simply because
of problems understanding the instructions.
Have you actually asked Screwfix technical support about this?
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Adam
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> The Stayer web site says nothing about whether the PD24 has rotary
> stop, hammer top or anything but I can assure you that the PD24 that
> I have has both. The instruction book is quite confusing actually
> and doesn't call these functions 'rotary stop' or 'hammer stop'. I
> was completely confused by the description of the two rotary stop
> modes (one with the bit locked and the other with it free) until I
> actually tried it on the drill.
>
> Maybe the Screwfix lack of mention of rotary stop is simply because
> of problems understanding the instructions.
>
> Have you actually asked Screwfix technical support about this?
Yes! They say no. I am tending to believe you and your dealer. I rang
them up and they pulled one out of the box to look at it after I told them
about the web site. I asked if there is a PD24-1 or PD24-2 and they said not
as far as they know.
They do a good deal on a clip on interchangeable chuck SDS Bosch @ £169.
All others just screw a chuck into a chuck. The DeWalt 566K is cheaper
elsewhere.
Adam
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>
> > The Stayer web site says nothing about whether the PD24 has rotary
> > stop, hammer top or anything but I can assure you that the PD24 that
> > I have has both. The instruction book is quite confusing actually
> > and doesn't call these functions 'rotary stop' or 'hammer stop'. I
> > was completely confused by the description of the two rotary stop
> > modes (one with the bit locked and the other with it free) until I
> > actually tried it on the drill.
> >
> > Maybe the Screwfix lack of mention of rotary stop is simply because
> > of problems understanding the instructions.
> >
> > Have you actually asked Screwfix technical support about this?
>
> Yes! They say no. I am tending to believe you
> pulled one out of the box to look at it after
> I told them about the web site. I asked if there
> is a PD24-1 or PD24-2 and they said not
> as far as they know.
I rang Screwfix up again and told them of your drill and what the dealer in
Ipswich said. They still said that it did not have a rotary stop. I
mentioned the instructions and asked themmto look at one out of the box.
They said they may do, check and inform the sales people if that is the
case.
Dave Plowman
Adam <ad...@NOOSSPPAMmail.com> wrote:
> I rang Screwfix up again and told them of your drill and what the dealer
> in Ipswich said. They still said that it did not have a rotary stop. I
> mentioned the instructions and asked themmto look at one out of the box.
> They said they may do, check and inform the sales people if that is the
> case.
Bit strange a so called professional is so keen to buy bottom of the
range tools.
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Adrian Caspersz
> Hi Chris I've just changed all my hitachi stuff for dewalt mainly due to small gripes for example chuck coming lose a and bits falling out. Lack of power. I had enjoyed them as they offered a wide range but now appear to be falling behind in quality and price.
>
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