Carriageway retexturing?

[R D S]

The road outside work is rutted and potholed. There's trucks coming past
all day and night, local residents can't sleep, you have to wonder how
much shaking a building can take before it falls down.

So a letter came from the council that a stretch was going to be
resurfaced, i'm noting from my office window that this is happening, yet
nothing has been dug up.

These people are here, http://www.jmslincoln.com/hfs.htm,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaZ-6OLKzc

Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?

I'm guessing not. An educated guess.

[R D S]

On 23/05/2019 11:18, R D S wrote:
>
> Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?
>

"Whereas hot applied thermoplastics has a typical shelf life of 18
months, JMS provide you with the solution and guarantee to more than
triple the lifespan"

7.5 years. LOL.

[Brian Reay]

There was (is?) a system we (the UK) used to build roads which was
supposedly cheaper. As I recall, they put in the 'base layers' and then
a 'top coat' (or coats). The idea was, provided the top coats were
renewed every x years (x was quite small, I think 5-10 at most) the road
would last for ever.

Needless to say, the top coats weren't replaced in many cases, so the
base layers got damaged, and the whole idea flopped. Whether it would
have worked if applied correctly is open to debate.

Certainly, I can think of (main) roads that seemed never to need repair
but weren't made of tarmac - but they were darn noisy to drive on, a
combination of the joints between the concrete (or concrete like) slabs
and the ridges on the slabs.

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[Steve Walker]

On 23/05/2019 12:03, Brian Reay wrote:
> On 23/05/2019 11:21, R D S wrote:
>> On 23/05/2019 11:18, R D S wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?
>>>
>>
>> "Whereas hot applied thermoplastics has a typical shelf life of 18
>> months, JMS provide you with the solution and guarantee to more than
>> triple the lifespan"
>>
>> 7.5 years. LOL.
>
> There was (is?) a system we (the UK) used to build roads which was
> supposedly cheaper. As I recall, they put in the 'base layers' and then
> a 'top coat' (or coats). The idea was, provided the top coats were
> renewed every x years (x was quite small, I think 5-10 at most) the road
> would last for ever.
>
> Needless to say, the top coats weren't replaced in many cases, so the
> base layers got damaged, and the whole idea flopped. Whether it would
> have worked if applied correctly is open to debate.
>
> Certainly, I can think of (main) roads that seemed never to need repair
> but weren't made of tarmac - but they were darn noisy to drive on, a
> combination of the joints between the concrete (or concrete like) slabs
> and the ridges on the slabs.

Quieter versions of concrete roads were developed, but never used. IIRC
the biggest difference was instead of the ridges, they laid the concrete
smooth and then when almost solid, they cracked the surface with an
impact machine. That created random grooves at all angles, that didn't
cause the tyres to "sing." By then though everyone was moving on to
tarmac, so we get roads that need resurfacing on a regular basis (more
regular than they actually get) and need a lot of maintenance and repair
inbetween.

SteveW

[Bill]

In message <qc5s2e$j3m$1...@dont-email.me>, R D S <rsa...@yahoo.com> writes

On a main road near us, a company is resurfacing large squares of tarmac
surface layer with blacker tarmac-like material.

They have been holding us up for days now, with traffic lights around
each area they resurface. They must have done about 20 to 30 patches so
far.

It doesn't look as if it will last, particularly at the interface
between old and new surface, and the new patches are noticeably bumpier
than the unrepaired areas.


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[R D S]

On 23/05/2019 16:20, Bill wrote:
>
> They have been holding us up for days now, with traffic lights around
> each area they resurface. They must have done about 20 to 30 patches so
> far.

To be fair this went down quickly, though it does appear that they have
simply warmed the old surface up and pressed stones into it.
Perhaps a very thin layer of something new as it's a slightly different
colour but they didn't go all the way to the edge and there's no
perceptible rise.

The building is still rattling as the trucks go past so a fail there.

[Brian Gaff]

unless you drive on it or get frosts.
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

Yes our front road was concrete when we came here in the 1950s and its just
been tarred ever since. The joints are showing through again only after a
year or so.
Then there are the gas, Electricity, virgin media bt and sundry other
assorted holes through the concrete itself of course filled with something
or other, the sign used to say, beware concrete curing, well I did not know
it was ill.

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[Brian Gaff]

I noticed a message on local radio the other day, bus stops in x y and z
will be out of commission for three days due to application of non slip
coating to the carriageway.
What? I'd hope that all roads were non slip myself.
Then there are the speed bumps which are so polished cars cannot get over
them.

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[Rod Speed]

R D S <rsa...@yahoo.com> wrote

> The road outside work is rutted and potholed. There's trucks coming past
> all day and night, local residents can't sleep, you have to wonder how
> much shaking a building can take before it falls down.

It wont be shaking the building.

> So a letter came from the council that a stretch was going to be
> resurfaced, i'm noting from my office window that this is happening, yet
> nothing has been dug up.

They mostly don’t dig anything up when resurfacing.
That’s what RESURFACE means.

> These people are here, http://www.jmslincoln.com/hfs.htm,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaZ-6OLKzc

> Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?

Depends on how you define temporary. Even digging the whole
thing up and starting again will only be temporary fix.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 May 2019 03:01:30 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> The road outside work is rutted and potholed. There's trucks coming past
>> all day and night, local residents can't sleep, you have to wonder how
>> much shaking a building can take before it falls down.
>
> It wont be shaking the building.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you abnormal senile pest?

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[ARW]

On 23/05/2019 12:03, Brian Reay wrote:

> On 23/05/2019 11:21, R D S wrote:
>> On 23/05/2019 11:18, R D S wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?
>>>
>>
>> "Whereas hot applied thermoplastics has a typical shelf life of 18
>> months, JMS provide you with the solution and guarantee to more than
>> triple the lifespan"
>>
>> 7.5 years. LOL.
>
> There was (is?) a system we (the UK) used to build roads which was
> supposedly cheaper. As I recall, they put in the 'base layers' and then
> a 'top coat' (or coats). The idea was, provided the top coats were
> renewed every x years (x was quite small, I think 5-10 at most) the road
> would last for ever.
>
> Needless to say, the top coats weren't replaced in many cases, so the
> base layers got damaged, and the whole idea flopped. Whether it would
> have worked if applied correctly is open to debate.
>
> Certainly, I can think of (main) roads that seemed never to need repair
> but weren't made of tarmac - but they were darn noisy to drive on, a
> combination of the joints between the concrete (or concrete like) slabs
> and the ridges on the slabs.
>

Have you done the SW section of the M25 recently?





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[R D S]

On 23/05/2019 18:01, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> They mostly don’t dig anything up when resurfacing.
> That’s what RESURFACE means.
>

You think?

[Rod Speed]

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I know.

[ARW]

On 23/05/2019 11:18, R D S wrote:

Well I phoned the council up last week to complain about a pothole on my
street.

And they fixed like this. Done on purpose to win a bet I made down at
the pub with one of the lads that does the work.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:Potholep.jpg

Barmaid said it will last 3 minutes.

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 May 2019 04:42:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> I know.

The ONLY thing you know is the sick senile contents of your sick senile
"mind", you abnormal 85-year-old, trolling, senile Ozzietard!

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[Steve Walker]

On 23/05/2019 16:20, Bill wrote:

I can't work out why we have such a problem. Over 30 years of holidaying
in the North of France (Brittany) I have driven along one particular
road that has dozens of large rectangular patches to the surface. They
are so smoothly joined that you don't feel anything as you go over them
and in 30 years they haven't deteriorated.

I have also driven on a brand-new road there and everyone in the car
commented on how smooth it was, with no undulations at all.

Why can't we manage even a half-decent road surface or lasting repairs here?

SteveW

[Steve Walker]

No, not been down South (other than by train) for a good few years now.
I changed jobs and stopped travelling all over the country.

SteveW

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no, he plainly doesn't

[Marland]

Do other countries regard roads in the same way as here in that they are
not just for traffic on their surface
but the function of being a convenient right of way for the various
services as well?
It seems that even if the highway is resurfaced to a good standard it isn’t
long before one of the undertakings that are allowed to dig holes do so and
the patch repairs have ruined the smoothness for a decade or more.
It wasn’t too critical in towns and cities where speeds were low but many a
good open fast road in the country has been ruined by openreach removing
cables from pole runs and placing them in ducts.

Prime example here where tree roots must have frustrated laying the conduit
a quick diversion and buggering the surface was done rather than dig deeper
on the field side.

https://goo.gl/maps/dmVE2xAki6zQCRhV6


A little further on a change from one side to the other not even done the
shortest route , why couldn’t they move it underneath rather than wreck the
road.
https://goo.gl/maps/3XDWWw9rraCCToWXA

Cheap quick job for them , years of imperfect road for the traffic that
uses it.

GH

[Marland]

Marland <geme...@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> Steve Walker <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

>
> A little further on a change from one side to the other not even done the
> shortest route , why couldn’t they move it underneath

Bloody spill chuck, should be mole underneath.

> https://goo.gl/maps/3XDWWw9rraCCToWXA

GH

[Richard]

At least he got to make a statement.
I wonder if there are there any potholes near parliament that need fixing.

[Andy Burns]

Steve Walker wrote:

> Why can't we manage even a half-decent road surface or lasting repairs
> here?

We do seem to manage it on motorways now, an overnight closure seems to
be able to do a 'perfect' strip of wearing coat about 1/4 mile long, so
over the course of a week several lanes and strips get done in an area.

Presumably that's organised by the highways agency, not done by tinpot
local councils who are one step up from "psst! want your drive doing mate"

[Davidm]

On Fri, 24 May 2019 06:34:12 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Walker wrote:
>
>> Why can't we manage even a half-decent road surface or lasting repairs
>> here?
>
>We do seem to manage it on motorways now, an overnight closure seems to
>be able to do a 'perfect' strip of wearing coat about 1/4 mile long, so
>over the course of a week several lanes and strips get done in an area.
>

But they still seem to restrict 5 miles of motorway in order to "work"
on 1/4 mile (that is when anyone is doing any work at all)!

[Lee Nowell]

Wonder if this technique would work on my tarmac drive and how cost effective it is

[Terry Casey]

In article <qc746l$8kd$1...@dont-email.me>, steve@walker-
family.me.uk says...

>
> I can't work out why we have such a problem. Over 30 years of holidaying
> in the North of France (Brittany) I have driven along one particular
> road that has dozens of large rectangular patches to the surface. They
> are so smoothly joined that you don't feel anything as you go over them
> and in 30 years they haven't deteriorated.
>

And the attitude to speed humps in this country is ridiculous.
No way can you drive at anything like the speed limit over
these obstructions, so what's the point?

Tfl say that the maximum gradient of a speed hunp or table son
a bus route should be 16:1.

This is a bus route that I used to use daily - what's the rate
of attack here?

https://goo.gl/maps/L8AN2JZEG5CfX5NW9

The leading edge rises to pavement hieight at nigh on 1:1!

I've driven a lot abroad, particularly in Belgium and I've
noticed that if the speed limit is, say, 70km/h (~42mph), you
can drive over a speed bump at 70 with no problems.

I only ever had a problem once when one gave me a bit of a
jolt, but that was my fault as I discovered the followeing day
that I'd missed the town boundary marker obscured by trees and
it was actually a 50km/h limit. I dropped my speed to 50km/h
(~30mph) and no problem.

Proof posiutive to me that, correctly implemented, they can
and do warn speeding drivers without impeding the normal
traffic flow.


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[R D S]

On 23/05/2019 19:51, ARW wrote:

> On 23/05/2019 11:18, R D S wrote:
>> The road outside work is rutted and potholed. There's trucks coming
>> past all day and night, local residents can't sleep, you have to
>> wonder how much shaking a building can take before it falls down.
>>
>> So a letter came from the council that a stretch was going to be
>> resurfaced, i'm noting from my office window that this is happening,
>> yet nothing has been dug up.
>>
>> These people are here, http://www.jmslincoln.com/hfs.htm,
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaZ-6OLKzc
>>
>> Is there any danger this will be more than a temporary fix?
>>
>> I'm guessing not. An educated guess.
>
> Well I phoned the council up last week to complain about a pothole on my
> street.
>
> And they fixed like this.

Is there only me who is seeing a weeping cock?

[R D S]

On 24/05/2019 13:42, Terry Casey wrote:
> And the attitude to speed humps in this country is ridiculous.
> No way can you drive at anything like the speed limit over
> these obstructions, so what's the point?

In the 20+ years i've lived in this choked to death town i've seen one
bit of road built (plenty bollarded off and one-wayed though).

Anyway, a potentially usable stretch of road was built recently, linking
2 areas, excitement over though when I drove down it and nearly lost my
front axle as I literally 'hit' a road table.

I slowed down at the next one to under 20mph and it was still
unbearable. The road is unusable along with one of the roads they've
connected it to as that has had the same treatment.

MOT last week. Broken front spring. Put 2 and 2 together?

[Andrew]

On 23/05/2019 19:51, ARW wrote:

Most things last 3 minutes for her, I suspect.

[ARW]

There is a section of concrete MWay there that is just a bit noisy when
doing 70MPH but when the traffic slows down to 20MPH the gaps between
the concrete section shake the van.


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[ARW]

Two week course of antibiotics was the last thing I was told about her.

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On Friday, 24 May 2019 13:42:26 UTC+1, Terry Casey wrote:

> And the attitude to speed humps in this country is ridiculous.
> No way can you drive at anything like the speed limit over
> these obstructions, so what's the point?

to annoy lawful drivers. OTOH those who don't gaff simply swerve & do double the speed limit.

> Tfl say that the maximum gradient of a speed hunp or table son
> a bus route should be 16:1.
>
> This is a bus route that I used to use daily - what's the rate
> of attack here?
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/L8AN2JZEG5CfX5NW9
>
> The leading edge rises to pavement hieight at nigh on 1:1!
>
> I've driven a lot abroad, particularly in Belgium and I've
> noticed that if the speed limit is, say, 70km/h (~42mph), you
> can drive over a speed bump at 70 with no problems.
>
> I only ever had a problem once when one gave me a bit of a
> jolt, but that was my fault as I discovered the followeing day
> that I'd missed the town boundary marker obscured by trees and
> it was actually a 50km/h limit. I dropped my speed to 50km/h
> (~30mph) and no problem.
>
> Proof posiutive to me that, correctly implemented, they can
> and do warn speeding drivers without impeding the normal
> traffic flow.

The idea was always to physically stop speeders, and inconvenience to normal drivers was the accepted price. But since it's not desired to hinder emergency vehicles they're now often designed so one can swerve & go full tilt - so speeders often do. Of course this means they no longer make much sense.


NT

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