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Uncle Peter
Jun 3, 2014, 9:55:18 AM6/3/14
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A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern brick builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
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Andrew May
Jun 3, 2014, 10:23:06 AM6/3/14
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On 03/06/2014 14:55, Uncle Peter wrote:
> A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the
> houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern
> brick builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
>
Wasn't 1983 the time after which it became mandatory for builders to
> A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the
> houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern
> brick builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
>
build insulation into the cavity wall?
harryagain
Jun 3, 2014, 11:06:10 AM6/3/14
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>A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the
>houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern brick
>builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
It will already have full or part fill cavity wall insulation fitted during
>houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern brick
>builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
construction.
A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
Robin
Jun 3, 2014, 11:19:11 AM6/3/14
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> It will already have full or part fill cavity wall insulation fitted
> during construction.
>
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
Sources please?
> during construction.
>
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
I ask as we've started to look to move. So I've been seeking info on
such questions. And the answers are anything but as clear and firm as
yours. Eg Green Deal sellers have been telling loads of people that
houses built since 1983 won't benefit from cavity wall insulation.
Seems to be utter bollocks based on both what I've seen in specific
cases and - more importan - what Consumer found in 2012[1]. Drawing on
NHBC records they estimated that over 2 million houses had been built
since 1983 with unfilled cavities. Of course that doesn't mean they are
as bad as older properties as they may have thermal blocks etc. But
speaks volumes for the integrity of so-called flagship initiatives to
improve the housing stock.
[1] http://www.consumerfutures.org.uk/files/2013/07/Filling-the-gaps.pdf
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news
Jun 3, 2014, 11:33:15 AM6/3/14
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of cavity fill (other than air). The outer wall is brick and the inner
wall is lightweight block. The cavity wall fillers seem to be filling
their boots round here. (personally I'm wary of damp problems caused by
bridging the cavity -have these really all been overcome?)
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ARW
Jun 3, 2014, 1:18:20 PM6/3/14
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Have a guess how many timber framed new builds I have worked on?
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Jun 3, 2014, 2:01:45 PM6/3/14
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On 03/06/2014 16:06, harryagain wrote:
brick facing.
JimK
Jun 3, 2014, 2:41:46 PM6/3/14
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Er.....zero?
Jim K
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Ferretygubbins
Jun 3, 2014, 2:45:26 PM6/3/14
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of the houses had filled cavity walls. Apparently the blocks used at the
time had sufficient insulation properties that extra insulation inside the
cavities wasn't needed to meet the regs. The houses on the other side of
the street were built about 4 to 5 years later and all has cavity
insulation.
We had our cavity insulated by British Gas - they did virtually the whole of
our side of the street - for 'free' about 18 months ago. It does seem to
keep the place a warmer.
Cheers
Mark
ARW
Jun 3, 2014, 3:12:20 PM6/3/14
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> Er.....zero?
>
> Jim K
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> Er.....zero?
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> Jim K
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Phil L
Jun 3, 2014, 3:35:06 PM6/3/14
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harryagain wrote:
>
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
Hmm.
>
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
I've been in the building trade since leaving school in 1981.
I've seen timber frames used three times since then, once was a small estate
of about 20 detatched at the very low end of the market in a rough area.
The only other two times I've witnessed it were on detatched single build
houses.
I must have worked on hundreds if not very close to a thousand sites and
never seen it used other than the examples mentioned above.
Uncle Peter
Jun 3, 2014, 4:50:07 PM6/3/14
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Uncle Peter
Jun 3, 2014, 4:52:01 PM6/3/14
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Jun 3, 2014, 4:55:15 PM6/3/14
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neighbour.
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dennis@home
Jun 3, 2014, 5:10:52 PM6/3/14
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On 03/06/2014 21:50, Uncle Peter wrote:
> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
> loft insulation. It's a con.
>
Have you told them to close the doors and windows when its cold?
> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
> loft insulation. It's a con.
>
Adam Funk
Jun 3, 2014, 5:26:00 PM6/3/14
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On 2014-06-03, ARW wrote:
> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
> neighbour.
They let you out after you tried to escape with the trolley of light
> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
> neighbour.
fittings, eh? ;-)
(I used to travel to London occasionally for meetings at a the offices
of an NHS psychiatric trust. My mother always congratulated me on
being let back out.)
Uncle Peter
Jun 3, 2014, 5:38:37 PM6/3/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, Ferretygubbins
>> <ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, Ferretygubbins
>> <ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Jun 3, 2014, 5:38:57 PM6/3/14
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Uncle Peter
Jun 3, 2014, 8:20:06 PM6/3/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:50:23 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <op.xgwee...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:10:52 +0100, dennis@home
>> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On 03/06/2014 21:50, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> >
>> >> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>> >> loft insulation. It's a con.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Have you told them to close the doors and windows when its cold?
>>
>> His wife is a skinflint, I would imagine they do that.
>
> If the wife is a skinflint, they they probably had the job done by some
> useless cowboys.
Freebie tax-funded government scheme, like everyone else.
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> In article <op.xgwee...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:10:52 +0100, dennis@home
>> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On 03/06/2014 21:50, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> >
>> >> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>> >> loft insulation. It's a con.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Have you told them to close the doors and windows when its cold?
>>
>> His wife is a skinflint, I would imagine they do that.
>
> useless cowboys.
Freebie tax-funded government scheme, like everyone else.
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harryagain
Jun 4, 2014, 1:57:29 AM6/4/14
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You're not expected to. You will get a reduction in your heating bill.
harryagain
Jun 4, 2014, 1:59:35 AM6/4/14
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And few modifications to wiring either.
harryagain
Jun 4, 2014, 2:02:35 AM6/4/14
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Mostly to do with speed of erection/cheapness I think.
Even extensions on existing buildings.
Robin
Jun 4, 2014, 2:19:08 AM6/4/14
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> Round here (W. Midlands) all the new houses have been timber frame.
> Mostly to do with speed of erection/cheapness I think.
>
> Even extensions on existing buildings.
While in the real world even the people who lobby for timber framed ony
> Mostly to do with speed of erection/cheapness I think.
>
> Even extensions on existing buildings.
claim about 25% of new builds in the UK (with a much bigger market share
in Scotland than rUK).
Scott M
Jun 4, 2014, 4:15:46 AM6/4/14
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harryagain wrote:
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
Forgotten some tablets again, have we?
> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
Timber frame is still relatively uncommon - there's been a few notable
ones where they cock up the location of the damp-proof membranes which
then rots the timbers...
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RJH
Jun 4, 2014, 4:43:37 AM6/4/14
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On 04/06/2014 09:15, Scott M wrote:
> harryagain wrote:
>
>> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
>> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
>
> Forgotten some tablets again, have we?
>
> Timber frame is still relatively uncommon - there's been a few notable
> ones where they cock up the location of the damp-proof membranes which
> then rots the timbers...
>
When I worked as an assistant valuation surveyor in the 80s I'm pretty
> harryagain wrote:
>
>> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
>> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
>
> Forgotten some tablets again, have we?
>
> Timber frame is still relatively uncommon - there's been a few notable
> ones where they cock up the location of the damp-proof membranes which
> then rots the timbers...
>
sure we used an industry standard caveat that protected us against any
liability in the case of timber framed homes. This effectively ruled
them out for mortgage purposes, and by extension, a construction method.
I'm very surprised to learn that 'virtually all' new homes were/are
timber framed, mid-80s on.
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Mathew Newton
Jun 4, 2014, 8:20:37 AM6/4/14
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On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 09:43:37 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
> I'm very surprised to learn that 'virtually all' new homes were/are
> timber framed, mid-80s on.
They're not. As of 2012, the proportion of timber framed new-builds sat at around 23% - rising from 15% over the previous 10 years:
> I'm very surprised to learn that 'virtually all' new homes were/are
> timber framed, mid-80s on.
http://www.structuraltimber.co.uk/information-centre/downloads/54.html?view=download
Mathew
charles
Jun 4, 2014, 7:47:07 AM6/4/14
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In article <ItidnQineuynQRPO...@bt.com>,
having see a few, locally, under construction, I wonder if "timber framed"
is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be simply big sheets
of plywood.
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is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be simply big sheets
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The Natural Philosopher
Jun 4, 2014, 8:29:48 AM6/4/14
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If kept from rain and sun.
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The Natural Philosopher
Jun 4, 2014, 8:30:37 AM6/4/14
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builds' that its not common but its not rare either.
Mathew Newton
Jun 4, 2014, 8:41:06 AM6/4/14
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On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:47:07 UTC+1, charles wrote:
> having see a few, locally, under construction, I wonder if "timber framed"
> is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be simply big sheets
> of plywood.
That's just it though - the plywood is the skin (known as sheathing) to the *timber frame* behind it.
> having see a few, locally, under construction, I wonder if "timber framed"
> is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be simply big sheets
> of plywood.
Mathew
charles
Jun 4, 2014, 8:45:49 AM6/4/14
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In article <lmn3fs$cst$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
outer is fitted after the inner wall have been built. But I still don't
think it should be called "timber framed".
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/06/14 12:47, charles wrote:
> > In article <ItidnQineuynQRPO...@bt.com>, RJH
> > <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >> On 04/06/2014 09:15, Scott M wrote:
> >>> harryagain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> >>>> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
> >>>
> >>> Forgotten some tablets again, have we?
> >>>
> >>> Timber frame is still relatively uncommon - there's been a few
> >>> notable ones where they cock up the location of the damp-proof
> >>> membranes which then rots the timbers...
> >>>
> >
> >> When I worked as an assistant valuation surveyor in the 80s I'm pretty
> >> sure we used an industry standard caveat that protected us against any
> >> liability in the case of timber framed homes. This effectively ruled
> >> them out for mortgage purposes, and by extension, a construction
> >> method.
> >
> >> I'm very surprised to learn that 'virtually all' new homes were/are
> >> timber framed, mid-80s on.
> >
> > having see a few, locally, under construction, I wonder if "timber
> > framed" is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be
> > simply big sheets of plywood.
> >
> its a perfectly valid material.
> If kept from rain and sun.
during the construction process they are exposed to both since the brick
> On 04/06/14 12:47, charles wrote:
> > In article <ItidnQineuynQRPO...@bt.com>, RJH
> > <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >> On 04/06/2014 09:15, Scott M wrote:
> >>> harryagain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A few years later, virtually all houses were/are timber frame.
> >>>> Sometimes with a brick outer leaf.
> >>>
> >>> Forgotten some tablets again, have we?
> >>>
> >>> Timber frame is still relatively uncommon - there's been a few
> >>> notable ones where they cock up the location of the damp-proof
> >>> membranes which then rots the timbers...
> >>>
> >
> >> When I worked as an assistant valuation surveyor in the 80s I'm pretty
> >> sure we used an industry standard caveat that protected us against any
> >> liability in the case of timber framed homes. This effectively ruled
> >> them out for mortgage purposes, and by extension, a construction
> >> method.
> >
> >> I'm very surprised to learn that 'virtually all' new homes were/are
> >> timber framed, mid-80s on.
> >
> > having see a few, locally, under construction, I wonder if "timber
> > framed" is the correct description. The inner skin appears to be
> > simply big sheets of plywood.
> >
> its a perfectly valid material.
> If kept from rain and sun.
outer is fitted after the inner wall have been built. But I still don't
think it should be called "timber framed".
dennis@home
Jun 4, 2014, 10:22:10 AM6/4/14
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On 04/06/2014 07:02, harryagain wrote:
> Round here (W. Midlands) all the new houses have been timber frame.
> Mostly to do with speed of erection/cheapness I think.
>
> Even extensions on existing buildings.
>
>
Rubbish, I haven't seen a single timber framed one built here in the W.
> Round here (W. Midlands) all the new houses have been timber frame.
> Mostly to do with speed of erection/cheapness I think.
>
> Even extensions on existing buildings.
>
>
Midlands in the last 25 years and they have built hundreds.
The only thing they appear to do different now is use block and beam for
the ground floors on many of the builds.
dennis@home
Jun 4, 2014, 10:26:38 AM6/4/14
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the 4x2 timbers do so in the other plane.
In common with traditional build the outer brick skin does sod all but
keep the rain out and all the load including the roof is on the inner wall.
I hate to think what happens to a timber framed house that floods.
Uncle Peter
Jun 4, 2014, 11:39:25 AM6/4/14
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>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, Ferretygubbins
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Jun 4, 2014, 11:39:25 AM6/4/14
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They have new electrical installations instead of rewires. I have worked on
hundreds of them - not one of them was timber framed.
I am supposed to do the Deptford job which is timber framed but it is 2
years behing schedule.
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hundreds of them - not one of them was timber framed.
I am supposed to do the Deptford job which is timber framed but it is 2
years behing schedule.
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Indeed, And screeded soild concrete ground floors (on top of the insulation
of course) are still common.
I wired up a new build last year that used block and beam on both the ground
and first floors as the house had a full wet UFH system installed. That was
a first for me.
BTW It was not a timber framed house:-)
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of course) are still common.
I wired up a new build last year that used block and beam on both the ground
and first floors as the house had a full wet UFH system installed. That was
a first for me.
BTW It was not a timber framed house:-)
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Peter Johnson
Jun 4, 2014, 1:48:23 PM6/4/14
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, "Ferretygubbins"
<ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>For what it is worth the side of street I live on was built in 2001 - none
>of the houses had filled cavity walls. Apparently the blocks used at the
>time had sufficient insulation properties that extra insulation inside the
>cavities wasn't needed to meet the regs.
Mine was built in 1988 when the inner wall was built with Thermalite
<ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>For what it is worth the side of street I live on was built in 2001 - none
>of the houses had filled cavity walls. Apparently the blocks used at the
>time had sufficient insulation properties that extra insulation inside the
>cavities wasn't needed to meet the regs.
(sp?) blocks to comply with the regs without having to insulate the
cavity.
>
>We had our cavity insulated by British Gas - they did virtually the whole of
>our side of the street - for 'free' about 18 months ago. It does seem to
>keep the place a warmer.
Gordon Brown paid for my 'free' insulation about a year before he left
>We had our cavity insulated by British Gas - they did virtually the whole of
>our side of the street - for 'free' about 18 months ago. It does seem to
>keep the place a warmer.
office. The house is cooler in summer as well.
Peter Johnson
Jun 4, 2014, 1:54:37 PM6/4/14
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:35:06 +0100, "Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Hmm.
>I've been in the building trade since leaving school in 1981.
>
>I've seen timber frames used three times since then, once was a small estate
>of about 20 detatched at the very low end of the market in a rough area.
>
>The only other two times I've witnessed it were on detatched single build
>houses.
>
>I must have worked on hundreds if not very close to a thousand sites and
>never seen it used other than the examples mentioned above.
>
I lived on an estate built by Wimpey in the 1980s where the houses
were timber framed with a brick skin. As the middle of a terrace it
didn't cost much to heat. From memory the plasterboard was about 2in
thick as well.
wrote:
>Hmm.
>I've been in the building trade since leaving school in 1981.
>
>I've seen timber frames used three times since then, once was a small estate
>of about 20 detatched at the very low end of the market in a rough area.
>
>The only other two times I've witnessed it were on detatched single build
>houses.
>
>I must have worked on hundreds if not very close to a thousand sites and
>never seen it used other than the examples mentioned above.
>
were timber framed with a brick skin. As the middle of a terrace it
didn't cost much to heat. From memory the plasterboard was about 2in
thick as well.
Uncle Peter
Jun 4, 2014, 3:59:15 PM6/4/14
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> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, Ferretygubbins
>>>> <ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "news" wrote in message news:0Vljv.120414$g56....@fx19.fr7...
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:26 +0100, Ferretygubbins
>>>> <ferrety...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "news" wrote in message news:0Vljv.120414$g56....@fx19.fr7...
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it is worth the side of street I live on was built in 2001 -
>>>>> none
>>>>> of the houses had filled cavity walls. Apparently the blocks used at
>>>>> the
>>>>> time had sufficient insulation properties that extra insulation inside
>>>>> the
>>>>> cavities wasn't needed to meet the regs. The houses on the other side
>>>>> of
>>>>> the street were built about 4 to 5 years later and all has cavity
>>>>> insulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had our cavity insulated by British Gas - they did virtually the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> of
>>>>> our side of the street - for 'free' about 18 months ago. It does seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep the place a warmer.
>>>>
>>>> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>>>> loft
>>>> insulation. It's a con.
>>>
>>>
>>> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
>>> neighbour.
>>
>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>
>
> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build and
> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going through the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different to 2 layers of bricks + insulation.
>>>>> none
>>>>> of the houses had filled cavity walls. Apparently the blocks used at
>>>>> the
>>>>> time had sufficient insulation properties that extra insulation inside
>>>>> the
>>>>> cavities wasn't needed to meet the regs. The houses on the other side
>>>>> of
>>>>> the street were built about 4 to 5 years later and all has cavity
>>>>> insulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had our cavity insulated by British Gas - they did virtually the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> of
>>>>> our side of the street - for 'free' about 18 months ago. It does seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep the place a warmer.
>>>>
>>>> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>>>> loft
>>>> insulation. It's a con.
>>>
>>>
>>> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
>>> neighbour.
>>
>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>
>
> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build and
> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
Now how much did it cost to install?
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Dave Liquorice
Jun 4, 2014, 6:14:55 PM6/4/14
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 01:20:06 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> If the wife is a skinflint, they they probably had the job done by
some
>> useless cowboys.
>
> Freebie tax-funded government scheme, like everyone else.
Exactly, useless cowboys. I they where any good they wouldn't be
>> If the wife is a skinflint, they they probably had the job done by
some
>> useless cowboys.
>
> Freebie tax-funded government scheme, like everyone else.
faffing about on the low fixed fee installation schemes.
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Uncle Peter
Jun 4, 2014, 6:32:18 PM6/4/14
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In effect only one layer of brick, the cavity would be ventilated.
Why don't you look at some U value tables?
The insulation would be improved by a factor of around three or four.
Astonishing such ignorance these days.
Why don't you look at some U value tables?
The insulation would be improved by a factor of around three or four.
Astonishing such ignorance these days.
harryagain
Jun 5, 2014, 1:55:10 AM6/5/14
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> In article <op.xgwee...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:10:52 +0100, dennis@home
>> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On 03/06/2014 21:50, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> >
>> >> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>> >> loft insulation. It's a con.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Have you told them to close the doors and windows when its cold?
>> > On 03/06/2014 21:50, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> >
>> >> My neighbour noticed no difference at all after cavity wall AND extra
>> >> loft insulation. It's a con.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> His wife is a skinflint, I would imagine they do that.
>
> If the wife is a skinflint, they they probably had the job done by some
> useless cowboys.
Another assumption on your part.
> If the wife is a skinflint, they they probably had the job done by some
> useless cowboys.
You're good at assuming things you have no facts about.
Uncle Peter
Jun 5, 2014, 6:40:34 AM6/5/14
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 06:53:00 +0100, harryagain <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
>>>>> neighbour.
>>>>
>>>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>>>
>>>
>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>> and
>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going through
>> the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different to 2 layers
>> of bricks + insulation.
>
>
> In effect only one layer of brick, the cavity would be ventilated.
Depends how well ventilated. It certainly won't be cooled to outside air temperature.
>>>>> neighbour.
>>>>
>>>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>>>
>>>
>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>> and
>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going through
>> the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different to 2 layers
>> of bricks + insulation.
>
>
> In effect only one layer of brick, the cavity would be ventilated.
> Why don't you look at some U value tables?
> The insulation would be improved by a factor of around three or four.
> Astonishing such ignorance these days.
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Jun 5, 2014, 6:40:52 AM6/5/14
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Nothing much. We've just had that happen here.
ARW
Jun 5, 2014, 2:57:58 PM6/5/14
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That means that it is not made out of two layers of brick.
> Now how much did it cost to install?
insulation and waited until their boss was not there and then asked them if
they did jobs on the side.
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walls.
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Jun 5, 2014, 6:36:11 PM6/5/14
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Jun 5, 2014, 6:37:12 PM6/5/14
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 19:57:58 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:55:15 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwb5...@red.lan...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No - thay just shows you have a bedroom in the same mental ward as your
>>>>> neighbour.
>>>>
>>>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>>>
>>>
>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>> and
>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going through
>> the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different to 2 layers
>> of bricks + insulation.
>
> You see that bit where I said the house was of non standard construction.
> That means that it is not made out of two layers of brick.
What is it made out of?
>>>>> neighbour.
>>>>
>>>> Ni, it shows that nobody gives a shit about a 1% heat saving.
>>>
>>>
>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>> and
>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going through
>> the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different to 2 layers
>> of bricks + insulation.
>
> You see that bit where I said the house was of non standard construction.
> That means that it is not made out of two layers of brick.
>> Now how much did it cost to install?
>
> insulation and waited until their boss was not there and then asked them if
> they did jobs on the side.
Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they started stealing or money?
> they did jobs on the side.
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Jun 6, 2014, 1:03:31 PM6/6/14
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thin apart from at the edges.
>> Now how much did it cost to install?
>
> insulation and waited until their boss was not there and then asked them
> if
> they did jobs on the side.
Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of other
people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they started stealing or
money?
I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy it would
> if
> they did jobs on the side.
Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of other
people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they started stealing or
money?
have cost mre than ￜ100
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Uncle Peter
Jun 6, 2014, 1:11:52 PM6/6/14
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>>> Now how much did it cost to install?
>>
>> insulation and waited until their boss was not there and then asked them
>> if they did jobs on the side.
>
> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of other
> people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they started stealing or
> money?
>
> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy it would
> have cost mre than £100
>> if they did jobs on the side.
>
> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of other
> people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they started stealing or
> money?
>
> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy it would
I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
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Uncle Peter
Jun 6, 2014, 1:46:32 PM6/6/14
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:15:35 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <op.xg1l1...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>> That's pretty normal isn't it? My parents' house is like that (which I think
>> is newer than my 1979 house). Dunno if they've got cavity insulation, but
>> I'm sure most of their heat goes up the fireplace chimney.
>
> Do they use the fireplace?
Every evening of a heating-related time of the year. My dad likes fire and spends quite some time building it correctly :-)
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> In article <op.xg1l1...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>> That's pretty normal isn't it? My parents' house is like that (which I think
>> is newer than my 1979 house). Dunno if they've got cavity insulation, but
>> I'm sure most of their heat goes up the fireplace chimney.
>
Every evening of a heating-related time of the year. My dad likes fire and spends quite some time building it correctly :-)
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Rick Hughes
Jun 6, 2014, 3:40:07 PM6/6/14
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On 03/06/2014 15:23, Andrew May wrote:
> On 03/06/2014 14:55, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the
>> houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern
>> brick builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
>>
> Wasn't 1983 the time after which it became mandatory for builders to
> build insulation into the cavity wall?
No ... there was a requirement for a minimum uLevel of heat loss, but
no requirement for cavity fill.
I built in 1984 and used inner & outer skin of Heatlite2 blocks - no
cavity fill.
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> On 03/06/2014 14:55, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> A cavity wall salesman stopped me in the street to ask if I knew if the
>> houses were built after 1983, apparently they can't do it to modern
>> brick builds? He didn't know any more about it, being a salesman.
>>
> Wasn't 1983 the time after which it became mandatory for builders to
> build insulation into the cavity wall?
No ... there was a requirement for a minimum uLevel of heat loss, but
no requirement for cavity fill.
I built in 1984 and used inner & outer skin of Heatlite2 blocks - no
cavity fill.
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Dave Liquorice
Jun 6, 2014, 3:53:04 PM6/6/14
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
started
>>> stealing or money?
>>
>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
it
>> would have cost mre than ú100
>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
started
>>> stealing or money?
>>
>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
it
>
> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
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dennis@home
Jun 6, 2014, 4:53:38 PM6/6/14
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On 06/06/2014 20:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>
>>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>
>>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
> started
>>>> stealing or money?
>>>
>>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
> it
>>> would have cost mre than �100
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>
>>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>
>>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
> started
>>>> stealing or money?
>>>
>>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
> it
>>
>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>
> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>
> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>
http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/home-insulation/free-insulation.html
>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>
> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>
> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>
Uncle Peter
Jun 6, 2014, 5:55:45 PM6/6/14
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 21:53:38 +0100, dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> On 06/06/2014 20:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>
>>>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>>
>>>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
>> started
>>>>> stealing or money?
>>>>
>>>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
>> it
>>>> would have cost mre than ú100
> On 06/06/2014 20:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>
>>>>> Ahhh! But why didn't you get the government to pay for it out of
>>
>>>>> other people's taxes like most do? Or was this before they
>> started
>>>>> stealing or money?
>>>>
>>>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
>> it
>>>
>>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>>
>> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
>> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>>
>> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
>> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>>
>
> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/home-insulation/free-insulation.html
Indeed, my neighbour didn't pay for it or the loft insulation and he's on a reasonable income. I don't know if it was British Gas.
>>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>>
>> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
>> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>>
>> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
>> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>>
>
> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/home-insulation/free-insulation.html
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A pessimist fears this is true.
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Jun 6, 2014, 6:45:05 PM6/6/14
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 20:03:00 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <op.xg1nn...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:15:35 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <op.xg1l1...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> That's pretty normal isn't it? My parents' house is like that (which I
>> >> think
>> >> is newer than my 1979 house). Dunno if they've got cavity insulation, but
>> >> I'm sure most of their heat goes up the fireplace chimney.
>> >
>> > Do they use the fireplace?
>>
>> Every evening of a heating-related time of the year. My dad likes fire and
>> spends quite some time building it correctly :-)
>
> Should put in a wood burner. Get much more heat and much less draughts.
He keeps talking about getting one, but they never seem to get round to doing anything until they have to. He just replaced his E reg car with a brand new one.
> If not, then at other times of year block chimney with a chimney
> balloon.
At other times of year there isn't any heat to lose!
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> In article <op.xg1nn...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:15:35 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <op.xg1l1...@red.lan>, Uncle Peter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> That's pretty normal isn't it? My parents' house is like that (which I
>> >> think
>> >> is newer than my 1979 house). Dunno if they've got cavity insulation, but
>> >> I'm sure most of their heat goes up the fireplace chimney.
>> >
>> > Do they use the fireplace?
>>
>> Every evening of a heating-related time of the year. My dad likes fire and
>> spends quite some time building it correctly :-)
>
He keeps talking about getting one, but they never seem to get round to doing anything until they have to. He just replaced his E reg car with a brand new one.
> If not, then at other times of year block chimney with a chimney
> balloon.
At other times of year there isn't any heat to lose!
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doors and windows if nowhere else.
harryagain
Jun 7, 2014, 1:41:53 AM6/7/14
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That was standard construction at one point in time.
Uncle Peter
Jun 7, 2014, 12:46:46 PM6/7/14
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>
> "ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lmqenb$nkc$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:lmp0jq$s2j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> "ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lmqenb$nkc$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:lmp0jq$s2j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>>>> and
>>>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going
>>>> through the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different
>>>> to 2 layers of bricks + insulation.
>>>
>>>
>>> In effect only one layer of brick, the cavity would be ventilated.
>>
>> There are no vents into my cavity other than the open gap at the top of
>> the walls.
>
> Well, that's one big vent. And there will be weep holes at least. Over
> doors and windows if nowhere else.
It may be a big vent, but it's not got outside air blowing directly into it, it's quite sheltered.
>>>>> and
>>>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going
>>>> through the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different
>>>> to 2 layers of bricks + insulation.
>>>
>>>
>>> In effect only one layer of brick, the cavity would be ventilated.
>>
>> There are no vents into my cavity other than the open gap at the top of
>> the walls.
>
> Well, that's one big vent. And there will be weep holes at least. Over
> doors and windows if nowhere else.
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Dave Liquorice
Jun 7, 2014, 5:47:59 PM6/7/14
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 21:53:38 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/
> home-insulation/free-insulation.html
Interesting link, lots of marketing puff, lots of "call us", bugger
all real information about the Enery Company Obligation and it's
eligibilty criteria. I detect a hook to get a "surveyor" (aka
salesman) invited into you home, being invited side steps the cold
caller regulations...
Anyway having the keywords for google led
to:
https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/helping-households-to-cut-their
-energy-bills/supporting-pages/energy-companies-obligation-eco
with a Quick guide link at the bottom.
https://www.gov.uk/energy-company-obligation
which does have real information about ECO:
<begin>
Eligibility
You must own your property or rent it privately and have the owner's
permission to do the work.
You must also get one of the following benefits:
* Pension Credit
* Child Tax Credit (and your income is £15,860 or less)
* Working Tax Credit (and your income is £15,860 or less) - plus
one
of the extra conditions below
* Income Support - plus one of the extra conditions below
* income-based Jobseeker's Allowance - plus one of the extra
conditions below
* income-related Employment and Support Allowance ? plus the
support
or work related element, or one of the extra conditions below
Extra conditions
For certain benefits, one of the following must also apply:
* you're responsible for a child under 16 (or under 20 if they're
in
education or training)
* you get Disabled Child Premium
* you get Disability Premium
* you get Pensioner Premium
* you're 60 or over (only if you get Working Tax Credit)
<end>
--
Cheers
Dave.
> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/
> home-insulation/free-insulation.html
Interesting link, lots of marketing puff, lots of "call us", bugger
all real information about the Enery Company Obligation and it's
eligibilty criteria. I detect a hook to get a "surveyor" (aka
salesman) invited into you home, being invited side steps the cold
caller regulations...
Anyway having the keywords for google led
to:
https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/helping-households-to-cut-their
-energy-bills/supporting-pages/energy-companies-obligation-eco
with a Quick guide link at the bottom.
https://www.gov.uk/energy-company-obligation
which does have real information about ECO:
<begin>
Eligibility
You must own your property or rent it privately and have the owner's
permission to do the work.
You must also get one of the following benefits:
* Pension Credit
* Child Tax Credit (and your income is £15,860 or less)
* Working Tax Credit (and your income is £15,860 or less) - plus
one
of the extra conditions below
* Income Support - plus one of the extra conditions below
* income-based Jobseeker's Allowance - plus one of the extra
conditions below
* income-related Employment and Support Allowance ? plus the
support
or work related element, or one of the extra conditions below
Extra conditions
For certain benefits, one of the following must also apply:
* you're responsible for a child under 16 (or under 20 if they're
in
education or training)
* you get Disabled Child Premium
* you get Disability Premium
* you get Pensioner Premium
* you're 60 or over (only if you get Working Tax Credit)
<end>
--
Cheers
Dave.
ARW
Jun 7, 2014, 12:55:44 PM6/7/14
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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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what does happen to the insulation after 40 years?
[2] links to
http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Insulation/Roof-and-loft-insulation
Does the stuff just stop working?
--
Adam
ARW
Jun 7, 2014, 1:37:52 PM6/7/14
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"harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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--
Adam
dennis@home
Jun 8, 2014, 9:54:48 AM6/8/14
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target.
Uncle Peter
Jun 9, 2014, 2:23:55 PM6/9/14
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:37:52 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:lmua6n$ctk$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:lmqek1$mn0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> "harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:lmua6n$ctk$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:lmqek1$mn0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xgx4g...@red.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:39:01 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xgwee...@red.lan...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> About a 20 to 25% saving in my case. The house is a non standard build
>>>>> and
>>>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going
>>>> through the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different
>>>> to 2 layers of bricks + insulation.
>>>
>>> You see that bit where I said the house was of non standard construction.
>>> That means that it is not made out of two layers of brick.
>>
>> That was standard construction at one point in time.
>
> So common that the only place I have seen it is on the estate I live on?
My parents' house is the same.
>>>>> and
>>>>> the gable end is exposed to Emley Moor.
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that enough of your lost heat was going
>>>> through the walls, and that two layers of bricks is all that different
>>>> to 2 layers of bricks + insulation.
>>>
>>> You see that bit where I said the house was of non standard construction.
>>> That means that it is not made out of two layers of brick.
>>
>> That was standard construction at one point in time.
>
> So common that the only place I have seen it is on the estate I live on?
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Uncle Peter
Jun 9, 2014, 2:24:25 PM6/9/14
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 17:55:44 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:53922a51$0$27800$c3e8da3$853b...@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 06/06/2014 20:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> started
> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:53922a51$0$27800$c3e8da3$853b...@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 06/06/2014 20:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:11:52 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not be eligible for free insulation. Even with a subsidy
>>> it
>>>>
>>>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>>>
>>> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
>>> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>>>
>>> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
>>> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>>>
>>
>> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/home-insulation/free-insulation.html
>
>
>
> That link says "Loft insulation is effective for at least 40 years.[2]". So
> what does happen to the insulation after 40 years?
>
> [2] links to
> http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Insulation/Roof-and-loft-insulation
>
> Does the stuff just stop working?
Every time you go in the loft you get bits of it stuck to your skin hair and clothes. So it escapes.
>>>> I thought everybody was eligible for free insulation?
>>>
>>> Naw you had to be a pensioner or in receipt of certain benefits or
>>> something, it certainly wasn't available for everyone.
>>>
>>> I think the rules have changed now and there is the "Green Deal", but
>>> that's a loan not a grant/subsidy.
>>>
>>
>> http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy-saving/home-insulation/free-insulation.html
>
>
>
> That link says "Loft insulation is effective for at least 40 years.[2]". So
> what does happen to the insulation after 40 years?
>
> [2] links to
> http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Insulation/Roof-and-loft-insulation
>
> Does the stuff just stop working?
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