creosoting a fence and not getting any on the concrete
Fred
When we moved in our fence was rotten so we replaced it. That was easy
enough: there were fence panels between concrete pillars. We lifted
out the old ones and slotted in some new ones.
We had featheredged boards as we were told they were longer lasting
and we preferred the look of them over the horizontal weave type that
were there before.
The other year I went to treat them with creosote substitute. I was
afraid of getting it all over the neighbour's land (I was painting
both sides) and all over the concrete posts and gravel boards, so I
lifted them out and sprayed them. Trouble was that they are a nuisance
to lift so high to get out.
This year they are looking rather pale, so I thought this meant they
needed another coat. Do they need treating every year? What a chore!
I thought I might try to treat them in situ by brush as if I spray it
will go everywhere. What is the trick to spraying: spray the middle
and them do the edges by brush?
Is it worth lifting the panel a few inches to paint the underneath?
I tried to make a start with a fat "fence" brush but I guess I loaded
it with too much and it just dripped everywhere so I swapped it for a
"normal" paintbrush. This was the kind of thing I gave up using:
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Shed-and-Fence-Brush/invt/607267
Is there an advantage to using it? Should I try again?
Sadly I've got dribbles over the gravel boards from my earlier
mistake. Is there a magic way to remove the creosote from the gravel
boards. No doubt I'll get it over the posts when I try to treat the
edges too ;(
I am using Wickes' creosote substitute.
TIA
m1ss_wh1te
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> I am using Wickes' creosote substitute.
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> TIA
And you think that's a wood preservative?
john jardine
"Fred" <fr...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote in message
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I did mine (same concrete posts and barge boards) 3 weeks ago with the
Wickes creosote. There's about 20 6'x6' panels and I've found they're
perfectly OK with a good spray every 3 years (Lidl 5L pressure sprayer) and
they've been up for 15 years now.
In the process, I've learned not to worry too much the overspray, as it's
just a 'mist' and only takes a couple of weeks for the sun to bleach out the
dye colourant. Spraying only takes 2 hours to do the lot and I wouldn't
dream of getting a brush out :)
Phil L
slide each board up a few inches as you are doing it, drape a sheet over
concrete panel and away you go.
to sheild the posts from creosote, cut a piece of thin timber, hardboard or
similar about 2 foot long and 3 or 4 inches wide, hold it against the
concrete post and run your brush down
--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008
John
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How long do they last if you don't treat them?
Phil L
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> How long do they last if you don't treat them?
IME feather edged boards last considerably longer than waney lap, maybe it's
because the grain is upright, I don't know.
I wouldn't expect any fence panels to last beyond 5 years without
treatment - they may 'look' OK, but closer inspection will often reveal
early rot, especially at the bottoms and sides - these are the parts that
stay wettest for the longest periods, being 'sealed' in where they touch the
concrete, panels rarely go in the centre, those parts dry out quickly and
have plenty of ventilation
harry
> "Phil L" <neverchec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In days of yore the wood preserver was deadly stuff. This has been
banned so no-one can tell you now. You generally find the wood is OK
but the nails & staples rust away in the end & the whole thing falls
to pieces.
harry
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> - Show quoted text -
BTW, spraying is better, you can squirt the stuff up hill and into
crevices a brush won't reach.
stuart noble
Fred
wrote:
>In days of yore the wood preserver was deadly stuff.
I'm wondering whether it still is? The creocote has these warning
letters: F, Xn: R36, R37, R38, R40, R51, R53, R65. I looked up what
they meant and found one of them means "limited evidence of a
carcinogenic effect".I wish I had worn gloves and a mask now! If there
is evidence of harm why is it still for sale? Either it is safe or it
isn't.
Fred
<stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>The same length of time IME
I'm beginning to wonder whether I am wasting my time treating the
fence. I guess we've treated it every year but perhaps only for
cosmetic reasons: it seemed lighter. Perhaps this was only a cosmetic
bleaching by the sun though and perhaps the preservative action was
unaffected? Only one neighbour regularly treats his fence and
ironically the arris rail and a couple of posts have rotten so it will
all have to be ripped out and replaced despite his care and attention.
OTOH the rest of the neighbourhood haven't done anything to their
fences in all the time we've been here (4ish years). Some look a bit
tatty but again it's cosmetic criticism rather than structural.
I looked in the Wickes booklet and see that there fences claim to be
guaranteed rot-free fro ten and in some cases, fifteen years.
Fred
<john.j...@zen.co.uk> wrote:
>I did mine (same concrete posts and barge boards) 3 weeks ago with the
>Wickes creosote. There's about 20 6'x6' panels and I've found they're
>perfectly OK with a good spray every 3 years (Lidl 5L pressure sprayer) and
>they've been up for 15 years now.
>In the process, I've learned not to worry too much the overspray, as it's
>just a 'mist' and only takes a couple of weeks for the sun to bleach out the
>dye colourant. Spraying only takes 2 hours to do the lot and I wouldn't
>dream of getting a brush out :)
Sorry for the late replies.
I bought an earlex powered sprayer some years ago. I think at the time
I had a daft idea I could paint inside the house quickly with it. I
quickly realised that was only an option if the room was completely
empty and you wanted all four walls and the ceiling the same colour!
Since then its only use has been for the fences.
I hadn't realised the over spray would fade so quickly; that's
reassuring. You're right, some of the dribbles down the gravel board
have faded already. They are nowhere near invisible but they are
certainly much lighter than when they first happened. I wonder why the
fence doesn't fade as fast? Perhaps it soaks into the wood more than
it does the concrete and I suppose there is much more of it on the
fence.
Tim Downie
Oh for heavens sake grow up. Nothing in life is simply safe or unsafe.
Tim
Fred
<timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Nothing in life is simply safe or unsafe.
Seems I upset some people, sorry. Ok, I could have phrased it better,
clearly there's a difference between drinking it, swimming in it, or
using it on your fence, but the point I was trying to make was if when
used as directed to treat fences it causes cancer, it seems wrong to
be selling it imho.
Tim Downie
Keep out of the sun then. Seriously, nearly everthing that we handle or do
carries a risk of some sort or another but people (perhaps understandably)
get things out of proportion. As a society we obsess about some miniscule
risks but are completely blind to others. For years no one worried about
seatbelts. Who would travel without one now (apart from kids on the school
run of course)?
The fact that someone has tried to quantify the risk associated with
handling creosote make it loom large in your mind. Meanwhile, you almost
certainly take much bigger avoidable risks elsewhere in your life.
Tim
tony sayer
<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> scribeth thus
>On 2010-08-24, Fred <fr...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote:
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>> Either it is safe or it isn't.
>
>being banned on specious grounds.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide
>
>
I had one of the Lady Jurnos at a local radio station really going on
this one a while ago..
Nothing they like more than a "Killer Bees fly South" scare;!.....
--
Tony Sayer