Fitting LPG gas hob
John Lowe
gas bottle using PVC covered copper pipe and attach the gas pipe to the hob
using approved gas rubber tubing held in place with Jubilee clips or such
like. At the gas cylinder end I would use similar gas rubber tubing attached
to the copper pie with a Jubilee clip and attach the regulator in a similar
way, in the style of gas feed to a caravan.
The gas cylinder will be stored in a vacant cupboard in the kitchen a few
feet from the hob.
Is this a safe/ unsafe installation and if unsafe how could it be made
"safe"? Presumably, in essence this arrangement is similar to that used by
space heaters such as Super Ser and others, in that the bottle is indoors
and the gas passes to the heater via a flexible hose and regulator.
Many thanks for any advise.
J Lowe
Dave Liquorice
> The gas cylinder will be stored in a vacant cupboard in the kitchen
> a few feet from the hob.
This bit I don't like, the storage space needs to be well ventilated
to prevent the build up of gas. LPG is heavier than air and will
"pool". Portable fires and the like are well ventilated around the
cylinder.
As for the flexable hose <> copper transition. I think you'd need some
form of nipple fitting on the copper so that the jubilee clip can be
tighten behind it to stop the hose simply pulling off. My 2p worth
what you paid for it 0p...
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Pete C
You might be able to find out from Calor or an organisation like
http://www.lpga.co.uk on whether it's deemed safe, if the kitchen
floor is below ground level it will be a no-no! And it might not count
towards the resale value of your property if potential buyers don't
like the idea of gas bottles indoors.
If you could do it you would need sufficent ventilation in the
cupboard and a gas tap by the cooker might be required. Also a gas
alarm near floor level would be a very good idea. For the connections
jubilee clips might not be the way to go but you can get ready made
tails, BES www.bes.ltd.uk have a lot of LPG stuff.
If I had a house without mains gas I might consider a domino ceramic
hob and a domino LPG hob as giving the best compromise.
cheers,
Pete.
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:56:56 -0000, "John Lowe" <jo...@johnlowe.co.uk>
wrote:
John Lowe
so I am not concerned about that.
It was more a question of overall safety of course, having the cylinder
indoors and the simple, (but effective), method of attaching the tubing to
the copper pipe. Presumably the gas rubber tubing is designed for such a
job. Obviously I would test all joins for leaks.
Thanks, John Lowe
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Peter Crosland
ventilation
> so I am not concerned about that.
> It was more a question of overall safety of course, having the cylinder
> indoors and the simple, (but effective), method of attaching the tubing to
> the copper pipe. Presumably the gas rubber tubing is designed for such a
> job. Obviously I would test all joins for leaks.
Check with your house insurers. They may well not pay out if you cannot
prove the work was done in a competent manner. That is not to say you are
not competent, but insurers may think otherwise. Likewise if you come to
sell the house the buyer's solicitors will probably want a declaration that
all work has been done to the rules and professionally checked.
Mike Mitchell
wrote:
Sorry, John, but I'm going to "piggy-back" a question on to your
question! How much does LPG heating/cooking cost? Is it tremendously
more expensive than electricity or mains gas (or oil in the case of
central heating)? I have seen a few properties advertised with LPG as
a power source and I am, shall we say, a touch dubious.
MM
Peter Crosland
John Lowe
Cost is not really the issue. It's purely down to the convenience of gas
cooking....instant heat, wok cooking, etc. A 13kg cylinder of gas is around
£9.00 and would probably last 5-6 months of cooking.
Regards, John
Mike Mitchell
wrote:
>Hi all,
Well, that's certainly not expensive. And I agree that gas is far and
away the best for cooking. I loathe electric hobs, even the so-called
"fast" ones. They just don't compare to the instantaneous heat
adjustment that gas is capable of.
However, the LPG I was referring to in adverts for properties usually
meant it was used for heating.
MM
Stephen Ford
> I would like to fit an LPG gas hob. My ...>>
I would like to point out that you will be breaking the law by
touching LPG without being a CORGI registered installer, with
competence in LPG. More importantly, your ignorance of all the
necessary safety issues puts at risk you, your family, visitors, and
people unfortunate to be within explosive range of your DIY efforts.
Remember that any accident will be processed by the HSE. They put
people in gaol and throw away the key...
Your insurance company will gladly void your insurance claim, because
they will want to know who serviced your appliances, so even if you
deny doing the work yourself, they will say, "Not serviced? So you've
been careless! Lovely - Insurance void."
Use some common sense and get someone in with the training. Not any
old CORGI man - an LPG man. Ring CORGI on 01256 372300.
I qualified in domestic natural gas last year. Yes, prior to that I
did most of my own gas. I had horrors to realise what I had been doing
wrong. Indeed I've had to re-plumb all my gas to make it safe.
HTH
Dave Liquorice
> How much does LPG heating/cooking cost?
For space heating it's not cheap. but for cooking it's better than
'lectric and not just because it's gas...
There must be sites about that compare but always check which angle
they are coming from... An LPG supplier will play down the costs of
LPG and hype those of Oil/Electric, similary an Oil supllier will play
down oil costs or electric electric costs. Also "costs" can include
advanatges/disadvantages...
Jeremy
bottles outside with an automatic changeover valve which changes
colour when one bottle runs out and automatically starts using the
other. It is all installed outside. This is the only way to go in my
opinion. I believe you need a Corgi registered fitter to install or
at least commission the installation - and the Corgi certificate is
not the same as the mains gas one. I'm pretty sure that you are only
allowed to install outside.
As for cost - I can't remember the size of our cylinders, but they are
waist height, cost about £12 + VAT each and last us about 4-8 months
for cooking for a family of 4 on a 6 burner hob. i have no experience
of central heating with LPG. We find it very economical for cooking.
The price by the way is delivered and installed - all you do is ring
them up and they come round, take the empty cylinder away, put on the
new one, reset the changeover valve and put a bill through the letter
box.
I can thoroughly recommend it.
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Tony Bryer
> I qualified in domestic natural gas last year. Yes, prior to that
> I did most of my own gas. I had horrors to realise what I had been
> doing wrong. Indeed I've had to re-plumb all my gas to make it
> safe.
Just because, by your own admission, you were a D-I-Y'er who didn't
know what you were doing does not mean that everyone who is not
qualified is incapable of doing a sound competent job or that
everyone who has a CORGI registration does.
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Mike
kyli...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> Sorry, John, but I'm going to "piggy-back" a question on to your
> question! How much does LPG heating/cooking cost? Is it tremendously
> more expensive than electricity or mains gas (or oil in the case of
> central heating)? I have seen a few properties advertised with LPG as
> a power source and I am, shall we say, a touch dubious.
>
> MM
>
Costs about £25pa for two people.
My cylinder is outside, connected through a valve to a standard Calor
rubber tube and fittings to a 15mm copper pipe in a pvc sleeve through
the wall and along the back of the kichen units to the cooker. Hob is
connected to this pipe by bayonet fittings on the end of the flexble pipe
supplied with the hob. I change the outside tube annually "just in case".
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Mike
Owain
| touching LPG without being a CORGI registered installer, with
| competence in LPG.
No he won't be, if he's competent.
| I qualified in domestic natural gas last year. Yes, prior to
| that I did most of my own gas. I had horrors to realise what I
| had been doing wrong. Indeed I've had to re-plumb all my gas
| to make it safe.
So you /were/ breaking the law, because you weren't competent.
Owain
Mike
stephe...@ntlworld.com says...
> Remember that any accident will be processed by the HSE.
>
AFAIK the HSE deals with matters pertaining to H&S in the WORKPLACE not
at home by private individuals.
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Mike
geoff
Ford <stephe...@ntlworld.com> writes
>"John Lowe" <jo...@johnlowe.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:<c3ht46$25m5b0$1...@ID-208235.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> I would like to fit an LPG gas hob. My ...>>
>
>I would like to point out that you will be breaking the law by
>touching LPG without being a CORGI registered installer, with
>competence in LPG.
I would like to point out you're talking bollocks
I hope you know more about gas fitting than you do the law
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geoff